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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on September 17, 2020, 02:39:47 PM »
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Documents state where the map came from?

Where are the documents that state this particular map was prepared by the USAF?

I will have to find them and post them but they have been posted numerous times in the last couple years..including one saying they had two charts and one marked with green pen..if not mistaken it might also say on the fib site where the map can be downloaded..
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on September 17, 2020, 02:32:25 PM »
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Documents state where the map came from?

Where are the documents that state this particular map was prepared by the USAF?
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on September 17, 2020, 02:30:54 PM »
Documents state where the map came from?
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on September 17, 2020, 02:29:56 PM »
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Technically, the map shouldn't be called "The FBI flight path". the map was made and plotted by the air force. NWO worked on the dropzone.

There is no proof that the so-called "FBI Flight Path" is the flight path map plotted by the USAF.  There is plenty of information on that map that did not come from the USAF.
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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on September 17, 2020, 02:28:56 PM »
It's probably the high waterline...look south and you will see most of the temp shacks right on that line..
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on September 17, 2020, 02:18:30 PM »
Technically, the map shouldn't be called "The FBI flight path". the map was made and plotted by the air force. NWO worked on the dropzone.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on September 17, 2020, 02:18:08 PM »
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Conversation/argument starter:

Does the discovery of the placard by hunters in 1978 lend credence to the FBI's V23 flight path or the Western Flight Path?

Chaucer, the placard and some other matters support what is now called the Western Flight Path.  This has been discussed at considerable lengths here and at DropZone for the last 10 years.
Tom Kaye’s Citizen Sleuths website would indicate otherwise? Also, you assume that your opinion is the consensus when it seems more like the minority opinion.

Chaucer, there you go again.  You are the one who needs to start sticking to science and facts and not just your opinions or the opinions of others.  So far as I am aware, you don't have a single fact to disprove the so-called Western Flight Path.  And how about mentioning your aeronautical qualifications that make you feel qualified to question that flight path.  You can't hide behind "Chaucer" for ever.

Since 2010, I have posted extensively both here and on DropZone the facts that support the Western Flight Path and the problems with other proposed flight paths.  I have listed my aeronautical qualifications and signed those posts with my real name.  Or to put it another way, I stand behind what I have posted on the Western Flight Path and that is more than just opinions.
Why do you always default to "defensive ass" any time I do anything than enthusiastically agree with you?

I fully admit that my knowledge of the case is less than most (if not all of the other frequent posters here - including you. Perhaps, instead of acting like a prick, you educate people new to the case? Because in educating myself, it seems that the Central Flight Path is the accepted one and so far I haven't seen anything that indicates otherwise.

My original question related to the placard and so far no one has provided a shred of evidence EITHER WAY. Not even you. Sorry if I don't want to scroll through hundreds of pages of people acting like A-holes to each other to get a satisfying answer.

Chaucer,

Based on your last paragraph above, you seem to feel that there are a lot of "A-holes" on this site.  You may be right on that point, but don't expect any of them to kiss your ring or whatever.

And don't expect any of them to give you private lessons on the Cooper hijacking if you not willing to expend a bit of time checking into what has been done here and on DropZone in the last decade.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by EU on September 17, 2020, 02:11:11 PM »
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Of course there is the famous map with the flight path roughly plotted in pencil. What's the history of this map? I assumed that it was from the FBI. Do we know who was responsible for plotting it out?

Also, that map seems to be segmented into locations plotted every minute. How would someone do that a day or two after the fact? The note "1st plot" written at the top would seem to indicate some other information gathered from radar.

Apparently it was plotted by either someone at the FBI using data from the Air Force. Or, it was plotted by someone from the Air Force.

The time plots came from other data collected from--I'm not really sure where--perhaps the flight data recorder. That said, it is also flawed.

How do I know this? There is a missing time plot at 20:04. What happened to it? How is this possible?

The first plot also doesn't account for the depicted flight path from SEA to the "first plot." How was this first portion of the flight path--which I believe to be incorrect--crafted?
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on September 17, 2020, 02:02:08 PM »
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there is actual physical evidence--skirt, placard, money--that are very problematic for the FBI Flight Path.
This evidence seems to support the FBI flight path, not dispute it. The skirt (although never confirmed to be from Cooper's plane, but I'll humor you) was within the official 8 mile width for the Victor airway path of the FBI. The placard was also found within this 8 mile width. The Tina Bar money find could be explained by the current of the Columbia from where the jetliner crossed the river. So, I reject the premise that the physical evidence is "problematic" for the FBI flight path.

Also, while human error and expert fallibility are possible, you are asking us to believe that at the height of the Cold War, the military and other government agencies LOST TRACK of a large plane. Not just anywhere but an area of the country with high value military and industrial targets along our most northwestern coastline. These targets include (but are not limited to)the nuclear facility at Hanford,  Seattle-area Boeing plants, the Puget Sound Navy Yard, Fort Lewis, and McChord and Fairchild Air Force Bases. This air defense area was on high alert for Soviet bombers constantly in 1971. The idea that all of these eyes and ears, while on full alert, somehow got the location of a hijacked airliner wrong borders on the preposterous.

In summary, the physical evidence you cited isn't problematic for the FBI Flight path (on the contrary), and the idea that not just one or two people erred, but the entire military-industrial complex failed at a simple task at which it prepared for constantly seems highly improbable.

For the record, I'm happy to hear any respectful, reasoned, logical arguments to counter what I've stated.

Chaucer & Georger,

The countered, respectful, reasoned, and logical argument to Chaucer's statement is that the placard was found upwind of the FBI flight path.  Chaucer and Georger, do you understand what that means?

There are other problems with the so-called FBI flight path.  For starters, where did this flight path come from?  As I remember it, the FBI posted the flight path on DropZone in an effort to determine if anyone knew the answer to that question. 
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Chaucer on September 17, 2020, 01:59:50 PM »
Of course there is the famous map with the flight path roughly plotted in pencil. What's the history of this map? I assumed that it was from the FBI. Do we know who was responsible for plotting it out?

Also, that map seems to be segmented into locations plotted every minute. How would someone do that a day or two after the fact? The note "1st plot" written at the top would seem to indicate some other information gathered from radar.
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