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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Prospector on April 06, 2020, 02:17:23 PM »
When one embarks on a journey to understand a mystery, it is soon learned that one must rely on instinct and hunches.  Theories may be formulated and revised as conflicting information is sifted through and sources are vetted.  The cooper mystery is ripe with conflicting information as is evidenced by even a cursory review of publicly released information that is specific to the deed.  One thing that remains consistent in the numerous sources of information that are available to researchers, is that it is not unheard of for the perpetrator of a crime to ‘insert’ themselves into an investigation.  This is done to gather intelligence as to the progress of the hunt.  This is, of course, somewhat difficult to do and certain conditions must exist in order for the strategy to be employed.  So called ‘investigations’ that exist in publically accessed discussion forums such as this one are easily infiltrated and a presence may be established with ease to gather information, but also to sway the course of the ‘investigation’. 

Many people come and go here on these cooper forums, each brings a unique angle to the table, some speak in absolute terms, others in a subjective sense.  Theories are floated, suspects are identified, and some are found guilty of the crime.  No one angle is any better or worse than the other, because it is a mystery, and that’s what understanding mysteries is all about.  Not to state the obvious, but dirt diggin’ prospector pursues the theory that he walks amongst us to this day and would make an effort to follow his press and ‘insert’ himself into the ‘investigation’.  From this perspective, the approach is to try to interpret behavioral clues he left behind, extrapolate from other perpetrators that had been captured and studied, and to follow gut instinct where it leads.

Two of the many things that cooper could not have planned for in the early 1970’s are DNA technologies and the internet.  Ultimately, it is likely this case is now driven by DNA, and any suspect, living or dead, would be gauged against this metric as to their culpability.  The modern internet allows researchers to access reams of uploaded information and to communicate with one another from the comfort of their home computer.  Both are very powerful tools working against cooper.  He would have no power and control over the use of DNA technologies by the authorities and could not block uploaded information from falling into the possession of researchers.  He could, however, easily use it to access discussion forums like this, establish some kind of presence, and play with his puppets as he wished.  Like BTK though, he may not have the full intellectual capacity to understand what exact information may be shared by computers when data is shared.  There might be wolves in the trees looking for him. 

If cooper is alive and toying with you now, it would most certainly be a bold thing to do.  With his lifelong lust for power and control, it is likely that he would not be satisfied to sit on the sidelines and cheer on the players, but he’d get into the game.  It would require that he not only was willing to lie, but capable to spin a convincing tale that would suck people into his world.  It would have been a mandatory requirement for him to be a pathological liar to be skillful at manipulating people in face to face contacts to successfully live among them and remain undetected.  It would be much easier to do when he would exist as merely words on a computer screen on a discussion forum and this may enhance his boldness.  Unfortunately for him, there are some techniques that may be used to filter for lies, one being looking for contradictions or inconsistencies in what is said. 

Whoever cooper is, if alive, he is an old man counting the days before his ultimate relinquishment of power and control arrives when the Reaper knocks upon his door.  None of his cozy connections will be of any assistance, and his absolute loss of power and control over what exists beyond the moment of death - is it nothing, or is it something - is entirely beyond his ability to influence.  This must be a difficult thing for an individual who has had such success with manipulation, power, and control over his life, quite literally – giving it all up.  Everybody who is capable of lucid thought ponders this moment of uncertainty, even psychopaths who are to a large extent devoid of a ‘normal’ range of human emotion.  I think it was Bundy whose knees gave out on him as he was led into the chamber.  These thoughts may be creeping into his online persona, especially with such an insidious virus preying on the elderly.

Poor cooper, lots of insults hurled his way lately from the inner chamber of his shrine.  Probably makes him and his admirers a little hot under the collar when he is referred to as a bag-of-shit.  A bold old codger with a grudge who has nothing to lose would strike-out at the disrespectful troublemaker, wouldn’t he?  His admirers certainly would.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Parrotheadvol on April 06, 2020, 01:52:38 PM »
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Only as last resort...I don't think he believed it would happen..it's possible it could of......

Someone refresh me here. 

Cooper is sitting to the right of Tina.  She lights his cigarettes for him.

Is he smoking with his left hand, and his right hand is always in the briefcase?  I thought I read somewhere that Flo was the one that said he had his hand in the briefcase the whole time.  The whole time in this case would not have been long if it was Flo talking.  Maybe it was Tina.  But he had it in there from takeoff in Portland all the way until when? When he counts the money?  He drinks with one hand too?  It's a long time to have your hand in the briefcase.

Let's get creative here.  Why else would he keep his hand in the briefcase?  Tina is pretty harmless, he seems to like her, and she is ok with him.  It's not like she is going to overpower him.

Possibilities:

He really is afraid that he will need to set off the bomb and wants to keep his hands close
He has a gun in there and wants it close
He has a watch on, or some identifying jewelry
He has a scar or a tattoo or a mark on his hand
His hands give him away as blue collar and not the hands of a businessman

EU, Shutter, Martin, Bruce, couple of other guys, you think out of the box, what are some ideas?

By the way, in the 1970 movie Airport, a deranged man makes a briefcase bomb with dynamite and wires and carries it on a plane.  He uses a deadman switch, a little sliver of wood attached to a string.  This movie is said to have been one of the first "disaster" type movies of the new genre.

The left-handed versus right-handed question is one I have thought about a lot.

I'm surprised that there are very few references in the FBI files regarding which hand DBC used. If it could be determined that DBC was left-handed that would narrow the field down close to 95% given the way children were forced to use their right hands back in the old days (20's and 30's).

Of note, Bill Mitchell does mention that DBC had his left-hand in the case--I assume when the case is sitting on DBC's lap.

Beyond that, the case sitting on seat 18F--on Cooper's right--necessitates DBC using his right hand at this point which is meaningless. This can be extended to Cooper smoking with his left hand (not mentioned in the FBI files), this too would also be meaningless.

All told, I suspect DBC was left-handed given Bill Mitchell's testimony. After all, if the case is sitting on his lap this is a non-biased action which gives DBC the opportunity to utilize the hand he favors.

Perhaps. But if the bomb was fake, then does it really matter which hand he had in there? In that scenario, his right hand is free to use if necessary, perhaps suggesting he is a righty.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by EU on April 06, 2020, 11:17:08 AM »
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Only as last resort...I don't think he believed it would happen..it's possible it could of......

Someone refresh me here. 

Cooper is sitting to the right of Tina.  She lights his cigarettes for him.

Is he smoking with his left hand, and his right hand is always in the briefcase?  I thought I read somewhere that Flo was the one that said he had his hand in the briefcase the whole time.  The whole time in this case would not have been long if it was Flo talking.  Maybe it was Tina.  But he had it in there from takeoff in Portland all the way until when? When he counts the money?  He drinks with one hand too?  It's a long time to have your hand in the briefcase.

Let's get creative here.  Why else would he keep his hand in the briefcase?  Tina is pretty harmless, he seems to like her, and she is ok with him.  It's not like she is going to overpower him.

Possibilities:

He really is afraid that he will need to set off the bomb and wants to keep his hands close
He has a gun in there and wants it close
He has a watch on, or some identifying jewelry
He has a scar or a tattoo or a mark on his hand
His hands give him away as blue collar and not the hands of a businessman

EU, Shutter, Martin, Bruce, couple of other guys, you think out of the box, what are some ideas?

By the way, in the 1970 movie Airport, a deranged man makes a briefcase bomb with dynamite and wires and carries it on a plane.  He uses a deadman switch, a little sliver of wood attached to a string.  This movie is said to have been one of the first "disaster" type movies of the new genre.

The left-handed versus right-handed question is one I have thought about a lot.

I'm surprised that there are very few references in the FBI files regarding which hand DBC used. If it could be determined that DBC was left-handed that would narrow the field down close to 95% given the way children were forced to use their right hands back in the old days (20's and 30's).

Of note, Bill Mitchell does mention that DBC had his left-hand in the case--I assume when the case is sitting on DBC's lap.

Beyond that, the case sitting on seat 18F--on Cooper's right--necessitates DBC using his right hand at this point which is meaningless. This can be extended to Cooper smoking with his left hand (not mentioned in the FBI files), this too would also be meaningless.

All told, I suspect DBC was left-handed given Bill Mitchell's testimony. After all, if the case is sitting on his lap this is a non-biased action which gives DBC the opportunity to utilize the hand he favors.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by EU on April 06, 2020, 09:56:52 AM »
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People roll in their wheelhouse. ?

What is that supposed to mean?  People choose socks that fit their feet?

What does that powerful metaphor offer the DB Cooper case? Wheelhouses?  C:-)

According to waywordradio.org:

Q) What does it mean if something is in your wheelhouse?

A) If something is in your wheelhouse, it's well within your area of expertise. According to the Dickson Baseball Dictionary, the term wheelhouse refers to swinging a bat when the ball is right in your crush zone. (Mar 5, 2011)
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on April 06, 2020, 06:39:17 AM »
What Cooper did is very similar to a bank robbery. a note is given to the teller and usually they are told they have a gun which in some cases is a bluff. the problem here is they are hitting one teller and only get what she has in the draw. then you have the bold guys who come in with guns but still don't get 200 grand. most banks don't have that much money on hand. some only get under a thousand dollars. you need to get in and out as quick as you can. this is why descriptions are often off. a typical bank robber tries not to involve everyone in the bank.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on April 06, 2020, 04:08:47 AM »
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I think that there is a tendency to look for connections among things that usually don't exist.

People rob banks for a reason. The reason being that they want money.

DB Cooper extorted $200K because he wanted $200K. Moreover, it's safe to assume that he wanted to get away with it...that he didn't want to get caught.

Therefore, may I suggest that sometimes a skyjacking and extortion is nothing more than a skyjacking and extortion. After all, I have yet to identify a single bank robber that ever robbed a bank for anything other than the money.


You are contradicting your own point Eric...if you wanted money just rob a bank?? Why do something like this go back to my post and coopers comments it was a person grudge.

To the contrary, it's  not a contradiction at all.

People roll in their wheelhouse. This is why someone like Bernie Madoff steals via a stockmarket scam. Or a Brinks truck robbery is often an inside job. Or an art heist is usually committed by someone familiar with the art world.

DB Cooper likely was very familiar with aviation--the Boeing 727 in particular--and skydiving. Moreover, the evidence on the tie backs this theory up.

People roll in their wheelhouse. ?

What is that supposed to mean?  People choose socks that fit their feet?

What does that powerful metaphor offer the DB Cooper case? Wheelhouses?  C:-) 
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by EU on April 06, 2020, 02:26:39 AM »
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I think that there is a tendency to look for connections among things that usually don't exist.

People rob banks for a reason. The reason being that they want money.

DB Cooper extorted $200K because he wanted $200K. Moreover, it's safe to assume that he wanted to get away with it...that he didn't want to get caught.

Therefore, may I suggest that sometimes a skyjacking and extortion is nothing more than a skyjacking and extortion. After all, I have yet to identify a single bank robber that ever robbed a bank for anything other than the money.


You are contradicting your own point Eric...if you wanted money just rob a bank?? Why do something like this go back to my post and coopers comments it was a person grudge.

To the contrary, it's  not a contradiction at all.

People roll in their wheelhouse. This is why someone like Bernie Madoff steals via a stockmarket scam. Or a Brinks truck robbery is often an inside job. Or an art heist is usually committed by someone familiar with the art world.

DB Cooper likely was very familiar with aviation--the Boeing 727 in particular--and skydiving. Moreover, the evidence on the tie backs this theory up.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by nickyb233 on April 06, 2020, 01:45:32 AM »
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I think that there is a tendency to look for connections among things that usually don't exist.

People rob banks for a reason. The reason being that they want money.

DB Cooper extorted $200K because he wanted $200K. Moreover, it's safe to assume that he wanted to get away with it...that he didn't want to get caught.

Therefore, may I suggest that sometimes a skyjacking and extortion is nothing more than a skyjacking and extortion. After all, I have yet to identify a single bank robber that ever robbed a bank for anything other than the money.


You are contradicting your own point Eric...if you wanted money just rob a bank?? Why do something like this go back to my post and coopers comments it was a person grudge.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on April 06, 2020, 01:14:53 AM »
A dead mans switch would typically be something that stops the completion of a circuit. a button would be pushed to break the circuit. if the button is released (being shot while holding the button) the circuit would be complete and the bomb would go off.

If a wire or string would be used it would have to complete the circuit from inside by pulling on the wire. that would be a problem if you were shot. unless it was tied to your hand..technically, any way you explode a bomb on purpose tied to you or near your body would be a dead mans switch..

people have taken a hostage using a shotgun and wire around there hand to the trigger and around the neck of the victim to insure the gun goes off if the suspect is grabbed or shot.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Shutter on April 05, 2020, 11:41:19 PM »
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I've seen nothing that indicates a deadman's switch.  However, Flyjack has come up with a lot of information on this case, so I'll wait and see if maybe he found an obscure file.

If the FBI wanted something about the detonation of the bomb kept secret they wouldn't allow the information out to the public in any form. I fail to see any "file" surfacing going against witness testimony. they would of simply stated he had a bomb. not eight sticks or battery...nothing. he just had a bomb.

I'm betting a separate file containing the evidence not released to the public is in a safe place.
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