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Register or LoginI’ve searched uselessly for it, so could someone tell me where I can find the weather data from the night of the hijacking that Tom Kaye produced, please?
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Specifically, which of Hominid's 198 posts in your link are you talking about?
I am staying out of this. Its endless and pointless. Certain parties are going to hold onto their claims no matter what - to the end of Life.
If you want Tom Kaye docs write Tom Kaye!
If you want previous wx posts go to DZ. Search Hominid, who R99 disagreed with. Hom used Carr's FBI wx files Carr provided. Here is one of them. There are many pages... Carr turned to Hominid for interpretation and advice in the wx matter using original wx docs. Hom copied me with all docs and the conversations....
Beyond that this discussion is as pointless as antlers on a Miller Lite! Except to say the orig docs still exist. Posting limits here prevent posting any of them ...
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Actually, I was hoping to see Kaye's weather info because of another avenue of inquiry I'm pursuing and not the one currently being discussed here. I had heard that Tom had put together weather data of all the Pacific Northwest. I assumed that info was publicly available, but couldn't find it.
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I know that Weather Underground does have historical weather data, but that is for the ground only and not winds aloft, correct?
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My recollection is nobody ever found wind data for 10K feet. Again ask Kaye to share some of his data with you. Or find old posts at DZ about the weather.
Based on everyone's work, I think the weather 'that day' is a complex regional story. Except for R99, its a subject nobody wants to be pinned down about. Read Hominid's post at DZ for an overview.
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Tom Kaye has posted here (or at least a link to it) the NOAA measured data for the winds aloft on the day of the hijacking in the Portland/Seattle area. And the altitudes covered goes well above 10,000 feet.
The forecast winds aloft for the Portland area were prepared and disseminated by the National Weather Service and the FAA. The actual measured winds aloft were slightly greater than forecast and they were from the southwest.
Do you have a link to the so-called "overview" that you say Hominid posted on DropZone that contradicts the above.
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Some of Hom's and some of your DZ posts, and some of Shutter's posts are here: You are not allowed to view links.
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Hominid was critical of your placard analysis.
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Chaucer:
Well, I'm confused.
First, Weather Underground only has weather data from the Portland airport from the night of the hijacking. That data suggests that at 7pm the wind was blowing from the southeast at 5mph and shifted to blowing from the SSW at 12mph by 10pm. This would probably suggest that at the time Cooper bailed the wind was also blowing 5+mph from the SOUTH.
I can't find any weather or wind data between Portland airport and SeaTac. Nothing near where the placard was found. Nothing near Cinebar. Nothing near Ariel.
SeaTac's weather data also has the wind blowing from the south at 7pm but also shifting and blowing from the SOUTHEAST at 14mph.
My point is that I cannot find any substantial weather data for the route south between Seattle and Portland, and what data I did find suggests that the wind was blowing from the south or southeast and didn't shift to the SSW until after Cooper jumped.
That's why I am eager to find more weather data. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this as it has been taken for granted that the wind was blowing from the SSW at the time Cooper jumped.
georger:
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Register or LoginWell, I'm confused.
First, Weather Underground only has weather data from the Portland airport from the night of the hijacking. That data suggests that at 7pm the wind was blowing from the southeast at 5mph and shifted to blowing from the SSW at 12mph by 10pm. This would probably suggest that at the time Cooper bailed the wind was also blowing 5+mph from the SOUTH.
I can't find any weather or wind data between Portland airport and SeaTac. Nothing near where the placard was found. Nothing near Cinebar. Nothing near Ariel.
SeaTac's weather data also has the wind blowing from the south at 7pm but also shifting and blowing from the SOUTHEAST at 14mph.
My point is that I cannot find any substantial weather data for the route south between Seattle and Portland, and what data I did find suggests that the wind was blowing from the south or southeast and didn't shift to the SSW until after Cooper jumped.
That's why I am eager to find more weather data. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this as it has been taken for granted that the wind was blowing from the SSW at the time Cooper jumped.
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Flyjack is now addressing all of 99's and Ulis' claims over at DZ: from Tie to Winds to Kaye data etc:
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DBfan57:
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Register or LoginWell, I'm confused.
First, Weather Underground only has weather data from the Portland airport from the night of the hijacking. That data suggests that at 7pm the wind was blowing from the southeast at 5mph and shifted to blowing from the SSW at 12mph by 10pm. This would probably suggest that at the time Cooper bailed the wind was also blowing 5+mph from the SOUTH.
I can't find any weather or wind data between Portland airport and SeaTac. Nothing near where the placard was found. Nothing near Cinebar. Nothing near Ariel.
SeaTac's weather data also has the wind blowing from the south at 7pm but also shifting and blowing from the SOUTHEAST at 14mph.
My point is that I cannot find any substantial weather data for the route south between Seattle and Portland, and what data I did find suggests that the wind was blowing from the south or southeast and didn't shift to the SSW until after Cooper jumped.
That's why I am eager to find more weather data. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this as it has been taken for granted that the wind was blowing from the SSW at the time Cooper jumped.
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Being it was 1971, no internet or computers, you are probably at the mercy of one guy drinking coffee trying to get out of there for Thanksgiving and not really doing the job accurately at a time many wish they had accurate info. The wind direction and velocity could really give a clue as to what he was up against and if he had better chance of avoiding the water if he indeed was near it? Which we do not really know. The money seems to make people believe that he was near the water I suppose.
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Flyjack is now addressing all of 99's and Ulis' claims over at DZ: from Tie to Winds to Kaye data etc:
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Who gives a damn what he says?
Now if he wants to man-up and debate LIVE on Darren's podcast, I'm down with that. But of course, that's not as easy as gas lighting everything from a computer screen in Canada.
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