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Flight Path And Related Issues
Robert99:
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So what are the the Harrison TTY printout rolls produced by ARINC?
No one is saying the HARRISON NOTES were redacted. But the public version of the TTY rolls were redacted ?
BTW, a full OCR version of the TTY roll is available. Have you ever seen it? Huh?
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Georger, you were the one claiming that the Harrison Notes were redacted. The picture you attached above is the ARINC TTY roll that was loaned to WSHM along with other items. The WSHM digital group analyzed that roll and determined that portions of it had been redacted.
If you know of a "full OCR version of the TTY roll", then get in touch with the WSHM and I am sure that they would like to get a copy for their Cooper exhibit.
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So what are the the Harrison TTY printout rolls produced by ARINC?
No one is saying the HARRISON NOTES were redacted. But the public version of the TTY rolls were redacted ?
BTW, a full OCR version of the TTY roll is available. Have you ever seen it? Huh?
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Georger, you were the one claiming that the Harrison Notes were redacted. The picture you attached above is the ARINC TTY roll that was loaned to WSHM along with other items. The WSHM digital group analyzed that roll and determined that portions of it had been redacted.
If you know of a "full OCR version of the TTY roll", then get in touch with the WSHM and I am sure that they would like to get a copy for their Cooper exhibit.
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OK.
DBfan57:
Wish I could find the recent post by the member who said he is a skydiver and believes Cooper made it UNLESS HE LANDED IN THE WATER? Why do many believe he could not have survived a water landing? I have heard often that these chutes can be used as floatation devices in emergency water landings? This was not near Buffalo in my neck of the woods and even if he landed in Lake Ontario or the Niagara River in November he would have a fighting chance, assuming he can swim? This River, the Colombia does not look so daunting to me. if he landed in the dead middle of that lake? Then his chances are not as good. But I do not know the dimensions or how big it is. I doubt its as big as Ontario and I wonder if you can see land from any point of it? My opinion is and will remain, he made it until proven otherwise. Is he still alive? Totally different question. Id give him about a 30-40% chance.
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Register or LoginWish I could find the recent post by the member who said he is a skydiver and believes Cooper made it UNLESS HE LANDED IN THE WATER? Why do many believe he could not have survived a water landing? I have heard often that these chutes can be used as floatation devices in emergency water landings? This was not near Buffalo in my neck of the woods and even if he landed in Lake Ontario or the Niagara River in November he would have a fighting chance, assuming he can swim? This River, the Colombia does not look so daunting to me. if he landed in the dead middle of that lake? Then his chances are not as good. But I do not know the dimensions or how big it is. I doubt its as big as Ontario and I wonder if you can see land from any point of it? My opinion is and will remain, he made it until proven otherwise. Is he still alive? Totally different question. Id give him about a 30-40% chance.
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Having a parachute on in the water is tough. Add in moving water, cold, nighttime, then his chances of surviving are low. But still no body, no money, no missing persons. My issue with people talking about a water landing is over simple math. The possible land area he could have landed on versus the possible water area is a ratio of maybe 10 to 1, maybe more. Even if he jumped right over the Columbia, he still would have much more of a chance of landing on land than water. I've posted the pic before, but all one has to do is look at Google Maps of the area and see that the water makes up a small portion of the area. If it were Minnesota with all the lakes, then maybe there is a higher chance.
Robert99:
FlyJack is making some claims over at DropZone that relate to the flight path, but not in the way he thinks. FJ claims that in a DVD Rataczak states that Cooper jumped 28 miles north of Portland (presumably the Portland International Airport). According to the so-called FBI map, which FJ believes to be correct, that would place the jump point at the 8:07 PM point on the map. This does not support the NWA flight crew's estimate of an 8:11 PM jump time. And if the 8:11 PM jump time is correct, and other sources indicate it is as close as can be determined, then the FBI flight path can not be correct.
FJ also claims that the airliner was visually following I-5 south at Cooper's orders. FJ apparently does not understand VORTAC radio navigation and completely ignores the weather which prevented the airliner crew from even seeing ground objects since they were above an overcast and several additional cloud layers.
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