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Tena Bar Money Find
JAG:
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I’ve read a couple hundred pages of this forum and maybe 20 of this thread. But things change over time, so it’s hard to know if what I’ve read is the latest info, has been disproven, etc. I thought I knew enough to ask a couple questions that weren’t too dumb… (I hope…)
Also there’s a lot of bickering here, which gets tiring for new people trying to wade through all the threads here…. Sorry, but I’ve heard others say that too.
Anyway -
It sounds like the shards were real, and plentiful, and 3 feet deep.
Then the question is whether they were distributed by the dredge, one of the previous floods, or by washing up from the river. The latter seems unlikely.
Also, from what I’ve read, they were distributed at different depths - not just in one layer at, say, 3 feet.
Doesn’t that suggest the dredge? On the other hand I’ve read that the dredge spoils weren’t dumped this far up the beach, but are records of that really reliable?
So much conflicting information out there…. That’s why I’m asking what the latest and most reliable info is. :)
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The bickering is just the way of people to a certain degree. Folks get passionate, have strong opinions and the debate gets a little heated. Also, some of the people and players have been at this for 10 to 20 years or so, so maybe it's like the family bickering at the Thanksgiving dinner table--that can get just as heated lol ! But I am glad that there is forum or place like this to satisfy my unexplainable desire to know what happened to Cooper--I guess it's the thrill of the hunt and the unique nature of this event. But anyway, I have found that if you treat and address people with respect, there's no problem....and if there is, water off a ducks back.
Back to the shards, you hit on all of the open questions. For me, I think the key is whether the shards are from the 3 "bundolas" (~$5800 that Brian Ingram found) or if they are from different bills from the remaining ~$194K? To know that, a shard with a serial number would need to be somewhere in evidence, I don't know that there is such a shard. If they are from the ~$194k, it opens up or lends more credence to more theories such as the dredge.
So, to shard or not to shard--that is the question! ;D
I hope Bruce doesn't mind me linking the following video he made, it's all about the Tena Bar find and I believe discusses the shards as well. It's about 5 years old but I believe still a good overview as I do not believe much has changed:
But very cool that Bruce is going to get a chance to interview Larry Carr--maybe he will ask him about the shards !
Chaucer:
The bickering is at an end. We can disagree without being disagreeable - myself included. The hope is the future of this forum is informative, constructive, and collaborative.
Posts that do not meet this new standard will be edited or deleted. Users who do not meet this new standard will be suspended or banned.
That said, please ask questions! There are those here who have researched the case for over a decade or even longer. Learn about the case from them before drawing conclusions. No one knows all the answers, but asking questions is the only way to spur discussion and invigorate the case.
PhotonHerder:
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On the Citizen Sleuths website, it says that the money could not have come from the dredge, because the money find was too far north of where the spoils were dumped on the beach.
Is this still the current thinking?
Chaucer:
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On the Citizen Sleuths website, it says that the money could not have come from the dredge, because the money find was too far north of where the spoils were dumped on the beach.
Is this still the current thinking?
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Depends on who you ask. Eric Ulis has a different location for the money find than Tom Kaye does. Not sure if they ever came to a mutual conclusion about that. I also have some evidence that the money find location was within the dredge spoils dump. I'll post it here in a bit.
Shutter:
Some years back I uncovered video surrounding the dig. the media was on the beach during the process. it shows them digging and finding pieces at different levels. some believe they contaminated the scene with pieces getting on the bottoms of shoes, I don't believe this to be true.
I don't really buy into that theory. the first layers dug up would be quickly covered up as they dug deeper.the other problem is the amount of sand spread from the spoils left on the beach. according to Tom Kaye and the Fazio's the sand wasn't spread very far, not even close to where the money was found but Palmer found a dredge layer up to 3 feet deep. that's a lot of sand coming from a long distance to the northern spoil. Fazio claims 50 yards spread north and south?
Much like others I followed the area where Tom Kaye thought the money find was located but after looking into the actual location based on helicopter video and still shots I came to the conclusion that the location Tom had was too far south from the actual location. this was as far back as 2015.
If the diatoms tell the right story the dredge can be ruled out.
Eric is correct on the location and believe my evidence told him the same...
The money location is nowhere near the spoils..
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