Dwayne definitely flunked the visual lie detector test in his TV appearance, but don't draw too much from that.

I don't know for sure that Dwayne is or was into  drugs but his on camera behavior raises my suspicions.

One problem with interviewing/interrogating tweakers is that they are so fidgety that EVERYTHING looks sneaky and evasive.

Ask a tweaker what day it is and it will look like they are hiding something even if they answer accurately.

IF the currency shard info is accurate, we can hang up our Tena Bar money plant theories.

It's hard letting go of favored Tena Bar theories but you simply have to when the evidence mandates it.

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Dwayne definitely flunked the visual lie detector test in his TV appearance, but don't draw too much from that.

I don't know for sure that Dwayne is or was into  drugs but his on camera behavior raises my suspicions.

One problem with interviewing/interrogating tweakers is that they are so fidgety that EVERYTHING looks sneaky and evasive.

Ask a tweaker what day it is and it will look like they are hiding something even if they answer accurately.

IF the currency shard info is accurate, we can hang up our Tena Bar money plant theories.

It's hard letting go of favored Tena Bar theories but you simply have to when the evidence mandates it.

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Go back and look at his demeanor in the Portland interview film, 1980. Very nervous. Talked like a magpie and most of it was nonsense. Could not focus. Could not calm down - contrast that with his wife Pat who was nearly stoic, reserved, and said no more than required. (Behind the scenes Pat is very vocal!)   

The media has given Harold/Dwayne a role (center stage) he may not deserve and probably didn't play. Yes, he did most of the talking at the FBI interview but that quickly passed and others got involved and were very verbal, post-interview. The news media actually did a pretty good job of covering the Ingram family after the FBI press conference. Don't forget - there were other people present when Brian (and Denise?) found the money and they all played a role giving interviews etc. after the FBI news conference. This included Harold's brother. They all gave interviews to the press or were interviewed on the radio. They all had a lot to say and conflicts developed! The one thing they were unanimous in was 'they wanted a reward for finding the Cooper money from the FBI and they lobbied publicly to get it' each in their own way using some media outlet.

It's this part of the story, the story about the real Ingram family and their actions and behavior before and after the find, that people pushing 'plant theories' always fail to acknowledge because they don't seem to know anything about the actual facts about the Ingrams. This is one of the hurdles any plant theory must cross to have any validity and so far every plant theory has failed to meet this factual-documented test about the Ingrams, on every occasion.

So, don't give Harold too much credit. There were others there during and after the find who had a personal stake in the matter and they spoke freely in the days following the find ... including with new interviews with the FBI. A 'plant' has never been part of anyone's account or even intimated. 
   

The only plant theory that could stand up to the evidence would have to also involve a diffused currency shard field plant substantially below the bills, which is absurd.

This is a case for Judge Dredge. 

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Sailshaw,

How do you explain the currency chard field substantially below the found bills?

I too thought Dwayne's on screen HC interview was VERY suspicious and was consistent with leading Brian to the find site, but
the chard field just does not square with the bills being planted by Dwayne or his cohorts.

I realized my bias and changed my mind about a plant. I didn't let my bias lock me into a theory that was inconsistent with the known evidence.

Jo is a good example of what happens when you discard contrary evidence to support your favored theory.

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The idea of a plant will last as long as the suspects surround the case. no matter what comes into play about them they will continue to try and prove that suspect. even when the witnesses have seen these suspects. a plant makes there suspect thrive. a plant proves Cooper made it. they go hand in hand.

IMO, Cooper would have had to of known about Tina bar, the erosion, the amount of people who visited the beach. it just doesn't make sense. how could he have known the money would be found, or that it could weaken his trail? the money would have to be found early in the investigation to throw them off his trail. how do you bury something thinking that? they have never been on his trail. how would he have known they would turn the money in, and not keep it? that almost happened! nothing adds up. if the intention was for the money to be found, why wasn't it protected? the "master plan" didn't include this?

Christiansen, Weber, Rackstraw, and many others all rely on a plant. it's a must, a need. don't tell me Tina has never seen these people, or the passengers...what dark hole do they think these people live in. it's as ridiculous as the plant.

Bingo. You want to understand the plant theories, just look at who is pushing them. The shard field, at least for me, eliminates the already highly unlikely plant.

The money was probably going to be found eventually. If not by the Ingrams, then by someone else on a different day building a different fire. How many fires had been built at Tena Bar? It was an amazing find. But I don't know how unlikely of a find it ultimately was.

I'd love to hear the plant theory that explains the shard field.

The idea of a plant will last as long as the suspects surround the case. no matter what comes into play about them they will continue to try and prove that suspect. even when the witnesses have seen these suspects. a plant makes there suspect thrive. a plant proves Cooper made it. they go hand in hand.

IMO, Cooper would have had to of known about Tina bar, the erosion, the amount of people who visited the beach. it just doesn't make sense. how could he have known the money would be found, or that it could weaken his trail? the money would have to be found early in the investigation to throw them off his trail. how do you bury something thinking that? they have never been on his trail. how would he have known they would turn the money in, and not keep it? that almost happened! nothing adds up. if the intention was for the money to be found, why wasn't it protected? the "master plan" didn't include this?

Christiansen, Weber, Rackstraw, and many others all rely on a plant. it's a must, a need. don't tell me Tina has never seen these people, or the passengers...what dark hole do they think these people live in. it's as ridiculous as the plant.

The condition of the money, its infiltration by Columbia River sand documented in one FBI report, the presence of pieces at deeper layers, and the description of the find (it was wet on the high tide line) as an integral part of its surroundings all suggest the money had been there some time and was NOT (could not be!) a recent arrival. Part of these facts are established in the Palmer Report.  So... if it is a plant what is the date of the plant? Not from the day before the find, or a week, or a month, maybe a year or two?, or clear back in 1971 or 1971-72? The date of the plant is crucial to any plant theory. Oh! And we havent even mentioned a biological analysis of the money; which has never been done!

Anyone pushing a plant theory must tell us WHEN (the date) of the plant - otherwise this is all gobblewobble.
 

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The idea of a plant will last as long as the suspects surround the case. no matter what comes into play about them they will continue to try and prove that suspect. even when the witnesses have seen these suspects. a plant makes there suspect thrive. a plant proves Cooper made it. they go hand in hand.

IMO, Cooper would have had to of known about Tina bar, the erosion, the amount of people who visited the beach. it just doesn't make sense. how could he have known the money would be found, or that it could weaken his trail? the money would have to be found early in the investigation to throw them off his trail. how do you bury something thinking that? they have never been on his trail. how would he have known they would turn the money in, and not keep it? that almost happened! nothing adds up. if the intention was for the money to be found, why wasn't it protected? the "master plan" didn't include this?

Christiansen, Weber, Rackstraw, and many others all rely on a plant. it's a must, a need. don't tell me Tina has never seen these people, or the passengers...what dark hole do they think these people live in. it's as ridiculous as the plant.

Bingo. You want to understand the plant theories, just look at who is pushing them. The shard field, at least for me, eliminates the already highly unlikely plant.

The money was probably going to be found eventually. If not by the Ingrams, then by someone else on a different day building a different fire. How many fires had been built at Tena Bar? It was an amazing find. But I don't know how unlikely of a find it ultimately was.

I'd love to hear the plant theory that explains the shard field.

Is the most popular explanation for the shard field that those bills were shredded in the dredge machine and then spit out onto the beach (in fragments)? Or is the more popular theory that those bills were loose (no longer bundled together) and they therefore were decomposed by the elements much more rapidly than the three bundles that were tied together (and possibly sifted their way down further in the sand)?

Also, was the shard field directly underneath the three bundles that Ingram found? Or off to the side?

See the map ... read the transcript of the KIRO video.