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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2130 on: March 04, 2019, 04:02:01 AM »
Sounds about right, HK.

BTW, these were favorite phrases of Barb Dayton, according to Ron Forman, who frequently reminds me...

So, maybe they are idiosyncratic to certain kinds of guys, occupations, locales? Barb grew up as Bob in central California. Worked ranching, ships, welding, auto repair, merchant marine.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2131 on: March 04, 2019, 04:32:54 AM »
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As per the pile... Wasn't it actually "no funny stuff or I'll do the job" ?  I wanted to add that because that phrase always struck me as odd. It may be nothing but it almost sounds like something out of a movie. Or maybe something an experienced criminal would say?

maybe from an old Jimmy Cagney movie?   ;)

There are people who specialise in the 'etiology' or origins of idioms and phrases. Like 'get the show on the road'.   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2132 on: March 13, 2019, 04:44:44 PM »
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It has been mentioned/rumoured that Cooper had a scar on his hand, info that the FBI has held back..

Does anybody have any source for this?

Tosaw or Himmelsbach's book?

Are you referring to a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx?

Anyone ever hear from Prospector? He references a scar on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx.  That's a pretty specific comment.  Should records show someday that Cooper did in fact have this, I'd be curious to know how he guessed this.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2133 on: March 13, 2019, 11:34:05 PM »
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It has been mentioned/rumoured that Cooper had a scar on his hand, info that the FBI has held back..

Does anybody have any source for this?

Tosaw or Himmelsbach's book?

Are you referring to a feature on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx?

Anyone ever hear from Prospector? He references a scar on the right hand middle finger distal phalanx.  That's a pretty specific comment.  Should records show someday that Cooper did in fact have this, I'd be curious to know how he guessed this.

Could you phytsicians translate this for the rest of us common folks?

middle finger distal phalanx.  ?   what is that!?


What is distal phalanx of the finger?
The thumb and large toe do not possess a middle phalanx. The distal phalanges are the bones at the tips of the fingers or toes. The proximal, intermediate, and distal phalanges articulate with one another through interphalangeal articulations. Most common injury is the hammer or mallet blow  to the tip of the finger while holding an object such a nails or shingles.
Phalanx bone - Wikipedia

Carr said Cooper had no scars, tatoos, impediments, and no accents on his finger osteoids parallaxus febriules dominici astrum soeli? But it was a Wednesday!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2134 on: March 13, 2019, 11:50:04 PM »
Sounds like manufactured evidence....Jo Weber 101
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2135 on: March 19, 2019, 01:37:16 PM »
Just heard from Jo today. I am always glad to hear from her as she always describes rapidly declining health. She has been on deaths doorstep for decades now. More "last concerts" than Barbra Streisand. Glad she is still alive and spunky as ever.

I made a couple of jumps last Saturday over Byron CA. Warm sunny day but quite cold at 15,000 ft where I exited, 12 degrees F. My 51st year in skydiving. How did I get so old so fast?

On April 27th the DZ at Byron CA will host an "ash dive" where the cremated remains of Perry Stevens will be released in a freefall formation. Perry was my first jump instructor in 1968 and, as a Master Rigger, kept my old surplus gear safe for years.  He also packed Richard McCoy's chutes and was known by McCoy. He did a LOT for the sport. Invented a safety feature (reserve static line) that has saved hundreds of lives and is still in use today. He decided against patenting it as he wanted it widely adopted ASAP with minimal extra expense, bless his heart.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2136 on: March 19, 2019, 05:03:18 PM »
Blessings and thanks to Perry Stevens for his unconditional support of the sport.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2137 on: March 24, 2019, 12:27:22 PM »
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So far as I know the crew did not work with a linguist to clarify this matter. They could have - practically every major university had a linguistics/anthro/speech path department with technical staff and a lab at the time. So did all major intelligence services in the government ad military.

The crew would have been hearing Cooper through their own linguistic filters; Tina and Flo in particular. Flo did say she thought Cooper was of Latin descent and I wonder if there was something linguistic she thought she heard? Tina said Midwestern but of course her natural filters are Minnesotan and Philadelphia. So far as Tina is concerned DB's phonology, grammar, and any standard phrases he repeated would fall within Tina's 'Midwestern range' experience, however that is defined. A linguist working with the girls would have tried to define exactly what their standard filters were, or were not (and that would be easy to do). There is nothing to indicate the FBI spent any time investigating these matters, with Tina or Flo.  So, once again we are left to making suppositions without any hard data.       

Imagine having some detailed linguistics data about Cooper AND having Tom's particle list also! That would define time-based search areas.

Although I cannot say for certain that being a stewardess 50 years ago was not a lesson in accents, I can tell you that at age 20 the list if identifiable North American Regional accents for any American I have known can be summed up as 1) Bugs Bunny, 2) Foghorn Leghorn, 3) everybody else. If Mel Blanc didn't do the accent, you weren't learning it.

Sure, if you encountered a Southerner, you knew it. Sure, if you encountered a native of New York City, you knew it.  How many 22 year olds would hear someone from Toronto and know it? How many would hear California and know it?

Further, how many travelers use their neighborhood accents versus how many speak the way they were taught in school? Would they ask for a hoagie in Portland, or would they just say "sandwich?"

I think the "no accent" lead is no lead at all except in eliminating the deep south and the rest if the former British Empire as a place where Cooper grew up. Everything else on the continent is fair game.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2138 on: March 24, 2019, 04:50:33 PM »
Give me a call, SureLock, and tell me where I'm from. Then, I guess yours!

Email me at brucesmith AT rainierconnect Dot com and I'll give you the number. Or should I say, numbah.....

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2139 on: March 24, 2019, 05:49:31 PM »
no particular accent, possibly from the mid west.

That is different from a "southerner" or someone from New York or even Canada. still an accent.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2140 on: March 24, 2019, 07:59:09 PM »
Exactly.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2141 on: March 24, 2019, 08:03:19 PM »
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no particular accent, possibly from the mid west.

That is different from a "southerner" or someone from New York or even Canada. still an accent.

No particular accent is still an accent. Got it. I'll add that to Steve Buscemi's description ("just funny-lookin'...in a general kinda way) in Fargo.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2142 on: March 24, 2019, 08:08:49 PM »
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Give me a call, SureLock, and tell me where I'm from. Then, I guess yours!

Email me at brucesmith AT rainierconnect Dot com and I'll give you the number. Or should I say, numbah.....

Smile.

I could tell where you were from when you quoted the FBI of having said of Cooper: "He picked a lousy parachuuuute..." on "Case Closed." "This was REALLY top, top secret stuff!" Gave you away, too. I don't expect everybody gets it, though. Bugs Bunny is said to have a Flatbush accent, but things change in 75 years.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2143 on: March 24, 2019, 09:44:08 PM »
My father had a true Flatbush accent, since he grew up on Avenue I and McDonald Ave, and pronounced things in the traditional manner. Hence, "motor earl," whereas I pronounce the lubricant, since I was born 25 miles to the east in the "burbs," as "motor oyal." Slightly more elite-ish, I think, or at least less working-class-ish.

You?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2144 on: March 29, 2019, 08:24:24 AM »
Bruce: Do you know what companies manufactured the GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar) and the facial recognition software used in the Travel Channel doc on DB Cooper?  I want to make sure I don't buy any of their stock.  Great to see you on the show. :chr2:
 
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