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Author Topic: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case  (Read 329517 times)

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4920 on: October 15, 2019, 11:15:17 AM »
Tie Again:

FLYJAK says: Tom,,
Particle pattern on the tie..
The tie has what appears to be particle concentrations in horizontal lines on the front of the tie and if you look close on the front of the back piece of the tie.. Hard to imagine those patterns of particles deposited while the tie was worn. That suggests the tie was rubbed across a sharp/narrow object.. as if it were used to wipe something or it was stored folded laying on the particles.. The control tie particle distribution looked completely random, the cooper tie was not. 

Question:    What "control tie" ?  Show us this "control tie"?  And this "control tie particle distribution" !

In fact show us any particle distribution on any cloth object caused by wiping and only wiping!  :rofl: 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4921 on: October 15, 2019, 11:55:54 AM »
Money challenge for FLYJAK:

Show us any document, 302, authoritative book, testimony of a witness, etc;   that states clearly that the person giving testimony is speaking about the Cooper money  'using formal banking terminology'.   

Show us any Cooper document where a bank official says they are speaking in "bank speak" about the Coopermoney.

Show us any evidence that any important person involved in NORJAK had experience working in a bank, was speaking in "bank speak", or the like.

What are your credentials or experience or background for your assertion that certain 'Cooper words' are "formal banking terms" vs ordinary language.     

Lastly:  please provide any document from any bank person anywhere that certifies that certain technical terms were being used by Seafirst bank or FBI agents in the NORJAK case. Please state what those technical terms for money were, that you claim applies to the Cooper money and NORJAK, or how money was processed at the Seafirst bank for use in the Cooper case. 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4922 on: November 02, 2019, 03:04:47 PM »
The FBI 302 related to the finding of the placard is available in Part 42 of the FBI files. The placard info starts on page 178.

1) The placard was found near the FBI flight path of 305.
2) The placard was the type used on the 727.
2) The placard was originally affixed to the outside of the jet.
3) Two days after the skyjacking, the FBI did some testing with N467US over the ocean and noticed placards missing upon return to Seattle.
4) The placard would have "floated about in the air currents much like a leaf."

Also, apparently a second placard was found in north Skamania County by a logger that was determined to be "99% certain" from 305. Pages 331 & 415-418 in Part 42. Very interesting.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4923 on: November 02, 2019, 03:32:30 PM »
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The FBI 302 related to the finding of the placard is available in Part 42 of the FBI files. The placard info starts on page 178.

1) The placard was found near the FBI flight path of 305.
2) The placard was the type used on the 727.
2) The placard was originally affixed to the outside of the jet.
3) Two days after the skyjacking, the FBI did some testing with N467US over the ocean and noticed placards missing upon return to Seattle.
4) The placard would have "floated about in the air currents much like a leaf."

got a url to it  ?

or post the docs you are citing ?
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4924 on: November 02, 2019, 04:09:58 PM »
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Also, apparently a second placard was found in north Skamania County by a logger that was determined to be "99% certain" from 305. Pages 331 & 415-418 in Part 42. Very interesting.

This really does not add up. Why wouldn't we have heard about this? A second placard?

I'm wondering if this is one of those classic FBI errors inasmuch as the placard they're referring to is the Hicks placard. I mean, north Skamania County puts it around Mt. St. Helens. Also, where is this placard? Why wouldn't they have submitted the original placard to NWO in Minneapolis to confirm its identity as they did this one? It was found six months after the first placard which itself was found after seven years? Very odd.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4925 on: November 02, 2019, 04:23:32 PM »
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Also, apparently a second placard was found in north Skamania County by a logger that was determined to be "99% certain" from 305. Pages 331 & 415-418 in Part 42. Very interesting.

This really does not add up. Why wouldn't we have heard about this? A second placard?

I'm wondering if this is one of those classic FBI errors inasmuch as the placard they're referring to is the Hicks placard. I mean, north Skamania County puts it around Mt. St. Helens. Also, where is this placard? Why wouldn't they have submitted the original placard to NWO in Minneapolis to confirm its identity as they did this one? It was found six months after the first placard which itself was found after seven years? Very odd.

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« Reply #4926 on: November 02, 2019, 04:26:07 PM »
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Also, apparently a second placard was found in north Skamania County by a logger that was determined to be "99% certain" from 305. Pages 331 & 415-418 in Part 42. Very interesting.

This really does not add up. Why wouldn't we have heard about this? A second placard?

I'm wondering if this is one of those classic FBI errors inasmuch as the placard they're referring to is the Hicks placard. I mean, north Skamania County puts it around Mt. St. Helens. Also, where is this placard? Why wouldn't they have submitted the original placard to NWO in Minneapolis to confirm its identity as they did this one? It was found six months after the first placard which itself was found after seven years? Very odd.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4927 on: November 02, 2019, 04:27:50 PM »
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Also, apparently a second placard was found in north Skamania County by a logger that was determined to be "99% certain" from 305. Pages 331 & 415-418 in Part 42. Very interesting.

This really does not add up. Why wouldn't we have heard about this? A second placard?

I'm wondering if this is one of those classic FBI errors inasmuch as the placard they're referring to is the Hicks placard. I mean, north Skamania County puts it around Mt. St. Helens. Also, where is this placard? Why wouldn't they have submitted the original placard to NWO in Minneapolis to confirm its identity as they did this one? It was found six months after the first placard which itself was found after seven years? Very odd.

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As noted in my post #4922 it's in the FBI files Part 42: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Not noted - this is your first url given anywhere. Thanks ELVIS.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4928 on: November 02, 2019, 04:27:59 PM »
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3) Two days after the skyjacking, the FBI did some testing with N467US over the ocean and noticed placards missing upon return to Seattle.

The only testing I'm aware of over the ocean was in 1972. that's the test with the sand bags to determine he pressure changes. I believe two reports were in the paper. one saying it was noticed two days later then the second report was the placard was noticed missing after the testing...
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4929 on: November 02, 2019, 04:28:51 PM »
Georger, they are in the FBI vault that everyone should be aware of by now?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4930 on: November 02, 2019, 04:29:28 PM »
Of note, the distance from north Skamania County just south of Mt. St. Helens (just inside Skamania County) to just west of Ariel (the FBI Flight Path) means that placard would have drifted approximately 21 miles. Something doesn't add up here.
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« Reply #4931 on: November 02, 2019, 04:32:52 PM »
The placards are made pretty tough. then if it was in the woods it would be blocked from sun light most of the time.
 

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« Reply #4932 on: November 02, 2019, 04:33:29 PM »
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3) Two days after the skyjacking, the FBI did some testing with N467US over the ocean and noticed placards missing upon return to Seattle.

The only testing I'm aware of over the ocean was in 1972. that's the test with the sand bags to determine he pressure changes. I believe two reports were in the paper. one saying it was noticed two days later then the second report was the placard was noticed missing after the testing...

It's in the 302 on page 180.
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« Reply #4933 on: November 02, 2019, 04:35:31 PM »
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3) Two days after the skyjacking, the FBI did some testing with N467US over the ocean and noticed placards missing upon return to Seattle.

The only testing I'm aware of over the ocean was in 1972. that's the test with the sand bags to determine he pressure changes. I believe two reports were in the paper. one saying it was noticed two days later then the second report was the placard was noticed missing after the testing...

It's in the 302 on page 180.

I don't think it's accurate in the statement...the test over the ocean was clearly documented. January 6, 1972.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4934 on: November 02, 2019, 04:39:05 PM »
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3) Two days after the skyjacking, the FBI did some testing with N467US over the ocean and noticed placards missing upon return to Seattle.

The only testing I'm aware of over the ocean was in 1972. that's the test with the sand bags to determine he pressure changes. I believe two reports were in the paper. one saying it was noticed two days later then the second report was the placard was noticed missing after the testing...

It's in the 302 on page 180.

I don't think it's accurate in the statement...the test over the ocean was clearly documented. January 6, 1972.

You are probably right about it being inaccurately reported in that 302.

This leads me to question the veracity, or at least the details, regarding the analysis of the 2nd placard. Perhaps it's the first placard that's actually being referred to in this instance and there wasn't a 2nd placard find? It's about the only thing that makes any sense.
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