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« Reply #705 on: December 11, 2017, 10:13:07 PM »
read his post...he corrected his mistake...
 

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« Reply #706 on: December 12, 2017, 03:01:56 AM »
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I don't make up my own facts, I read it somewhere. I will find a link to prove my points and then I may post a lot less often because old members tend make the newbies feel unwelcome.


Please don't let a few cranky people keep you away from the Forum, DC. I'm glad you're here and I welcome your commentaries.

Yes, I understand that people often say "PTSD" as a kind of short-hand for: "She's not quite right," and it's a generalized way of describing Tina's past state of mind. I think I mentioned that a few posts back when we started talking about Tina.
 

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« Reply #707 on: December 12, 2017, 03:41:50 AM »
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When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread.


That may be, Robert, but Tina's psychological issues may be continuing. Her emotional state in the HC docu appeared blunted. She displayed neither highs nor lows of emotion. She did not touch anyone - not even Bill Rataczak, whom presumably she hadn't seen in decades. Yes, the whole scene was staged, but Ms. Mucklow presented herself as a careful, contained woman, and that may be a clue to her deeper psychological state.

Continuing, she showed no anxiety - or any emotion for that matter - when talking about the bomb, or looking at the six-pac of suspect pix. I find that curious. Further, her speech patterns were flat, suggesting a suppressed inner state of being.

I suspect the whole HC docu filming was very stressful for her. She appeared much differently when she walked to the door when I spoke with her in late July 2011. She seemed light-hearted and bouncy on her feet, then, even happy.

That all changed instantaneously when I introduced myself.

Thank you Dr. Phil!  There you go again, making up stuff, again, off the cuff.  Your psychoanalysis of Tina Mucklow is so far-fetched, I don't even know where to begin.  Pure horseshit, as you are not even close to being qualified to even venture such an analysis.  Why did her demeanor changed when you introduced yourself?  It was because of  you, your poor "bedside manner,"  your rudeness.  You've admitted several times that people often slam the door in your face or don't bother to contact you.  I'm betting it's about you and the way you approach and talk to people.    Tina said in the HC program that some people need to "get a life."  I'll bet my last dollar she was referring to the likes of you and Cook, among others.  Jeez Smith, does it ever end with you?

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« Reply #708 on: December 12, 2017, 12:21:27 PM »
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When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread.


That may be, Robert, but Tina's psychological issues may be continuing. Her emotional state in the HC docu appeared blunted. She displayed neither highs nor lows of emotion. She did not touch anyone - not even Bill Rataczak, whom presumably she hadn't seen in decades. Yes, the whole scene was staged, but Ms. Mucklow presented herself as a careful, contained woman, and that may be a clue to her deeper psychological state.

Continuing, she showed no anxiety - or any emotion for that matter - when talking about the bomb, or looking at the six-pac of suspect pix. I find that curious. Further, her speech patterns were flat, suggesting a suppressed inner state of being.

I suspect the whole HC docu filming was very stressful for her. She appeared much differently when she walked to the door when I spoke with her in late July 2011. She seemed light-hearted and bouncy on her feet, then, even happy.

That all changed instantaneously when I introduced myself.

Seriously Bruce ? I was unaware of your profiling ability ! Where did you get your medical degrees ?
No wonder Tina slammed the door on you.
 

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« Reply #709 on: December 12, 2017, 01:00:28 PM »
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I don't make up my own facts, I read it somewhere. I will find a link to prove my points and then I may post a lot less often because old members tend make the newbies feel unwelcome.


Please don't let a few cranky people keep you away from the Forum, DC. I'm glad you're here and I welcome your commentaries.

Yes, I understand that people often say "PTSD" as a kind of short-hand for: "She's not quite right," and it's a generalized way of describing Tina's past state of mind. I think I mentioned that a few posts back when we started talking about Tina.
Bruce thank you. On other forums that I have been on it was attack an issue not a person, some people here discourage newcomers like myself from being very active. I do think this is a great place to learn about DB Cooper and things related to the hijacking.
 

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« Reply #710 on: December 12, 2017, 05:15:56 PM »
Welcome dcmey.

Things get a little testy here at times but there is still a lot of love and camaraderie in the Cooper Vortex.

Look forward to seeing more posts from you and the other newcomers.

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« Reply #711 on: December 12, 2017, 06:18:11 PM »
Hang in there, DC.

One last thought on PTSD and Tina: In the past I have written that many people subscribe Tina's behavior in the late 1970s as due to PTSD brought on by the skyjacking. That is what most people feel, I think, but it is not what I feel is going on with her.
 

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« Reply #712 on: December 12, 2017, 06:26:55 PM »
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Seriously Bruce ? I was unaware of your profiling ability ! Where did you get your medical degrees ?
No wonder Tina slammed the door on you.


Kermit, you make two different kinds of statements - asking two different questions:

One, you are asking me if and how I might be qualified to assess Mc. Mucklow.

Two, you are speculating on why Ms. Mucklow slammed her front door in my face.

Presumably, Tina Mucklow did not slam her door in my face because I do not have a medical degree.

But, she might have because I have been offering Cooper World some theories on what I think might be going on with her. So, she might simply be royally pissed-off at me for sharing my observations and opinions about her. Perhaps the door-slams are her way of giving me some editorial commentary in case I didn't grasp her veiled commentary on the HC that I should "get a life."

On the other hand, I might be on to something and getting too close for comfort.

As for my medical degree, etc., I am simply offering observations of behavior, and sharing some possible motivations or reasons for those behaviors. Would they have more weight if I had a degree in something psychological? Perhaps. But I doubt that it would satisfy any of my detractors.

But let's talk closer to home: Why are you pissed-off at me? Why does my commentary on Tina put your knickers in a twist so much that you attack me with mockery and derision?

Bottom Line: Why are you angry at me?

I say it's time to put your cards on the table.
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« Reply #713 on: December 12, 2017, 06:32:05 PM »
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Jeez Smith, does it ever end with you?

Meyer

Nope.
 

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« Reply #714 on: December 12, 2017, 07:03:47 PM »
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Seriously Bruce ? I was unaware of your profiling ability ! Where did you get your medical degrees ?
No wonder Tina slammed the door on you.


Kermit, you make two different kinds of statements - asking two different questions:

One, you are asking me if and how I might be qualified to assess Mc. Mucklow.

Two, you are speculating on why Ms. Mucklow slammed her front door in my face.

Presumably, Tina Mucklow did not slam her door in my face because I do not have a medical degree.

But, she might have because I have been offering Cooper World some theories on what I think might be going on with her. So, she might simply be royally pissed-off at me for sharing my observations and opinions about her. Perhaps the door-slams are her way of giving me some editorial commentary in case I didn't grasp her veiled commentary on the HC that I should "get a life."

On the other hand, I might be on to something and getting too close for comfort.

As for my medical degree, etc., I am simply offering observations of behavior, and sharing some possible motivations or reasons for those behaviors. Would they have more weight if I had a degree in something psychological? Perhaps. But I doubt that it would satisfy any of my detractors.

But let's talk closer to home: Why are you pissed-off at me? Why does my commentary on Tina put your knickers in a twist so much that you attack me with mockery and derision?

Bottom Line: Why are you angry at me?

I say it's time t
o put your cards on the table.

Im not angry at you so are you now going to start profiling me and my motives ? I first want to say “ Thanks Bruce “ for helping me get onboard to this forum as I was having trouble registering and you got hold of Shutter for me. I’m not being sarcastic but simply making an observation that IF you were making those type of comments about me, I would not be pleased. I’m serious ....... where did you get your psychological training from ? You simply talk like you actually have studied how the human mind works !
I think none of us know how much tension and stress may have been going on with ALL the crew members DURING this ordeal. It’s easy AFTER the fact to say they were never in danger ! I would be VERY scared that at any time this guy might blow up the plane. From all crew accounts, Tina did an awesome job. Perhaps if you treated her with the respect I feel she deserves, she would have made herself more available. JMHO
 

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« Reply #715 on: December 12, 2017, 09:14:06 PM »
Thanks, Kermit, for a kindly response.

My psychological training, such as it is, comprises the following: (For those who have read this before, please excuse).

I spent 14 years as a recreation therapist in three different psychiatric facilities. First was the Nassau County Medical Center on Long Island for seven years. There I worked with a wide range of psychiatric disorders, but mostly schizophrenia and depression.

Next was a two-year stint at the Northport VA, where I encountered most of my PTSD folks.

Third, I spent four years at St Peter's Hospital in Olympia, WA, which had the only psych beds in northern Cooper County. There I had the majority of my exposure to personality disorders, such as Identity Disorders brought about by long-term sexual abuse, especially child molestation and rape. Olympia, WA is a nexus for women who experience these kinds of abuse.

Lastly, I was a psychotherapist in two different family and child counseling centers for a total of one year. My last six months was spent in a residential facility for teen-aged men who had been arrested as sexual predators. Nice guys, actually, when you get past some of the more troubling behaviors. I wrote a novel about my experiences at this facility, called: The Men of Honor of Unity House, and it follows the efforts of my team and I as we worked to bring these young men into a healthier and happier state of being. One of my main treatment goals was to teach these guys how to ask a young woman to the prom even when they are legally required to disclose their past offenses to the girl and her parents (!). Those episodes went a lot easier than most would think, as the parents were very forgiving and understanding in the main. The book is serialized and is posted at the Mountain News.

My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra and a MA in Recreation from CUNY.

But perhaps the most important element of my psych knowledge is my own personal psychotherapy, as it is for most working clinicians. I've had over 800 individual sessions at last count.

Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition.
 

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« Reply #716 on: December 13, 2017, 01:17:18 PM »
Bruce wrote: "My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra..." :bravo:

Bruce also wrote: "Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition." MEH...

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« Reply #717 on: December 13, 2017, 01:53:01 PM »
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Bruce wrote: "My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra..." :bravo:

Bruce also wrote: "Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition." MEH...

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And I consider the time I spent in the gulag early in my life, running from Nazi's with guns and whips and dogs, a formative period in my life!  :rofl:
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« Reply #718 on: December 13, 2017, 02:59:00 PM »
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Bruce wrote: "My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra..." :bravo:

Bruce also wrote: "Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition." MEH...

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Now, now, Three-Seven-Seven...all roads lead to Heaven, don't they?
 

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« Reply #719 on: December 13, 2017, 03:00:02 PM »
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Bruce wrote: "My academic background includes a BA in biology from Hofstra..." :bravo:

Bruce also wrote: "Nevertheless, I consider my 25 years studying with Ramtha the Enlightened One, here in Yelm, WA, to be the most significant contribution to my understanding of the human condition." MEH...

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And I consider the time I spent in the gulag early in my life, running from Nazi's with guns and whips and dogs, a formative period in my life!  :rofl:

I imagine it would be!