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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by FLYJACK on Today at 09:57:11 AM »
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The passengers stated different accounts due to not having a reason to recall him...the stews are consistent with a greater height than it getting lower...none of his actions speak Cooper....the stews had reason to watch him note details...things they are trained for...until proven otherwise the statement I read says 5' 8".....actual data is needed just as it would be needed to counter eye witness accounts....or actual statements....assuming doesn't do it in my opinion ...

On my phone...spell check corrected words that are correct lol

It is YOU who is assuming...

you accept NORJAK witnesses but reject Hahneman's witnesses. << all those passengers knew he was a hijacker

It is too close and imprecise to hang a suspect elimination on.. PERIOD

Do you have another reason to eliminate him?
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 09:49:09 AM »
The passengers stated different accounts due to not having a reason to recall him...the stews are consistent with a greater height than it getting lower...none of his actions speak Cooper....the stews had reason to watch him note details...things they are trained for...until proven otherwise the statement I read says 5' 8".....actual data is needed just as it would be needed to counter eye witness accounts....or actual statements....assuming doesn't do it in my opinion ...

On my phone...spell check corrected words that are correct or changes them...lol
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by FLYJACK on Today at 09:12:23 AM »
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"perhaps" is not certain....just thought I would point that out...

You guys are way off on the height thing and making a grave error in logic, context and judgement. It makes me question (some of) your integrity.. The error is giving false context and too much credibility in Hahneman's FBI early suspect height. Nobody is changing Cooper's height << that is a strawman.

If Hahneman were confirmed 5' 9" to 5' 10" does that alone eliminate him from NORJAK? ANSWER = NO

Mucklow 5' 10" - 6'
Schaffner 6'
Mitchell 5' 9" - 5' 10"
Spreckel 5' 10"
Labissoniere 5' 10"
Gregory 5' - 9"


The argument is that Hahneman is exactly 5' 8" because of an early (BOLO) FBI suspect description, that is nonsense. WE do not know the source of it and therefore we do not know the context. Comparing that without context to the collection of NORJAK witness estimates is apples and oranges. The FBI number may have been an estimate, an error, a rounding number maybe it was 5' 8 1/2", from a relative or medical record. We have no context. The passengers said Hahneman was "perhaps 5' 10"..

For argument, let's assume it is from a medical record. When you get measured that is without variables shoes/socks and to the top of your head not hair. NORJAK witnesses did not measure Cooper's height without shoes/socks and less hair.. DID THEY

You can add and inch to inch and half with shoes/socks and hair added that puts Hahneman's hijacker height between 5' 9" to 5' 10" right where his passengers did "perhaps 5' 10". << that is too close to Cooper to eliminate.

Anybody that claims they can eliminate Hahneman based solely on that unverified FBI suspect height should have their Cooper Sleuth credentials revoked.. (IMO)
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 07:29:07 AM »
We had sailshaw claiming Cooper had contacts to change the color.  The loopholes are endless. I have never seen the weight altered..I'm surprised we haven't seen an overweight Cooper yet.. A  suntan fills in for Olive skin...short pale and bald seems to work...why not 260 lbs at 5' 11"
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Lynn on Today at 02:40:36 AM »
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Heres another suspect in my opinion

Charles tuller

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His son looks pretty tall

I believe height has a lot to do with genetics

What determines the height of a person?

The short answer is that about 60 to 80 percent of the difference in height between individuals is determined by genetic 'factors' mediated by the endocrine system, whereas 20 to 40 percent of the difference can be attributed to environmental effects, mainly nutrition. ... In the U.S., the genetic heritability of height is estimated as about 80 percent for white men with different estimates for other racial types.

The issue is statistical, for example the gene for having an extra finger is actually dominant, while the gene for having a tall stature is a recessive trait. Genes alone do not guarantee an outcome but only an influence - other factors combine to produce an actual result.

The CODIS-13 system used to identify persons cannot in-and-of itself identify the height of a person, which may surprise you!   

Okay, as I understand it, 6 feet now means 5 feet 8 inches if necessary to fit the suspect of choice into Cooper's reported profile.

How about eye color?  Is anyone claiming that Cooper's eyes were blue instead of the reported color?

Eyes do change color.  My own eye color has changed completely in the last 20 years or so.

One can deny the whole description to admit in a suspect, I suppose.

Eye color at the time of the crime is what matters.

No single trait is going to prove or disprove a suspect. This is why prints and the CODIS loci tests are important in unison. Having the ability to rule people out is a very strong positive asset. That level of reliability is very difficult to attack, even in Court. If multiple tests produced that level of reliability then the FBI has a very powerful tool indeed. Suspect and conspiracy promoters will insist the FBI does not have that level of certainty, but only the FBI lab knows. We get a hint of what the FBI thinks it has each time the FBI announces x,y, or z  has failed comparison tests the FBI says it conducted. The FBI usually does not make announcements of this kind unless it feels it has evidence that would stand up in Court. 

Closing the case allowed the FBI to move its physical evidence to a secure site. That move enhanced the chances for future testing which may have even better reliability than previous testing. That was a wise move if this case is to have any future value. 

I hold out hope that future testing may trace Cooper to a familial line, somewhere. If that ever happens then Cooper himself cannot be far behind. And every year more and more professionals are taking note of this old case willing to lend their expertise.

The window is closing on Cooper suspect promotion/marketing.  O0 C:-) :rofl: 

 
Window closing, oh, dear, oh, dear - okay, I got dibs on Dick Cavett. Any reason Dick Cavett couldn't have been D.B. Cooper? Same initials. No wait, too short. Dabney Coleman. Piece of cake.
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DB Cooper / Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Last post by Lynn on Today at 02:31:36 AM »
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Nothing "cute" about the extensive buried shard field residing directly below the currency stacks. No way those shards were deliberately planted. Nature put em there, not a person with a scheme.

I used to be a believer in the plant theory to explain the T Bar currency find, but the shard field (well documented in a TV news video) forced me to change my mind.

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I don't think Cooper planted the bills to fool anyone, or at all. Before I get smoked, though, lemme put my speculation banner up:

lazy Sunday speculation, and fie on you, T-Bar, you seductress
The things that niggle me about the money and Cooper are:

1) he was carrying a crapload of stuff, too much to be inconspicuous, including 20+ lbs of money in a bank bag. He'd have looked like one of the Beagle Boys making it to the nearest road with that much stuff on him.
2) the compression of the bills vs. the way Kaye found they fanned in water. T-Bar is where the bills ended up (but not all of them) and the shards show they were at T-Bar for some time undergoing natural burial and uncovering. I don't think they started there. I think they were compressed elsewhere and eventually dislodged by whatever natural force (wind, flood, nesting birds, etc), winding up on T-Bar. That does not mean they were initially planted. But they could have been temporarily hidden and damaged before retrieval OR could have hit the ground with a dead man and been carried by the forces of nature later.

McCoy had to ditch his loot as well - he got caught because someone was onto him, as far as I've read anyway, but the loot itself was hidden in a culvert. The authorities also found all the Honduran guy's cash in a lump sum but no details were ever released on it. Bottom line: unless Cooper had an accomplice/vehicle (and the requisite equipment/ESP to find them on the ground!) he HAD to temporarily ditch at least some of his stuff to make the getaway.

Some of the money could come with him. The briefcase (and mysterious white bag of his own) could have contained quite a bit. Plus with an overcoat, suit jacket, shirt and pants, he had at least 9 pockets, and all we know he had with him for sure is a knife and likely a wallet, though the ticket agent doesn't specifically remember one.

He couldn't have returned for the money right away unless pretending to be a volunteer in the ground search or a treasure hunter. By the time he got back to the loot, part or all of it may already have been damaged (the bills do seem to show two levels of damage) and he may simply have discarded it. If it got found, it makes his death look more likely, which can only work in his favour. (That's why I don't think he wrote the letters. He was better off dead in the feds' eyes. Most criminals are not Zodiac. Most don't dare the feds to catch them.)

The discarded (not planted) money then had years to make it to T-Bar, by whatever means. He wouldn't have discarded it by burial; that would prove he lived. If he ditched it above-ground, the first squall could have carried it anywhere. And there would have been a lot of squalls and other weather factors over the years.

Equally possible: Cooper died, and part of the loot ended up at T-Bar. It just doesn't explain where the rest of the money and all that stuff went. Cooper himself could have been mauled and eaten. But he had a crapton of material on him as well that would have been of no interest to a wild animal. If he crashed into the earth, he also would likely have dropped stuff of no interest to animals. So where is it?

End of lazy Sunday speculationBy the way, one more question - anyone remember much detail about the raincoat? Was it a trenchcoat? Did it have a belt?

Too broad to answer -

Read the thread here and at DZ re-Tina Bar Money Find.

 :chr2:
Have read both at various times (probably not all of the DZ because that thing's just too annoying to read - life's too short to sort the wheat from the chaff on there, and at the end of it all, even the wheat didn't turn up our lad. I have read most of the Ckret posts on DZ but as copied to the vault. ) However, I've seen nothing that gives a definitive explanation for the money find at T-Bar - lots of spec all round, nothing proven -  for all people keep trying to pretend there's been anything gleaned from it but more questions. I'm sure most of us have a fave theory (and equally sure none of us is immune from confirmation bias.) What none of us has is a corpse, the rest of Cooper's gear, or a circulated twenty. Still Schrödinger's Skyjacker.

 :chr2:
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by georger on Today at 01:04:57 AM »
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Heres another suspect in my opinion

Charles tuller

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His son looks pretty tall

I believe height has a lot to do with genetics

What determines the height of a person?

The short answer is that about 60 to 80 percent of the difference in height between individuals is determined by genetic 'factors' mediated by the endocrine system, whereas 20 to 40 percent of the difference can be attributed to environmental effects, mainly nutrition. ... In the U.S., the genetic heritability of height is estimated as about 80 percent for white men with different estimates for other racial types.

The issue is statistical, for example the gene for having an extra finger is actually dominant, while the gene for having a tall stature is a recessive trait. Genes alone do not guarantee an outcome but only an influence - other factors combine to produce an actual result.

The CODIS-13 system used to identify persons cannot in-and-of itself identify the height of a person, which may surprise you!   

Okay, as I understand it, 6 feet now means 5 feet 8 inches if necessary to fit the suspect of choice into Cooper's reported profile.

How about eye color?  Is anyone claiming that Cooper's eyes were blue instead of the reported color?

Eyes do change color.  My own eye color has changed completely in the last 20 years or so.

One can deny the whole description to admit in a suspect, I suppose.

Eye color at the time of the crime is what matters.

No single trait is going to prove or disprove a suspect. This is why prints and the CODIS loci tests are important in unison. Having the ability to rule people out is a very strong positive asset. That level of reliability is very difficult to attack, even in Court. If multiple tests produced that level of reliability then the FBI has a very powerful tool indeed. Suspect and conspiracy promoters will insist the FBI does not have that level of certainty, but only the FBI lab knows. We get a hint of what the FBI thinks it has each time the FBI announces x,y, or z  has failed comparison tests the FBI says it conducted. The FBI usually does not make announcements of this kind unless it feels it has evidence that would stand up in Court. 

Closing the case allowed the FBI to move its physical evidence to a secure site. That move enhanced the chances for future testing which may have even better reliability than previous testing. That was a wise move if this case is to have any future value. 

I hold out hope that future testing may trace Cooper to a familial line, somewhere. If that ever happens then Cooper himself cannot be far behind. And every year more and more professionals are taking note of this old case willing to lend their expertise.

The window is closing on Cooper suspect promotion/marketing.  O0 C:-) :rofl: 

 
 
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Robert99 on Today at 12:44:50 AM »
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Heres another suspect in my opinion

Charles tuller

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His son looks pretty tall

I believe height has a lot to do with genetics

What determines the height of a person?

The short answer is that about 60 to 80 percent of the difference in height between individuals is determined by genetic 'factors' mediated by the endocrine system, whereas 20 to 40 percent of the difference can be attributed to environmental effects, mainly nutrition. ... In the U.S., the genetic heritability of height is estimated as about 80 percent for white men with different estimates for other racial types.

The issue is statistical, for example the gene for having an extra finger is actually dominant, while the gene for having a tall stature is a recessive trait. Genes alone do not guarantee an outcome but only an influence - other factors combine to produce an actual result.

The CODIS-13 system used to identify persons cannot in-and-of itself identify the height of a person, which may surprise you!   

Okay, as I understand it, 6 feet now means 5 feet 8 inches if necessary to fit the suspect of choice into Cooper's reported profile.

How about eye color?  Is anyone claiming that Cooper's eyes were blue instead of the reported color?

Eyes do change color.  My own eye color has changed completely in the last 20 years or so.
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by georger on Today at 12:21:22 AM »
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Heres another suspect in my opinion

Charles tuller

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His son looks pretty tall

I believe height has a lot to do with genetics

What determines the height of a person?

The short answer is that about 60 to 80 percent of the difference in height between individuals is determined by genetic 'factors' mediated by the endocrine system, whereas 20 to 40 percent of the difference can be attributed to environmental effects, mainly nutrition. ... In the U.S., the genetic heritability of height is estimated as about 80 percent for white men with different estimates for other racial types.

The issue is statistical, for example the gene for having an extra finger is actually dominant, while the gene for having a tall stature is a recessive trait. Genes alone do not guarantee an outcome but only an influence - other factors combine to produce an actual result.

The markers used in the CODIS-13 system used to identify persons cannot in-and-of itself identify the height of a person, which may surprise you!  A nuclear dna evaluation would be required to estimate height.   
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by DovidFraiman on April 23, 2018, 11:50:10 PM »
Heres another suspect in my opinion

Charles tuller

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His son looks pretty tall

I believe height has a lot to do with genetics



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