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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on Today at 03:57:02 PM »
Eric is correct.  In fact, I believe we've seen the reports from the NWO employee at the freight desk who inspected the money. Not sure what his name is - but we discussed his perspective here a couple of years ago, if I remember correctly.
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DB Cooper / Re: 2019 Cooper
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on Today at 03:48:09 PM »
Road Tour Update - The Itinerary

The countryside of Hockinson is lovely. It will really surprise many Cooperites, I  believe, as it did me. It looks today very similarly as it did in 1971. Large dairy farmlands, no major hills, gentle rolling terrain. It looked ideal for an LZ.

We will meet at the Shari's in Orchards, WA at 1 pm. Shari's is a restaurant in the Fred Meyer shopping mall at the southeast corner of 76th and 117th. The latter thoroughfare is also known and posted as State Route 500/503.

Orchards is where the FBI thought DBC jumped in its 1975 revised analysis, putting the new LZ in the Hockinson area, about 3-5 northeast of Orchards.

Orchards was rural agricultural lands in 1971, but now it is a fully integrated part of the Portland-Vancouver metroplex. But Hockinson is just beyond the reach of those urban encroachments. In fact, Hockinson is now the bedroom/playground community for the very wealthy of SW Washington.

To reach Hockinson, first we'll leave Shari's and head north on 500/503 to their junction, then turn east on 500 and continue approximately five miles to 182nd Avenue. There we will turn north and head to Hockinson.

From Hochinson we will motor north, and then west back to SR 503 in Battleground, which is the original jump-off spot, and travel northeast along 503 to Amboy, the initial LZ. There we will leave 503 again and explore the forestlands along Cedar Creek Road where the initial ground search began on November 27th and continued until Sunday, November 29.

Next, we'll travel to Bernice Rhodes' home and antique store at the intersection of Pup Creek Road and Spurriel Road - just north of Cedar Creek Road - to hear her account of the intense house-to-house search for DB Cooper in that neighborhood conducted by the FBI in early December, 1971.

Afterwards, folks will have to make a decision - travel 25 miles northeast along SR 503 to Lake Merwin, the Dam, and the Ariel Tavern, or join me and other hungry Cooperites and head along the southern flank of the Lewis River via Cedar Creek Road to Woodland and arrive at La Casa Tapatia for dinner. Note: LCT is on 503, too!

After din-din, the intrepid can travel east on 503 for 12 miles to the Ariel Tavern and the Merwin Dam complex. That's an easy drive compared to the circuitous route on 503 from Amboy, which will take at least 30-40 minutes of curvy, mountainous driving. The area east of Lake Merwin can be quite rugged.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by EU on Today at 03:38:19 PM »
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The money was transported from the bank to the NWA Seattle office by a Seattle police detective.  It was almost immediately taken out to the airliner by Al Lee and the detective.  It was not counted after it arrived at SEATAC.

The cash was delivered to SeaTac by two security officials with SeaFirst Bank via an unmarked police car. When they arrived the white bank bag was removed from a large leather satchel. The seal was broken off the white bag and the contents of the white bag were viewed in a cursory manner to verify it contained cash. It was then handed off to Al Lee who later handed the money off to Tina.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on Today at 03:28:45 PM »
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The ransom measured 11" X 12" X 6.5". This equals 858 cubic inches as a block. Obviously, freely tossed in a bag the volume will be greater even though the shape may be somewhat more rounded--which is more efficient.

I spoke with a long-time bank bag company that has been in the business for 125 years making bank bags. They're actually sending me a Size H bag which is 28" X 14". Also, he is sending me a lead seal. These bags were sealed with a piece of twine throttling the neck of the bag and sealed with a crimped lead seal.. The FBI files describe the cash arriving at SeaTac, the seal being broken and the cash verified, then the cash being sent to DBC.

The money was transported from the bank to the NWA Seattle office by a Seattle police detective.  It was almost immediately taken out to the airliner by Al Lee and the detective.  It was not counted after it arrived at SEATAC.
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DB Cooper / Re: 2019 Cooper
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on Today at 03:19:11 PM »
Skyping with Tom would be fantastic. I hope it happens.
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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by EU on Today at 03:13:41 PM »
The ransom measured 11" X 12" X 6.5". This equals 858 cubic inches as a block. Obviously, freely tossed in a bag the volume will be greater even though the shape may be somewhat more rounded--which is more efficient.

I spoke with a long-time bank bag company that has been in the business for 125 years making bank bags. They're actually sending me a Size H bag which is 28" X 14". Also, he is sending me a lead seal. These bags were sealed with a piece of twine throttling the neck of the bag and sealed with a crimped lead seal.. The FBI files describe the cash arriving at SeaTac, the seal being broken and the cash verified, then the cash being sent to DBC.
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DB Cooper / Re: 2019 Cooper
« Last post by EU on Today at 03:04:01 PM »
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Too bad TK and his crew can't attend. Good sleuths and good folks. I'll miss them.

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Tom mentioned to me yesterday that he'd be interesting in speaking with the CooperCon crowd via Skype if we can work it out technologically. I'm checking into that, so, there is a possibility that after we run Tom's 2018 talk about the tie and tie particles, he may be on-hand live via Skype to answer audience questions.
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DB Cooper / Re: 2019 Cooper
« Last post by 377 on Today at 01:29:59 PM »
I hope Shutter lets Georger back on after a cooling down period. Georger can be grouchy, but he adds a lot of value. He raises the average IQ of any forum he joins. I actually wish he'd attend CooperCon.

Jerry Thomas was at times irascible on Dropzone. In-person, at the first Portland Symposium, he was a perfect gentleman. I'd love to publically debate the survivability of Cooper's jump with Jerry someday. I have a lot of respect for his qualifications and opinions but I think he is wrong that it was an almost certainly fatal jump.

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DB Cooper / Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Last post by Robert99 on Today at 01:27:21 PM »
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I'm just curious which size bank bag that Carr showed. There is nothing in the files that states the size, which is critical to my theory.

That said, I have done quite a bit of research in this area and think it is very likely that the money was delivered in a canvas currency bank bag size H.

The reasons are that the H bag is the proper size bag for the amount of currency delivered. In other words, the size H bag typically holds 12 to 13 bundles depending upon whether the currency has been circulated. The other options are either too small or very big.

Moreover, the witness testimony regarding the size of the money bag--2' X 1'--also suggests the H bag because it is a flat bag sized 29" X 14" when empty.

One of the statements that was posted in the last few days gave the bag dimensions as 1 foot by 1 foot by 9 inches.  This translates to 0.750 cubic feet.  I believe these dimensions were given by someone in the NWA Seattle office immediately before the money was taken out to the aircraft.

The dimensions of American currency bills are 6.14 inches by 2.61 inches by 0.0043 inches.  For the 10,000 bills given to Cooper, this translates to 0.3988 cubic feet.  This is the absolute minimum volume that they could occupy.  So the 0.750 cubic feet estimate given above appears to be realistic.

The weight of a bill is given as about 0.04 ounces or about 1 gram.  There are 454 grams in a pound.  For the 10,000 Cooper bills this translates to 22.03 pounds which is accurate.

Cooper cut about 100 feet of shroud lines from one of the reserve chutes according to Tom Kaye's measurements.  This length of lines could wrap around the bill bag more than 25 times.  So Cooper could have tied that bundle of bills into a very secure package as well as attach it to himself.
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DB Cooper / Re: 2019 Cooper
« Last post by 377 on Today at 01:27:10 PM »
Hard to choose between EU's boat pilgrimage to the holy site and Bruce's generously hosted land tour of Cooper Territory.
I'm arriving Friday evening and departing Monday morning. I especially want to attend the evening brew chats. Last year members of the general public (not Vortex folks) attended these events and came forward with interesting questions and even possible Cooper evidence. None of the evidence panned out but who knows? Some evening it could happen, the clue that ties it all together. We Vortex dwellers like to think that it will be one of us who solves the case, but it's more likely that it will be a friend or relative of Cooper's who finds the probative link.

Too bad TK and his crew can't attend. Good sleuths and good folks. I'll miss them.

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