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« Reply #3660 on: November 10, 2020, 11:24:29 PM »
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Shutter,

A new poster on DropZone has made his first post and it is a picture of a 727 simulator.  This brings up a question which you may be able to answer based on your home simulator experience.

Could Cooper have gained his knowledge, at least what he got correctly, about 727s from an 727 simulator?  Or even a Microsoft type simulation of the 727?

No.   ;)     Very doubtful Cooper was a 727 pilot ...
 

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« Reply #3661 on: November 10, 2020, 11:28:52 PM »
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I read that way differently. It reads to me as if the author (whichever SA at the time) had yet to release the yellow map; which was true at the time (as far as I know). Carr didn't release the yellow map until 2007 or 2008 right?

I read it saying the Martians got here before the Venusians ?
 
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« Reply #3662 on: November 11, 2020, 01:33:54 AM »
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I read that way differently. It reads to me as if the author (whichever SA at the time) had yet to release the yellow map; which was true at the time (as far as I know). Carr didn't release the yellow map until 2007 or 2008 right?

You need to read that statement again.  If the FBI had every thing that the FAA, USAF, and NWA produced on the flight path, they would have a chain of custody for those items since they were being considered evidence.  The reason Carr posted the yellow map on DropZone is because the FBI agents then on the case could not determine where it came from.  There was no chain of custody information.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3663 on: November 11, 2020, 07:29:23 AM »
How do you know Carr's motivation for releasing the map?
 

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« Reply #3664 on: November 11, 2020, 08:52:15 AM »
Documents have been shown over and over about the map and where it came from?
 

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« Reply #3665 on: November 11, 2020, 01:50:42 PM »
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I read that way differently. It reads to me as if the author (whichever SA at the time) had yet to release the yellow map; which was true at the time (as far as I know). Carr didn't release the yellow map until 2007 or 2008 right?

You need to read that statement again.  If the FBI had every thing that the FAA, USAF, and NWA produced on the flight path, they would have a chain of custody for those items since they were being considered evidence.  The reason Carr posted the yellow map on DropZone is because the FBI agents then on the case could not determine where it came from.  There was no chain of custody information.

Genealogists and record searchers recover the past!   ;)  Carr not knowing how the fp maps came together 40+ years after the fact, and by whom ... means nothing!  Historical reality usually has to be assembled from many sources ...
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« Reply #3666 on: November 11, 2020, 05:51:48 PM »
Do you or anyone else here believe there is anything to what Bruce mentioned in his speech on YouTube, the Overview, about the pilot delibertely dropping him in the Colombia River?  Or do you think they have absolute evience that he jumped farther to the East?
 

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« Reply #3667 on: November 11, 2020, 05:56:50 PM »
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Do you or anyone else here believe there is anything to what Bruce mentioned in his speech on YouTube, the Overview, about the pilot delibertely dropping him in the Colombia River?  Or do you think they have absolute evience that he jumped farther to the East?

The pilots could not see the ground due to an overcast (undercast?) and two additional cloud layers below them.  However, when the airliner was bypassing Portland on the west side, it flew almost straight down the middle of the Columbia River for about 10 miles.  The Columbia River runs from the south to the north in the Tina Bar area (actually it is about 2 degrees east of north).
 

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« Reply #3668 on: November 11, 2020, 06:09:00 PM »
Ill take that as an "I do not know?"   And Bruce said the pilot kept changing his story.  Another beauty to go with the Keystone cops that first investigated this mess.  The FBI drops it, but they still think they will find the Anglin Bros and Frank Morris
 

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« Reply #3669 on: November 11, 2020, 10:26:21 PM »
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Ill take that as an "I do not know?"   And Bruce said the pilot kept changing his story.  Another beauty to go with the Keystone cops that first investigated this mess.  The FBI drops it, but they still think they will find the Anglin Bros and Frank Morris

DBfan57,

I'll take your reply as "you don't know what in hell you are talking about".
 

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« Reply #3670 on: November 12, 2020, 12:25:06 PM »
OK Mr Know it all, do you think he landed in the River?  Based on your other post?
 

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« Reply #3671 on: November 12, 2020, 12:29:18 PM »
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The FBI drops it, but they still think they will find the Anglin Bros and Frank Morris

As mentioned in a previous post the FBI handed over the Alcatraz case to the US Marshal's in the late 70's. one agent is pursuing the case on his own time. these old cases don't have the value they had back in the day vs what they do today.
 

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« Reply #3672 on: November 12, 2020, 12:33:59 PM »
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OK Mr Know it all, do you think he landed in the River?  Based on your other post?


Have you read up on the findings Tom Kaye made in reference to diatoms?
 

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« Reply #3673 on: November 12, 2020, 01:04:09 PM »
No, I just listened to the "numerical money expert".  He is no authority on the Cooper case as he admits.  Ill respond on the other thread
 

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« Reply #3674 on: November 12, 2020, 03:51:14 PM »
I post on topic!   :rofl:

Recognition of Bohan Continental flight ... better late than never! 1977 .    ;D