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Re: Lepsy. Candidate?
« Reply #300 on: July 16, 2016, 11:57:56 AM »
The bottom line appears to be the FBI holds back enough information to root out a lot of the known suspects. Eng stated, no matter how good the report looks, it's nothing without real evidence. that's not his direct quote, but close enough. Jo has done so much damage. it's one of the reason they are throwing in the towel. The FBI has not expanded to the size it is now by listening to people state that there friends all said he was Cooper, or was missing that weekend...."no credible leads" is very telling IMHO.
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Re: Lepsy. Candidate?
« Reply #301 on: July 16, 2016, 12:03:52 PM »
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the correct approach would be to ask instead, "what qualifies him as being a candidate". Other than being a missing person, I don't see much else.

He does fit the physical description (height, build, eye color, hair color, from the mid-west, etc.).  90% of the suspects presented don't even make it past that.  He resembles the composite sketch based on the opinion of someone who sat next to Cooper for hours, taking note of his physical appearance. 

People have been taking the  ;)"correct" ;) approach for 45 years now.  How's that workin out for ya?    O0    O0    O0

Point taken. I was talking more about the fact that there is nothing known about Lepsy that suggests that he would have had the knowledge in certain areas that he would require. Granted, perhaps he could have found this knowledge in the two years between his disappearance and the hijacking. The Lepsy mystery is intriguing, for sure. I'd like to know what became of him and I'd love to see his family get that closure as well. But I personally do not consider him to be a strong Cooper suspect. But, I guess all of the strong suspects have been ruled out.....

I totally get what you are saying.  I guess I can't figure out who a "strong suspect" is.  90% of the suspects presented don't even make it past Agent Carr's description test.  For 45 years this has been one of the most popular and researched unsolved mysteries in the country.  If there were any connection to anyone, we would have heard about it by now.  Maybe this mystery is unsolved because somebody with zero known connections (Ninja CIA parachute training, Aerospace engineer, etc.) commented the skyjacking.  But this someone has to fit the basic physical description given by the stewardesses. 

That being said, nobody has answered the question "what reason would be given to disqualify Richard Lepsy from candidacy as the the 'one'?"

And please let us know who the "strong suspects" are.

That raises a real open ended question.

Who can we disqualify?

Kenny Christiansen, Duane Weber, Barb Dayton, LD Cooper, Mel Wilson, Sheridan Peterson, etc. -- just like Dick Lepsy, none of them can be disqualified either, because nobody can prove they were somewhere else.

That's why you can't look from that side.  If you go by process of elimination, you can't eliminate enough suspects.

You can't be a strong suspect unless something connects him (or her?) to the crime.

That's dodging the question, not answering it.   O0

I'm having a hard time agreeing with your point of view.  Of the suspects you mention, only D-Web and Lepsy fit the basic physical description provided by the stewardesses.  The rest can be eliminated simply by comparing them to eyewitness descriptions.  I'm not in the "wig, platform loafers, colored contacts" crowd so I think its a decent description.    :))

The FBI has looked at all the suspects you mentioned above (except Lepsy. Maybe? :-\) and said "No".  They have information we do not have.  That's a pretty good reason to eliminate a suspect.  This idea that if you look at Lepsy it opens the door to everybody is ludicrous.  It opens the door to looking at suspects who fit Cooper's basic description.  There are very few people who match.  And even fewer that are missing persons. Bald headed blue eye guys need not apply.    C:-)
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Re: Lepsy. Candidate?
« Reply #302 on: July 16, 2016, 12:10:17 PM »
Wow, we almost explained the same thing  O0 O0 O0

The FBI will also look at all files, or reports give to them, and determine whether any credible value is contained in the documents.
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the correct approach would be to ask instead, "what qualifies him as being a candidate". Other than being a missing person, I don't see much else.

He does fit the physical description (height, build, eye color, hair color, from the mid-west, etc.).  90% of the suspects presented don't even make it past that.  He resembles the composite sketch based on the opinion of someone who sat next to Cooper for hours, taking note of his physical appearance. 

People have been taking the  ;)"correct" ;) approach for 45 years now.  How's that workin out for ya?    O0    O0    O0

Point taken. I was talking more about the fact that there is nothing known about Lepsy that suggests that he would have had the knowledge in certain areas that he would require. Granted, perhaps he could have found this knowledge in the two years between his disappearance and the hijacking. The Lepsy mystery is intriguing, for sure. I'd like to know what became of him and I'd love to see his family get that closure as well. But I personally do not consider him to be a strong Cooper suspect. But, I guess all of the strong suspects have been ruled out.....

I totally get what you are saying.  I guess I can't figure out who a "strong suspect" is.  90% of the suspects presented don't even make it past Agent Carr's description test.  For 45 years this has been one of the most popular and researched unsolved mysteries in the country.  If there were any connection to anyone, we would have heard about it by now.  Maybe this mystery is unsolved because somebody with zero known connections (Ninja CIA parachute training, Aerospace engineer, etc.) commented the skyjacking.  But this someone has to fit the basic physical description given by the stewardesses. 

That being said, nobody has answered the question "what reason would be given to disqualify Richard Lepsy from candidacy as the the 'one'?"

And please let us know who the "strong suspects" are.

That raises a real open ended question.

Who can we disqualify?

Kenny Christiansen, Duane Weber, Barb Dayton, LD Cooper, Mel Wilson, Sheridan Peterson, etc. -- just like Dick Lepsy, none of them can be disqualified either, because nobody can prove they were somewhere else.

That's why you can't look from that side.  If you go by process of elimination, you can't eliminate enough suspects.

You can't be a strong suspect unless something connects him (or her?) to the crime.

That's dodging the question, not answering it.   O0

I'm having a hard time agreeing with your point of view.  Of the suspects you mention, only D-Web and Lepsy fit the basic physical description provided by the stewardesses.  The rest can be eliminated simply by comparing them to eyewitness descriptions.  I'm not in the "wig, platform loafers, colored contacts" crowd so I think its a decent description.    :))

The FBI has looked at all the suspects you mentioned above (except Lepsy. Maybe? :-\) and said "No".  They have information we do not have.  That's a pretty good reason to eliminate a suspect.  This idea that if you look at Lepsy it opens the door to everybody is ludicrous.  It opens the door to looking at suspects who fit Cooper's basic description.  There are very few people who match.  And even fewer that are missing persons. Bald headed blue eye guys need not apply.    C:-)

I have a hard time with Lepsy matching the description.  I know the last pictures are a couple of years old, but he just looks way too young.   He has a baby face, and my first thought was he looked even younger than his age, not older.  I don't think his complexion matches either.

It is possible it could be Lepsy.  But, really all you have is he's a missing person and he was missing for more than two years.  My point was you are promoting his a suspect because he can't be disqualified.  I think the other suspects are unlikely, but they aren't officially disqualified either.
 

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Re: Lepsy. Candidate?
« Reply #304 on: July 17, 2016, 10:37:07 PM »
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the correct approach would be to ask instead, "what qualifies him as being a candidate". Other than being a missing person, I don't see much else.

He does fit the physical description (height, build, eye color, hair color, from the mid-west, etc.).  90% of the suspects presented don't even make it past that.  He resembles the composite sketch based on the opinion of someone who sat next to Cooper for hours, taking note of his physical appearance. 

People have been taking the  ;)"correct" ;) approach for 45 years now.  How's that workin out for ya?    O0    O0    O0

Point taken. I was talking more about the fact that there is nothing known about Lepsy that suggests that he would have had the knowledge in certain areas that he would require. Granted, perhaps he could have found this knowledge in the two years between his disappearance and the hijacking. The Lepsy mystery is intriguing, for sure. I'd like to know what became of him and I'd love to see his family get that closure as well. But I personally do not consider him to be a strong Cooper suspect. But, I guess all of the strong suspects have been ruled out.....

I totally get what you are saying.  I guess I can't figure out who a "strong suspect" is.  90% of the suspects presented don't even make it past Agent Carr's description test.  For 45 years this has been one of the most popular and researched unsolved mysteries in the country.  If there were any connection to anyone, we would have heard about it by now.  Maybe this mystery is unsolved because somebody with zero known connections (Ninja CIA parachute training, Aerospace engineer, etc.) commented the skyjacking.  But this someone has to fit the basic physical description given by the stewardesses. 

That being said, nobody has answered the question "what reason would be given to disqualify Richard Lepsy from candidacy as the the 'one'?"

And please let us know who the "strong suspects" are.

That raises a real open ended question.

Who can we disqualify?

Kenny Christiansen, Duane Weber, Barb Dayton, LD Cooper, Mel Wilson, Sheridan Peterson, etc. -- just like Dick Lepsy, none of them can be disqualified either, because nobody can prove they were somewhere else.

That's why you can't look from that side.  If you go by process of elimination, you can't eliminate enough suspects.

You can't be a strong suspect unless something connects him (or her?) to the crime.

That's dodging the question, not answering it.   O0

I'm having a hard time agreeing with your point of view.  Of the suspects you mention, only D-Web and Lepsy fit the basic physical description provided by the stewardesses.  The rest can be eliminated simply by comparing them to eyewitness descriptions.  I'm not in the "wig, platform loafers, colored contacts" crowd so I think its a decent description.    :))

The FBI has looked at all the suspects you mentioned above (except Lepsy. Maybe? :-\) and said "No".  They have information we do not have.  That's a pretty good reason to eliminate a suspect.  This idea that if you look at Lepsy it opens the door to everybody is ludicrous.  It opens the door to looking at suspects who fit Cooper's basic description.  There are very few people who match.  And even fewer that are missing persons. Bald headed blue eye guys need not apply.    C:-)


My point was you are promoting his a suspect because he can't be disqualified. 



That's a ridiculous statement, Mark.  I've been clear from the beginning that I brought forth information Robert Richard Lepsy because he's a missing person who hasn't been seen since the skyjacking and fits the physical description and resembles the sketch.  It's sleuthing 101 that if Cooper did not survive the jump, then that's the type of person we should look for.  I thought it be a welcomed break from chasing blue eyed suspects that the FBI isn't interested in.  I guess I was wrong.   C:-)

People bring up the point that there's nothing connecting him to the crime, but there's nothing connecting anybody to the crime.  No twenties, no parachute, nothing.  If there is a suspect with any type of real evidence, then please share.  We would love to know.    ::)

By the way, you still didn't answer jontaylor's question.    O0   O0    O0   Nice try though.
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Re: Lepsy. Candidate?
« Reply #305 on: July 17, 2016, 11:39:52 PM »
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the correct approach would be to ask instead, "what qualifies him as being a candidate". Other than being a missing person, I don't see much else.

He does fit the physical description (height, build, eye color, hair color, from the mid-west, etc.).  90% of the suspects presented don't even make it past that.  He resembles the composite sketch based on the opinion of someone who sat next to Cooper for hours, taking note of his physical appearance. 

People have been taking the  ;)"correct" ;) approach for 45 years now.  How's that workin out for ya?    O0    O0    O0

Point taken. I was talking more about the fact that there is nothing known about Lepsy that suggests that he would have had the knowledge in certain areas that he would require. Granted, perhaps he could have found this knowledge in the two years between his disappearance and the hijacking. The Lepsy mystery is intriguing, for sure. I'd like to know what became of him and I'd love to see his family get that closure as well. But I personally do not consider him to be a strong Cooper suspect. But, I guess all of the strong suspects have been ruled out.....

I totally get what you are saying.  I guess I can't figure out who a "strong suspect" is.  90% of the suspects presented don't even make it past Agent Carr's description test.  For 45 years this has been one of the most popular and researched unsolved mysteries in the country.  If there were any connection to anyone, we would have heard about it by now.  Maybe this mystery is unsolved because somebody with zero known connections (Ninja CIA parachute training, Aerospace engineer, etc.) commented the skyjacking.  But this someone has to fit the basic physical description given by the stewardesses. 

That being said, nobody has answered the question "what reason would be given to disqualify Richard Lepsy from candidacy as the the 'one'?"

And please let us know who the "strong suspects" are.

That raises a real open ended question.

Who can we disqualify?

Kenny Christiansen, Duane Weber, Barb Dayton, LD Cooper, Mel Wilson, Sheridan Peterson, etc. -- just like Dick Lepsy, none of them can be disqualified either, because nobody can prove they were somewhere else.

That's why you can't look from that side.  If you go by process of elimination, you can't eliminate enough suspects.

You can't be a strong suspect unless something connects him (or her?) to the crime.

That's dodging the question, not answering it.   O0

I'm having a hard time agreeing with your point of view.  Of the suspects you mention, only D-Web and Lepsy fit the basic physical description provided by the stewardesses.  The rest can be eliminated simply by comparing them to eyewitness descriptions.  I'm not in the "wig, platform loafers, colored contacts" crowd so I think its a decent description.    :))

The FBI has looked at all the suspects you mentioned above (except Lepsy. Maybe? :-\) and said "No".  They have information we do not have.  That's a pretty good reason to eliminate a suspect.  This idea that if you look at Lepsy it opens the door to everybody is ludicrous.  It opens the door to looking at suspects who fit Cooper's basic description.  There are very few people who match.  And even fewer that are missing persons. Bald headed blue eye guys need not apply.    C:-)


My point was you are promoting his a suspect because he can't be disqualified. 



That's a ridiculous statement, Mark.  I've been clear from the beginning that I brought forth information Robert Richard Lepsy because he's a missing person who hasn't been seen since the skyjacking and fits the physical description and resembles the sketch.  It's sleuthing 101 that if Cooper did not survive the jump, then that's the type of person we should look for.  I thought it be a welcomed break from chasing blue eyed suspects that the FBI isn't interested in.  I guess I was wrong.   C:-)

People bring up the point that there's nothing connecting him to the crime, but there's nothing connecting anybody to the crime.  No twenties, no parachute, nothing.  If there is a suspect with any type of real evidence, then please share.  We would love to know.    ::)

By the way, you still didn't answer jontaylor's question.    O0   O0    O0   Nice try though.

I guess I don't understand the question.

I don't disqualify Lepsy, but not disqualifying him doesn't make him "the guy".  There has to be some affirming evidence against him and there isn't.  That puts him in the same boat as all the other suspects.

If you take the idea that Cooper died in the jump and you're assuming it was an American (and either of those might be false), then absolutely you look at missing persons and Lepsy is one of them.  But, if you're going to start down that path, I believe the line has to start with Vicki's dad, Mel Wilson.  He's the right age, fits the description, and was a career criminal and con man.

I'm not going get into an argument with you on this one.  You're entitled to your opinion on your suspect and I can't prove you wrong.   I just don't see anything that makes him suspect.
 

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Re: Dick Lepsy (missing person)
« Reply #306 on: July 18, 2016, 09:37:15 AM »
The whole suspect thingy is rather tricky in itself. certain things can link a suspect to being Cooper. one of the tricky ones would be experience in skydiving. the FBI now claims they don't believe he was experienced, so some who have pushed this issue are hurting themselves if the FBI continues to believe there own statements. Peterson, and Christiansen both had experience.

Living in and around Washington could be a connection, or link. a background in aviation is another, but this would only scratch the surface to even coming close to putting them on the plane, or out right accusing them of being Cooper. I'm positive that all the living witnesses have seen a majority of known suspects, and none have come forward.

Many have sent the FBI plenty of information which they believe proves the suspect is Cooper, some even state it.
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The information given to the FBI has been looked over by an agent, and according to there own words, "no credible leads" have come into the case. I bet if they were to open the files on the suspects, you would find dozens of Christiansens, LD's, and Weber's throughout the files with similar proof, or links, but nothing putting them on the plane....
 

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Re: Lepsy. Candidate?
« Reply #307 on: July 19, 2016, 09:38:30 AM »
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But, if you're going to start down that path, I believe the line has to start with Vicki's dad, Mel Wilson.  He's the right age, fits the description, and was a career criminal and con man.

I'm not going get into an argument with you on this one.  You're entitled to your opinion on your suspect and I can't prove you wrong.   I just don't see anything that makes him suspect.

First, let me start by saying I am not promoting Robert Richard Lepsy as a suspect.  I have nothing new to add to the information I have shared about Lepsy.  I have accomplished everything I wanted to concerning his case, except finding him and sharing that information with his family.  I did however, put us in the best position possible to find that information. 
One thing I want to do, though, is defend my reasoning on sharing his information and comparing him to the DBC description.

Mark, I realize you have a close personal relationship with Vicki Wilson, is that not true?  Did you not travel to Washington with her and interview an eyewitness together?  I hardly think you can give an unbiased opinion on a suspect who competes with Mel Wilson.  I think you are just defending your friend, which is very noble.  I am writing this so people who study this case and read this in the future see the whole picture and understand that most people's opinions on this board are highly subjective. 

Mark, you once brilliantly said arguing over suspects is like arguing over who has the best looking imaginary friend.  Yet, here we argue   O0
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Re: Lepsy. Candidate?
« Reply #308 on: July 19, 2016, 10:17:05 AM »
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Mark, I realize you have a close personal relationship with Vicki Wilson, is that not true?  Did you not travel to Washington with her and interview an eyewitness together?  I hardly think you can give an unbiased opinion on a suspect who competes with Mel Wilson.  I think you are just defending your friend, which is very noble.  I am writing this so people who study this case and read this in the future see the whole picture and understand that most people's opinions on this board are highly subjective. 


You can attack the opinion or you can attack the presenter.  When you do the second, it's usually because can't do the first.

Regardless of any personal relationships, I think my opinion is well founded.

We have two missing persons we're comparing.  One is a career criminal and con man.  One is the right age.  One disappeared only two months before the hijacking instead of two years.  Both are the right height and build. 

Other than being missing, there really is nothing else to tie either to crime.  So, I'm not saying either Mel or Lepsy is or is not Cooper.

If you're going to look at missing persons, I would definitely look at both.  But if you could only look at one, it seems logical to me that Mel Wilson is the one you'd look at first.

 

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« Reply #309 on: July 19, 2016, 03:32:50 PM »
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Mark, I realize you have a close personal relationship with Vicki Wilson, is that not true?  Did you not travel to Washington with her and interview an eyewitness together?  I hardly think you can give an unbiased opinion on a suspect who competes with Mel Wilson.  I think you are just defending your friend, which is very noble.  I am writing this so people who study this case and read this in the future see the whole picture and understand that most people's opinions on this board are highly subjective. 


You can attack the opinion or you can attack the presenter.  When you do the second, it's usually because can't do the first.

Regardless of any personal relationships, I think my opinion is well founded.

We have two missing persons we're comparing.  One is a career criminal and con man.  One is the right age.  One disappeared only two months before the hijacking instead of two years.  Both are the right height and build. 

Other than being missing, there really is nothing else to tie either to crime.  So, I'm not saying either Mel or Lepsy is or is not Cooper.

If you're going to look at missing persons, I would definitely look at both.  But if you could only look at one, it seems logical to me that Mel Wilson is the one you'd look at first.

Fair enough.  I don't think we are actually too far apart on what we think to bicker about it, and I'm the one doing the bickering anyway.  I consider you one of the more level headed people on the board and pay close attention to your opinion.  On the positive side, we've been able to keep two missing persons in the public eye, and barring some unforeseen miracle, someone hearing these stories and coming forward with new information is the only way either cases will find resolution.
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Re: Lepsy. Candidate?
« Reply #310 on: July 19, 2016, 05:10:36 PM »
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Mark, I realize you have a close personal relationship with Vicki Wilson, is that not true?  Did you not travel to Washington with her and interview an eyewitness together?  I hardly think you can give an unbiased opinion on a suspect who competes with Mel Wilson.  I think you are just defending your friend, which is very noble.  I am writing this so people who study this case and read this in the future see the whole picture and understand that most people's opinions on this board are highly subjective. 


You can attack the opinion or you can attack the presenter.  When you do the second, it's usually because can't do the first.

Regardless of any personal relationships, I think my opinion is well founded.

We have two missing persons we're comparing.  One is a career criminal and con man.  One is the right age.  One disappeared only two months before the hijacking instead of two years.  Both are the right height and build. 

Other than being missing, there really is nothing else to tie either to crime.  So, I'm not saying either Mel or Lepsy is or is not Cooper.

If you're going to look at missing persons, I would definitely look at both.  But if you could only look at one, it seems logical to me that Mel Wilson is the one you'd look at first.

Fair enough.  I don't think we are actually too far apart on what we think to bicker about it, and I'm the one doing the bickering anyway.  I consider you one of the more level headed people on the board and pay close attention to your opinion.  On the positive side, we've been able to keep two missing persons in the public eye, and barring some unforeseen miracle, someone hearing these stories and coming forward with new information is the only way either cases will find resolution.

I agree as well.  I think we do a good job on this board of disagreeing without being disagreeable.  That's why I come here.
 

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Re: Dick Lepsy (missing person)
« Reply #311 on: August 01, 2016, 09:50:49 AM »
Here is a brief timeline of recent events concerning Robert Richard Lepsy.  In November of 2014, Brent Ashcroft and I started working on a news piece concerning Lepsy’s possible resemblance to the FBI sketch of “D.B. Cooper”.  The goals of the news piece were to raise awareness of Lepsy’s obscure disappearance in the hopes of inspiring someone to come forward with new information, and also, to persuade the FBI to take a look at Lepsy’s resemblance to Cooper and get Lepsy into the FBI’s “system”.

In November of 2015, the news piece was release nationally and was one of the biggest stories over Thanksgiving weekend.  Link=You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Though the story was seen by millions and millions of people, no new tips on the disappearance of Robert Richard Lepsy were received. 

Two months later, in January of 2016, the FBI received test results from the FBI laboratory concerning materiel from what the FBI described as a “suspect who came to their attention”.  They also commented that this suspect was the only one who fit eyewitness descriptions of D.B. Cooper ( 6’, Brown eyes, black hair, etc.) in the last five years (post L.D.?)

Upon receiving the FBI lab test results, the FBI decided to immediately close the Cooper case after 45 years because they thought the case was unprosecutable.    The FBI is no longer interested in hearing about any other suspects whatsoever, ever.  That’s done.  It’s over.       
The FBI announced the closing of the Cooper case via press release in July of 2016, in tandem with a History Channel show concerning the Cooper case.
 
I am not promoting Robert Richard Lepsy as a suspect in the D.B. Cooper case.  I merely want to present the facts of what happened for people who may read this in the future, and defend my decision on bringing this information forward.   
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« Reply #312 on: August 01, 2016, 12:54:01 PM »
Though I never thought Lepsy was a good suspect, you certainly do not have to defend your decision on bringing him forward as a possible suspect. Ultimately your goal was to find answers about Lepsy and give his family some answers. I hope you can eventually do that, regardless of whether or not Lepsy was Cooper.
 
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Re: Dick Lepsy (missing person)
« Reply #313 on: March 22, 2018, 03:51:04 PM »
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Today, October 29th, is the 45th anniversary of the disappearance of Dick Lepsy.  His car was found in the Cherry Capitol Airport parking lot in Traverse City, Michigan, unlocked, keys in the ignition and half a pack of cigarettes on the dash.  He was never seen or heard from again.

Do you know what brand he smoked? Smokers will smoke anything in a pinch, but most are pretty true to their brand. The last time a store told me they didn't have my brand I stared at the clerk like he'd said it in Klingon.

Where DBC was before Portland airport is a huge question mark. Lepsy physically doesn't sound like Cooper to me, and my gut is that Cooper was in Portland before the 305 flight, mainly because it wouldn't make sense to hit two checkpoints with a "bomb" in a briefcase when you could just hit one - especially as the first checkpoint would be to board a plane without rear stairs. But it made sense to board a west coast 727 rather than an east coast one, as most of Nixon's sky marshal teams were east coast or Florida area. So an east coast Cooper would be smart to go west before pulling "the job". Even if not Lepsy, Cooper could be east coast or out of country, could be a missing person, and was certainly a real smoker. Non smokers rarely go through 8 cigs for show. He'd have coughed his brains out.
Oh, and back to the smoking - I smoke moderately, but chain-smoked when I lived in Japan and they were $2 a pack and we were partying a lot. But I do remember that when I flew (and you could still smoke on most Asian flights in the 1990s), I smoked far less, because in cabin air the smokes taste and smell stronger and dry out your throat more. Smokers still smoke, but most will not chain smoke during a flight. Eight is a fair number for an elongated but still short flight. I think Cooper was a fairly heavy smoker, but that's just an educated guess.