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Bruce A. Smith:
Podcaster from CC21

This podcast is from an outfit known as "Death in the West," and they focus on the history of the west via true crime. Hence DBC and McCoy.

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The host is named Zach and I stole half his beer when he got up from our booth to head to the head before interviewing Bill Mitchell. He seems to have forgiven me.... BTW: Chatting with Bill was delightful. More details came forth from him:

1. He and many passengers did not move forward until final approach. He did see Tina bring the money aft.
2. Tina carried the money bag in front of her, clutching it with two hands and holding it torso-high. Bill did not see a hand-off from any men in the forward part of the plane as described by Finegold and MacPherson.
3. Bill did not see any "scuffle" or argumentation in mid-cabin as described in 302s and other passengers, such as MacPherson.
4. Currently, he is not looking at any pix of suspects, saying that it was too long ago and his memory is too fuzzy to be able to make such an important determination. He turned down a request from Ron and Pat Forman to take a look at Barb.

Robert99:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginPodcaster from CC21

This podcast is from an outfit known as "Death in the West," and they focus on the history of the west via true crime. Hence DBC and McCoy.

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The host is named Zach and I stole half his beer when he got up from our booth to head to the head before interviewing Bill Mitchell. He seems to have forgiven me.... BTW: Chatting with Bill was delightful. More details came forth from him:

1. He and many passengers did not move forward until final approach. He did see Tina bring the money aft.
2. Tina carried the money bag in front of her, clutching it with two hands and holding it torso-high. Bill did not see a hand-off from any men in the forward part of the plane as described by Finegold and MacPherson.
3. Bill did not see any "scuffle" or argumentation in mid-cabin as described in 302s and other passengers, such as MacPherson.
4. Currently, he is not looking at any pix of suspects, saying that it was too long ago and his memory is too fuzzy to be able to make such an important determination. He turned down a request from Ron and Pat Forman to take a look at Barb.

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Bruce, did Ammerman make any comments about the long periods of silence in the ATC transcripts during the time he was the controller?

Bruce A. Smith:
Not that I heard.

Along those lines, Cliff said that he only spoke twice to 305 directly. Once when he took over the flight from the previous ATC, and the second time was when he asked 305 for identification as he prepared to hand them off to the ATC south of him.

Eric might know more as he spent a lot of time with Cliff on and off the stage.

DBfan57:
Dan Gryder's video, "DB Cooper Mystery Solved?",  its compelling as hell.  McCoy's daughter comes across to me as very credible.  Now I know many of  you do not want to hear this. Sure, I like the mystery myself, and a part of me hopes its never solved.  Officially its never going to be.  Or at least forensically.  So Gryder believes he could not have held on to the money and pulled the rip chord?  And that he dropped it in the river.  Thus he goes back and robs another one.  His wife was in on it according to Gryder.  Well I am sure you have all watched it If not, you should watch it.  He does a fabulous job of putting this show together.  That much you cant deny.  So I am at least back on the fence as far as Richard Floyd McCoy.  Maybe we find Bigfoot before we find the money.  Ask Kay if the money were in the water, in a chute, would there be anything left of it?  I find McCoy's daughter not only very hot, but very credible.

andrade1812:
Re: McCoy

Where's the parachute?
What alias did McCoy use when he flew into and out of PDX?
Where did he actually land?
Where did he buy the tie?
Why did the Grad Student lie to the FBI about seeing McCoy on Thanksgiving?
How did McCoy fake the nicotine stains on his hand?
How did McCoy hide his accent and lisp from Tina for five hours?
How did McCoy hide his ears?
Why didn't any witness ID him?
Which parachute did he take?
What color was the container?
What color was the parachute?
Why did he take the non-functional reserve instead of the working reserve?
How long did it take him to plan this hijacking?
How did he know the 727 could fly with the stairs down?
How did he know the stairs wouldn't lock?
Why did he jump in the Pacific Northwest when he had no familiarity with the terrain and geography?
Why was he so calm and cool on 305 and such a hot mess on UAL?
How did he try to tie the money to himself?
What flight did he take to and from PDX? What airline?
When did he make the bomb? What was it made out of? Why did he change from a bomb to a gun and a grenade?
How about a handwriting sample from McCoy?
Why Bourbon and 7up?
How did the wife help? Specifically, what did she do?
When did he start skydiving? Where are his jump documents or cards?
How come there's no picture of him wearing the tie with the tie clip?
What shoes was he wearing? Do we have pictures of him in those shoes?
Why was he wearing loafers?

Etc etc

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