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General Questions About The Case
DBfan57:
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Register or LoginHelp out here, Kari. Please.
What detective? Name? Town?
Anything we can follow-up on and corroborate?
As for not getting back your photograph from the FBI, welcome to the club. The Bureau fucks with anyone and everyone. It's their nature. The Bigger Question is WHY you gave them your only copy of a very significant piece of evidence. What the hell were you thinking?
Also, Kari, your stream-of-consciousness writing is tough to read, especially for guys like me with 71-year-old eye balls. Perhaps using Word to help clean up your text would be helpful, or install the free Grammarly processing app.
Regardless, thanks for posting here, and welcome to DB Cooper World.
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Bruce. Hope you are safe out there? Lots of reports of mass fires from the heat wave? Stay safe
Bruce A. Smith:
Fortunately, DF, we in this part of Cooper Country are the recipients of cool, onshore maritime winds, which are blowing British Columbian smoke eastwards towards the rest of Canada. Oregonian and Californian smoke is likewise being blown elsewhere.
Thank Gawd.
At last report, BC has 300 forest fires burning, while northern Cali has started its fire season with three major fires. SoCal also has a fair number of fires burning.
Chaucer:
Here’s a question to ponder, and one that perhaps Tom Kaye would address…
How do we know that the amount and type of rare earth metals (pure titanium, cerium, strontium, etc) are unusual for that surface? Is it possible that everyone collects those types of metals in that quantity just naturally? Was there ever a control?
In other words, how do we know that Cooper’s tie is uncommon and that other men weren’t walking around with the same levels on their ties?
fcastle866:
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Register or LoginHere’s a question to ponder, and one that perhaps Tom Kaye would address…
How do we know that the amount and type of rare earth metals (pure titanium, cerium, strontium, etc) are unusual for that surface? Is it possible that everyone collects those types of metals in that quantity just naturally? Was there ever a control?
In other words, how do we know that Cooper’s tie is uncommon and that other men weren’t walking around with the same levels on their ties?
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You're right. We don't. I had a discussion about this less than 48 hours ago with a friend on the phone. Are you Mark Zuckerberg?? :)
Tom told a story of a Boeing engineer showing him a tie that was many years old. Tom looked at the tie under a microscope and found it to be pretty pristine. This is the only "control" that I've heard of. This could be a good topic for someone to research. What do other articles of clothing look like under a microscope? Does a high school chemistry teacher's tie look anything like Coopers? I would think a lawyer's tie or a doctor's tie might not, but what about someone in a shop environment?
The tie is great evidence, but what if we've put so much weight on its value just because we have such a lack of other evidence? I agree that having "control" items might be helpful. Even if we sample items from 2021, we could see what different industry's clothing looks like. As I remember, the pollen on the tie sent some people on a wild goose chase to South Africa or somewhere like that. Could the titanium and rare earth elements be doing the same? Cooper could have hated management and used the tie as a prop. Or he could have just needed it for his costume and got hold of it somewhere along the line.
The FBI did not announce anything about the tie until around 1994 (I think). I still wonder what might have been had they shown the tie and the tie pin to the public in 1971.
Chaucer:
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Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginHere’s a question to ponder, and one that perhaps Tom Kaye would address…
How do we know that the amount and type of rare earth metals (pure titanium, cerium, strontium, etc) are unusual for that surface? Is it possible that everyone collects those types of metals in that quantity just naturally? Was there ever a control?
In other words, how do we know that Cooper’s tie is uncommon and that other men weren’t walking around with the same levels on their ties?
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You're right. We don't. I had a discussion about this less than 48 hours ago with a friend on the phone. Are you Mark Zuckerberg?? :)
Tom told a story of a Boeing engineer showing him a tie that was many years old. Tom looked at the tie under a microscope and found it to be pretty pristine. This is the only "control" that I've heard of. This could be a good topic for someone to research. What do other articles of clothing look like under a microscope? Does a high school chemistry teacher's tie look anything like Coopers? I would think a lawyer's tie or a doctor's tie might not, but what about someone in a shop environment?
The tie is great evidence, but what if we've put so much weight on its value just because we have such a lack of other evidence? I agree that having "control" items might be helpful. Even if we sample items from 2021, we could see what different industry's clothing looks like. As I remember, the pollen on the tie sent some people on a wild goose chase to South Africa or somewhere like that. Could the titanium and rare earth elements be doing the same? Cooper could have hated management and used the tie as a prop. Or he could have just needed it for his costume and got hold of it somewhere along the line.
The FBI did not announce anything about the tie until around 1994 (I think). I still wonder what might have been had they shown the tie and the tie pin to the public in 1971.
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I’m not Mark Zuckerberg, but I am Edward Snowden, and I’d suggest you delete all of that Japanese squid porn from your computer immediately.
Seriously though, another thing to consider is chain of custody with the tie. I’ve heard anecdotes from people involved in the case that agents were wearing the tie as a gag at Halloween parties over the decades.
But I would like to know if other industries besides metal fabrication or metallurgy or metal research and development could be responsible for the tie particles. Could a mechanic or someone working in an auto body shop accumulate those particles? Could a high school science teacher? Could a door to door vacuum cleaner salesman?
My opinion is that the titanium is being used too frequently as a gatekeeper for suspects and perhaps that gate is too narrow or even unnecessary.
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