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DB Cooper / Re: General Questions About The Case
« Last post by 377 on Today at 06:18:03 PM »
Still looking at the intersection of USFS Smoke Jumpers, skydivers and CIA front airlines like SAT and Air America. Interesting that Boeing's 727 airdrop flight tests came to light when Don Kirlin, organizer of the World Free Fall Convention  needed to get tech data to satisfy the FAA that 727 jumps could be made safely. Somehow Don, a former military pilot, knew about the Boeing data. When he needed a C 130 Herc for dropping skydivers at his convention, guess what company supplied one?  Southern Air Transport, same outfit that did the 727 airdrops over Thailand.

Small world...

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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by MeyerLouie on Today at 02:51:50 AM »
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I think Galen's contributions to the Norjak investigation are significant. Further, they are described extensively in my book for those who want a closer examination.

But here's a synopsis: his investigation of Tina, the convent, Dr. E-T, the Dormuth's, and Tina's ex. He found Tina when no one else could. Further, Galen has had numerous interviews with Alice, Flo, Bill, and even Anderson. His research on Wolfie is invaluable, even though I don't think Gossett is Cooper. In addition, Galen's findings on the letters is singular. He has had extensive email exchanges with both Eng and Carr, plus on site visits to the Seattle Division. He successfully sued the FBI and got access to Norjak evidence. The depth and breath of his knowledge on Norjak is not surpassed.

He even uncovered the cattle mutilations on the Fazio ranch. He's spent 50K on his investigations. Who else can match that?

As for fabrication of evidence or findings, I am not aware of any. Georger says he has been "nailed" numerous times. Please elucidate.

Does he have faults? Yup. He can act like a jerk at times, and Blevins drives him nuts. So what? To me, Galen's family, and he has never lied to me.


There you go again, Bruce, Galen's messenger, Galen's mouthpiece.  Two peas in a pod.  Cattle mutilations?  Did Galen find out that DB Cooper did that?  What's that got to do with anything here?  Nice list though.  You are a loyal friend.
Meyer
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on Today at 02:20:57 AM »
In case you haven't seen the Doug Perry piece on Bill Rollins in the Oregonian:

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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on Today at 12:54:35 AM »
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...Why does Tina need to be investigated?  How did the Nuns at the Convent, Dr. E-T (whoever/whatever that is), the Dormuth's, and Tina's ex get involved in this?

Cattle mutilations on the Fazio ranch related to the Cooper hijacking?  I would never have suspected that....


I think investigating Tina is a worthy endeavor because her personality and behavior changed drastically in the years after the skyjacking. The question is why.

I suspect that those changes may be related to Norjak in some fashion. Hence, I tried contacting her, her sister and brother-in-law, her friends from NWO and high school who publically inquired about her, the nuns where she was interviewed by several authors - such as Calame and Tosaw, who related very disturbing cognitive deficits - and other family and colleagues.

I found the resistance from the Mucklow clan to be extraordinary, and it made me more suspect. As Shakespeare said: "I think me lady doth protest too much..."

Nevertheless, are the changes due to some form of PTSD from the skyjacking? Maybe. But I suspect not.

Further, Tina, along with Flo and Alice, have chosen not to discuss the discrepancies between their narrative of the skyjacking and what most passengers have told me, which I have enumerated here multiple times.

BTW: Dr. E-T is Dr. Eisenhower-Turner. She is a Philly psychiatrist who went to the Lankenau School for Girls with Tina and Jane Mucklow. C'mon people - read my book. Her relationship to Tina and her position in the investigation is spelled-out in detail in those pages.

As for the cattle mutilations at the Fazio ranch, NO, I do not think they are part of the Norjak story.

But these incidents are real and part of a much larger phenomena, as many of you have pointed out to me here and at the DZ. Further, I do not think they are related to UFO phenomena, either, because I feel that all extraterrestrials have really good moms and dads who teach them superior manners: i.e.: pick up after yourself and don't leave a mess for others to clean. Therefore, it seems that the folks who do the cattle mutilations have not had the benefit of good parenting.

That said, I do not think the mutilators are satanic worshipers, whoever they might be, as posited by the Clark County Sherriff's Office and others. I've only met one Satan worshipper and she had trouble tying her shoes, so complex surgery in the field seems unlikely - and at a level of sophistication that they didn't spill a drop of blood nor leave a footprint- whew!

But they left the carcasses behind, which suggests to me that the people who do these kinds of disgusting behaviors are looking to instill fear, or generate ridicule towards those of us who investigate these events.

Therefore, to me, the cattle mutilations at the Fazios and elsewhere smack of a Psy Ops program. Run buy whom? I don't know, but I have suspicions of the usual kind. Specifically, I find the scenarios put forward by Dr. Steven Greer to be plausible. But those possibilities lead to deeper issues, which are beyond the scope of these pages. Hence, email me if you would like to discuss them.

As for Ramtha, I do not know if he has a base, and I prefer to think of him as the male gender. In fact, I have no idea where he lives or exists when he's not channeling through JZ Knight in Yelm, WA. Since Ms. Knight is a woman I can understand that it may seem confusing to those looking at the phenomenon from the outside. But since I'm the only one here who has met Ramtha personally I suggest you take my word for it until you have a more advanced perspective.
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Bruce A. Smith on Today at 12:51:30 AM »
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Well its not news that Galen cannot post here, for past misdeeds shall we say. . why is that suddenly news to you!? What cave have you been living in?


Galen's status here is not news to me. Why do you think it is, Georger?
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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by georger on September 19, 2017, 11:18:02 PM »
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Can anybody here tell me their personal opinions on how the money was degraded? So far the choices are physical, chemical and biological.  Physical as in the action of tumbling down the river; biological as in a microorganism or worm or beetle, etc.; chemical as in use your imagination. Aliens, maybe, for a fourth option.

All of the forces you mention are evident: physical, chemical and biological. See Tom's website. Tumbling down the river is not evident - the money was probably in some container - that's the assumption. An agent did observe the bills were 'rounded' and he attributed that to 'rolling or tumbling', but the exact same rounding occurs in nature by other forces. Square objects tended to be rounded in water flow, wind, etc. ... just like rocks are rounded in flowing water. 
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New Board / Re: Tragedy Strikes Again
« Last post by Shutter on September 19, 2017, 10:22:22 PM »
Services will be on Saturday at 10:00 am at St. Davids Church in Davie. I wouldn't doubt several hundred attend. people are flying in for the funeral..lots of people I haven't seen in over 30 years. too bad it had to be this way..at least I will have old friends to help say good bye to another old friend, a brother really..

Dave Brown

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DB Cooper / Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Last post by Unsurelock on September 19, 2017, 08:58:30 PM »
Can anybody here tell me their personal opinions on how the money was degraded? So far the choices are physical, chemical and biological.  Physical as in the action of tumbling down the river; biological as in a microorganism or worm or beetle, etc.; chemical as in use your imagination. Aliens, maybe, for a fourth option.
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by 377 on September 19, 2017, 06:31:03 PM »
G wrote:  "... I think practically the only thing that could have put the money bag in the river to be snagged on the bottom was Cooper throwing it in himself, from a bridge? And that is an option I don't want to face or try explaining!" 

Agree Georger. Jo has a perfect explanation but I don't buy it.  Only Vicki's Dad has a history of tossing large quantities of currency in a river. But it was all counterfeit.  I can't why Cooper or any finder of the NORJACK loot would toss it into the river. The damned T Bar money find messes up everything.

I once entertained the idea that the Ingram money wasn't actually found at T Bar, but the T Bar chard field makes me discard that explanation as extremely unlikely.

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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by georger on September 19, 2017, 04:50:27 PM »
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"NASA has secret settlements on the Moon and Mars as well. ::)"

Not NASA. It's the Illuminati, Elders of Zion, Knights of Malta. Their ET bases are clearly shown on YouTube. 😉

Ramtha probably doesn't need a base.

The chard field and currency stacks almost have to be a single T Bar event. A dredge intervention could explain it I think. There was a robust dredge discussion back on Dropzine. George and Snow did a lot of research as I recall.

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I didn't mention Ramtha because I already knew that Bruce was totally dedicated to her.

The money could also have arrived at Tina Bar as a single event from upstream and then gotten moved around by the grading of the new sand that was added there to repair the erosions.

I have always tended toward a single event explanation. A single time, and it has to be early in order for subsequent rearrangements of the strata to happen. I think in truth that is one of the reasons Tom opts for 1971-72. Tom is basically saying ' time is crucial' to construct the scene found in 1980, ie layers of strata with money apparently distributed through what appeared to be several layers.

Tom's/Palmer's clay layer is crucial, I think.

Two facts are key. (Fact 1) Erosion/removal and replacement are facts of life at Tina Bar. ((Fact 2) Nobody noticed money on Tina Bar from 1971-1980! Cook claims he had a finder in 1979 but has never documented that. That means that whatever deposited the money it got removed/buried very quickly - maybe simultaneous with the arrival. That requires lots of sand. The only thing I know of that could supply that amount of sand in a wide area at T-Bar was the dredging.

But I hate the dredging solution! I just hate it! Because it is a black hole we may never solve in its ramifications (Tom points that out and he is 100% correct!). Because I think practically the only thing that could have put the money bag in the river to be snagged on the bottom was Cooper throwing it in himself, from a bridge? And that is an option I don't want to face or try explaining! 

     
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