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The Cooper Vortex Podcast
snowmman:
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Register or LoginWell then I guess the question would be - If you pull off the hijacking in the metaverse, do you get to keep the money? Does Dr. Zuck have to give it to you?
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Zuck pays one click at a time, just like every one else.
Hey, magically Bruce's book seems to come up close to the top at Amazon if you search for "db cooper book" now
Sure there's Edwards' book with a "Sponsored" paid ad (who the heck would pay Amazon money to push their DB book? Man, that's signs of a personality defect for sure!)
And then Bruce is below the "Editor's pick" of "Unsolved Case Files: Escape at 10,000 feet" which is a book targeted at 8-12 years old
BUT: other than that, he's just one below Geoffrey Gray's book "Skyjack" which had heavy promotion (NYT bestseller remember! You really have to kiss New York publisher ass to get NYT bestseller list...not saying there's anything wrong with that!)
Geez: just one below all that. You know FER SURE! that means it's a "great book" And Bruce paid nothing (unlike Edwards')
Sure Bruce spent years trudging around listening to bullshit stories from every Tom, Dick and Harry with something to rant about..but that doesn't mean squat!
Even poor Martin Andrade's book from 2016 is trailing Bruce's NEW RELEASE!
The metaverse is your friend. Embrace it. Leave your mind behind.
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I was in tears, crying in my beer, when I saw all of them had to share a search page with Blevins' "Into the Blast".. ...This must not stand!
Robert99:
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Register or LoginWell that raises a couple interesting questions... The crew claimed they felt the pressure bump in their ears. So what was that? That bump was supposedly replicated by the sled test. But I believe I read that the cockpit door was open for that. So a question would be whether the bulkhead doors, especially the cockpit door, was pressure sealed. I could see where it might be, so that if the rest of the cabin lost pressure at altitude, then the cockpit might remain pressurized so that the pilots would stay conscious to fly to a lower altitude. If that's the case, then how would they feel anything pressure related in their ears? Robert99?
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Both the cockpit and cabin would be unpressurized when the aft bulkhead door was open even slightly. So both the cabin and cockpit would be essentially at the ambient 10,000 foot pressure which was about 70 percent of sea-level standard pressure. I'm not sure exactly what effect the aft stairs slamming back into the fuselage would have on the cockpit pressure or any way to determine it. But I will take the crew's word for what they experienced and saw on their instrumentation.
377 has previously posted of his experience in jumping from the aft stairs of a DC-9 which had the stairs removed so that the jumper basically took a dive through the opening from slightly up in the fuselage. If I remember correctly, 377 said that he could tell when a jumper went out by a change in the cabin noise level without looking at the jumper. Perhaps he can elaborate on this noise and any pressure changes he felt.
Another factor in the flight crew's experience was that they had been told that Cooper would probably blow up the plane when he jumped. So if they heard a large bang from the rear of the aircraft they might do some jumping themselves to add to what they were already experiencing.
In my personal opinion, the oscillations were made by Cooper as he was throwing things out and needing to get the stairs down slightly to do that. And that the pressure changes or bumps were caused by the stairs slamming back up into the fuselage.
Chaucer:
The question is or should be: how accurately did the sled test mirror flight 305. Two differences. One, the sled test was at 7000 and Flight 305 was at 10K. Another, in the sled test, the cabin door was open. For Flight 305, it was shut.
dudeman17:
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Register or LoginWell that raises a couple interesting questions... The crew claimed they felt the pressure bump in their ears. So what was that? That bump was supposedly replicated by the sled test. But I believe I read that the cockpit door was open for that. So a question would be whether the bulkhead doors, especially the cockpit door, was pressure sealed. I could see where it might be, so that if the rest of the cabin lost pressure at altitude, then the cockpit might remain pressurized so that the pilots would stay conscious to fly to a lower altitude. If that's the case, then how would they feel anything pressure related in their ears? Robert99?
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Both the cockpit and cabin would be unpressurized when the aft bulkhead door was open even slightly. So both the cabin and cockpit would be essentially at the ambient 10,000 foot pressure which was about 70 percent of sea-level standard pressure. I'm not sure exactly what effect the aft stairs slamming back into the fuselage would have on the cockpit pressure or any way to determine it. But I will take the crew's word for what they experienced and saw on their instrumentation.
377 has previously posted of his experience in jumping from the aft stairs of a DC-9 which had the stairs removed so that the jumper basically took a dive through the opening from slightly up in the fuselage. If I remember correctly, 377 said that he could tell when a jumper went out by a change in the cabin noise level without looking at the jumper. Perhaps he can elaborate on this noise and any pressure changes he felt.
Another factor in the flight crew's experience was that they had been told that Cooper would probably blow up the plane when he jumped. So if they heard a large bang from the rear of the aircraft they might do some jumping themselves to add to what they were already experiencing.
In my personal opinion, the oscillations were made by Cooper as he was throwing things out and needing to get the stairs down slightly to do that. And that the pressure changes or bumps were caused by the stairs slamming back up into the fuselage.
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Thank you for the answer. I'm familiar with the sound, that happens in pretty much any jump plane, you can hear the wind flow changes as people exit. But since it doesn't come anywhere near 'sealing' the whole of the door, it doesn't really create any noticeable pressure effect. That the cockpit door is not pressure sealed from the rest of the cabin is kind of the operative issue here. The crew reported the 'pressure bump', and that was replicated in the sled tests, so that would pretty much have to be a result of the door rebounding from Coop's jump. The original question was about Edwards' claim that the stairs were locked down, which would prevent them from rebounding. So if that was the case, what else could possibly cause the pressure bump? Not clear if he has an answer for that.
As for your 3rd paragraph - What's that old crude joke ending in " 'So did you jump?' 'A little, at first.' " hehe
Shutter:
It's pretty obvious the stairs were not locked down. someone from the crew would have to go in the back to raise them before they landed.
I don't believe the stairs slammed shut either, it was a smooth lift upward enough to cause pressure to get back into the cabin.
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