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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #945 on: November 16, 2020, 04:38:58 PM »
Of course, I know "that guy Uris," as you should too! It's Eric Ulis, and he posts here regularly as "EU."
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #946 on: November 16, 2020, 04:49:28 PM »
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Of course, I know "that guy Uris," as you should too! It's Eric Ulis, and he posts here regularly as "EU."

Speaking of which, have we heard from Eric since the episode aired? I haven't seen any posts from him since. Would be interested in hearing his debriefing.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #947 on: November 16, 2020, 11:50:44 PM »
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Of course, I know "that guy Uris," as you should too! It's Eric Ulis, and he posts here regularly as "EU."

Speaking of which, have we heard from Eric since the episode aired? I haven't seen any posts from him since. Would be interested in hearing his debriefing.

What is to 'debrief'!? Its as plain as the nose on your face.

The options are known. (a) Tom may have other dna on his stubs that hasn't been processed yet. (b) go with the dna partial already collected by the FBI, which laypeople know nothing about and have no way of guessing about with any intelligence. As usual, Cook claims to know the details of the FBI's partial but I doubt Cook could speak convincingly with a professional about this. (c) unknown, (d) some new source for Cooper dna which takes us right back to where this already is which is nowhere and nothing?.

Tom explained to me that when DNA Itl processed his filter no secondary dna even appeared - just his! So evidently vacuuming the tie collected no usable dna ... just the tie clip has yielded dna when the FBI did its testing. That result is a bit surprising ?   
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #948 on: November 17, 2020, 04:30:26 PM »
Sorry I missed your show E.U. Does anyone know when it will air again?
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #949 on: November 17, 2020, 05:31:14 PM »
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Sorry I missed your show E.U. Does anyone know when it will air again?

It has already been repeated at least once.  Check with the History Channel for future air times.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #950 on: November 18, 2020, 03:54:27 AM »
The HC has "Final Hunt for DB Cooper" in heavy rotation, with multiple showings each day, until this weekend when the next episode of History's Greatest Mysteries airs. Episode #2 is "The Titanic."
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #951 on: November 18, 2020, 05:54:12 AM »
Thanks for the info, Robert and Bruce.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #952 on: November 19, 2020, 02:14:28 PM »
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Ok...... For the Record. 
I am sorry to announce that the DNA profile extracted from the tie was mine. It was not 'like' me, it was a dead match on all the loci. So unfortunately for all of us there is no Cooper DNA at this point.

I was expecting the lab to come up with dozens of profiles but they only came up with one. I don't know if that was a failure of the lab, if the lab actually had no fragmented DNA capability or if there was no DNA on the sample. I was suspicious so I had my own sample run and my DNA matched perfectly. By the time that happened the show was in final edit and that was it. I had signed a non-disclosure so I can only tell you now what happened.


Tom Kaye

Hi Tom.  Watched your shows.  So the electron microscope you used, is it the same concept used in a spectrometer?  What they use to determine the make up of a star in outer space?  By breaking down the elements?  I learned about these in Astronomy.  Incredible what they can tell you.  Do you think you would have anything that could match DB if you found him?  I have always believed the cigarette butts would have been the best evidence if they had them?  I have never seen your actual beliefs on this?  Do you believe he made it?  Is it possible in your opinion that the case with the "bomb" was buried?  If he had fallen to his death don't you believe this type of evidence would have been found for sure?  Scattered all over the place?   So the lack of these things, tells us its more likely he made it don't you think?
Lastly, titanium of course is used in most surgeries with implants.  I am sure you are aware of this but I am not sure if they used it in lets say back surgeries back then?  I have titanium in my back.  Just wondering if they had started to use it back then could he have worked at a place that manufactured it for surgeries?  Any idea's to help.  I am just throwing darts and that is what this case is. I believe it would help to find his brief case if he dumped it in the woods?  Or of course the chutes which I would think as smart as he was, he likely dumped them?  Nice to see your video's Tom.  Keep up the great work.  Your speech is very impressive. From 2018.
Could the titanium have been in the early stages of use for surgeries?  Perhaps the FDA had not passed it yet for surgeries back then?   I only say this because I know its used often in surgeries now.  He could have been in the medical field? Take care and good luck as always
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #953 on: November 20, 2020, 10:13:53 AM »
If you read that guys post on YouTube, its BS.  He said he was being sarcastic.  I told him "I wish you did not do that.  There are people that take this very seriously"
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #954 on: November 20, 2020, 11:23:49 AM »
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Ok...... For the Record. 
I am sorry to announce that the DNA profile extracted from the tie was mine. It was not 'like' me, it was a dead match on all the loci. So unfortunately for all of us there is no Cooper DNA at this point.

I was expecting the lab to come up with dozens of profiles but they only came up with one. I don't know if that was a failure of the lab, if the lab actually had no fragmented DNA capability or if there was no DNA on the sample. I was suspicious so I had my own sample run and my DNA matched perfectly. By the time that happened the show was in final edit and that was it. I had signed a non-disclosure so I can only tell you now what happened.


Tom Kaye

Hi Tom.  Watched your shows.  So the electron microscope you used, is it the same concept used in a spectrometer?  What they use to determine the make up of a star in outer space?  By breaking down the elements?  I learned about these in Astronomy.  Incredible what they can tell you.  Do you think you would have anything that could match DB if you found him?  I have always believed the cigarette butts would have been the best evidence if they had them?  I have never seen your actual beliefs on this?  Do you believe he made it?  Is it possible in your opinion that the case with the "bomb" was buried?  If he had fallen to his death don't you believe this type of evidence would have been found for sure?  Scattered all over the place?   So the lack of these things, tells us its more likely he made it don't you think?
Lastly, titanium of course is used in most surgeries with implants.  I am sure you are aware of this but I am not sure if they used it in lets say back surgeries back then?  I have titanium in my back.  Just wondering if they had started to use it back then could he have worked at a place that manufactured it for surgeries?  Any idea's to help.  I am just throwing darts and that is what this case is. I believe it would help to find his brief case if he dumped it in the woods?  Or of course the chutes which I would think as smart as he was, he likely dumped them?  Nice to see your video's Tom.  Keep up the great work.  Your speech is very impressive. From 2018.
Could the titanium have been in the early stages of use for surgeries?  Perhaps the FDA had not passed it yet for surgeries back then?   I only say this because I know its used often in surgeries now.  He could have been in the medical field? Take care and good luck as always

Have you listened to Darren's podcast with Tom? I believe that particular episode was called, "DB Cooper wore a tie". If not, you should give it a listen.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #955 on: November 20, 2020, 01:55:43 PM »
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Ok...... For the Record. 
I am sorry to announce that the DNA profile extracted from the tie was mine. It was not 'like' me, it was a dead match on all the loci. So unfortunately for all of us there is no Cooper DNA at this point.

I was expecting the lab to come up with dozens of profiles but they only came up with one. I don't know if that was a failure of the lab, if the lab actually had no fragmented DNA capability or if there was no DNA on the sample. I was suspicious so I had my own sample run and my DNA matched perfectly. By the time that happened the show was in final edit and that was it. I had signed a non-disclosure so I can only tell you now what happened.


Tom Kaye

Hi Tom.  Watched your shows.  So the electron microscope you used, is it the same concept used in a spectrometer?  What they use to determine the make up of a star in outer space?  By breaking down the elements?  I learned about these in Astronomy.  Incredible what they can tell you.  Do you think you would have anything that could match DB if you found him?  I have always believed the cigarette butts would have been the best evidence if they had them?  I have never seen your actual beliefs on this?  Do you believe he made it?  Is it possible in your opinion that the case with the "bomb" was buried?  If he had fallen to his death don't you believe this type of evidence would have been found for sure?  Scattered all over the place?   So the lack of these things, tells us its more likely he made it don't you think?
Lastly, titanium of course is used in most surgeries with implants.  I am sure you are aware of this but I am not sure if they used it in lets say back surgeries back then?  I have titanium in my back.  Just wondering if they had started to use it back then could he have worked at a place that manufactured it for surgeries?  Any idea's to help.  I am just throwing darts and that is what this case is. I believe it would help to find his brief case if he dumped it in the woods?  Or of course the chutes which I would think as smart as he was, he likely dumped them?  Nice to see your video's Tom.  Keep up the great work.  Your speech is very impressive. From 2018.
Could the titanium have been in the early stages of use for surgeries?  Perhaps the FDA had not passed it yet for surgeries back then?   I only say this because I know its used often in surgeries now.  He could have been in the medical field? Take care and good luck as always

Have you listened to Darren's podcast with Tom? I believe that particular episode was called, "DB Cooper wore a tie". If not, you should give it a listen.

Why not just look it up and read what it is and why ?

Energy-dispersive X-ray spectroscopy done with a scanning electron microscope ...
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SEM – EDS ANALYSIS:
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Here in a graphic form is Tom's elemental analysis of one of the first three bills Tom did SEM EDS work on back in (2010?). I forget the date but its old news now!  As you can see: there was a low response at SI (silicon) but a strong response at AG wavelengths (silver). That clued Tom in to the fact the money had been finger printed by the FBI using a silver nitrate test ... 

Tom did these tests seeking a clue to how and why the money arrived at Tina Bar . . .
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #956 on: November 21, 2020, 07:28:28 PM »
That does not answer the two questions I asked.  I do not care if he ever answers or if he takes two years to answer.  It will likely be faster than catching DB Cooper anyway.  Actually I was wondering if a spectrometer is the same device basically and also if they considered whether he worked in the medical field because Titanium, which they say they found on the tie, is used in prosthetics and in surgeries very often.  So he could also have been in a medical facility or a place that was doing research with Titanium.  They started using it on dentistry first, around 1950 but it was already being widely used in medical field when DB Jumped into history
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #957 on: November 22, 2020, 02:28:35 AM »
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That does not answer the two questions I asked.  I do not care if he ever answers or if he takes two years to answer.  It will likely be faster than catching DB Cooper anyway.  Actually I was wondering if a spectrometer is the same device basically and also if they considered whether he worked in the medical field because Titanium, which they say they found on the tie, is used in prosthetics and in surgeries very often.  So he could also have been in a medical facility or a place that was doing research with Titanium.  They started using it on dentistry first, around 1950 but it was already being widely used in medical field when DB Jumped into history

Titanium was widely used in the construction of complete airframes starting in the late 1950s, for example in the SR-71 series of aircraft and the B-70, and in huge quantities.  At the time the project that led to the SR-71 started in the late 1950s, only Russia had sufficient quantities of Titanium to meet Lockheed's needs.  The CIA bought Russian Titanium through a series of fake companies for Lockheed's use.  There has been plenty of discussion of Titanium's proposed use on the Boeing SST program and various smaller uses.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #958 on: November 24, 2020, 04:11:44 PM »
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That does not answer the two questions I asked.  I do not care if he ever answers or if he takes two years to answer.  It will likely be faster than catching DB Cooper anyway.  Actually I was wondering if a spectrometer is the same device basically and also if they considered whether he worked in the medical field because Titanium, which they say they found on the tie, is used in prosthetics and in surgeries very often.  So he could also have been in a medical facility or a place that was doing research with Titanium.  They started using it on dentistry first, around 1950 but it was already being widely used in medical field when DB Jumped into history


Titanium was widely used in the construction of complete airframes starting in the late 1950s, for example in the SR-71 series of aircraft and the B-70, and in huge quantities.  At the time the project that led to the SR-71 started in the late 1950s, only Russia had sufficient quantities of Titanium to meet Lockheed's needs.  The CIA bought Russian Titanium through a series of fake companies for Lockheed's use.  There has been plenty of discussion of Titanium's proposed use on the Boeing SST program and various smaller uses.

Ok, but its also used in the medical field big time
 

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« Reply #959 on: November 24, 2020, 04:48:19 PM »
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That does not answer the two questions I asked.  I do not care if he ever answers or if he takes two years to answer.  It will likely be faster than catching DB Cooper anyway.  Actually I was wondering if a spectrometer is the same device basically and also if they considered whether he worked in the medical field because Titanium, which they say they found on the tie, is used in prosthetics and in surgeries very often.  So he could also have been in a medical facility or a place that was doing research with Titanium.  They started using it on dentistry first, around 1950 but it was already being widely used in medical field when DB Jumped into history


Titanium was widely used in the construction of complete airframes starting in the late 1950s, for example in the SR-71 series of aircraft and the B-70, and in huge quantities.  At the time the project that led to the SR-71 started in the late 1950s, only Russia had sufficient quantities of Titanium to meet Lockheed's needs.  The CIA bought Russian Titanium through a series of fake companies for Lockheed's use.  There has been plenty of discussion of Titanium's proposed use on the Boeing SST program and various smaller uses.

Ok, but its also used in the medical field big time

A single one of the aircraft mentioned probably contained as much titanium as was used in all other sources combined over a period of several years.  Lockheed had to invent methods to machine titanium, etc..