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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2018, 02:09:36 PM »
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ORDER OF SUSPECTS:

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2018, 11:43:16 PM »
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ORDER OF SUSPECTS:

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1474) 377
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2697) President Trump
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5006) Reca
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10038) Barb Dayton


Both Mucklow and Mitchell said from photos shown, that Peterson was not Cooper. 
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2018, 12:00:36 AM »
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ORDER OF SUSPECTS:

1) Sheridan Peterson
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2697) President Trump
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5006) Reca
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10038) Barb Dayton


Both Mucklow and Mitchell said from photos shown, that Peterson was not Cooper.

Where? I'd like to see the documents you have to support this claim.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2018, 04:12:24 PM »
EU/Lynn are with Sailshaw in choosing Peterson.  Here is a quote from back in 2014 from Sailshaw.  The piercing brown eyes made it to Wiki somehow too.  How hard was it to get brown contacts in 1971?  At some point Sailshaw thought Peterson was wearing contacts.  Below is his quote from Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper…Whats The deal? on October 11, 2014 at 11:54:06 AM.

Another aspect of DB is the disguise he use was so simple. He wore sunglasses to cover his eye color (what the FBI looks at to identify the suspect). The only time he took off the sunglasses was to show the Flight Attendants his eye color. They said he had "piercing brown eyes" which covered up hi actual blue eyes. No other disguise was necessary and it did the trick with the investigators.

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #64 on: June 19, 2018, 05:21:53 PM »
If DBC's eye color really is unknown, then Ted Braden remains in the game. His MAC SOG night recon jumps in the N Vietnam jungle certainly demonstrated his ability.  What's also interesting is that many of his colleagues, including the legendary Billy Waugh, thought he was Cooper. I'd bet that the MAC SOG guys knew all about the SAT 727 airdrop tests in Thailand.

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« Reply #65 on: June 19, 2018, 05:34:29 PM »
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EU/Lynn are with Sailshaw in choosing Peterson.  Here is a quote from back in 2014 from Sailshaw.  The piercing brown eyes made it to Wiki somehow too.  How hard was it to get brown contacts in 1971?  At some point Sailshaw thought Peterson was wearing contacts.  Below is his quote from Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper…Whats The deal? on October 11, 2014 at 11:54:06 AM.

Another aspect of DB is the disguise he use was so simple. He wore sunglasses to cover his eye color (what the FBI looks at to identify the suspect). The only time he took off the sunglasses was to show the Flight Attendants his eye color. They said he had "piercing brown eyes" which covered up hi actual blue eyes. No other disguise was necessary and it did the trick with the investigators.

Bob Sailshaw

Sailshaw had the right guy, Sheridan, but he tried too hard to prove it and took a few wrong turns.

Remember, Sailshaw insisted that Sheridan had quizzed him about the 727 aft stairs, but upon learning that he (Sailshaw) was only working on 737 air stairs quickly lost interest in Sailshaw. As noted in an earlier post I proved this was incorrect because neither the 727 nor 737 had flown yet.

Sailshaw also believed that Sheridan sent some of the news media letters claiming responsibility and taunting authorities. I do not believe this to be true. It doesn’t sound like the Sheridan I know. It doesn’t sound like the DB Cooper I know. There was nothing to gain and everything to lose if the real Cooper sent them.

Finally, the story about revealing his eyes to mislead witnesses because he was wearing brown contacts also doesn’t add up given the FBI files that pertain to the brief period of time when he wasn’t wearing sunglasses.

There is plenty of factual evidence pointing to Sheridan. Fantastic stories and explanations aren’t necessary.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #66 on: June 19, 2018, 06:33:35 PM »
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EU/Lynn are with Sailshaw in choosing Peterson.  Here is a quote from back in 2014 from Sailshaw.  The piercing brown eyes made it to Wiki somehow too.  How hard was it to get brown contacts in 1971?  At some point Sailshaw thought Peterson was wearing contacts.  Below is his quote from Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper…Whats The deal? on October 11, 2014 at 11:54:06 AM.

Another aspect of DB is the disguise he use was so simple. He wore sunglasses to cover his eye color (what the FBI looks at to identify the suspect). The only time he took off the sunglasses was to show the Flight Attendants his eye color. They said he had "piercing brown eyes" which covered up hi actual blue eyes. No other disguise was necessary and it did the trick with the investigators.

Bob Sailshaw

Sailshaw had the right guy, Sheridan, but he tried too hard to prove it and took a few wrong turns.

Remember, Sailshaw insisted that Sheridan had quizzed him about the 727 aft stairs, but upon learning that he (Sailshaw) was only working on 737 air stairs quickly lost interest in Sailshaw. As noted in an earlier post I proved this was incorrect because neither the 727 nor 737 had flown yet.

Sailshaw also believed that Sheridan sent some of the news media letters claiming responsibility and taunting authorities. I do not believe this to be true. It doesn’t sound like the Sheridan I know. It doesn’t sound like the DB Cooper I know. There was nothing to gain and everything to lose if the real Cooper sent them.

Finally, the story about revealing his eyes to mislead witnesses because he was wearing brown contacts also doesn’t add up given the FBI files that pertain to the brief period of time when he wasn’t wearing sunglasses.

There is plenty of factual evidence pointing to Sheridan. Fantastic stories and explanations aren’t necessary

Since there is 0 proof that Cooper was either an expert jumper OR a complete novice jumper, I think the pool of possible jumpers must be in the millions. So I’d like to hear about the plenty of FACTUAL evidence involving Sheridan ? No doubt he’s qualified but EVIDENCE ?
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« Reply #67 on: June 19, 2018, 08:35:50 PM »
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EU/Lynn are with Sailshaw in choosing Peterson.  Here is a quote from back in 2014 from Sailshaw.  The piercing brown eyes made it to Wiki somehow too.  How hard was it to get brown contacts in 1971?  At some point Sailshaw thought Peterson was wearing contacts.  Below is his quote from Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper…Whats The deal? on October 11, 2014 at 11:54:06 AM.

Another aspect of DB is the disguise he use was so simple. He wore sunglasses to cover his eye color (what the FBI looks at to identify the suspect). The only time he took off the sunglasses was to show the Flight Attendants his eye color. They said he had "piercing brown eyes" which covered up hi actual blue eyes. No other disguise was necessary and it did the trick with the investigators.

Bob Sailshaw

Sailshaw had the right guy, Sheridan, but he tried too hard to prove it and took a few wrong turns.

Remember, Sailshaw insisted that Sheridan had quizzed him about the 727 aft stairs, but upon learning that he (Sailshaw) was only working on 737 air stairs quickly lost interest in Sailshaw. As noted in an earlier post I proved this was incorrect because neither the 727 nor 737 had flown yet.

Sailshaw also believed that Sheridan sent some of the news media letters claiming responsibility and taunting authorities. I do not believe this to be true. It doesn’t sound like the Sheridan I know. It doesn’t sound like the DB Cooper I know. There was nothing to gain and everything to lose if the real Cooper sent them.

Finally, the story about revealing his eyes to mislead witnesses because he was wearing brown contacts also doesn’t add up given the FBI files that pertain to the brief period of time when he wasn’t wearing sunglasses.

There is plenty of factual evidence pointing to Sheridan. Fantastic stories and explanations aren’t necessary
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Since there is 0 proof that Cooper was either an expert jumper OR a complete novice jumper, I think the pool of possible jumpers must be in the millions. So I’d like to hear about the plenty of FACTUAL evidence involving Sheridan ? No doubt he’s qualified but EVIDENCE ?

Cooper turned down instructions regarding how to dawn and use the parachute. This indicates at least a basic level of knowledge regarding jumping. Nothing more or less.

Other information regarding specifics of the 727; location of oxygen bottles, refueling time, 15 degree flap setting, altitude to stay under to avoid running out of oxygen, leaving jet un-pressurized, realizing that the airstairs could be deployed in-flight and upon take-off (very important and not well-known fact), understanding that Mucklow did not need to be tethered in the jet for fear of being sucked out (very important and not well-known fact) among others demands that Cooper had to have access to this data...or he just guessed and happened to be correct on all points.

Furthermore, the elements and particles found on the tie have to be explained. Cooper had to come across these items somewhere and somehow.

Cooper's familiarity with Tacoma from the air and McChord being 20 minutes from SeaTac also have to be reasonably explained.

All of these things point to a Boeing connection and a Sheridan connection. Also, many other things will be discussed in the report on July 10th which will fill in a lot of other gaps.

I'm with you on the notion that the proof is in the pudding.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2018, 08:51:47 PM »
fixed the last two comments the best I could.... :chr2:
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #69 on: June 19, 2018, 10:18:24 PM »
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EU/Lynn are with Sailshaw in choosing Peterson.  Here is a quote from back in 2014 from Sailshaw.  The piercing brown eyes made it to Wiki somehow too.  How hard was it to get brown contacts in 1971?  At some point Sailshaw thought Peterson was wearing contacts.  Below is his quote from Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper…Whats The deal? on October 11, 2014 at 11:54:06 AM.

Another aspect of DB is the disguise he use was so simple. He wore sunglasses to cover his eye color (what the FBI looks at to identify the suspect). The only time he took off the sunglasses was to show the Flight Attendants his eye color. They said he had "piercing brown eyes" which covered up hi actual blue eyes. No other disguise was necessary and it did the trick with the investigators.

Bob Sailshaw

Sailshaw had the right guy, Sheridan, but he tried too hard to prove it and took a few wrong turns.

Remember, Sailshaw insisted that Sheridan had quizzed him about the 727 aft stairs, but upon learning that he (Sailshaw) was only working on 737 air stairs quickly lost interest in Sailshaw. As noted in an earlier post I proved this was incorrect because neither the 727 nor 737 had flown yet.

Sailshaw also believed that Sheridan sent some of the news media letters claiming responsibility and taunting authorities. I do not believe this to be true. It doesn’t sound like the Sheridan I know. It doesn’t sound like the DB Cooper I know. There was nothing to gain and everything to lose if the real Cooper sent them.

Finally, the story about revealing his eyes to mislead witnesses because he was wearing brown contacts also doesn’t add up given the FBI files that pertain to the brief period of time when he wasn’t wearing sunglasses.

There is plenty of factual evidence pointing to Sheridan. Fantastic stories and explanations aren’t necessary
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Since there is 0 proof that Cooper was either an expert jumper OR a complete novice jumper, I think the pool of possible jumpers must be in the millions. So I’d like to hear about the plenty of FACTUAL evidence involving Sheridan ? No doubt he’s qualified but EVIDENCE ?

Cooper turned down instructions regarding how to dawn and use the parachute. This indicates at least a basic level of knowledge regarding jumping. Nothing more or less.

Other information regarding specifics of the 727; location of oxygen bottles, refueling time, 15 degree flap setting, altitude to stay under to avoid running out of oxygen, leaving jet un-pressurized, realizing that the airstairs could be deployed in-flight and upon take-off (very important and not well-known fact), understanding that Mucklow did not need to be tethered in the jet for fear of being sucked out (very important and not well-known fact) among others demands that Cooper had to have access to this data...or he just guessed and happened to be correct on all points.

Furthermore, the elements and particles found on the tie have to be explained. Cooper had to come across these items somewhere and somehow.

Cooper's familiarity with Tacoma from the air and McChord being 20 minutes from SeaTac also have to be reasonably explained.

All of these things point to a Boeing connection and a Sheridan connection. Also, many other things will be discussed in the report on July 10th which will fill in a lot of other gaps.

I'm with you on the notion that the proof is in the pudding.

What Sailshaw suspected or thought in no way is the same as FACTUAL evidence connecting Sheridan to Cooper. Unfortunately we have pretty much no evidence connecting ANYONE to Cooper. I’m not trying to downplay your suspect in any way. I’m just saying I see NO factual evidence. Perhaps 377 being a Lawyer can tell us if he’s seen any actuall evidence as I don’t !
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #70 on: June 20, 2018, 12:56:25 PM »
If a US Attorney were to charge Sheridan Peterson with the skyjack, I predict he would walk away a free man. The standard for conviction is and will always be PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. None of the circumstantial evidence against him, even taken cumulatively, reaches that standard. Not even close. The FBI undoubtedly knows this. Remember, their role is not to "solve" the case but rather to present a prosecutable and winnable case. "Knowing" who Cooper is and being able to successfully prosecute Cooper are two very different things.

I had a client (now deceased) who the FBI "KNEW" had committed a serious crime but they didn't have enough evidence to prosecute. The US Attorney's Office instead went after him for federal loan fraud and won. The sentence was heavy because the judge probably shared the FBI's opinion that he had done much more. Although he was never late on a single mortgage payment, he had lied about sources of income on the loan application. It was like going after Al Capone for tax fraud when they couldn't prove anything else.

If Sheridan were charged, I'd volunteer to represent him pro bono. I am retiring soon and it would be a great retirement project. I believe I could get the case dismissed prior to trial based on the FBI's loss of the cigarette butts. The butts, if they had a good DNA sample, could convict someone, but they could also exonerate someone who was a possible match to the partial DNA found on the tie. Their loss is a loss of possibly exculpatory physical evidence, which is usually fatal to a criminal prosecution. That loss of potentially exculpatory physical evidence could be rendered harmless, however, by a credible and legally admissible confession or by the discovery of other unequivocally incriminating physical evidence.

And by the way, when you lose critical evidence, all the presumptions are construed against the party who lost it. Protests that the butts would not have had good DNA and therefore their loss should not result in a dismissal will very likely fall on deaf judicial ears.

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« Reply #71 on: June 20, 2018, 01:30:52 PM »
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If a US Attorney were to charge Sheridan Peterson with the skyjack, I predict he would walk away a free man. The standard for conviction is and will always be PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. None of the circumstantial evidence against him, even taken cumulatively, reaches that standard. Not even close. The FBI undoubtedly knows this. Remember, their role is not to "solve" the case but rather to present a prosecutable and winnable case. "Knowing" who Cooper is and being able to successfully prosecute Cooper are two very different things.

I had a client (now deceased) who the FBI "KNEW" had committed a serious crime but they didn't have enough evidence to prosecute. The US Attorney's Office instead went after him for federal loan fraud and won. The sentence was heavy because the judge probably shared the FBI's opinion that he had done much more. Although he was never late on a single mortgage payment, he had lied about sources of income on the loan application. It was like going after Al Capone for tax fraud when they couldn't prove anything else.

If Sheridan were charged, I'd volunteer to represent him pro bono. I am retiring soon and it would be a great retirement project. I believe I could get the case dismissed prior to trial based on the FBI's loss of the cigarette butts. The butts, if they had a good DNA sample, could convict someone, but they could also exonerate someone who was a possible match to the partial DNA found on the tie. Their loss is a loss of possibly exculpatory physical evidence, which is usually fatal to a criminal prosecution. That loss of potentially exculpatory physical evidence could be rendered harmless, however, by a credible and legally admissible confession or by the discovery of other unequivocally incriminating physical evidence.

And by the way, when you lose critical evidence, all the presumptions are construed against the party who lost it. Protests that the butts would not have had good DNA and therefore their loss should not result in a dismissal will very likely fall on deaf judicial ears.

377

Well written. I believe the FBI suspects they know who Cooper was...Sheridan.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #72 on: June 20, 2018, 02:45:03 PM »
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If a US Attorney were to charge Sheridan Peterson with the skyjack, I predict he would walk away a free man. The standard for conviction is and will always be PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. None of the circumstantial evidence against him, even taken cumulatively, reaches that standard. Not even close. The FBI undoubtedly knows this. Remember, their role is not to "solve" the case but rather to present a prosecutable and winnable case. "Knowing" who Cooper is and being able to successfully prosecute Cooper are two very different things.

I had a client (now deceased) who the FBI "KNEW" had committed a serious crime but they didn't have enough evidence to prosecute. The US Attorney's Office instead went after him for federal loan fraud and won. The sentence was heavy because the judge probably shared the FBI's opinion that he had done much more. Although he was never late on a single mortgage payment, he had lied about sources of income on the loan application. It was like going after Al Capone for tax fraud when they couldn't prove anything else.

If Sheridan were charged, I'd volunteer to represent him pro bono. I am retiring soon and it would be a great retirement project. I believe I could get the case dismissed prior to trial based on the FBI's loss of the cigarette butts. The butts, if they had a good DNA sample, could convict someone, but they could also exonerate someone who was a possible match to the partial DNA found on the tie. Their loss is a loss of possibly exculpatory physical evidence, which is usually fatal to a criminal prosecution. That loss of potentially exculpatory physical evidence could be rendered harmless, however, by a credible and legally admissible confession or by the discovery of other unequivocally incriminating physical evidence.

And by the way, when you lose critical evidence, all the presumptions are construed against the party who lost it. Protests that the butts would not have had good DNA and therefore their loss should not result in a dismissal will very likely fall on deaf judicial ears.

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Well written. I believe the FBI suspects they know who Cooper was...Sheridan.

It's a bold statement for anyone who is not with the FBI to say they believe what the FBI suspects.  A lot of people claim they are in touch with the FBI, but are they in touch with Carr or Eng-(retired)?  Getting people on this board to agree with a suspect, or some people on Facebook like the Recca folks did, is in a completely different world than getting the FBI and the majority of the general public to believe.  When Larry Carr or Curtis Eng come out and say that in their mind the case is closed, then I'll believe it.  I hope any book on the case sells well.  Any attention on the case is good press.  And if we are waiting for a conviction, even for Capone style tax evasion, then we are probably going to wait forever.  A 45 year old man in 1971 is now in his 90's, if he's still alive, which is unlikely.  Recca had his 15 minutes of fame.  There will be more people getting theirs, but it will still just be 15 minutes.
 
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #73 on: June 20, 2018, 04:16:22 PM »
"Any attention on the case is good press."

Agree 100%. We need a new Cooper every year or so to keep interest alive.

Somebody somewhere has as yet undiscovered info that would help ID Cooper.  They may not realize that it is relevant. A current story may trigger their interest and result in further inquiry and disclosure.

Keep them Coopers coming.  ;)

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« Reply #74 on: June 20, 2018, 11:20:07 PM »
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"Any attention on the case is good press."

Agree 100%. We need a new Cooper every year or so to keep interest alive.

Somebody somewhere has as yet undiscovered info that would help ID Cooper.  They may not realize that it is relevant. A current story may trigger their interest and result in further inquiry and disclosure.

Keep them Coopers coming.  ;)

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Not so sure. The record may be the opposite of what you say.

With every spurt of public attention 2007-2018, more people surfaced saying they knew who Cooper was (most of them quacks or wackos), the FBI pulled back. The same core group of suspects has stayed the same or been reduced! Colbert surfaced with huge publicity - the FBI retracted further and closed active pursuit of the case! More individuals surfaced with more dead-certain Cooper suspects. Many credible sleuths stopped working due to fear of public exposure and ridicule in the public-media logjam or quit due to frustration. Forums became highly conflicted and protective and shrank or were taken down for TOS violations and three went extinct. Hoped for leads from the public never materialized!

So public exposure alone does not translate into more/better info about the Cooper case, or even progress in the case! Just the opposite may be happening. The newly released 302s have added a ton of new trivia but nothing in the way of hard evidence.  More public exposue does translate into more and more conflict in the Cooper community with the FBI withdrawing further. The next step could be FBI and Justice Dept closing the case completely in the near future!

The facts suggest just the opposite of what you are claiming. The facts dont seem to support your wishes or your logic.   
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