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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2235 on: July 09, 2019, 12:40:01 AM »
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I don't believe Cooper himself wrote those letters - if all he wanted was to get away with $200,000, better to let the feds think him dead. More likely a random, mentally ill person wrote them, and moreover (as several letters do look like they have a common source) that person was nomadic. TK being or even meeting Cooper seems like a long shot, but I could totally see him admiring Cooper's "beating the system" and writing the letters to torment the cops.
This is a good point.  We've seen posts elsewhere from "someone" who believes Cooper buried the money at Tina Bar after the John Doe charge in 1976 so the FBI would think he was dead.  That would be absolutely the opposite Cooper would be expected to do.  By that time there was probably only one agent assigned to the case, and only dealing with evidence as it came in.  Dropping money on the beach to be found would stir up a whole bunch of new activity with several agents and attract lots more attention.  Not smart.
Tena Bar, the most I make of it is the money got there somehow, wound up in the condition it did somehow, and nothing else wound up there. Cooper burying it briefly after the jump and leaving some behind by accident - may be possible, and Tina Bar has the advantage of being a marked spot in the area, not just a random clump of trees in the woods that would be hard to find again later; McCoy did hide his loot in a culvert for intended later retrieval. The more I think about it, the weirder it is that of all the places the money could have wound up in that wilderness and along that route, it wound up in a place that is publicly marked, easy to find. However, Cooper planting some years later to appear dead when they pretty much already thought he was dead and, as you say, had other fish to fry, would be poking a hornet's nest for no reason. That would be among the LEAST likely explanations, logically, of how the money wound up at TB. We don't know how the guy thought, really, so none of the explanations are impossible, right up to "Cooper taunted bear with loot, bear ate Cooper, used bills as toilet paper, some of it stuck to his butt and only dropped off at Tina Bar." Any stands I take on this case are not at TB, lol.  >:D
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2236 on: July 09, 2019, 12:58:17 AM »
It's not illogical, georger. The mail m.o., the similar wording to one letter, and the rather unusual hatred of airlines en masse, certainly to that degree, plus the bomb (whether in DB's case real or not), plus the year of his dropping off the grid, make TK interesting. That's why the idea that he took an interest in the case and may have written letters here or there himself - off grid, nobody notices if he detours to various cities - may even have thought of himself, in some muddled way, as helping Cooper by setting red herrings - is not out of the question.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2237 on: July 10, 2019, 11:44:31 AM »
Is there a detailed account of the Hahneman hijacking? I have the wikipedia article, but is there anything else? Perhaps a detailed magazine article somewhere?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2238 on: July 10, 2019, 02:09:50 PM »
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Is there a detailed account of the Hahneman hijacking? I have the wikipedia article, but is there anything else? Perhaps a detailed magazine article somewhere?
This article has some detail and names several people aboard if anyone is following up on Hahneman. He'd be a better fit for me if he hadn't used a gun, pulled the drama queen noose stuff, and been such a hothead overall, as well as being too short and having a distinguishing scar in easy view. We have it on record DBC was not a hothead - Tina's on-camera interview clearly said he was NEVER rude or cruel, including when he was impatient. Hahneman was cruel enough to not tell his blind wife he was out of prison - she had no idea where he was. Also, having been arrested in 1972, wouldn't the feds have looked HARD at him for Cooper? They wouldn't have released him and lost track of him. Apparently, they did eventually find his loot, with little comment about it other than it had been found.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login  According to this obit, he also had a scar on the back of his hand and was only 5'8". NEXT! His sons may be alive for interview.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2239 on: July 10, 2019, 04:49:22 PM »
IMHO, it's no different than McCoy with similarities. I tried to discuss it with fly but was accused of trying to discredit him? sadly, I put him in a different category now. it's getting harder and harder to discuss the case.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2240 on: July 10, 2019, 04:54:44 PM »
What airlines flew from PDX to SEA in 1971? Did they all use 727's?

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Pan Am
United

Eastern? Continental?
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2241 on: July 10, 2019, 05:42:24 PM »
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What airlines flew from PDX to SEA in 1971? Did they all use 727's?

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Pan Am
United

Eastern? Continental?

I think I can say that a 727 on the PDX to SEA leg was not the usual aircraft.  737s and DC-9 are more likely to have been the most common jet aircraft and there were probably still some propeller aircraft on the leg.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2242 on: July 11, 2019, 04:25:33 PM »
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2243 on: July 11, 2019, 04:26:30 PM »
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2244 on: July 11, 2019, 05:06:16 PM »
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Some comments about the two previous Georger posts.

The 120 MPH free-fall speed is the listed value for a skydiver in a stable spread position at sea level.  For a skydiver in a head first free-fall, the listed value is 180 MPH at sea level.  Presumably, the free-fall speed of a tumbling skydiver would be somewhere between these two values and I suspect it would be close to the 180 MPH value.

The atmosphere at Portland at the time of Cooper's jump was approximately two percent more dense than the standard atmospheric model.  This is due to above standard sea level pressure and below standard temperature at both sea level and 10,000 feet.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2245 on: July 11, 2019, 05:09:06 PM »
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What airlines flew from PDX to SEA in 1971? Did they all use 727's?

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Pan Am
United

Eastern? Continental?

I lived in Portland in 1971 and most of my life. My Ex wife worked for Hughes Air West and they flew mostly 727’s back then. I know they flew out of Portland and most of the West. I got married in Reno and flew Hughes Air West.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2246 on: July 11, 2019, 05:23:45 PM »
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Once again I see a response that mentions something I’ve been saying for a long time. I never went hunting without a compass and a altimeter and I think it’s very likely that Cooper might have brought along the same. He did bring along a bag which must have included a knife which he used to cut parachute cord. I would think he brought along some important items he’d need in his jump into darkness and wilderness perhaps. A knife, a compass, an altimeter , a flashlight, extra wool socks and perhaps some jerky ! So many post that there’s no way he’d have any clue as to his altitude but an altimeter would certainly help !
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2247 on: July 11, 2019, 06:07:04 PM »
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What airlines flew from PDX to SEA in 1971? Did they all use 727's?

NWO
Pan Am
United

Eastern? Continental?

I lived in Portland in 1971 and most of my life. My Ex wife worked for Hughes Air West and they flew mostly 727’s back then. I know they flew out of Portland and most of the West. I got married in Reno and flew Hughes Air West.

The question was related to the Portland to Seattle route.  It is unlikely that Hughes Air West, or any other airline, had more than minimal service on that route using 727s.  Economics is the reasons.  The hijacked airliner probably had a capacity of 100+ passengers but only 30+ passengers were on board which is a load factor of 30+ percent and no airliner is going to make a profit with 727s on that segment with that load factor.  And note that this was a busy Thanksgiving travel day.

The Hughes Air West, NWA, and others who flew 727s into or out of Portland probably had destinations such as San Francisco, Los Angeles, Denver, Minneapolis, or other routes that were lengthy enough and had enough passenger traffic to earn a profit.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2248 on: July 11, 2019, 06:13:30 PM »
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Once again I see a response that mentions something I’ve been saying for a long time. I never went hunting without a compass and a altimeter and I think it’s very likely that Cooper might have brought along the same. He did bring along a bag which must have included a knife which he used to cut parachute cord. I would think he brought along some important items he’d need in his jump into darkness and wilderness perhaps. A knife, a compass, an altimeter , a flashlight, extra wool socks and perhaps some jerky ! So many post that there’s no way he’d have any clue as to his altitude but an altimeter would certainly help !

A pressure altimeter (as opposed to a radar altimeter) does not provide terrain clearance.  Consequently, it would have been of little or no use to Cooper.  The knife could have been an ordinary pocket knife such as some people routinely carried.  But it would need to be very sharp since shroud lines are difficult to cut even with a knife.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2249 on: July 11, 2019, 07:01:31 PM »
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This is fantastic stuff, georger, and thank you. It really eliminates most of the question of whether an experienced jumper could have made the jump wearing loafers and in those conditions, into that terrain. Was particularly surprised when the jumper said they could have survived a jump into water.