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Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
JAG:
If he has a treasure trove of evidence, great--but what is he waiting for? Although I m relatively new the vortex, by all accounts it took years to produce that video and at the end of the day, there was not hard evidence presented to back up the claims.
Maybe Dan will present something that will be convincing. But the thing is, you don't really need a treasure trove of evidence, you just need one thing that is irrefutable.
Robert99:
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Register or LoginUnless McCoy's sister in law and kids are all colluding in some money-making scheme, I consider the case closed. I may not be the best judge of character, but listening to the sister, and watching the McCoy kids tell their story on video, I'm convinced they are not colluding for cash, but simply getting the story off their chest with zero ulterior motive. All of the other "whataboutisms" can be easily dismissed. The hard evidence is first-hand testimony. Apparently, Gryder has an additional trove of "case closing" evidence that will be presented at some future date, and I trust he does. Case. Closed.
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If Dan Gryder solved the case, how come no media picked up on it? Previous second hand confessions got a lot more attention. Why is it that none of the people who have extensive knowledge of the case agree with him? Why did Gryder lash out at his critics? What evidence did he present that wasn't in the book The Real McCoy? Why do you believe McCoy's kids, but not LD Cooper's niece or Walt Reca's neice or Duane Weber's widow or Jack Collins' son or Wolfgang Gossett's son or Ted Braden's stepchildren?
I was very aware of the doc before it came out, I had Gryder on my show and had lunch with him a few weeks before it came out. I was excited for it and I watched the live premiere. Hell, I'm even in it. Gryder promised me I'd be convinced he solved the case, and the entire DBC community would agree with him. I'm sure many others here have seen it. There are several people here that have over 10 years of documented involvement in the case and they don't believe Cooper and McCoy are the same person, but you watched one YouTube video and you're confident you know who DB Cooper was? Andrade1812 is the author of one of the best books on the case (Finding DB Cooper, you should probably read it) and is well respected among his peers. You shouldn't dismiss what his work.
I apologize for not being super friendly. Maybe if Gryder hadn't lashed out against me because I wouldn't publicly state he solved the case, I'd feel differently.
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There are people on this site (including me) who think Cooper died in the jump as a no pull. Consequently, anyone who was still breathing after 8:20PM PST on November 24,1971 could not be Cooper.
Parrotheadvol:
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Neither was Kenny Christiansen, but I don't see anyone on any forums claiming he was the hijacker. Well, not anymore.
Seriously, I really enjoyed Dan's video. Going in, I was hoping to be convinced. I didn't know for sure who his suspect was, but I had a very strong feeling it was McCoy. I actually told Dan about 10 years ago on the DZ that I thought his suspect was McCoy. But, as much as I enjoyed the video, he didn't really bring any new information. Sure, it's interesting that McCoy's children are now saying that he was Cooper. But, they never bothered to tell us why they believe that.
I'm no closer to believing McCoy was Cooper than I was before I watched the video.
Bruce A. Smith:
Marty, et. al.: Can we get a timeline on Richard McCoy?
Here's what I've got so far:
1. Tuesday, November 23. R. McCoy misses class. Calame said he had a gas receipt for McCoy from a site about halfway to Las Vegas from Provo.
2. Wednesday, November 24. Denise Burns arrives in Provo to baby sit the kids.
3. Thursday, T-Day, November 25.
- FBI says a classmate of Richard sees him at 10 am at his home in Provo.
- Calame said he has corroboration from McCoy phone company that Richard made a collect call to Provo from the Tropicana Hotel in Vegas at 10 pm.
- Calame also said he has another gas receipt for McCoy from Vegas for earlier that evening.
4. Current testimony from Denise Burns is that Richard and Karen left Provo for California during the day on the 25th, and were gone for 3-4 days.
So, is our current understanding that McCoy drove south towards Las Vegas on Tuesday, but apparently came home, and left again - this time for Vegas/California on the 25th sometime during the day but early enough to get to Vegas by evening and make a call at 10 pm and get gas, too?
andrade1812:
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Register or LoginMarty, et. al.: Can we get a timeline on Richard McCoy?
Here's what I've got so far:
1. Tuesday, November 23. R. McCoy misses class. Calame said he had a gas receipt for McCoy from a site about halfway to Las Vegas from Provo.
2. Wednesday, November 24. Denise Burns arrives in Provo to baby sit the kids.
3. Thursday, T-Day, November 25.
- FBI says a classmate of Richard sees him at 10 am at his home in Provo.
- Calame said he has corroboration from McCoy phone company that Richard made a collect call to Provo from the Tropicana Hotel in Vegas at 10 pm.
- Calame also said he has another gas receipt for McCoy from Vegas for earlier that evening.
4. Current testimony from Denise Burns is that Richard and Karen left Provo for California during the day on the 25th, and were gone for 3-4 days.
So, is our current understanding that McCoy drove south towards Las Vegas on Tuesday, but apparently came home, and left again - this time for Vegas/California on the 25th sometime during the day but early enough to get to Vegas by evening and make a call at 10 pm and get gas, too?
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McCoy did not skip class on Tuesday, and we know he was on campus because he cashed a check for five dollars at the bookstore.
On Wednesday McCoy was believed to be in SLC with his wife, but the FBI never did get 3rd party verification.
10am on Thanksgiving a witness sees McCoy at home. Denise is called in to babysit at 4pm that day.
McCoy buys gas in Provo. Then he gasses up in Cedar Falls halfway btween Provo and Vegas. He makes a phone call from the tropicana later that night and gasses up his car btw 11pm and 7am.
We also have his trip back, he stopped at the same place for gas.
We also have him writing checks that weekend too.
Calame and Rhodes were intentionally deceitful in their book. They moved McCoy's Vegas trip from Thanksgiving to Tuesday, and extended it in complete contradiction to the evidence.
The Calame and Rhodes book changed the facts intentionally, in order to create a narrative in order to sell books.
(I should say that Calame was intentionally deceitful, as we now know from the FBI files that he was aware of the evidence the FBI found. Bernie Rhodes probably knew nothing about these findings and did not have access to the FBI files.)
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