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Do you believe Cooper lived or died. the option are below to cast a vote...

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25% Cooper lived
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35% Cooper lived.
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50% Cooper lived
10 (23.8%)
75% Cooper lived
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4815 on: July 14, 2019, 03:20:43 PM »
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As per Georger's comment afew posts back about dogs being involved in the 1972 hunt for D.B.        What kind of dogs were involved? Where can I find info on the hunt? I don't think I have heard of this before. Sounds interesting.

Ive seen two photos taken during the search with German Shepherds in them... will try and find the photos. Dogs entered the plane first at Reno.
Apparently the dogs ate the crew meals in Reno, but I'm not sure where I read that. :D

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4816 on: July 14, 2019, 03:58:10 PM »
A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4817 on: July 14, 2019, 04:10:36 PM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The fact that the money turned up at Tina Bar suggests to me that Cooper landed on dry land near the money find location as a no-pull.  There is a bit of convoluted reasoning that goes into this.  But if Cooper had landed in the river itself, he would probably have retained sufficient buoyancy for several hours and drifted past Tina Bar before daylight. 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4818 on: July 14, 2019, 04:10:54 PM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The correct and up-to-date info was not even getting to LE.
 
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« Reply #4819 on: July 14, 2019, 04:13:58 PM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The fact that the money turned up at Tina Bar suggests to me that Cooper landed on dry land near the money find location as a no-pull.  There is a bit of convoluted reasoning that goes into this.  But if Cooper had landed in the river itself, he would probably have retained sufficient buoyancy for several hours and drifted past Tina Bar before daylight.

Lab work in1980 might have settled that question - today time is running out daily. I think the FBI just wants this case to go away, even though it never will.
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4820 on: July 14, 2019, 04:15:52 PM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The correct and up-to-date info was not even getting to LE.

As I mentioned a few minutes ago in response to another of your posts, it looks like NWA was trying to freeze the FBI out of the hijacking event.
 

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« Reply #4821 on: July 14, 2019, 04:17:03 PM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The correct and up-to-date info was not even getting to LE.

As I mentioned a few minutes ago in response to another of your posts, it looks like NWA was trying to freeze the FBI out of the hijacking event.

The insurance company might have had something to say about that, and refused NWA's claim!

I have always thought Sailshaw had a point: a battle of systems in gridlock. The mouse (Cooper) just walks quietly out of the room under cover of chaos and darkness.. 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4822 on: July 14, 2019, 04:23:27 PM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The fact that the money turned up at Tina Bar suggests to me that Cooper landed on dry land near the money find location as a no-pull.  There is a bit of convoluted reasoning that goes into this.  But if Cooper had landed in the river itself, he would probably have retained sufficient buoyancy for several hours and drifted past Tina Bar before daylight.

Sorry Robert but you’re certainly entitled to your opinion but I don’t share your opinion.
 

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« Reply #4823 on: July 14, 2019, 04:53:41 PM »
I don't see where Cooper could of been concealed long enough to escape notice. the treeline was not very large on Cat. Island and the surrounding area would of been noticed. I see way too much human activity in the area...
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« Reply #4824 on: July 14, 2019, 08:58:13 PM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The fact that the money turned up at Tina Bar suggests to me that Cooper landed on dry land near the money find location as a no-pull.  There is a bit of convoluted reasoning that goes into this.  But if Cooper had landed in the river itself, he would probably have retained sufficient buoyancy for several hours and drifted past Tina Bar before daylight.

Sorry Robert but you’re certainly entitled to your opinion but I don’t share your opinion.

Why not?  Do you have some "alternate facts"?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4825 on: July 14, 2019, 10:58:30 PM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The fact that the money turned up at Tina Bar suggests to me that Cooper landed on dry land near the money find location as a no-pull.  There is a bit of convoluted reasoning that goes into this.  But if Cooper had landed in the river itself, he would probably have retained sufficient buoyancy for several hours and drifted past Tina Bar before daylight.

Sorry Robert but you’re certainly entitled to your opinion but I don’t share your opinion.

Why not?  Do you have some "alternate facts"?

Yes I do ! It’s a fact that IF he was a no pull into the dry land, nobody has found him, his parachute, his briefcase !
Besides it’s just your opinion that he was a no pull AND also that he landed On dry land. You have no proof whatsoever either ! It’s your opinion ! My opinion is just as good as yours ! Nobody has any proof how the money got to Tina Bar so let’s hear your proof ! I’m all ears ! Perhaps my opinion is slightly better than yours as I have waterskied and fished almost every mile of this river from Bonneville Dam to the Pacific Ocean for almost all my life.
The area around Hayden Island has always been a hot spot for boating even back in the 60’s ! Where’s his body ?
 

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« Reply #4826 on: July 14, 2019, 11:52:29 PM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The fact that the money turned up at Tina Bar suggests to me that Cooper landed on dry land near the money find location as a no-pull.  There is a bit of convoluted reasoning that goes into this.  But if Cooper had landed in the river itself, he would probably have retained sufficient buoyancy for several hours and drifted past Tina Bar before daylight.

Sorry Robert but you’re certainly entitled to your opinion but I don’t share your opinion.

Why not?  Do you have some "alternate facts"?

Yes I do ! It’s a fact that IF he was a no pull into the dry land, nobody has found him, his parachute, his briefcase !
Besides it’s just your opinion that he was a no pull AND also that he landed On dry land. You have no proof whatsoever either ! It’s your opinion ! My opinion is just as good as yours ! Nobody has any proof how the money got to Tina Bar so let’s hear your proof ! I’m all ears ! Perhaps my opinion is slightly better than yours as I have waterskied and fished almost every mile of this river from Bonneville Dam to the Pacific Ocean for almost all my life.
The area around Hayden Island has always been a hot spot for boating even back in the 60’s ! Where’s his body ?

I think Kermit's experience is valuable here. Some of the Portland and Vancouver agents were longtime residents of the area and fished at Tina Bar. Nobody saw or reported free money or pieces of money in the sand at Tina Bar, until Feb of 1980 and if you buy the Ingram's story that was a fluke of luck. 

It's almost inconceivable that sooner or later something would have been noticed, maybe that would have gone unreported, but due to erosion the money was getting ripe for discovery.   
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« Reply #4827 on: July 15, 2019, 12:32:28 AM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The fact that the money turned up at Tina Bar suggests to me that Cooper landed on dry land near the money find location as a no-pull.  There is a bit of convoluted reasoning that goes into this.  But if Cooper had landed in the river itself, he would probably have retained sufficient buoyancy for several hours and drifted past Tina Bar before daylight.

Sorry Robert but you’re certainly entitled to your opinion but I don’t share your opinion.

Why not?  Do you have some "alternate facts"?

Yes I do ! It’s a fact that IF he was a no pull into the dry land, nobody has found him, his parachute, his briefcase !
Besides it’s just your opinion that he was a no pull AND also that he landed On dry land. You have no proof whatsoever either ! It’s your opinion ! My opinion is just as good as yours ! Nobody has any proof how the money got to Tina Bar so let’s hear your proof ! I’m all ears ! Perhaps my opinion is slightly better than yours as I have waterskied and fished almost every mile of this river from Bonneville Dam to the Pacific Ocean for almost all my life.
The area around Hayden Island has always been a hot spot for boating even back in the 60’s ! Where’s his body ?

I have covered all of this in posts since 2009.  I'm not going to waste more of my time repeating them here or again.  So you are going to have to look up those posts yourself if you want further answers.   
 

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« Reply #4828 on: July 15, 2019, 12:43:26 AM »
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A quick look at this survey at the front of this thread shows of 39 votes, only 4 say it’s 100% Cooper died. I’d say just being VERY familiar with the Columbia river that IF he landed in the Columbia in late November there’s very little chance that Cooper survived. Therefore to me it seems kinda fruitless to actually think Cooper is still alive or that we have any chance of ever finding out who Cooper was or ever solving this mystery IF he landed in the river that night. I’ve lost 3 very close friends who drowned in the river so I’m not just talking about a river that I’m unfamiliar with.
Therefore for me it’s more interesting to entertain the possibility that Cooper escaped and how he might have done so. I actually feel confident that IF I had survived the jump by not landing in water, I’d been able to easily avoid getting captured. Almost nobody was looking for Cooper for quite a long period of time. Flying around in a helicopter far away from the area he most likely jumped is not what I’d call a real search ! JMHO

The fact that the money turned up at Tina Bar suggests to me that Cooper landed on dry land near the money find location as a no-pull.  There is a bit of convoluted reasoning that goes into this.  But if Cooper had landed in the river itself, he would probably have retained sufficient buoyancy for several hours and drifted past Tina Bar before daylight.

Sorry Robert but you’re certainly entitled to your opinion but I don’t share your opinion.

Why not?  Do you have some "alternate facts"?

Yes I do ! It’s a fact that IF he was a no pull into the dry land, nobody has found him, his parachute, his briefcase !
Besides it’s just your opinion that he was a no pull AND also that he landed On dry land. You have no proof whatsoever either ! It’s your opinion ! My opinion is just as good as yours ! Nobody has any proof how the money got to Tina Bar so let’s hear your proof ! I’m all ears ! Perhaps my opinion is slightly better than yours as I have waterskied and fished almost every mile of this river from Bonneville Dam to the Pacific Ocean for almost all my life.
The area around Hayden Island has always been a hot spot for boating even back in the 60’s ! Where’s his body ?

I have covered all of this in posts since 2009.  I'm not going to waste more of my time repeating them here or again.  So you are going to have to look up those posts yourself if you want further answers.

It’s ok Robert ! You have no proof and you and anyone else knows it ! Your opinion is just exactly an opinion. Don’t feel bad as nobody else has any proof either !
 

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« Reply #4829 on: July 15, 2019, 04:08:41 AM »
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Apparently the dogs ate the crew meals in Reno, but I'm not sure where I read that. :D
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