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JimmyCalhoun1991:
I've always been inclined to believe the witnesses and really focus on the finer details of what they said. Florence Schaffner in 1988 on Unsolved Mysteries always lingers in my mind "the sketches never really looked like him, it's still STRONG in my mind, I still see him...wide forehead, narrow face the hair was wrong..."
I produced an article under the suspects thread last night which has an interview with ticketing agent Hal Williams, holding Bing Crosby sketch, claiming "the hair was wrong, it never looked exactly like him."
Kind of a bummer, but that's precisely why the FBI conjured up several more sketches as quickly as possible. For my money, I realize it was some 15-16 years later, I think the Unsolved Mysteries sketch is probably most accurate. Schaffner says "it's strong in my mind," and I have to believe her. This is not a witness who is drawing a blank, stammering and trying to remember details. The sketch also really reflect the hijackers age, which was speculated by all but one to be "middle aged", "mid-40s."
If we simply discount the only people who ever saw the SOB, what are we even doing here? Where do we start from? Do we start from a cleared suspect and then begin systemically discounting all the known facts that do not align with our suspect? In DB Cooper world, that seems by many to be the order of the day. The arrogance in just dismissing key eyewitnesses as being wrong based on zero evidence is always stunning to me. "oh, he didn't look like MY suspect? Plfft, what do they know, they're mistaken/wrong/incompetent and I know much better because I'm an amateur detective."
Bruce A. Smith:
An additional thought: the sketch that Flo commissioned in the 1980s is so wildly different than Composite A or B that I wonder about Flo's capacity for accuracy. It would be interesting to sit down with her and review each detail of her sketch and see why she feels it is an accurate portrayal of DBC.
Also, a small side note: I do not recall hearing that Flo made any kind of announcement that she wasn't going to talk to any DBC investigators. In my experience with her, she simply stopped responding, circa 2008. Not even Jo Weber could make contact with her, post 2008. Her last communication that I'm aware of was with Geoffrey Gray, and also in separate phone calls, Galen Cook - both in 2008.
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Register or LoginHispanic? That's speculation on my part if I indeed said that. I am saying confidently is that the guy was "Latin American or possibly confused as being Latin american." Why? Because every witness, including the ticketing agent, said "dark complexion," or "appeared Latin American." That's a big clue. These are people in Mucklow's case who spent hours with the guy. Larry Carr, who before ever handling the case thought it be McCoy, stated the eyewitnesses "immediately dismissed McCoy," continuing to state "they took one glance and said "nope, not him ." Carr then realized oh, it's actually not Richard McCoy. But I mean, what do two generations of FBI agents and the people who actually saw the man for hours know? Right? I'm sure they were all wrong, all hundred or so of them (decades of case agents all the eyewitnesses).
Larry Carr also stated "the flight attendants we're asked if the man was wearing any make up or any kind of disguise," to which they replied "No." This was all in a recent interview with Carr, available on YouTube.
Larry Carr had an impeccable, decades long career in the FBI. In law enforcement for decades. By claiming we can't dismiss McCoy, we are saying the best detective agency in the world is totally wrong and has been wrong for decades, and also that eyewitnesses do not matter at all, and that they are all wrong, and that's it's actually some random amateur detective who is correct, not 50 years of detectives. Why would we believe Carr or all the rest are wrong? What evidence exists pointing to McCoy? Because he did something similar? Because it's convenient for an old, long ago dismissed suspect? I just don't get the logic. We rule people out, it's just that simple. Why? So there can be clearly defined parameters for investigations and so we have something to work from. Of we just randomly, with zero evidence, dismiss decades of FBI work, what are we even doing here?
FBI/Eyewitnesses= McCoy is not Cooper.
Good enough for me, next.
On a personal note, I see zero resemblance to the artist rendering. Zero. Also, Peterson has been definitively eliminated, I believe. Besides, he was a Norwood 6 baldy and had blue eyes. Again, if we are willing to simply discard all the eyewitness testimony, what are we doing?
All that said, you're free to believe whatever you like. Don't allow me to stand in your way (you're in the Cooper universe so surely you will not). It's fun grappling over these same issues all the time, kind of. Sidenote, I'm in Washougal working today, I'll let you know if I see a parachute.
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You want to hang your hat on eye witness's? Do you? What about Richard McCoy's family immediately identifying the tie and the pearl clip as Richards? What about that? And Tina never saw him well without the sun glass's. At least not after they knew he was a skyjacker. Flo is a horrible witness who wants nothing to do with any of this. Im going to toss her testimony to the win. One thing I will say for Ulis's fav suspect, he looks very much like the sketch. Sheridan. McCoy had the toughness and training to make it out of those woods regardless of weather as he was former Green Beret. That counts for something. So I will just stick with the tie for now. You certainly are not going to use Himelbach are you? LOL. What a joke. And the Reno FBI is not the LA or NY FBI. Jurisdictions MATTER. They were like Mayberry RFD
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Ullis no longer believes Sheridan to be Cooper. He moved off of his suspect once he realized it wasn't him. That's rare in the vortex (both are rare, moving on from a suspect, and admitting you were wrong about a suspect).
Tina was with Cooper for several hours. Stood beside him. Put Coopers height at a few inches taller than her, while she herself was the same height, maybe even slightly taller than McCoy. Try as you may, you simply cannot disregard the description of the person who spent hours with the guy.
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McCoy was not immediately put in front of them. It was months later he pulled off the LA skyjacking and then was arrested, I believe two days later. It had to be after that that Flo was shown McCoy. Not right away. And FBI agent Callum still believes Cooper was McCoy. So there you have a very intelligent FBI agent that holds the belief that it was McCoy. And I believe you are blowing the skin thing out of proportion. He was always believed to be Caucasian. OK, Olive skin . I have never heard of Olive skin before this. But it does not mean he was black or hispanic. They suspected he could be Canadian? The comic books just cannot be a coincidence.
Jack:
""So there you have A VERY INTELLIGENT FBI AGENT that holds the belief that it was McCoy.""
Assuming someone is very intelligent because they possess a law enforcement badge, fbi or whatever, is like saying a priest would never be capable of harming a child because they possess a badge from God.
Here is a 302 with Mccoy vs Cooper comparison.
How anyone with a reasonable mind could think mccoy was Cooper is beyond fantastical in my opinion.
DBfan57:
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Register or Login""So there you have A VERY INTELLIGENT FBI AGENT that holds the belief that it was McCoy.""
Assuming someone is very intelligent because they possess a law enforcement badge, fbi or whatever, is like saying a priest would never be capable of harming a child because they possess a badge from God.
Here is a 302 with Mccoy vs Cooper comparison.
How anyone with a reasonable mind could think mccoy was Cooper is beyond fantastical in my opinion.
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Wow I have a newbie coming for me. The oldies are fed up with anyone with my opinion, which is not 100% as I have stated. I am watching this "new" show on Netflix. I like Mr Grey alot. Smart guy. I do not care for another guy that thinks he is smart. I am sure I will have to see him on here soon enough. I do not yet know this, oh, up pop the devil already. i should have known.
The more you guys shoot McCoy out of the water based on eye witness testimony, the more I believe it was him. Its just weak Nice try rookie
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