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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2017, 05:54:01 PM »
Also, doesn't the Greg Hall theory imply that Cooper had no set plan for the jump location previous to the hijacking?  The decision to go to Reno wasn't made until just prior to takeoff in Seattle, but it seemed like Hall was saying he chose to jump there all along (and fool them) because it was an easy landing.  How did he know he would be at Reno if he was requesting to go to Mexico in the first place?  Did he just change his planned jump location on the fly?

 

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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2017, 06:05:55 PM »
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I enjoyed the show, except for the Greg Hall theory and the jump. I'm assuming he thinks Tena Bar was a plant? That whole part of the show could have been used on something more important, imo.

I emailed him a while back. I can't remember his response, but he didn't seem to understand there were two different indications with the stairs..one being the oscillation, and the other the pressure bump. he wouldn't fool them jumping up and down on the stairs.
 

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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2017, 11:20:29 PM »
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Also, doesn't the Greg Hall theory imply that Cooper had no set plan for the jump location previous to the hijacking?  The decision to go to Reno wasn't made until just prior to takeoff in Seattle, but it seemed like Hall was saying he chose to jump there all along (and fool them) because it was an easy landing.  How did he know he would be at Reno if he was requesting to go to Mexico in the first place?  Did he just change his planned jump location on the fly?

good questions!  :)) :)) :))
 

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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2017, 12:09:55 AM »
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Also, doesn't the Greg Hall theory imply that Cooper had no set plan for the jump location previous to the hijacking?  The decision to go to Reno wasn't made until just prior to takeoff in Seattle, but it seemed like Hall was saying he chose to jump there all along (and fool them) because it was an easy landing.  How did he know he would be at Reno if he was requesting to go to Mexico in the first place?  Did he just change his planned jump location on the fly?

good questions!  :)) :)) :))

Great Questions!!
 

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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2017, 10:30:07 AM »
I finally got around to watching this, and I agree there was a leap (no pun intended) to a conclusion.  Even if, they could show Cooper bounced on the stairs to throw off the search area, there is nothing that shows he jumped just outside of Reno.  He could have jumped five minutes later, ten minutes later, any time.  That part of the show was pure speculation.

The most interesting part was the chemicals on the tie.  Again, we don't know someone else owned the tie at the time those chemicals got on the tie, but it gives a new place to look.

And, I thought Robert99 spoke just fine.  Why did they think he needed subtitles?   ;D
 

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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2017, 04:05:05 PM »
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I finally got around to watching this, and I agree there was a leap (no pun intended) to a conclusion.  Even if, they could show Cooper bounced on the stairs to throw off the search area, there is nothing that shows he jumped just outside of Reno.  He could have jumped five minutes later, ten minutes later, any time.  That part of the show was pure speculation.

The most interesting part was the chemicals on the tie.  Again, we don't know someone else owned the tie at the time those chemicals got on the tie, but it gives a new place to look.

And, I thought Robert99 spoke just fine.  Why did they think he needed subtitles?   ;D

agree with all.

the stairs never opened again after the stair light went off ... no physical artifacts of a jump later. Actually Hall's strongest point is a letter sent to a Reno newspaper from nearby just after the hijacking but that could have been anybody/anything/any idiot.

All I can say about this tie is Im glad its not mine and doesn't represent my life exposures to toxic and cancer causing substances! Good grief. The only thing that hasn't turned up on that death-tie is asbestos and ebola! Maybe that tie belonged to the KGB? Did Tom check it for diatoms and arsenic?  :)) >:D

Maybe Cooper was into alchemy or pottery making?  :))
 
ps*  Did Tom take any dna swabs of the tie?  Any drug tests?  Any prior epidemiological workup of the tie that's not being mentioned? It never hurts to ask -
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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2017, 05:53:46 PM »
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And, I thought Robert99 spoke just fine.  Why did they think he needed subtitles?   ;D


I'm sure 99 spoke just fine, too. But an interesting "insider's view" is that during the filming the TC crew was very concerned about the soft-spoken nature of Robert's delivery. Coupled with that was an over-arching concern for the ambient noise coming from the busy boat traffic on the Columbia during a HOT Sunday afternoon. We had to suspend filming on numerous occasions due to the noise from boat motors.

In fact, at one point we were all concerned that Robert's words were drowned out by one boat roaring past, but a sound check deemed it all okay, which I personally found surprising and considered it a relief.

Sub-titles? I haven't seen the show, yet, but I'm astonished that the TC felt the need to use them.
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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2017, 06:00:15 PM »
I posted the link...
 

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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2017, 06:13:12 PM »
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And, I thought Robert99 spoke just fine.  Why did they think he needed subtitles?   ;D


I'm sure 99 spoke just fine, too. But an interesting "insider's view" is that during the filming the TC crew was very concerned about the soft-spoken nature of Robert's delivery. Coupled with that was an over-arching concern for the ambient noise coming from the busy boat traffic on the Columbia during a HOT Sunday afternoon. We had to suspend filming on numerous occasions due to the noise from boat motors.

In fact, at one point we were all concerned that Robert's words were drowned out by one boat roaring past, but a sound check deemed it all okay, which I personally found surprising and considered it a relief.

Sub-titles? I haven't seen the show, yet, but I'm astonished that the TC felt the need to use them.

It wasn't really a sub-title, they just emphasized what he said on the screen.  It probably was a dual purpose.

There were a couple of continuity errors -- one I remember was they were doing a fast showing of images of around Portland.  One of the things they showed was a picture of the troll on an underpass.  That's in Seattle, unless Portland has one, too.

One other thing...they were showing someone dressed up as D.B. Cooper that the host pretended to steal a bag from.  He looked like Grey Cop.
 

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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2017, 06:32:37 PM »
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And, I thought Robert99 spoke just fine.  Why did they think he needed subtitles?   ;D


I'm sure 99 spoke just fine, too. But an interesting "insider's view" is that during the filming the TC crew was very concerned about the soft-spoken nature of Robert's delivery. Coupled with that was an over-arching concern for the ambient noise coming from the busy boat traffic on the Columbia during a HOT Sunday afternoon. We had to suspend filming on numerous occasions due to the noise from boat motors.

In fact, at one point we were all concerned that Robert's words were drowned out by one boat roaring past, but a sound check deemed it all okay, which I personally found surprising and considered it a relief.

Sub-titles? I haven't seen the show, yet, but I'm astonished that the TC felt the need to use them.

It wasn't really a sub-title, they just emphasized what he said on the screen.  It probably was a dual purpose.

There were a couple of continuity errors -- one I remember was they were doing a fast showing of images of around Portland.  One of the things they showed was a picture of the troll on an underpass.  That's in Seattle, unless Portland has one, too.

One other thing...they were showing someone dressed up as D.B. Cooper that the host pretended to steal a bag from.  He looked like Grey Cop.

I e-mailed both Amanda and Caylie after the show that I thought it was a good program and enjoyed it.  But after further reflection, there is one thing I am slightly disappointed about.  A duck made it a point to follow me around during my lone walks up the beach.  Unfortunately, the duck did not make it into the program.  Maybe it will turn up later in one of the out-takes. :)
 

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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2017, 07:06:30 PM »
Ah, yes, the duck!

Demand a re-shoot! Or at least a re-edit...
 

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...they were showing someone dressed up as D.B. Cooper that the host pretended to steal a bag from.  He looked like Grey Cop.


Ah, yes, Grey Cop. Josh mentioned that he had encountered The Gray One at Ariel...
 

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« Reply #42 on: January 14, 2017, 01:57:08 AM »
The McCrone data is now available on our website FYI.  Hope you guys can find something interesting in it.
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« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2017, 02:33:19 AM »
Much appreciated, Tom. Thanks.
 

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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2017, 05:04:09 AM »
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And, I thought Robert99 spoke just fine.  Why did they think he needed subtitles?   ;D


I'm sure 99 spoke just fine, too. But an interesting "insider's view" is that during the filming the TC crew was very concerned about the soft-spoken nature of Robert's delivery. Coupled with that was an over-arching concern for the ambient noise coming from the busy boat traffic on the Columbia during a HOT Sunday afternoon. We had to suspend filming on numerous occasions due to the noise from boat motors.

In fact, at one point we were all concerned that Robert's words were drowned out by one boat roaring past, but a sound check deemed it all okay, which I personally found surprising and considered it a relief.

Sub-titles? I haven't seen the show, yet, but I'm astonished that the TC felt the need to use them.

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Bruce is correct about the boat traffic noise that hot sunny day.  The noise was pretty intense at times -- really loud.  I think one of the directors even asked me a time or two to speak a little louder.  Robert was soft spoken, and I agree, it was real easy to clearly hear and understand what he was saying.  I think the Travel Channel just wanted to be sure he was going to be heard.  There was more going on behind the scenes, at that time, than you think -- way more.  It's harder than you think -- the takes, and re-takes, and more re-takes.  Lots of hard work -- crew, volunteers, Cooper people all running around in every direction all day long.  Know that the producer, directors, and Josh himself were really, really nice people -- they were some of the nicest, most gracious, accommodating people you will ever find. They bent over backwards to make us comfortable and to get it right.  They take whatever they get and make it work.  It was amazing to watch them do their thing.
 
The show took a drastic turn with the skydiving segment.  That caught me off guard, I didn't see that coming.  My first thought when I watched that part of the program, and as Georger pointed out earlier -- how does the Reno Dropzone Theory reconcile with the money find at Tina Bar?  Answer: It doesn't.  Josh Gates (who is the star of the show and everybody's boss -- he runs it all, from beginning to end) took creative license here, didn't he?  It's not reasonable for Cooper to take a Washingon state dropzone over a cushy landing north of Reno?  Hmmm....

I got a kick out of the Ariel Party shoot.  I got up to sing with that band -- they missed a few chords, no problem, it was still lots of fun.  Great crowd, great barbecue, I got to meet the Travel Channel crew that afternoon.  The auction was a kick too, I bought a painting from Dona's store.  I know you hate to hear it -- Blevins -- he was there, and he did alright.

The tie and Tom Kaye -- interesting findings -- all those rare elements -- but as I've stated before, I have very little faith in the tie evidence -- so many hands touched it, so much time passed, someone else could have owned it -- but as Mark Bennett said, it gives us something new to think about.

As Georger said, the show was done well and it was very entertaining.  I agree.  I have had friends from all over the country email, call, or facebook me and tell me they saw the show.  Renewed interest in the case just might be coming soon....

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