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Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
« Reply #690 on: November 28, 2016, 03:59:52 PM »
I think all the long term Cooper forum folks must have a high pain tolerance.

Or be on some really good drugs...  ;)

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Re: DB Cooper Case Closed? & Other Productions
« Reply #691 on: November 28, 2016, 05:46:34 PM »
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« Reply #692 on: December 10, 2017, 12:30:13 PM »
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Yup, something like that.
I think that is what they tried to do, but anybody that has done a little bit of research will find that Tina has PTSD and would not be able to ID DB Cooper from a pic. I am not saying that Rackstraw is Cooper BTW.
 

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« Reply #693 on: December 11, 2017, 03:34:33 AM »
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Yup, something like that.
I think that is what they tried to do, but anybody that has done a little bit of research will find that Tina has PTSD and would not be able to ID DB Cooper from a pic. I am not saying that Rackstraw is Cooper BTW.

Tina sat next to DBC for 5 hours!  And let's not forget that stews and crew members get special training that most common folks don't get to deal with airline emergencies.  She would remember him and details about him, absolutely.  She kept her wits and saved the day, according to BR.  She even joked around a bit with Cooper.  She showed him how to deploy the aft stairs.  Hardly the behavior of someone so traumatized she couldn't remember him and his features.

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« Reply #694 on: December 11, 2017, 07:38:47 AM »
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Yup, something like that.
I think that is what they tried to do, but anybody that has done a little bit of research will find that Tina has PTSD and would not be able to ID DB Cooper from a pic. I am not saying that Rackstraw is Cooper BTW.

Tina sat next to DBC for 5 hours!  And let's not forget that stews and crew members get special training that most common folks don't get to deal with airline emergencies.  She would remember him and details about him, absolutely.  She kept her wits and saved the day, according to BR.  She even joked around a bit with Cooper.  She showed him how to deploy the aft stairs.  Hardly the behavior of someone so traumatized she couldn't remember him and his features.

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The FBI have said she has PTSD and would not be a good witness if someone was ever charged. Something else to think about for arguments sake if Cooper had makeup on and a toupee to alter his appearance then he would be harder to recognise. I am not saying that Rackstraw is the guy, but Cooper's age IMO could be younger than thought.
 

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« Reply #695 on: December 11, 2017, 12:46:56 PM »
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Yup, something like that.
I think that is what they tried to do, but anybody that has done a little bit of research will find that Tina has PTSD and would not be able to ID DB Cooper from a pic. I am not saying that Rackstraw is Cooper BTW.

Tina sat next to DBC for 5 hours!  And let's not forget that stews and crew members get special training that most common folks don't get to deal with airline emergencies.  She would remember him and details about him, absolutely.  She kept her wits and saved the day, according to BR.  She even joked around a bit with Cooper.  She showed him how to deploy the aft stairs.  Hardly the behavior of someone so traumatized she couldn't remember him and his features.

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The FBI have said she has PTSD and would not be a good witness if someone was ever charged. Something else to think about for arguments sake if Cooper had makeup on and a toupee to alter his appearance then he would be harder to recognise. I am not saying that Rackstraw is the guy, but Cooper's age IMO could be younger than thought.

Where does the FBI say that Tina has PTSD?  I believe that story is a bit of fiction created by one of our very own members whose initials are BS.

At least some of the flight attendants, and perhaps others, were asked by the FBI if Cooper was wearing make-up.  They all said no.

When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread.
 

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« Reply #696 on: December 11, 2017, 02:14:05 PM »
R99 wrote: "When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread."

That's a pretty low mental health bar Robert.  ;)

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« Reply #697 on: December 11, 2017, 02:26:39 PM »
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R99 wrote: "When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread."

That's a pretty low mental health bar Robert.  ;)

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« Reply #698 on: December 11, 2017, 08:36:10 PM »
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Where does the FBI say that Tina has PTSD?  I believe that story is a bit of fiction created by one of our very own members whose initials are BS.


That is incorrect, Robert. I do not believe that Tina has PTSD, and have stated why just a few posts above on this page. I don't believe I have ever stated that the FBI believes Tina had PTSD, either. But the bottom line is: what affected Ms. Mucklow so profoundly that it required her to seek medical attention?

Simply, I believe that Tina has another kind of emotional disorder, something more akin to a conditioned reflex to certain triggers, such as the words: DB Cooper, journalist, skyjacking, etc. Where that conditioning came from is the subject of many lengthy discussions between yours truly and many others, but not on this forum due to the sensitive nature of these conversations and the blatant mockery that so many of us receive here.

Regardless, Tina is certainly in better shape nowadays than she was back in the late 1970s, as seen from her performance on the HC docu compared with her past medical history.

Also, I agree with your questioning of DC about his claim that the FBI said Tina had PTSD. The only federal agent I know to question her cognitive abilities was Russ Calame, and his opinion was more circumstantial.

Lastly, Tom Colbert wants desperately to throw Tina under the bus for her rejection of Airborne Bob, so anyone who spends time in Colbert Land is sure to be affected by his veiled brain-washing commentaries.
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« Reply #699 on: December 11, 2017, 08:47:36 PM »
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When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread.


That may be, Robert, but Tina's psychological issues may be continuing. Her emotional state in the HC docu appeared blunted. She displayed neither highs nor lows of emotion. She did not touch anyone - not even Bill Rataczak, whom presumably she hadn't seen in decades. Yes, the whole scene was staged, but Ms. Mucklow presented herself as a careful, contained woman, and that may be a clue to her deeper psychological state.

Continuing, she showed no anxiety - or any emotion for that matter - when talking about the bomb, or looking at the six-pac of suspect pix. I find that curious. Further, her speech patterns were flat, suggesting a suppressed inner state of being.

I suspect the whole HC docu filming was very stressful for her. She appeared much differently when she walked to the door when I spoke with her in late July 2011. She seemed light-hearted and bouncy on her feet, then, even happy.

That all changed instantaneously when I introduced myself.
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« Reply #700 on: December 11, 2017, 08:51:28 PM »
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Where does the FBI say that Tina has PTSD?  I believe that story is a bit of fiction created by one of our very own members whose initials are BS.


That is incorrect, Robert. I do not believe that Tina has PTSD, and have stated why just a few posts above on this page. I don't believe I have ever stated that the FBI believes Tina had PTSD, either. But the bottom line is: what affected Ms. Mucklow so profoundly that it required her to seek medical attention?

Simply, I believe that Tina has another kind of emotional disorder, something more akin to a conditioned reflex to certain triggers, such as the words: DB Cooper, journalist, skyjacking, etc. Where that conditioning came from is the subject of many lengthy discussions between yours truly and many others, but not on this forum due to the sensitive nature of these conversations and the blatant mockery that so many of us receive here.

Regardless, Tina is certainly in better shape nowadays than she was back in the late 1970s, as seen from her performance on the HC docu compared with her past medical history.

Also, I agree with your questioning of DC about his claim that the FBI said Tina had PTSD. The only federal agent I know to question her cognitive abilities was Russ Calame, and his opinion was more circumstantial.

Lastly, Tom Colbert wants desperately to throw Tina under the bus for her rejection of Airborne Bob, so anyone who spends time in Colbert Land is sure to be affected by his veiled brain-washing commentaries.
I don't make up my own facts, I read it somewhere. I will find a link to prove my points and then I may post a lot less often because old members tend make the newbies feel unwelcome.
 

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« Reply #701 on: December 11, 2017, 09:24:08 PM »
Here is a link that tells about the 5th DB Cooper Letter that suggests makeup and a toupee.
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This article was written by Bruce and talks about Tina and some former FBI agents talking about Tina's mental health. I was incorrect they didn't use the word PTSD but it sure sounds like it to me without using the word.
 

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The files have a lot of letters sent by "DB Cooper" the letter in this article has never been verified as being Cooper, just as the others. I find it odd that he would use a double alias instead of signing them "Dan Cooper"
 
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Yup, something like that.
I think that is what they tried to do, but anybody that has done a little bit of research will find that Tina has PTSD and would not be able to ID DB Cooper from a pic. I am not saying that Rackstraw is Cooper BTW.

Tina sat next to DBC for 5 hours!  And let's not forget that stews and crew members get special training that most common folks don't get to deal with airline emergencies.  She would remember him and details about him, absolutely.  She kept her wits and saved the day, according to BR.  She even joked around a bit with Cooper.  She showed him how to deploy the aft stairs.  Hardly the behavior of someone so traumatized she couldn't remember him and his features.

Meyer
The FBI have said she has PTSD and would not be a good witness if someone was ever charged. Something else to think about for arguments sake if Cooper had makeup on and a toupee to alter his appearance then he would be harder to recognise. I am not saying that Rackstraw is the guy, but Cooper's age IMO could be younger than thought.

Where does the FBI say that Tina has PTSD?  I believe that story is a bit of fiction created by one of our very own members whose initials are BS.

At least some of the flight attendants, and perhaps others, were asked by the FBI if Cooper was wearing make-up.  They all said no.

When Tina was on Tom Colbert's recent TV program, she was as sane as could be.  In fact, she was saner and better emotionally balanced than some of the people on this thread.

Hey, dcmey, don't be like Bruce Smith and start making stuff up.   Where do you get Tina had PTSD?  People think the crew would react the way common folks would react in such a situation.  Not.  These people are trained to deal with such situations, they know more than we do about emergency situations 30,000 feet in the air.  We talk like they didn't have a clue, that they didn't know how to handle the dire situation.  Not true, they simply did their job, and than included Tina.  Tina Mucklow looked pretty normal to me on that HC program.  Drama queen Bruce Smith will make up some scenario about her traumatized state of mind that drove her to an emotional breakdown, which lead her to a convent, which then lead to years and years of torment.  Smith got two words in, then Tina slammed the door in his face.  He come up with his dramatic conclusions after a two second encounter with Tina Mucklow.  That's what Smith does, he likes to embellish and sensationalize.  Maybe he should try to get a job with the National Enquirer or the paparazzi.  I think it would be a good fit.  And I don't buy the huge alteration in appearance caused by make-up.  MeyerLouie