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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5085 on: November 09, 2019, 05:25:05 PM »
I'll have to read the file again but I recall her saying he took apart one chute and was asked if he did it and he replied with a yes. no other chute was seen open...or messed with other than when they were brought onto the plane...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5086 on: November 09, 2019, 05:26:53 PM »
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I'll have to read the file again but I recall her saying he took apart one chute and was asked if he did it and he replied with a yes. no other chute was seen open...or messed with other than when they were brought onto the plane...

As I recall this was Florence seeing the cannibalized reserve opened up and spread about on the chair and her asking DBC if he did that, to which he responded yes.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5087 on: November 09, 2019, 05:42:51 PM »
In this file Tina states him trying to put the money into the container that had the pink chute. why would he open another...


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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5088 on: November 09, 2019, 05:52:06 PM »
He tried to put the money in the container and decided to use the money bag....

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5089 on: November 09, 2019, 05:55:28 PM »
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In this file Tina states him trying to put the money into the container that had the pink chute. why would he open another...


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I'm asserting that we have two different things here.

1) She obviously saw DBC with the pocket knife and the pink canopy. This is one event.

2) The other portion related to the putting money into a parachute is her witnessing a separate event. This would relate to the dummy reserve.

Obviously the 302 seems to suggest that this is all one event. Simply put, I think this is yet another example of the event being reported incorrectly.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5090 on: November 09, 2019, 06:02:54 PM »
I studied this extensively and determined that the bank bag--which presumably was the largest version of three available, 28" X 14"--was too full to cinch. Based upon the volume the money occupied it left only 4" of bag to cinch at the top with the shroud lines. In other words, he had to remove some of the money to lighten the load in the bank bag.

The FBI, and Tina, have assumed that DBC tried to fit this quite large ransom bag into the much smaller reserve. He wouldn't attempt this because its obvious simply by looking at the two side-by-side that it wouldn't fit--there will be an exhibit demonstrating this at CooperCon.

I believe what actually happened is he used the dummy reserve to store several packets to lighten the load in the ransom bag so he could properly tie it shut at the top.
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« Reply #5091 on: November 09, 2019, 06:05:15 PM »
Unfolded container seen. you are suggesting two containers were open...
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« Reply #5092 on: November 09, 2019, 06:07:47 PM »
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Unfolded container seen. you are suggesting two containers were open...

I am suggesting he opened both reserves:

1) The cannibalized genuine reserve to cut shroud lines.

2) The "soft" dummy reserve to store several packets of excess twenties from the too full ransom bag.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5093 on: November 09, 2019, 06:21:44 PM »
It's only excessive to you. I need to see the exact bag with the same amount of money in it showing it can't be used...
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« Reply #5094 on: November 09, 2019, 06:30:02 PM »
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It's only excessive to you. I need to see the exact bag with the same amount of money in it showing it can't be used...

I'm having a properly-sized mock-up of the bank bag made up for CooperCon. It will include "$200,000" that is also of the proper dimensions.

I will take a picture of the full bank bag and the reserve at CooperCon so you see what I'm saying.

The bank bag was too full for DBC to properly secure the ransom for the jump. It would have likely popped loose at the top when he jumped. He had no choice but to remove some of the packets.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5095 on: November 09, 2019, 06:30:25 PM »
The money showed up with a seal on it. that tells me it had enough room to put the seal on the bag making it tamper proof. Cooper was upset about the knapsack. you are implying he never said a word about it not being big enough. that's a double " no funny stuff" thingy. then they gave him a dummy chute that he allowed and had no problem with the D rings missing. that's a shit load of no funny stuff...
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5096 on: November 09, 2019, 07:02:31 PM »
Flyjack posted this document...read the bottom portion about the emergency exit handle on the exterior?
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« Reply #5097 on: November 09, 2019, 07:12:44 PM »
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Flyjack posted this document...read the bottom portion about the emergency exit handle on the exterior?

Interesting. Appears to suggest that there were multiple versions of the emergency exit release.

Regardless, the Hicks' placard is from the interior...unless Boeing doesn't know what it's talking about.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5098 on: November 09, 2019, 07:29:38 PM »
They are exactly the same wonder if the same placard is in the exterior hatch?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #5099 on: November 09, 2019, 07:35:22 PM »
I would be surprised if the placards on the exterior of airliners weren't significantly more robust than the ones affixed to the interior.
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