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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by EU on April 04, 2020, 04:52:53 PM »
A new Special Edition of the Daily DB Cooper Bite where I discuss the 4 conditions that had to be met in order for DB Cooper to get away with the skyjacking.

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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by georger on April 04, 2020, 03:58:42 PM »
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The potentially lethal virus circulating causes us to fear the unknown and fear for our personal safety and wellbeing and those we care for.  The lurking uncertainty of the spectre of death collecting us in the immediate future or emerging from the shadows at some time in the future to strike us down is a humbling experience.  Very similar to what a very courageous young lady must have experienced so many years ago and for so many years afterward, not knowing if he would murder her that day or would emerge from the shadows in the future to strike her down.  We can all learn from her and she is more deserving of the folk hero title than that other bag-of-shit that people build shrines to.   

Yes. The donder is on the dindar fer sure. Wishes are hopping and trees are west when condors swim in Valkarie. After the cat swoons in the opossum's eyes!

Her Royal Highness continues to be displeased with the speculations of a prospector and persists in using somewhat curious tactics to control the narrative to discredit the speculator – care to explain yourself?  The dishonorable discharge theory really got under your skin didn’t it, almost like you were wronged also.  Maybe you really are COOPER Royalty! Are you the curly haired one who counts birds?

The silence is deafening – cat got your tongue?

‘georger’ - with one day that it couldn’t have been done without.

COVID GORT! Klaatu barada nikto ! 

[Ignore button hit and alcohol wipe applied to this pposteroo! Have a nice life Charlie. Enjoy your stay in solitary!]
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Prospector on April 04, 2020, 02:08:04 PM »
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The potentially lethal virus circulating causes us to fear the unknown and fear for our personal safety and wellbeing and those we care for.  The lurking uncertainty of the spectre of death collecting us in the immediate future or emerging from the shadows at some time in the future to strike us down is a humbling experience.  Very similar to what a very courageous young lady must have experienced so many years ago and for so many years afterward, not knowing if he would murder her that day or would emerge from the shadows in the future to strike her down.  We can all learn from her and she is more deserving of the folk hero title than that other bag-of-shit that people build shrines to.   

Yes. The donder is on the dindar fer sure. Wishes are hopping and trees are west when condors swim in Valkarie. After the cat swoons in the opossum's eyes!

Her Royal Highness continues to be displeased with the speculations of a prospector and persists in using somewhat curious tactics to control the narrative to discredit the speculator – care to explain yourself?  The dishonorable discharge theory really got under your skin didn’t it, almost like you were wronged also.  Maybe you really are COOPER Royalty! Are you the curly haired one who counts birds?

The silence is deafening – cat got your tongue?

‘georger’ - with regards to the narrative control:

One technique used by some to gain power and control over others is to cozy-up to those who have legitimate authority over others.  Once a cozy relationship is formed, those authority figures may be manipulated to perform a protective function for them.  When studying the intricate manipulative characteristics of certain personality disorders, it emerges that it is not uncommon to observe this tactic being used by certain individuals to gain a level of power and control over those who are targeted for sport or retribution purposes.   It is an unfortunate reality of our makeup that some people who achieve positions of authority enjoy having their ego massaged by their underlings - it enhances their high - so it is not surprising these types of relationships can form.  On this discussion forum, observe how the ‘thanks’ button can be used to develop and maintain these kinds of cozy relationships. 

It is a distinct possibility that COOPER may have used this tactic in his interactions within his community.  Through the various methods available to individuals to rub shoulders with elected officials and law enforcement, especially in smaller communities, it is quite easy for, polite, soft-spoken, nice old man with a calm demeanour who uses intelligent vocabulary to get into their good books.  If a perceived threat emerges, these allies may be called upon to use their granted authorities to help eliminate that perceived threat.  An individual on the lam who has a lot to lose may have an additional motivation to take the time and effort to establish this capability. It would be a valuable tool indeed to have it in his toolkit to help eliminate those who he suspects may be able to expose him.

Observing the dynamics of this discussion forum for the previous few years, it emerges in your several thousands of posts, that your conduct mirrors to a certain degree this concept.  A very cozy relationship is observed between yourself and the moderator, and you have a following of those who cozy up to you.  When those who present information that you are not comfortable with, appallingly bizarre verbal assaults are commonly launched that bait the unsuspecting target into a conflict.  This is followed by a hasty retreat into the protective lap of the moderator proclaiming to be the innocent victim of an unprovoked personal attack.  Purring and cooing there as your ‘damaged’ ego is soothed, the ‘attacker’ is vanquished, and the rogue ideas are dismissed.  It may be interpreted as a form of social engineering, insinuate that a target’s point of view is mental by appending a schizophrenic word-salad type response or boldly claiming that “whackos” have taken over the forum - and then be supported by the established cozy connections, floating above it all.

In some sense, how COOPER acted on the aircraft and may have acted within a community to escape detection may be extrapolated to some degree from some of your observed conduct here on the forum - parachute in on every subject - cut and run – play the innocent victim – divert attention away from messy situations.  The question remains as to why such a narrative control strategy would be pursued.  Like COOPER, either you have something to hide and are attempting to deflect attention, or it is done for sport.  Either way, it may be perceived by some as a curious, but effective method to achieve some level of power and control over others thereby acquiring a degree of control over the narrative.   Accepted topics are those from individuals with status or that lead people into hopelessly chasing their tails in dead-end back alleys – going nowhere fast.  Rejected subject matter are those legitimate discussion topics from peons without status or that touch a nerve and get under your skin, ideas worthy of due consideration and too close to what may be the actual truth.  Childish and effeminate behavior is observed by the plastering of communications with cute and cuddly emojis for people with status, mean and nasty emojis for the participants in the discussion that have been targeted to be vanquished from the conversation.  All of this is reminiscent of a grade school girl’s scrapbook filled with stickers, chronicling emotional highs and lows.  It is difficult to fathom an adult engaging in such immature conduct on such serious subject matter as was with COOPER and his ‘bomb’ and bag of cash.  As such, you are a template of sorts, and in some regards, a carbon copy of certain behaviors to look out for in the fugitive.

The simple point is that he may have used similar social engineering strategies to surround himself with ‘acceptable’ people, those who agreed with his perspective and wouldn’t ask pesky questions, chase the others off.  So keep up the good work, with your continued participation that efficiently demonstrates certain behaviors to be on the lookout for in the fugitive, those who do not venerate the guy will be able to unmask him and his accomplice for all to see.  It might be said one day that it couldn’t have been done without you. 
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by EU on April 04, 2020, 11:24:03 AM »
The following is a complete list of what was required for DB Cooper to successfully skyjack and extort 305.

1) Knowledge: He had to be familiar with the Boeing 727 in several areas from flap settings to the airstairs.

2) Skills: He had to have been comfortable and experienced skydiving, perhaps even landing and trekking in a forested region.

3) Stones: Dreaming a plan like his up and actually executing the plan requires a degree of stones.

4) Headstart: By getting a several hour jump on the authorities he was given time to move freely and escape long before the search began.

With the four items listed above the race was over before it began. As long as he doesn't brag about the feat or recklessly spend the ransom, he's home free.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on April 04, 2020, 01:44:48 AM »
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As The Godfather (Thank you, Nicky, smile...) I think it wise to hold both options in consideration, ie: 1. he wanted/needed money; 2. he was making some kind of statement.

Eric, you got me thinking, ie: that you couldn't think of a single bank robber who robbed a bank for reasons others than getting money. Of course, I can think of a ton of TV shows that offer different reasons, but I can't think of a single bank robber in Real Life who stole the money for reasons other than the money.

But I'm pondering!

Or blew up a bank?  Evidently you and EU missed the 70s!   :bravo:

Our only hope is to settle in and be lectured to by EU and the other guy ...... for eternity or until we are all dead!  :chr2:  :offtopicman:
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on April 03, 2020, 08:22:35 PM »
As The Godfather (Thank you, Nicky, smile...) I think it wise to hold both options in consideration, ie: 1. he wanted/needed money; 2. he was making some kind of statement.

Eric, you got me thinking, ie: that you couldn't think of a single bank robber who robbed a bank for reasons others than getting money. Of course, I can think of a ton of TV shows that offer different reasons, but I can't think of a single bank robber in Real Life who stole the money for reasons other than the money.

But I'm pondering!
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Prospector on April 03, 2020, 06:08:25 PM »
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The potentially lethal virus circulating causes us to fear the unknown and fear for our personal safety and wellbeing and those we care for.  The lurking uncertainty of the spectre of death collecting us in the immediate future or emerging from the shadows at some time in the future to strike us down is a humbling experience.  Very similar to what a very courageous young lady must have experienced so many years ago and for so many years afterward, not knowing if he would murder her that day or would emerge from the shadows in the future to strike her down.  We can all learn from her and she is more deserving of the folk hero title than that other bag-of-shit that people build shrines to.   

Yes. The donder is on the dindar fer sure. Wishes are hopping and trees are west when condors swim in Valkarie. After the cat swoons in the opossum's eyes!

Her Royal Highness continues to be displeased with the speculations of a prospector and persists in using somewhat curious tactics to control the narrative to discredit the speculator – care to explain yourself?  The dishonorable discharge theory really got under your skin didn’t it, almost like you were wronged also.  Maybe you really are COOPER Royalty! Are you the curly haired one who counts birds?

The silence is deafening – cat got your tongue?
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on April 03, 2020, 02:54:53 PM »
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I think that there is a tendency to look for connections among things that usually don't exist.

People rob banks for a reason. The reason being that they want money.

DB Cooper extorted $200K because he wanted $200K. Moreover, it's safe to assume that he wanted to get away with it...that he didn't want to get caught.

Therefore, may I suggest that sometimes a skyjacking and extortion is nothing more than a skyjacking and extortion. After all, I have yet to identify a single bank robber that ever robbed a bank for anything other than the money.

Even with having a decent amount of regular work on my plate, I still have a lot of time on my hands.  Take away travel, the bars, sports, the gym, and it does not leave one with a lot to do.  So I'm a little more invested in these conversations than I might be on a regular day.

It may be as simple as he wanted $200,000.  That's a lot of money though.  Over $1 million.  Who needs that much money and does not make it on anyone's radar for gambling debts, major medical expenses, etc.?  I guess if he needed only $10,000, might as well ask for $200,000.  But why not rob a bank instead?

Had any other criminals staged robberies with the intent of getting this much money in the past?  What comes to mind for me is an art heist, or a big con.  Some would agree with me that this hijacking was different in so many ways than the garden variety crime. 

Yes, bank robbers rob banks for the money.  But an airplane hijacking with so many chances for error, and no guarantee that the money would be there?

It could be simple.  He needed the $.  My opinion is there is just something more here than "He just needed the money."  For some reason I thought of Andrew Dice Clay right there.  Again, too much time on my hands.

DB Cooper dead or alive, when found, the money problem may be answered.

In fact, People rob banks for all kinds of reasons. Just as people join Cooper forums for all kinds of reasons!  :o  There are all kinds of people. This was particularly true during the political 1970s, during the Vietnam War.

Of course there is money in banks, but banks are also pivotal citadels of power. Like the King's castle or the Lord's manor! A primary distribution hub for social and governmental policies, etc. Airlines serve a similar important role.  If you want to make a statement you strike at the center of power. Cooper clearly said he had a grudge of some kind. "But not at your airlines", he said. Notice he said "airlines" plural.  ;) That's political, not strictly financial. He chose a bomb which was an instrument of political action and a symbol everyone understood at the time! 

Do you know how many banks and airplanes were blown up during the 1970s just to make a political statement ? Cooper falls in the terrorist category! He said he was hijacking because of a "grudge". SDS and other groups identified with Cooper, as one of their own ... a hero ... whether he identified with them or not.  There is no escaping the political component of his hijacking ...

Cooper's "ideolect" must contain a political component - there's no escaping it. That fact alone rules a number of popular forum suspects out.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by fcastle866 on April 03, 2020, 02:16:09 PM »
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I think that there is a tendency to look for connections among things that usually don't exist.

People rob banks for a reason. The reason being that they want money.

DB Cooper extorted $200K because he wanted $200K. Moreover, it's safe to assume that he wanted to get away with it...that he didn't want to get caught.

Therefore, may I suggest that sometimes a skyjacking and extortion is nothing more than a skyjacking and extortion. After all, I have yet to identify a single bank robber that ever robbed a bank for anything other than the money.

Even with having a decent amount of regular work on my plate, I still have a lot of time on my hands.  Take away travel, the bars, sports, the gym, and it does not leave one with a lot to do.  So I'm a little more invested in these conversations than I might be on a regular day.

It may be as simple as he wanted $200,000.  That's a lot of money though.  Over $1 million.  Who needs that much money and does not make it on anyone's radar for gambling debts, major medical expenses, etc.?  I guess if he needed only $10,000, might as well ask for $200,000.  But why not rob a bank instead?

Had any other criminals staged robberies with the intent of getting this much money in the past?  What comes to mind for me is an art heist, or a big con.  Some would agree with me that this hijacking was different in so many ways than the garden variety crime. 

Yes, bank robbers rob banks for the money.  But an airplane hijacking with so many chances for error, and no guarantee that the money would be there?

It could be simple.  He needed the $.  My opinion is there is just something more here than "He just needed the money."  For some reason I thought of Andrew Dice Clay right there.  Again, too much time on my hands.

DB Cooper dead or alive, when found, the money problem may be answered.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on April 03, 2020, 11:35:11 AM »
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I think that there is a tendency to look for connections among things that usually don't exist.

People rob banks for a reason. The reason being that they want money.

DB Cooper extorted $200K because he wanted $200K. Moreover, it's safe to assume that he wanted to get away with it...that he didn't want to get caught.

Therefore, may I suggest that sometimes a skyjacking and extortion is nothing more than a skyjacking and extortion. After all, I have yet to identify a single bank robber that ever robbed a bank for anything other than the money.

As legendary bank robber Willie Sutton put it, he robbed banks because "that's where the money is."
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