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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5325 on: March 24, 2020, 05:37:38 PM »
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Document       3055081
Title       DT — DEED OF TRUST
Grantor(s)       LUSK CHRISTOPHER SR, LUSK TINA M,
Grantee(s)       HORSCH DAVID W, FIRST AMERICAN TITLE CO,
Parcel(s)       121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000
Excise No.       
Date Recorded       Jan 19, 1999
Recorded By       FIRST AMERICAN TITLE CO

FJ has responded and Im glad he did!  FJ posts:

3 hours ago (edited)
"There were no boots stolen from the store.. where did that come from."

Answer: actually it came from Jo Weber. Obviously Jo had that wrong? If you recall Jo and Duane took a 'memory walk trip' to Washington during which Duane took Jo to places DB Cooper had been, including the Heisson store.  Jo used Duane's first person comments about the Heisson store robbery to claim Duane was the robber based on his knowledge about the burglary during the hijacking, during his escape south using various landmarks Duane showed Jo during their trip ...  More proof for Jo that Duane was DB Cooper.   ;) ;)  I guess Jo had the part about the boots wrong!  :)

But, FJ posts an FBI 302 which includes:

"At about 11:30pm there was a burglary of a grocery store located roughly 10 miles south of the dam. Survival rations were taken including beef jerky, cigarettes, gloves, etc. The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole.

The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole.   :rofl:

But how the hell did Jo know about this Heisson store break in!? 🤔  None of us knew until recently when that 302 was released and flyjack pointed it out!

No. Jo and Duane took a trip to the area years ago. Jo brought it up years ago. According to Jo  Duane took her to the store and showed her landmarks in the area around the store. And something about a pipeline road out of the area Duane may have followed to make his escape as Cooper?  Jo was never lacking 'details' to add to her stories! Jo may have even talked to the owner of the store, by phone!   

Gotcha I just looked through jo’s old posts on the dz regarding the Heisson store but couldn’t find one where she said boots were taken. I read one that said bathroom window was broken but nothing taken. Can you quote the post where she mentioned boots G? She said she was told it was broken into but didn’t specify from whom so who told her this daune? if so how did he know it wasn’t publicized. The only way should could know is if she talked to the owner David Horsch and he told her or if somebody at the fbi did but why would the fbi tell her that? If she did mention boots were taken that’s interesting and tells me she was probably given this info by the fbi seeing as it mentions boots in the 302 and she just got it mixed up.

Can you give us a url to Jo's old posts about the Heisson store - ? 

Cooper had boots in his green paper bag? I doubt it. Since it was the burglar that was wearing military boots, that doesnt sound like Cooper in loafers.

Here ya go G go down to the last 10 posts...those are al jo’s, I read through them all and she says nothing about boots. Are you certain she said boots were stolen?

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5326 on: March 24, 2020, 05:39:51 PM »
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Document       3055081
Title       DT — DEED OF TRUST
Grantor(s)       LUSK CHRISTOPHER SR, LUSK TINA M,
Grantee(s)       HORSCH DAVID W, FIRST AMERICAN TITLE CO,
Parcel(s)       121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000
Excise No.       
Date Recorded       Jan 19, 1999
Recorded By       FIRST AMERICAN TITLE CO

FJ has responded and Im glad he did!  FJ posts:

3 hours ago (edited)
"There were no boots stolen from the store.. where did that come from."

Answer: actually it came from Jo Weber. Obviously Jo had that wrong? If you recall Jo and Duane took a 'memory walk trip' to Washington during which Duane took Jo to places DB Cooper had been, including the Heisson store.  Jo used Duane's first person comments about the Heisson store robbery to claim Duane was the robber based on his knowledge about the burglary during the hijacking, during his escape south using various landmarks Duane showed Jo during their trip ...  More proof for Jo that Duane was DB Cooper.   ;) ;)  I guess Jo had the part about the boots wrong!  :)

But, FJ posts an FBI 302 which includes:

"At about 11:30pm there was a burglary of a grocery store located roughly 10 miles south of the dam. Survival rations were taken including beef jerky, cigarettes, gloves, etc. The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole.

The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole.   :rofl:

But how the hell did Jo know about this Heisson store break in!? 🤔  None of us knew until recently when that 302 was released and flyjack pointed it out!

No. Jo and Duane took a trip to the area years ago. Jo brought it up years ago. According to Jo  Duane took her to the store and showed her landmarks in the area around the store. And something about a pipeline road out of the area Duane may have followed to make his escape as Cooper?  Jo was never lacking 'details' to add to her stories! Jo may have even talked to the owner of the store, by phone!   

Gotcha I just looked through jo’s old posts on the dz regarding the Heisson store but couldn’t find one where she said boots were taken. I read one that said bathroom window was broken but nothing taken. Can you quote the post where she mentioned boots G? She said she was told it was broken into but didn’t specify from whom so who told her this daune? if so how did he know it wasn’t publicized. The only way should could know is if she talked to the owner David Horsch and he told her or if somebody at the fbi did but why would the fbi tell her that? If she did mention boots were taken that’s interesting and tells me she was probably given this info by the fbi seeing as it mentions boots in the 302 and she just got it mixed up.

Can you give us a url to Jo's old posts about the Heisson store - ? 

Cooper had boots in his green paper bag? I doubt it. Since it was the burglar that was wearing military boots, that doesnt sound like Cooper in loafers.

Here ya go G go down to the last 10 posts...those are al jo’s, I read through them all and she says nothing about boots. Are you certain she said boots were stolen?

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5327 on: March 24, 2020, 08:16:00 PM »
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Document       3055081
Title       DT — DEED OF TRUST
Grantor(s)       LUSK CHRISTOPHER SR, LUSK TINA M,
Grantee(s)       HORSCH DAVID W, FIRST AMERICAN TITLE CO,
Parcel(s)       121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000
Excise No.       
Date Recorded       Jan 19, 1999
Recorded By       FIRST AMERICAN TITLE CO

FJ has responded and Im glad he did!  FJ posts:

3 hours ago (edited)
"There were no boots stolen from the store.. where did that come from."

Answer: actually it came from Jo Weber. Obviously Jo had that wrong? If you recall Jo and Duane took a 'memory walk trip' to Washington during which Duane took Jo to places DB Cooper had been, including the Heisson store.  Jo used Duane's first person comments about the Heisson store robbery to claim Duane was the robber based on his knowledge about the burglary during the hijacking, during his escape south using various landmarks Duane showed Jo during their trip ...  More proof for Jo that Duane was DB Cooper.   ;) ;)  I guess Jo had the part about the boots wrong!  :)

But, FJ posts an FBI 302 which includes:

"At about 11:30pm there was a burglary of a grocery store located roughly 10 miles south of the dam. Survival rations were taken including beef jerky, cigarettes, gloves, etc. The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole.

The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole.   :rofl:

But how the hell did Jo know about this Heisson store break in!? 🤔  None of us knew until recently when that 302 was released and flyjack pointed it out!

No. Jo and Duane took a trip to the area years ago. Jo brought it up years ago. According to Jo  Duane took her to the store and showed her landmarks in the area around the store. And something about a pipeline road out of the area Duane may have followed to make his escape as Cooper?  Jo was never lacking 'details' to add to her stories! Jo may have even talked to the owner of the store, by phone!   

Gotcha I just looked through jo’s old posts on the dz regarding the Heisson store but couldn’t find one where she said boots were taken. I read one that said bathroom window was broken but nothing taken. Can you quote the post where she mentioned boots G? She said she was told it was broken into but didn’t specify from whom so who told her this daune? if so how did he know it wasn’t publicized. The only way should could know is if she talked to the owner David Horsch and he told her or if somebody at the fbi did but why would the fbi tell her that? If she did mention boots were taken that’s interesting and tells me she was probably given this info by the fbi seeing as it mentions boots in the 302 and she just got it mixed up.

Can you give us a url to Jo's old posts about the Heisson store - ? 

Cooper had boots in his green paper bag? I doubt it. Since it was the burglar that was wearing military boots, that doesnt sound like Cooper in loafers.

Flyjack just posted a pic of some loafer looking shoes that had the same soles as the military kind described in the 302 G. For whatever that’s worth...
 

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« Reply #5328 on: March 24, 2020, 11:35:01 PM »
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Document       3055081
Title       DT — DEED OF TRUST
Grantor(s)       LUSK CHRISTOPHER SR, LUSK TINA M,
Grantee(s)       HORSCH DAVID W, FIRST AMERICAN TITLE CO,
Parcel(s)       121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000  121390000
Excise No.       
Date Recorded       Jan 19, 1999
Recorded By       FIRST AMERICAN TITLE CO

FJ has responded and Im glad he did!  FJ posts:

3 hours ago (edited)
"There were no boots stolen from the store.. where did that come from."

Answer: actually it came from Jo Weber. Obviously Jo had that wrong? If you recall Jo and Duane took a 'memory walk trip' to Washington during which Duane took Jo to places DB Cooper had been, including the Heisson store.  Jo used Duane's first person comments about the Heisson store robbery to claim Duane was the robber based on his knowledge about the burglary during the hijacking, during his escape south using various landmarks Duane showed Jo during their trip ...  More proof for Jo that Duane was DB Cooper.   ;) ;)  I guess Jo had the part about the boots wrong!  :)

But, FJ posts an FBI 302 which includes:

"At about 11:30pm there was a burglary of a grocery store located roughly 10 miles south of the dam. Survival rations were taken including beef jerky, cigarettes, gloves, etc. The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole.

The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corrugated sole.   :rofl:

But how the hell did Jo know about this Heisson store break in!? 🤔  None of us knew until recently when that 302 was released and flyjack pointed it out!

No. Jo and Duane took a trip to the area years ago. Jo brought it up years ago. According to Jo  Duane took her to the store and showed her landmarks in the area around the store. And something about a pipeline road out of the area Duane may have followed to make his escape as Cooper?  Jo was never lacking 'details' to add to her stories! Jo may have even talked to the owner of the store, by phone!   

Gotcha I just looked through jo’s old posts on the dz regarding the Heisson store but couldn’t find one where she said boots were taken. I read one that said bathroom window was broken but nothing taken. Can you quote the post where she mentioned boots G? She said she was told it was broken into but didn’t specify from whom so who told her this daune? if so how did he know it wasn’t publicized. The only way should could know is if she talked to the owner David Horsch and he told her or if somebody at the fbi did but why would the fbi tell her that? If she did mention boots were taken that’s interesting and tells me she was probably given this info by the fbi seeing as it mentions boots in the 302 and she just got it mixed up.

Can you give us a url to Jo's old posts about the Heisson store - ? 

Cooper had boots in his green paper bag? I doubt it. Since it was the burglar that was wearing military boots, that doesnt sound like Cooper in loafers.

Flyjack just posted a pic of some loafer looking shoes that had the same soles as the military kind described in the 302 G. For whatever that’s worth...

I saw that.  :)  I look at DZ twice daily.  Thanks!   
 

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« Reply #5329 on: March 26, 2020, 09:57:17 PM »
Jo Weber is a Force of Nature. How she made so many contacts with so little computer skill is amazing.
 
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« Reply #5330 on: March 27, 2020, 04:00:45 AM »
Seems like Tina was more comfortable with a hijacker on her plane with a bomb then the media. Go to 1:40 on this (she looks very rattled here) . Tina was so nervy and took over got praised for it but I see a different demeanor here.
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« Reply #5331 on: March 27, 2020, 11:45:46 PM »
I was surprised to hear today on Darren's podcast, that SA Larry Carr is still following the Cooper case?  According to EU, apparently Carr is commenting on Eric Ulis' Facebook page about the Cooper case?  Apparently Mr. Ulis and Mr. Carr have been in contact for some time? 

It's too bad Carr won't come here and answer a few questions! He has an open invitation -  :chr2:

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« Reply #5332 on: March 28, 2020, 03:10:02 PM »
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Seems like Tina was more comfortable with a hijacker on her plane with a bomb then the media.

Much insight into the mind of the hijacker may be inferred by examining the few on-camera interviews that she gave.  It is a glowing testament to the advanced manipulative skills of the hijacker when the words and actions of the Flight Attendant who spent the lion’s share of the ordeal in direct contact with him are closely examined.  A young woman who had her entire life in front of her who was thrust into a situation outside of her control by an individual unknown to her, threatening to murder in cold blood if he didn’t get his way, and then to suggest after-the-fact that he seemed nice and felt that he would not harm her.  Either this is an example of the Stockholm Syndrome or that the hijacker was highly skilled and exceedingly experienced at keeping his victims calm and reassured in order to recruit their cooperation and assistance when circumstances dictated.  The amount of time they were together suggests the latter is more likely the case.  Her contradiction in reaction that might be expected to a life threatening encounter can serve as an anchor point to develop theories that help explain his particular brand of evil.   

This intriguing clue into the dark nether regions of the hijackers mind in conjunction with other reliable information that is available to the public, can not only provide insight into how he was, but also how he may have conducted himself within a community afterwards.   

A wolf in sheep’s clothing.

 

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« Reply #5333 on: March 29, 2020, 03:21:23 PM »
Was under the impression that Agent Carr was personally interested in the Cooper case and that being assigned to it was a dream come true sort of situation.  If so, then not a surprise he is still following it.

Maybe Tina M. is an introvert and more comfortable dealing with people one-on-one than being surrounded by crowds and having questions shouted at her while lights and cameras are focused on her. 
 

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« Reply #5334 on: March 29, 2020, 04:45:29 PM »
While we are grasping at straws here, it might be worth examining Mr. COOPER’s view of his selected victims - a civilian airline company, the flight crew, and the passengers.  Speculate if you will that the heist was well thought out and that he would have had some inkling of who he would have to deal with face to face – the cabin crew and passengers.  By keeping the passengers in the dark about what was transpiring and by taking efforts to physically separate them from himself, it would be less likely that a hero would emerge from their ranks.  Thus, if all went to plan, it may have been assumed by him that the cabin crew were likely going to be young females that he would have the most contact with during the operational aspects of the heist.   Like a veteran predator, he selected the least probable prey to attempt any funny stuff.  Using props such as an apparent explosive device and a suit, he was successful in escaping initial suspicion, boarded the aircraft, achieved and maintained power and control over his victims with relative ease. 

Any person who would willingly subject an innocent young lady to this level of distress in such a calm and calculated manner must have had an intense hatred for women.  It is easy to speculate this hatred may have existed when some of the impressions that witnesses had of the hijacker are examined.  Geeky and homely, it may be assumed that he was not a hit with the opposite sex during his life.  The childish and effeminate behavior displayed when he received the cash also supports this possibility.  If he was military, and preferred the company of men, it is possible that a dishonorable discharge may be the reason for the grudge and using the experience “Uncle” taught him so it was “Uncle’s turn to weep”.
 

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« Reply #5335 on: March 29, 2020, 04:53:53 PM »
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Was under the impression that Agent Carr was personally interested in the Cooper case and that being assigned to it was a dream come true sort of situation.  If so, then not a surprise he is still following it.

Maybe Tina M. is an introvert and more comfortable dealing with people one-on-one than being surrounded by crowds and having questions shouted at her while lights and cameras are focused on her.

It is what it is, whatever that is!  ;)
 

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« Reply #5336 on: March 29, 2020, 04:59:39 PM »
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While we are grasping at straws here, it might be worth examining Mr. COOPER’s view of his selected victims - a civilian airline company, the flight crew, and the passengers.  Speculate if you will that the heist was well thought out and that he would have had some inkling of who he would have to deal with face to face – the cabin crew and passengers.  By keeping the passengers in the dark about what was transpiring and by taking efforts to physically separate them from himself, it would be less likely that a hero would emerge from their ranks.  Thus, if all went to plan, it may have been assumed by him that the cabin crew were likely going to be young females that he would have the most contact with during the operational aspects of the heist.   Like a veteran predator, he selected the least probable prey to attempt any funny stuff.  Using props such as an apparent explosive device and a suit, he was successful in escaping initial suspicion, boarded the aircraft, achieved and maintained power and control over his victims with relative ease. 

Any person who would willingly subject an innocent young lady to this level of distress in such a calm and calculated manner must have had an intense hatred for women.  It is easy to speculate this hatred may have existed when some of the impressions that witnesses had of the hijacker are examined.  Geeky and homely, it may be assumed that he was not a hit with the opposite sex during his life.  The childish and effeminate behavior displayed when he received the cash also supports this possibility.  If he was military, and preferred the company of men, it is possible that a dishonorable discharge may be the reason for the grudge and using the experience “Uncle” taught him so it was “Uncle’s turn to weep”.

Care to speculate if Cooper was breast fed or not?

Any Oedipus complex evident ?

Occipital lobe dysplasia where Magnetic resonance findings in two cases of isolated congenital hemianopia have overcome FAA requirements?

Any recidivism in the medulla oblongata maldum fornax ?
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« Reply #5337 on: March 29, 2020, 05:51:23 PM »
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While we are grasping at straws here, it might be worth examining Mr. COOPER’s view of his selected victims - a civilian airline company, the flight crew, and the passengers.  Speculate if you will that the heist was well thought out and that he would have had some inkling of who he would have to deal with face to face – the cabin crew and passengers.  By keeping the passengers in the dark about what was transpiring and by taking efforts to physically separate them from himself, it would be less likely that a hero would emerge from their ranks.  Thus, if all went to plan, it may have been assumed by him that the cabin crew were likely going to be young females that he would have the most contact with during the operational aspects of the heist.   Like a veteran predator, he selected the least probable prey to attempt any funny stuff.  Using props such as an apparent explosive device and a suit, he was successful in escaping initial suspicion, boarded the aircraft, achieved and maintained power and control over his victims with relative ease. 

Any person who would willingly subject an innocent young lady to this level of distress in such a calm and calculated manner must have had an intense hatred for women.  It is easy to speculate this hatred may have existed when some of the impressions that witnesses had of the hijacker are examined.  Geeky and homely, it may be assumed that he was not a hit with the opposite sex during his life.  The childish and effeminate behavior displayed when he received the cash also supports this possibility.  If he was military, and preferred the company of men, it is possible that a dishonorable discharge may be the reason for the grudge and using the experience “Uncle” taught him so it was “Uncle’s turn to weep”.

Care to speculate if Cooper was breast fed or not?

Any Oedipus complex evident ?

Occipital lobe dysplasia where Magnetic resonance findings in two cases of isolated congenital hemianopia have overcome FAA requirements?

Any recidivism in the medulla oblongata maldum fornax ?

Did that bad old prospector insult someone you have “feelings” for - Your Highness?
 
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« Reply #5338 on: March 29, 2020, 07:54:46 PM »
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While we are grasping at straws here, it might be worth examining Mr. COOPER’s view of his selected victims - a civilian airline company, the flight crew, and the passengers.  Speculate if you will that the heist was well thought out and that he would have had some inkling of who he would have to deal with face to face – the cabin crew and passengers.  By keeping the passengers in the dark about what was transpiring and by taking efforts to physically separate them from himself, it would be less likely that a hero would emerge from their ranks.  Thus, if all went to plan, it may have been assumed by him that the cabin crew were likely going to be young females that he would have the most contact with during the operational aspects of the heist.   Like a veteran predator, he selected the least probable prey to attempt any funny stuff.  Using props such as an apparent explosive device and a suit, he was successful in escaping initial suspicion, boarded the aircraft, achieved and maintained power and control over his victims with relative ease. 

Any person who would willingly subject an innocent young lady to this level of distress in such a calm and calculated manner must have had an intense hatred for women.  It is easy to speculate this hatred may have existed when some of the impressions that witnesses had of the hijacker are examined.  Geeky and homely, it may be assumed that he was not a hit with the opposite sex during his life.  The childish and effeminate behavior displayed when he received the cash also supports this possibility.  If he was military, and preferred the company of men, it is possible that a dishonorable discharge may be the reason for the grudge and using the experience “Uncle” taught him so it was “Uncle’s turn to weep”.

Care to speculate if Cooper was breast fed or not?

Any Oedipus complex evident ?

Occipital lobe dysplasia where Magnetic resonance findings in two cases of isolated congenital hemianopia have overcome FAA requirements?

Any recidivism in the medulla oblongata maldum fornax ?

Did that bad old prospector insult someone you have “feelings” for - Your Highness?

For the record, the stewardesses in the 1971 era were typically no older than about 23 or 24 and their main job was keeping everyone calm and collected during a flight.  Cooper apparently recognized this sociability trait in Tina rather than in Flo or Alice.  He apparently felt that Tina could be "managed" more easily. 

My personal opinion is that the hijacking was not well planned and that Cooper was very lucky up to the point where he jumped.   
 

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« Reply #5339 on: March 29, 2020, 08:24:23 PM »
I tend to view Cooper in something less than a harsh light. Part of the reason for this is because I do not think Cooper was a career criminal and I believe this was a one-off event. Therefore, if this actually was a one-off event and Cooper opted to not engage in this type of criminal behavior after November 1971 my attitude is "Who am I to judge?" Meaning, 50 years is a mighty long time and perhaps he attempted to make amends if only by living honestly from that point forward.

We all walk through life with baggage. At the least, it is unsavory to cast aspersions upon those for such doings from 50 years ago if they were never repeated. Put another way, it is not appropriate for me to judge.
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