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Robert99:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginMore old thoughts on Vancouver Lake, which again are interesting if you're going to talk about flood movements

June 8, 2008
(this might be the most interesting alternative?)

First: Land in Vancouver Lake. Then:

Money drain towards/down (edit) Lake River on the N side of Vancouver Lake, but take a quick turn and travel ~2 miles down the faint creek I've outlined in the attached.

It may have been more substantial in '71 before. Note it's still there, just doesn't connect to (edit) Lake River. It may have connected in the past, or during flood situations. I've also attached a topo map that shows the faint creek across Shilapoo Lake area (current map, may be different in '71)

nicely, it goes right toward Tena Bar. The '96 info tells us flooding can get water to Lower River Rd. (I'm not sure if that's Lower River Rd on the E side of Shillapoo, or the NW leg that's right next to Tena Bar)

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Vancouver Lake is a large lake just west of Vancouver, Washington, United States, north of the Columbia River and Portland, Oregon), south of Ridgefield, Washington and the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge.

The lake is very shallow, with a maximum depth of 12-15 ft and a mean depth of less than 3 ft. There is an island in the northern half of the lake. The island was formed from tailings of an Army Corps of Engineers dredging project, which dredged around the perimeter of the lake in the early 1980s. Lake River flows from the north shore to the Columbia River near Ridgefield, Washington. Due to seasonal variation in relative river and lake levels, Lake River experiences intermittent flow reversal and flows into Vancouver Lake for considerable periods of time.

The sources for Vancouver Lake's water include a flushing channel (equipped wth tidal gates to control flows) from the Columbia river near the SW shoreline and Burnt Bridge Creek on the NE shoreline, which winds about ten miles through many of the city's residential areas. Until the 1980s this creek was neglected and a major source of pollution for the lake.

Lower River Road leads west out of Vancouver to a park on the shore of Vancouver Lake which includes a large swimming area. A trail leads to Frenchman's Bar Park on the nearby Columbia River.

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Snowmman, like most everything else Cooper related, your last several posts regurgitates some information that is not accurate. 

As has been pointed out many times before, the Northwest Lower River Road is built on top of a levee.  In the Tena Bar area, everything on the East side of that levee/road drains into Vancouver Lake and then North down Lake River for about 15 miles where it joins the Columbia River.  Everything on the West side of that levee/road drains straight into the Columbia River.

The Flushing Channel is quite small and I have never seen a drop of water in it.  It is so small that you may not even notice it when you drive over it.

snowmman:
I think, Robert99, your posts would be more lively if you used words like "vomit" rather than regurgitate.
Know your audience!

Chaucer:
Bob,
I know there are issues with the timing of the plot points on the FBI map. My point of discussion is Flight 305 being 23 nautical miles south of BTG VTC at 8:18. This would put the plane near or over the Columbia at the supposed time of the jump. I think a great many people in the Vortex would be surprised that this detail is now fact and not worthy of discussion. It's kind of a big deal, don't you think?

Snow,
Dr. Edwards seems to agree with Sluggo. He writes that over time, the FBI began to use the term "oscillations" in place of the pressure bump. In essence, they confused the two things and therefore confused the two different times. That is why they went with the 8:11 time of the jump because that is when the oscillations were first reported. To his credit, Dr. Edwards lays out a compelling timeline (using the 302s) that shows how the FBI began conflating the oscillations and the pressure bump until, in their minds, they were the same event.

This is something I have been saying ad nauseum for years. The oscillations came first and continued for an undetermined period of time before concluding with a larger, more noticeable pressure "bump". The oscillations were reported by the crew at 8:11/8:12, but the pressure bump has no documented time attached to it. Essentially, we do not have an exact time that Cooper left the aircraft.

Also, and this isn't directly relevant, but Dr. Edwards also calls into question the validity of the sled test and suggests that the conclusion that the pressure bump was caused by DBC jumping may not be accurate. I do not know enough about the science behind Edwards's science to have an opinion on this.

Robert99:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginBob,
I know there are issues with the timing of the plot points on the FBI map. My point of discussion is Flight 305 being 23 nautical miles south of BTG VTC at 8:18. This would put the plane near or over the Columbia at the supposed time of the jump. I think a great many people in the Vortex would be surprised that this detail is now fact and not worthy of discussion. It's kind of a big deal, don't you think?

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Chaucer, the 8:18 PM time at the 23 DME point has been a "fact" since the flight crew said they were at that point and Harrison recorded the time of their transmission as 8:18 PM.  There is nothing further to discuss about it much less argue.

Do you want to argue or "discuss" that the 7:36 PM time of the takeoff from SEATAC is not correct?

Robert99:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI think, Robert99, your posts would be more lively if you used words like "vomit" rather than regurgitate.
Know your audience!

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Do you mean there were too many syllables? :o

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