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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on August 09, 2020, 04:27:12 PM »
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This is why I would be very interested to know exactly who put the map together and how it was done.

After all, there is a map. It came from someone, somewhere, somehow.

I believe a name is given somewhere in regards to the map if not mistaken..perhaps a trip to McChord is something to consider..someone there surely would have some answers..
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on August 09, 2020, 04:25:51 PM »
The skirting has never been confirmed, only a possibility, assumption and not fact..you couldn't locate the part number on the whole thing and yet the piece found had one? not plausible until all the facts are in place.

The turn could be the avoidance to directly flying over PDX as well as to line back up with V23. a timing issue is in the dropzone. most believe it's a timing issue vs a path issue.

Things unconfirmed that are possible...
1) Placard location on 305
2) Definitive proof the skirting was the skirting found and not something else.
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by EU on August 09, 2020, 04:24:08 PM »
This is why I would be very interested to know exactly who put the map together and how it was done.

After all, there is a map. It came from someone, somewhere, somehow.
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on August 09, 2020, 04:16:50 PM »
The phone conversation is not documented, only a phone call was made...a reason was given for the "pin-pointing" obviously..

The map is going to have error's. a major one would have to be noted along with the reason the Portland operator's are wrong..pretty simple?
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by EU on August 09, 2020, 04:10:09 PM »
Remember, all I have to do is prove that the FBI Flight Path map is wrong in one spot and that calls into question the integrity of the entire map.

And I'm quite certain that I've proved it in three spots:

1) Upon take-off from Seattle.

2) Approaching Maylay based upon the fiberglass skirt find.

3) North of the DZ when the placard separated from the jet.

Not to mention, the path itself may not even be flyable based upon your flight simulation as the jet apparently made a sharp turn around PDX.
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by EU on August 09, 2020, 04:06:44 PM »
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The documents have been shown numerous times here and on the DZ..this should have been known and dismissed when trying to move something..one is provided below..

I am asking you what was stated not because I don't know, rather because I'm trying to prove a point.

Once again, why is the testimony of the controller being used to move the flight path one or two miles east? Wouldn't SAGE have been able to be more precise?

Also, how can we be sure that the target that the controller is viewing is actually 305 and not one of the three military jets or something else?

Beyond that, if the dropzone is accurate, where is something that can point to Cooper having been there? How do we explain how the money ended up on Tena Bar? How do we explain where the placard was found? How do we explain where the fiberglass skirt was found? How do we explain the disparity between the white FBI map and the yellow FBI map? How do we explain the FBI Flight Path map showing 305 heading directly to Toledo from SeaTac with no indication that the airliner took off and flew due south for some distance as is typical? Are we to conclude that 305 turned immediately to Toledo upon taking off? By the way, what happened to the 20:04 missing dot on the FBI map?
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on August 09, 2020, 03:53:09 PM »
The documents have been shown numerous times here and on the DZ..this should have been known and dismissed when trying to move something..one is provided below..
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by EU on August 09, 2020, 03:49:30 PM »
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He pretty much answered the question himself explaining the 150 mile range vs 40 mile range and the accuracy Portland would have over his radar? we also have Portland basically stating the same?

What exactly did the guy at PDX say?
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on August 09, 2020, 03:45:55 PM »
He pretty much answered the question himself explaining the 150 mile range vs 40 mile range and the accuracy Portland would have over his radar? we also have Portland basically stating the same?
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by EU on August 09, 2020, 03:42:55 PM »
Let me try again to be as clear as possible regarding what Ammerman has stated--remember I have discussed this with him several times, including on camera.

He says that he cannot disagree with, or dispute, or prove an error with FBI Flight Path map.

He did not say, "I can verify that the FBI Flight Path map is accurate."

The reasons why he can't be absolutely certain of anything regarding the FBI Flight Path map is because his monitor showed a line which indicated where 305 was as it traveled south. This "line" represented anywhere from 4 to 12 miles depending upon how far the target (305) was from the radar site (Salem).

In conclusion, while Ammerman knew that 305 did not fly to Yakima, he did not know if it flew precisely as depicted on the FBI Flight Path map, or if it flew along the Western Flight Path.
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