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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on December 14, 2019, 11:10:33 PM »
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While the subject of books is being talked about.... I am open to suggestions for my next Cooper book. I was originally thinking it would be Himm's book, but lately I have leaning towards Mr. Andrade's book. Any suggestions?      By the way, I have really enjoyed your book Bruce! I have read it a couple of times. Would love to have discussion about it at some time. It answered some of my questions and also brought up more.

Read both.

Marty's book is more of an analytical overview, with exceptional - and original - information on the 90%+ success rate of WWII bomber crews parachuting over Europe.

Himms' book is uneven, but it does contain nuggets of first-hand information from a guy on the Hunt.

His exchanges with Musika Farnsworth impressed me - too bad Farnsworth didnt write a whole book, she still could! Its my impression Farnsworth found H forthcoming. For one thing she learned just how 'informed' H was about other people's views of the case including Tosaw's claims. H does not come across as an empty vessel peddling an FBI line but someone actually concerned with evidence and engaged in determining facts vs claims. Other agents confirmed this view about H. Its kind of refreshing, compared to some of the cynicism which lurks in the Vortex.   
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on December 14, 2019, 06:34:31 PM »
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While the subject of books is being talked about.... I am open to suggestions for my next Cooper book. I was originally thinking it would be Himm's book, but lately I have leaning towards Mr. Andrade's book. Any suggestions?      By the way, I have really enjoyed your book Bruce! I have read it a couple of times. Would love to have discussion about it at some time. It answered some of my questions and also brought up more.

Read both.

Marty's book is more of an analytical overview, with exceptional - and original - information on the 90%+ success rate of WWII bomber crews parachuting over Europe.

Himms' book is uneven, but it does contain nuggets of first-hand information from a guy on the Hunt.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on December 14, 2019, 06:24:52 PM »
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While the subject of books is being talked about.... I am open to suggestions for my next Cooper book. I was originally thinking it would be Himm's book, but lately I have leaning towards Mr. Andrade's book. Any suggestions?      By the way, I have really enjoyed your book Bruce! I have read it a couple of times. Would love to have discussion about it at some time. It answered some of my questions and also brought up more.

Call any time. However, I will be in NY for the holidays.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on December 14, 2019, 03:24:44 PM »
Flyjack's latest:  Tina's brother in law put Cooper money on Tina Bar. Tina a co-conspirator in the DB Cooper Hijacking case! And Fyjack's suspect was DB Cooper. It apparently started when Tina was in high school and DB Cooper was a janitor in Tina's high school. Tina and the janitor were: lovers. Lee E Dormuth an FBI agent maried to Tina's sister. Dormuth buried Tina's share of the money at Tina Bar to get Tina out of trouble. Cooper and Tina's baby was given up for adoption. Maybe that's why Tina wound up in a convent? The baby is a fisherman in Khat Hook Northwestern Territories today!

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   "Let's see..  Tina was in Gresham 1979... She had previously moved in with her sister and brother in law Lee Dormuth, an FBI agent. Lee E Dormuth's amateur radio address was at:

xxxx xxxxxxx Rd, Yardley Pa.. from 1972 - 1978. 1978-1980  it changed to xxxx xxxxxxx Dr, San Diego CA
 
Lee and Tina's sister placed Tina in Gresham 1978/79 when they moved from PA to San Diego.

Did Lee Dormuth discard the Cooper money into the Columbia 78/79 to protect Tina??
 
Palmer report.. money definitely deposited after 1978.
"Even with this, he still felt the money was not at the site for more than a year. At the height found, the money was definitely deposited more than four years after the dredging of the Columbia River in 1974."
 
 :bravo:   You can;t make this stuff up!
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on December 14, 2019, 03:13:48 PM »
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About Tosaw:             Farflung posted this 1988 article about Tosaw years ago on DZ; it caught my attention at the time. After eight years of finding nothing in his searches Tosaw was announcing a major shift in his methods, based he said on "new information" about fishermen dragging/cleaning the river floor twice a years ... for the last 30+ years!!

The problem is I have never been able to find a fishermen or salvage person who validates Tosaw's claim that fisherman drag the river bottom (and clean it) twice a year.

Why would Tosaw make such a claim if there was no truth to it?  Maybe there is a fishermen here who can explain it? 

This is just one example of a long list of questionable news releases that Tosaw put out over the years ... leading to the claim by many people that Tosaw was a Publicity Hound.

Mount St. Helens blew its stack about three months after the money was found at Tina Bar.  The eruption put so much debris into the Columbia River watershed that shipping had to be stopped between Portland and the Pacific Ocean.  It took several months to clear the channel so that shipping could be resumed.

I lived in Happy Valley which was a small suburb of Portland at the time of the eruption of Mt. St Helens. I could immediately see the massive cloud and because we had friends who were from Toutle,Washington, we headed over there. The main blast was north and the Toutle River was the most devastated area. The Toutle River crosses I 5 at Approximately mile post 52 and caused the Freeway to be closed to fear from the log Jam high against the bridge. I had to walk to observe the disaster as freeway traffic was stopped. There still is a huge wall of volcanic ash that is clearly visible on both sides of the Toutle River which was dredged to clear the blockage caused where the Toutle River flows into Cowlitz River. The Cowlitz then carried this ash downstream where it flowed into the Columbia and of course deposited tons of ash which blocked the main busy shipping channel of the mighty Columbia river.
What’s noteworthy here is that this blockage was many miles downstream of Tina Bar. We got some ash in Portland area but by far the worst ash fall was Northeast of St. Helens like Yakima and Spokane. My present wife lived in Kalispell, Montana and they got more ash than I did.

I have relatives living in the Wenatchee area and they told me they had about 3 or 4 inches of ash on their house roof and ranch.  Much of that ash eventually made it into the Columbia River and headed downstream.

The Bonneville Dam visitors center has a feature on the damages to the dam's generators and the blockage of the shipping channel due to the ash in the river.

What has any of this got to do with the DB Cooper hijacking case?
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on December 14, 2019, 03:12:10 PM »
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About Tosaw:             Farflung posted this 1988 article about Tosaw years ago on DZ; it caught my attention at the time. After eight years of finding nothing in his searches Tosaw was announcing a major shift in his methods, based he said on "new information" about fishermen dragging/cleaning the river floor twice a years ... for the last 30+ years!!

The problem is I have never been able to find a fishermen or salvage person who validates Tosaw's claim that fisherman drag the river bottom (and clean it) twice a year.

Why would Tosaw make such a claim if there was no truth to it?  Maybe there is a fishermen here who can explain it? 

This is just one example of a long list of questionable news releases that Tosaw put out over the years ... leading to the claim by many people that Tosaw was a Publicity Hound.

Mount St. Helens blew its stack about three months after the money was found at Tina Bar.  The eruption put so much debris into the Columbia River watershed that shipping had to be stopped between Portland and the Pacific Ocean.  It took several months to clear the channel so that shipping could be resumed.

I lived in Happy Valley which was a small suburb of Portland at the time of the eruption of Mt. St Helens. I could immediately see the massive cloud and because we had friends who were from Toutle,Washington, we headed over there. The main blast was north and the Toutle River was the most devastated area. The Toutle River crosses I 5 at Approximately mile post 52 and caused the Freeway to be closed to fear from the log Jam high against the bridge. I had to walk to observe the disaster as freeway traffic was stopped. There still is a huge wall of volcanic ash that is clearly visible on both sides of the Toutle River which was dredged to clear the blockage caused where the Toutle River flows into Cowlitz River. The Cowlitz then carried this ash downstream where it flowed into the Columbia and of course deposited tons of ash which blocked the main busy shipping channel of the mighty Columbia river.
What’s noteworthy here is that this blockage was many miles downstream of Tina Bar. We got some ash in Portland area but by far the worst ash fall was Northeast of St. Helens like Yakima and Spokane. My present wife lived in Kalispell, Montana and they got more ash than I did.

I have relatives living in the Wenatchee area and they told me they had about 3 or 4 inches of ash on their house roof and ranch.  Much of that ash eventually made it into the Columbia River and headed downstream.

The Bonneville Dam visitors center has a feature on the damages to the dam's generators and the blockage of the shipping channel due to the ash in the river.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Kermit on December 14, 2019, 01:28:06 PM »
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About Tosaw:             Farflung posted this 1988 article about Tosaw years ago on DZ; it caught my attention at the time. After eight years of finding nothing in his searches Tosaw was announcing a major shift in his methods, based he said on "new information" about fishermen dragging/cleaning the river floor twice a years ... for the last 30+ years!!

The problem is I have never been able to find a fishermen or salvage person who validates Tosaw's claim that fisherman drag the river bottom (and clean it) twice a year.

Why would Tosaw make such a claim if there was no truth to it?  Maybe there is a fishermen here who can explain it? 

This is just one example of a long list of questionable news releases that Tosaw put out over the years ... leading to the claim by many people that Tosaw was a Publicity Hound.

Mount St. Helens blew its stack about three months after the money was found at Tina Bar.  The eruption put so much debris into the Columbia River watershed that shipping had to be stopped between Portland and the Pacific Ocean.  It took several months to clear the channel so that shipping could be resumed.

I lived in Happy Valley which was a small suburb of Portland at the time of the eruption of Mt. St Helens. I could immediately see the massive cloud and because we had friends who were from Toutle,Washington, we headed over there. The main blast was north and the Toutle River was the most devastated area. The Toutle River crosses I 5 at Approximately mile post 52 and caused the Freeway to be closed to fear from the log Jam high against the bridge. I had to walk to observe the disaster as freeway traffic was stopped. There still is a huge wall of volcanic ash that is clearly visible on both sides of the Toutle River which was dredged to clear the blockage caused where the Toutle River flows into Cowlitz River. The Cowlitz then carried this ash downstream where it flowed into the Columbia and of course deposited tons of ash which blocked the main busy shipping channel of the mighty Columbia river.
What’s noteworthy here is that this blockage was many miles downstream of Tina Bar. We got some ash in Portland area but by far the worst ash fall was Northeast of St. Helens like Yakima and Spokane. My present wife lived in Kalispell, Montana and they got more ash than I did.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on December 14, 2019, 12:01:24 PM »
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About Tosaw:             Farflung posted this 1988 article about Tosaw years ago on DZ; it caught my attention at the time. After eight years of finding nothing in his searches Tosaw was announcing a major shift in his methods, based he said on "new information" about fishermen dragging/cleaning the river floor twice a years ... for the last 30+ years!!

The problem is I have never been able to find a fishermen or salvage person who validates Tosaw's claim that fisherman drag the river bottom (and clean it) twice a year.

Why would Tosaw make such a claim if there was no truth to it?  Maybe there is a fishermen here who can explain it? 

This is just one example of a long list of questionable news releases that Tosaw put out over the years ... leading to the claim by many people that Tosaw was a Publicity Hound.

Mount St. Helens blew its stack about three months after the money was found at Tina Bar.  The eruption put so much debris into the Columbia River watershed that shipping had to be stopped between Portland and the Pacific Ocean.  It took several months to clear the channel so that shipping could be resumed.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by georger on December 14, 2019, 12:27:42 AM »
About Tosaw:             Farflung posted this 1988 article about Tosaw years ago on DZ; it caught my attention at the time. After eight years of finding nothing in his searches Tosaw was announcing a major shift in his methods, based he said on "new information" about fishermen dragging/cleaning the river floor twice a years ... for the last 30+ years!!

The problem is I have never been able to find a fishermen or salvage person who validates Tosaw's claim that fisherman drag the river bottom (and clean it) twice a year.

Why would Tosaw make such a claim if there was no truth to it?  Maybe there is a fishermen here who can explain it? 

This is just one example of a long list of questionable news releases that Tosaw put out over the years ... leading to the claim by many people that Tosaw was a Publicity Hound.
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by georger on December 14, 2019, 12:08:46 AM »
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NASA sky pollution surveys - Portland vs Seattle 1970. The V23 corridor between the two cities is very dark. With dark adaptation Portland would stand out ahead to pilots at 10k ft. no matter the weather. There is no cloud cover known on Earth that could obscure sky glow from these cities. Red (+5) is as high as the scale goes in 1950-75.

Georger has apparently never seen a thunderstorm and his remarks about the weather are just more nonsense.  For his information, thunderstorms in the USA can reach 40 or 50 thousand feet altitude and up to 70 thousand feet in other parts of the world.  In fact, U-2's flying at 70 thousand feet on operational missions have had to detour around them in some parts of the world.

I'll bet the picture Georger posted was made on a clear night or nearly clear night.  And if it was a "sky pollution survey" made at night, what were the frequencies that were used in the survey equipment?  Were they all in the visual to the human eye range?

I think you mean wavelengths - as for the rest of your misleading bull -  :conspiracy:

Where did you ever get the idea that you are the only weather man that matters! ? Wy dont you just write a book?

Tell us all about dark adaptation in pilots. Is your horn honking? Check your keys ....  ;) 

Why are you throwing up another roadblock! ? You just spent days saying you always meant to say (and I was too dumb to see it!): "For large cities, Cooper may have been able to see the "glow" from the city lights but he would not be able to determine any land marks."

Make up your mind Scrooge! Are you now denying you just said "For large cities, Cooper may have been able to see the "glow" from the city lights but he would not be able to determine any land marks." ?

The NASA sky brightness atlases are made from satellite photometry, which includes the visual range 380nm to the near IR (800nm). Its the greatest atlas in the history of the world - Americans wanna know! Blah blah blah ... ;)

Georger, didn't you claim at one point that you worked on the index for the NASA sky atlas?  If so, this is just you honking your own horn.

Well you are close -  :rofl:

The Moon. A NASA Lunar Atlas. Three of them. Farouk El-Baz was in charge of the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum, at the time. Maybe you knew him? Years ago I asked you if you knew him and you said 'no'.

When are you going to stop with your Inquisition?
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