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Flight Path And Related Issues
Shutter:
They were given the freedom of the sky, regardless of the airway. I believe Georger mentions bypassing PDX on the west side. they were west of a majority of population. you would have to fly over the ocean to avoid any kind of collateral damage. they were right over Vancouver, Toledo etc. not just Portland. I'm not sold they were that worried about the plane exploding or they would have diverted completely away from population.
Such simple questions to Rat could resolve this. many have spoken with him and fail to clear this up.
As mentioned above, the crew could of plotted the course out in less than a few minutes if they flew as straight as you claim.
I don't believe they mixed up the fighter jets with 305 either as Eric has mentioned. the SAGE tags every plane that is in the sky, 305 was in the air first and tracked prior to the jets.
Chaucer:
The Portland ATC told the FBI that 305 was east of PDX.
The Troutdale ATC said that 305 was west of PDX.
I'd be curious of the timing of these reports because both are correct.
Kermit:
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Register or LoginThe Portland ATC told the FBI that 305 was east of PDX.
The Troutdale ATC said that 305 was west of PDX.
I'd be curious of the timing of these reports because both are correct.
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In 1962 a United Airlines DC 8 mistakingly landed at the Small Troutdale Airport !
Troutdale Airport is about 10 miles East of PDX !
You could imagine the bewilderment of the passengers and crew to realize where this huge Jet had managed to land.
Needless to say it wasn’t a easy task to land on this short runway and then again to take off.
I have landed at Troutdale several times and it’s scary to think about landing a huge Jet with 81 passengers aboard.
Shutter:
305 is east of PDX for less than a minute and on the west side of PDX with zero question by using the sectional map plots.
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--- Quote ---For the record, Flyjack's red line can also be dismissed. At several points, the airliner is about 3 nautical miles from the centerline of V-23. Other things being equal, aircraft are expected to stay on the centerline of Victor airways and there is a regulation stating that. If the flight crew couldn't keep the aircraft on the centerline, then their autopilot certainly could. Even the simplest wing leveler in a Cessna 150 could do that.
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That's not the case in the matter, they were given the sky in order to keep everyone safe. most regulations went out the door with this problem. I believe they are expected to stay within the boundaries, unless in controlled airspace. why have them 8 miles wide?
Unless authorized by ATC, to operate an aircraft within controlled airspace under IFR, pilots must either fly ALONG the centerline when on a Federal airway or, on routes other than Federal airways, along the direct course between NAVAIDs or fixes defining the route
Just because a simple route can be layed out certainly doesn't imply that's what occurred? none of the crew said anything about why they would be looking miles away from where they actually were, or mention how simple they could layout the path within several minutes..
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It is certainly true that the airliner crew were told they could make any deviation necessary to V-23 and that ATC would keep other aircraft out of their way. But that does not explain why they were wandering so far from the V-23 centerline, particularly in the Portland area.
South of Portland, the airliner would almost certainly want to stay on the centerline of V-23 due to concerns with the MOCA (Minimum Obstacle Clearance Altitude) and MCA (Minimum Communications Altitude) among other things. In some segments of V-23, 10,000 is the minimum altitude that any aircraft could meet those minimums. Even in the Portland area, the MCA for the Malay Intersection is 9500 feet.
Just staying on the centerline of V-23 does not require a superhuman effort. If the airliner wanted to bypass Portland with what they thought was a bomb onboard, the west side would be the logical choice. Even now Georger has admitted that his sources, apparently including FBI agents, were saying 10 years ago that the airliner bypassed Portland on the west side.
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It was reported that the plane remained on autopilot and that kept them on V-23? Is that incorrect? That is what they state on some of the shows on the case, done by for instance, National Geographic who are pretty respected.
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