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Bruce A. Smith:
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I was in tears, crying in my beer, when I saw all of them had to share a search page with Blevins' "Into the Blast".. ...This must not stand!


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Dealing with Blevins is like dealing with unvaxxed family members at Thanksgiving. Ya learn to live with them and stay at the other end of the house.

377:
Dudeman is right in that you can hear jumpers exiting from most jumpships but the phenomena on the DC 9 was substantially different. It caught my attention immediately. It was a THUNK, felt in my stomach and heard by my ears. Seemed to be of a lower frequency and higher energy than the noise you hear from a side exit in e.g. a Twin Otter or Cessna Caravan.

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dudeman17:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginIt's pretty obvious the stairs were not locked down. someone from the crew would have to go in the back to raise them before they landed.

I don't believe the stairs slammed shut either, it was a smooth lift upward enough to cause pressure to get back into the cabin.

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I agree with that. I'm not saying I believe Edwards when he says they were locked down, I'm just curious how he fleshes that out. He is reportedly very detailed, so if he has the stairs being locked down, then he would have to account for the pressure bump and, as you say, the landing. Supposedly he also says that he doesn't think that the crew would feel a pressure bump through a closed door. But they did in fact report it, so I dunno why he would even question that. Does he think they're lying?

You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginDudeman is right in that you can hear jumpers exiting from most jumpships but the phenomena on the DC 9 was substantially different. It caught my attention immediately. It was a THUNK, felt in my stomach and heard by my ears. Seemed to be of a lower frequency and higher energy than the noise you hear from a side exit in e.g. a Twin Otter or Cessna Caravan.

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Possibly in part due to the much higher airspeed? Also, possibly a somewhat different dynamic being a rear exit, as opposed to a side door, and a much smaller door than say a skyvan or other tailgate exit more commonly used by jumpers. Did you feel a pressure effect in your ears?

Shutter:
The wind load will prevent the locking of the stairs. the crew mentions the lights that show they were not locked. the tower seen the plane come in with the stairs partially down. I'm not sure how he comes to that conclusion..

I believe the jumps are different in the DC-9. the stairs were removed and they had a running jump out of the plane. a body takes up a lot of the opening vs a small parachute being tossed. it's apples and oranges IMO.

Pressure will seek out any crack, hole or opening. the plane was sealed until the breach of the stairs. the pressure will get to the cockpit easily since the door is not sealed. I'm guessing all around the frame of the door and space at the bottom to the floor that will allow pressure to enter.

snowmman:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginoh, I get it now.

It's like all the reviews you see on Amazon, where someone got something for free.
It's like everyone got complimentary copies?
Now I understand why it's a great book...:)
And why apparently it's difficult to write a description of what makes it "great"

So far, I've just heard that it has wrong information, apparently.  (restating Tom's Ti work, with no confirmation or okay from Tom?)

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The reviews on Amazon almost always include the phrase "Verified Purchase" at the top of the review.  Translating from the Greek, this means that the reviewer purchased the book being reviewed.

Snowmman, for unknown reasons terms like "ego problems", "sour grapes", etc., etc., come to mind when reading some of your recent posts.  Have you and Georger actually read or even seen the book?

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I pondered this post.
Ran it thru the allusion AI, in English, Greek and Romanian.
Travelled to Moldova and asked the street-food vendors for their take on it.
Posted on Instagram and Tiktok. Nothing.

Basically all gave the same answer "What grapes were had?, sour or otherwise?"

Did someone get grapes? What grapes were gotten and in what form?

I'll cop to the claim of "ego", but unclear how that's a bad thing or how it applies to the proposed grapes.
Is said "ego" blinding me from the "grapes" in plain view?

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