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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Robert99 on October 16, 2019, 04:15:36 PM »
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If Ballard finds her plane it will be as big as the Titanic find. I sure hope he succeeds.

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She thinks Ballard will not find anything ...  guess we will know more on Oct 20th.

Actually, they did find something.  Quoting from the NY Times article I referred to yesterday:

"It [Ballard's team] found debris from an old shipwreck.  It even spotted a soda can.  What it did not find was a single piece of the Lockheed Electra airplane flown in 1937 by Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan, which vanished during their doomed voyage around the world."

That is no surprise since there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Earhart ever headed to Gardner Island or, for that matter, that she had even heard of the island.  Perhaps Ballard will have better luck in 2021 when he searches the Howland Island area.  At least Earhart was trying to get to Howland. 

The shipwreck mentioned happened a few years before the Earhart flight when a ship nailed Gardner Island head on in the middle of the night while going at full speed.  A number of people were killed in that accident.  The South Pacific was not well mapped in the 1930s.  Shoals came and went and some islands (including Howland) were not correctly plotted.  So ships in that area usually stopped during the night and just drifted until daylight.

It will be interesting to see what Ballard has to say in the program this Sunday evening.
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by 377 on October 16, 2019, 03:58:07 PM »
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by 377 on October 16, 2019, 02:38:37 PM »
And someone should speak briefly about Himmelsbach. I am glad that I was able to speak with him personally. Jerry paved the way for that conversation and his vouching for me was a huge help in getting Ralph to open up.  I wish Jerry would attend Coopercon. He'd be the ideal person to speak about Himmelsbach who was a close friend.

I'd love to debate Jerry on the survivability of the jump. He has very solid military credentials in the area of jumping and survival, but I flat out disagree with his conclusion that Cooper almost certainly died on the jump. We had really cordial and mutually respectful private dialogue at the original Portland Symposium.

I sure wish Georger would come and speak. We need some new blood.

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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by 377 on October 16, 2019, 02:30:06 PM »
And how about inviting Geoff Gray to give us his current perspective?

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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by 377 on October 16, 2019, 02:28:51 PM »
Marla 2019? well thats not such a bad idea. She is a LOT more appealing than a bunch of old guys talking about parachutes, flight paths, partial DNA and exotic metal particles. 

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Blevins did a very good job debunking her claims but I tend to think they were made in good faith. Marla was a child when the event took place.

How about it Eric? Wanna spice up Coopercon?

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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by georger on October 16, 2019, 02:11:48 PM »
Tom Kaye appears on Dropzone !   And then vanishes.  Blevins and FLYJAK taking the opportunity to run Hahenemann and Marla editorials, again. 

Marla 2019?  :rofl:   

Dingo poop and zombies found in Antarctica -  Blevins and FLYJAK mystified. Stay tuned. Oh the drama of it all!   :rofl:
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by georger on October 16, 2019, 02:09:46 PM »
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If Ballard finds her plane it will be as big as the Titanic find. I sure hope he succeeds.

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Skydiving next Saturday over Byron CA. Radio jumps and fun jumps. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Turning 70 soon. So happy to still be an active skydiver.

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She thinks Ballard will not find anything ...  guess we will know more on Oct 20th.
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on October 15, 2019, 05:41:40 PM »
Happy Birthday, Mark. Welcome to the Big 7-0 Club. I joined two weeks ago!
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by 377 on October 15, 2019, 01:41:13 PM »
If Ballard finds her plane it will be as big as the Titanic find. I sure hope he succeeds.

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Skydiving next Saturday over Byron CA. Radio jumps and fun jumps. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Turning 70 soon. So happy to still be an active skydiver.

377
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Robert99 on October 15, 2019, 01:28:33 PM »
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Ballard's underwater search skills are huge, but using TIGHAR exec Gillespie as a source for search areas is problematic. Gillespie ties nearly every item he finds to Earhart, a shoe, a cosmetic bottle, various aluminum items, bones etc. None of the found items have been proven relevant as far as I know.

To conclude that the fuzzy distant reef photo shows an erect landing gear structure from Earhart's plane is nuts IMO. No seasoned tail dragger aviator would try that kind of landing with the gear extended. A nose-over flip would be almost guaranteed. Gillespie goes beyond reasonable speculation when he posits that Earhart successfully landed on the tidal reef gear down and the plane was later washed away leaving but one gear leg embedded.

What I like about the Cooper aviation mystery is that it can be explored and investigated without huge transportation expenses. No need to finance expeditions to remote mid-Pacific islands. No need for deep submersibles and their tenders. Bruce is living proof that wealth isn't a prerequisite for meaningful Cooper work.

Jumping again on Oct 19th with HF SSB radio gear and a trailing wire antenna. Should I be listening for Earhart and Noonan?  ;)
What a joy to still be jumping as I turn 70. Almost all of my late 1960s jumper cohorts have hung up their gear for good. That day will come for me too, but hopefully not too soon. When I step out of that door at 14,500 feet I feel like I am 18 again.

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There is no need to listen for Earhart and Noonan and there is also no need to leave the runway lights on tonight for them either.  They are not coming back.

To state again the essence of my remarks about Dr. Ballard before they were distorted.  No one questions Dr. Ballard's accomplishments and not all of them are in the public domain.  But I think he should have checked out the organization further before joining it.  To put it another way, he should have looked further before he leaped.

There is an article out today by the NY Times that Ballard did a very thorough search in the sea completely around Gardner Island and didn't find anything that could be related to Earhart.

Ballard also stated that he had a contract to do some underwater research near Howland Island in 2021 and that he planned to check out the "theory" that Earhart ended up ditching near there.  With his equipment, crew, and skill, Ballard will probably have the best chance of finding Earhart near Howland Island that anyone has ever had.  And with a bit of luck, he just might find that airplane.  As Ballard points out, that airplane is out there somewhere.
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