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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on Today at 12:30:34 AM »
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The question is would Cooper have handled it at all?

Not necessarily.  In the 1971 time frame, the selling agent filled out the form which was probably a two or three page booklet in this case.  If three pages, the selling agent would keep one page, the gate agent would collect the second page as Cooper boarded the aircraft, and Cooper would be left with the bottom page.  If it was two pages, the gate agent would collect the top page which would go the the airline accounting office and Cooper would keep the bottom page.

When the selling agent completed the form and it got stamped, he would probably place the remaining forms in a small folder and write the gate number and maybe boarding time on the folder and give the paperwork to Cooper.  It is unlikely that Cooper handled the completed form and he took anything he had left of the paperwork after boarding with him when he jumped.  If the selling agent and gate agent each kept a copy then those copies would go the accounting office and maybe elsewhere.

The reason for the agents doing all the writing and paperwork was to expediate things and to make sure that the information was accurate and correctly entered on the form.  If it was a cash transaction, as in the Cooper hijacking, no name or anything else was verified.     
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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by MEYDC on May 25, 2020, 09:51:35 PM »
The question is would Cooper have handled it at all?
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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by Unsurelock on May 25, 2020, 06:07:08 PM »
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Does the FBI have DB Cooper`s airplane ticket or boarding pass? If he touched those then his DNA could be on that.

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If I'm not mistaken the ticket clerk filled it out for him and took his money.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by MEYDC on May 25, 2020, 12:42:27 PM »
Does the FBI have DB Cooper`s airplane ticket or boarding pass? If he touched those then his DNA could be on that.
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by EU on May 23, 2020, 12:55:54 PM »
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Wish List, 2020:

- Three sets of Bills dipped in Columbia River Water examined for diatoms
   > February
   > March
   > July
- River silt gathered from each of the times above, checked for Diatoms/frustules
- One set of the above bills circulated in silty river water from each of those times and examined for diatoms/frustules
- Sand from the shoreline gathered at each of those times examined for diatoms/frustules, multiple depths
- Sand from the money find spot (or suspected money find spots)  at each of those times examined for diatoms/frustules, multiple depths
- Money buried in sand that is occasionally "watered" with river water checked for diatoms over time

Since we're at it...

- 3 packets of money bundled with rubber bands and suspended in river water until "fanned out," then removed from the water and immediately buried to test ability to re-stack properly. Then checked for diatoms/frustules.

Alright Eric, Tom...get those ATM cards ready!  I'll be over here if you need me. :chr2:

As it stands right now I'm flying up there June 1st. I've already had to postpone a couple of times because of the COVID stuff. My plan is to bury some bills, take back some sand from various depths and to dip a bill into the water and bring that bill back to Tom.

Then, at the beginning of August, I will retrieve the buried bills for Tom to analyze. I suppose we'll go from there.
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Unsurelock on May 23, 2020, 12:23:41 PM »
Wish List, 2020:

- Three sets of Bills dipped in Columbia River Water examined for diatoms
   > February
   > March
   > July
- River silt gathered from each of the times above, checked for Diatoms/frustules
- One set of the above bills circulated in silty river water from each of those times and examined for diatoms/frustules
- Sand from the shoreline gathered at each of those times examined for diatoms/frustules, multiple depths
- Sand from the money find spot (or suspected money find spots)  at each of those times examined for diatoms/frustules, multiple depths
- Money buried in sand that is occasionally "watered" with river water checked for diatoms over time

Since we're at it...

- 3 packets of money bundled with rubber bands and suspended in river water until "fanned out," then removed from the water and immediately buried to test ability to re-stack properly. Then checked for diatoms/frustules.

Alright Eric, Tom...get those ATM cards ready!  I'll be over here if you need me. :chr2:
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by georger on May 23, 2020, 11:13:59 AM »
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I asked Tom about this last night. Here’s how he responded:

“There was one Fragilaria (I posted the pic) and many A. formosa’s.  At the time of the post I did not know the difference, now I can tell them apart just from fragments.”

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These people have researched Columbia diatoms for decades. No learning curve required.
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Unsurelock on May 23, 2020, 10:45:49 AM »
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I asked Tom about this last night. Here’s how he responded:

“There was one Fragilaria (I posted the pic) and many A. formosa’s.  At the time of the post I did not know the difference, now I can tell them apart just from fragments.”

That was my guess. "Likely" having been my first word. The guy is doing more research, as he mentioned. Long process. Excited to see/read the results.
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by EU on May 23, 2020, 10:16:29 AM »
I asked Tom about this last night. Here’s how he responded:

“There was one Fragilaria (I posted the pic) and many A. formosa’s.  At the time of the post I did not know the difference, now I can tell them apart just from fragments.”

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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Unsurelock on May 23, 2020, 08:44:40 AM »
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This photo Tom posted shows he marked where a formosa joins at its ends vs Fragilaria crotonensis which joins in its serrated middles ... see Tom's words "connected at base" in his reference to a-formosa.

I guess keep repeating it until it's your idea and not mine?  Do you have any thoughts of your own on the matter, or were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing?

well you are the one who came here with a question - not me!   :rofl:    How about them apples! I even got her phone number!

Unlike you, I actually am laughing my ass off.  You heard of this species like an hour ago, from me, and now you think I am coming to you with questions about it.  I guess that's common when you're a college professor. Where was it you taught again?   :rofl:

Good night all. See you in the funny papers.

No. You are just upset that your original claim is probably wrong! You said: " a diatom called Fragilaria crotonensis (see attached) is a dead-ringer for what is actually on 377's bill..."  Show us Fragilaria crotonensis in any of Tom's photos. Show us any of Tom's photos where Tom himself identifies anything as Fragilaria crotonensis ?

This is simple. It either is or it aint. And, nothing in this has a God damned thing to do with ME!  I'm just a spectator in your claim.

That's very sharp of you.  You have correctly identified a fact: that Tom hasn't identified anything as Fragilaria crotonensis. At least not here. Bravo. Now if only I had said that, in my original post on the matter. And if only I had posted photos, showing those diatoms, and someone else had seen them right away and saw what I saw. And if only you could stop yourself from trying rt take everyone else's material. What's the matter, Flyjack not posting anything for you to repost? Again, do you have any thoughts of your own on the matter?

Why can you never get anything right? That's an actual question. Please answer it. (I can put together a highlight reel for you, "This is Your Life" style if you like.)

Another discussion off the rails. Is there any way I can interest you in a cozy little Jack the Ripper forum? Perhaps an Amelia Erhardt discussion page?

*Update: See EU's post below. Tom has confirmed the photo showed Fragileria Crotonensis, which I already knew, after a 10-minute Google session a week or two ago, just moments after reading his posts from February. Why did it take you three months and *ME* telling you before you even bothered to look? Don't wait for Tom to get an expert if you want your answers. Either do the research or contact someone with the knowledge *yourself* rather than pressure a guy who is already busy?  Guy's probably trying not to post things prematurely instead of satisfying your curiosity and getting it wrong.
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