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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 06:08:33 AM »
None of the descriptions of the dummy chute are mentioned anywhere in the 302's as far as I know. the red X appears to only live on the site known as the DZ. two different 302's give the same description of the chest pack missing with no mention of it being a dummy chute, training or non-functional or any type of X on the container.

A chute was found in 2001 and sent to the lab. they provided a description of the two chutes missing or so it appears that's how they described it as since only two are mentioned. one chest and one back pack..

The chest pack is described as a 24 foot, white nylon canopy white nylon shrouds- 14' length model T-7A. container was olive drab green 10" x 14" x 6". "Norm D" inscribed on the container..

The second document I have is only a partial of a 302 that I used for some reason and the date is unknown but gives the same description except for the "Norm D" inscription is not listed.

Neither document states the chute as operable or inoperable. since they appeared to have documented any writing on the container it should of been clearly visible to being some sort of training chute. I've wondered for years how Linn Emerick could of missed this given the knowledge he has. Cossey wasn't even there the day of the hijacking. could Cossey be wrong about what chutes really left the center?
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by georger on Today at 05:49:24 AM »
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Couple things about the front reserve parachutes...

This is a simplistic description, but a round parachute is made up of a series of long panels, or 'gores', that are sewn together vertically, into a circle. They're kind of triangular shaped, which gives the parachute its domed shape. There is no part that is technically known as a 'fold', but during packing the panels are folded/stacked ('flaked') on top of each other sort of accordion style. At this point the appearance is long and thin, and those stacked panels would be what was referred to by 'folds'. If they were sewn together along the edges, I'm surmising that's what Cossey did to hold them together to make the 'dummy' reserve easier to repack. To cut half of it off to reduce bulk, you could either cut some of those panels out vertically, which would be hard to do and keep all of the lines, or you could cut the top half off of it the other way.

There wasn't a standard marking for a dummy reserve, but it would be standard that it would be marked somehow, either by the red X, the whole thing painted, or I remember these cloth tapes printed 'Training Device - Do Not Jump' that were sewn on. It would definitely be clearly marked somehow so that it wasn't mistakenly used on a live jump.

It would definitely have a ripcord. That's just standard, how they're held closed and opened. Being hand deployed, what it didn't have was a pilot chute.

Pulling the ripcord and opening the container would not render it worthless. One of the flaps has cloth loops. The other flaps have grommets. Closing the container, the loops go through the grommets, then the ripcord pins go through the loops. If you wanted to hold the money in it, it would be pretty apparent how you could use parachute lines to just tie it shut.

Looking at the closed container, on the ends of it are handles made of the same material the container is. (Those handles are what those non-pink lines were attached to.) It would be easy to tie lines onto those handles and around your body or onto the main harness.

What would make Cooper reject what you describe, assuming he tried this, and go back to the original money bag ?

Likewise, if he always had the option you describe why would he ask for a knapsack at all? Why not just go with this configuration if he understood parachutes so well? 
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by dudeman17 on Today at 04:12:13 AM »
Couple things about the front reserve parachutes...

This is a simplistic description, but a round parachute is made up of a series of long panels, or 'gores', that are sewn together vertically, into a circle. They're kind of triangular shaped, which gives the parachute its domed shape. There is no part that is technically known as a 'fold', but during packing the panels are folded/stacked ('flaked') on top of each other sort of accordion style. At this point the appearance is long and thin, and those stacked panels would be what was referred to by 'folds'. If they were sewn together along the edges, I'm surmising that's what Cossey did to hold them together to make the 'dummy' reserve easier to repack. To cut half of it off to reduce bulk, you could either cut some of those panels out vertically, which would be hard to do and keep all of the lines, or you could cut the top half off of it the other way.

There wasn't a standard marking for a dummy reserve, but it would be standard that it would be marked somehow, either by the red X, the whole thing painted, or I remember these cloth tapes printed 'Training Device - Do Not Jump' that were sewn on. It would definitely be clearly marked somehow so that it wasn't mistakenly used on a live jump.

It would definitely have a ripcord. That's just standard, how they're held closed and opened. Being hand deployed, what it didn't have was a pilot chute.

Pulling the ripcord and opening the container would not render it worthless. One of the flaps has cloth loops. The other flaps have grommets. Closing the container, the loops go through the grommets, then the ripcord pins go through the loops. If you wanted to hold the money in it, it would be pretty apparent how you could use parachute lines to just tie it shut.

Looking at the closed container, on the ends of it are handles made of the same material the container is. (Those handles are what those non-pink lines were attached to.) It would be easy to tie lines onto those handles and around your body or onto the main harness.
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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by Chaucer on Today at 12:53:24 AM »
What I mean is, I assume that after the hijacking, the FBI combed missing persons reports from around the country. Did they use their own database? Were there other avenues to investigate regarding missing persons? Do they continue to follow up on missing persons from back then?

I recently ran across a guy named Roger Carlson whose car was found abandoned near the Golden Gate Bridge in 1970, but wasn't officially reported as missing until 2008 - mostly because was Native American.
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by georger on Today at 12:53:12 AM »
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I'd like to present a suspect. I have no idea if he's Cooper or not. In fact, his height and eye color probably eliminate him immediately. Nevertheless, it's worth a shot. I don't think he's been mentioned here, but maybe once quickly.

William Henry Ellis
Disappeared from Baltimore, Maryland on June 3rd, 1971 at the age of 39.

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His picture is definitely worth a double take. Moreover, there are very few details regarding his background or disappearance. The guy is a ghost. Not even newspaper articles about him.

Weirdly, there is a man by nearly the same name who died in 2015. His obituary said that he had been a resident of Vancouver, Washington since 1971. His birthday? June 3rd. The same day this guy vanished.
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Chaucer on Today at 12:47:29 AM »
I'd like to present a suspect. I have no idea if he's Cooper or not. In fact, his height probably eliminates him immediately. Nevertheless, it's worth a shot. I don't think he's been mentioned here, but maybe once quickly.

William Henry Ellis
Disappeared from Baltimore, Maryland on June 3rd, 1971 at the age of 39.

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His picture is definitely worth a double take. Moreover, there are very few details regarding his background or disappearance. The guy is a ghost. Not even newspaper articles about him.

Weirdly, there is a man by nearly the same name who died in 2015. His obituary said that he had been a resident of Vancouver, Washington since 1971. His birthday? June 3rd. The same day this guy vanished.

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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by georger on Today at 12:44:13 AM »
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Not so concerned about names, but how investigators got the names.

Unusually tips from public or law enforcement -
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by georger on Today at 12:42:35 AM »
NEWS:

Seven $20 bills found in Washougal following Ingram find at Tina Bar in February 1980!
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DB Cooper / Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Last post by 18C on Today at 12:42:01 AM »
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Latest episode is out now. Johnny Surles, a retired Lieutenant with the North Carolina Highway Patrol. He was working when McCoy robbed the bank in North Carolina after his escape from prison.

Enjoy!

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Have always found McCoy's story extremely interesting. Would make for a great movie or miniseries.
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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by Chaucer on Today at 12:39:44 AM »
Not so concerned about names, but how investigators got the names.
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