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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 11:55:12 AM »
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Somebody should put together a suspect profile/matrix.. and tick boxes.

FJ, if you want to do this I could make a page on the website that everyone can see.
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 11:28:25 AM »
weather seems favorable today. I'm going to try a test with the drone. this will be a test between two samples. one undamaged and the other damaged as we seen the placard was when it was found.
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 11:05:08 AM »
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Anytime you or Shutter figure out ALL the details on how someone managed to buy a 15K house without a down payment on record...for a mere $7,500...and explain away a Promissory Note without a paper record in the transaction...you'll be sure to let me know.

Robert, you haven't figured out anything. all the records are not online to just tell you exactly what happened. even Mark tried to find more records years back. you make a lot of assumptions and turn them into fact. you didn't ask the real estate agent the right questions if you continue to state property was purchased for $10. how do you know he didn't take over the payments of what was owed? you don't have all the records, period. the down payment is between the mortgage company and the parties involved. you clearly don't have all the records or we would know exactly what transpired. Pierce count doesn't have them anymore. Cowlitz county doesn't have any record of the placard. unfortunately, time removes things. it's funny how you respond to the samethings I spoke of with mortgage companies on the up and up.

Not one person has said anything bad about your camping trip. if you are referring to what is said on the Mountains news, then say that and leave everyone else out of your drama! I decided not to tie up the thread over there especially when you already take that job. Dropzone has one thread that is suppose to be about DB Cooper. you make it about everyone else with Cooper in the background. you once again assume and resort to personal attacks!

Robert, did you attend or promote anything Eric did. please explain how you believe we should return any favors your way when you constantly speak negative about people. 95% of your dropzone comments are just that? did you separate personal from business? you have personally attacked him for the last couple years, including "poison pen tactics"
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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 02:03:21 AM »
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Kenny takes almost twenty years to pay off the original mortgage, the first half of the price of the home. If anyone were to question him about it, he can say he only pays $90 a month for the property. This would deflect any suspicion he was spending beyond his means.


Wrong again, the FBI would simply contact the mortgage company and see the arrangement made with the purchase. everything would be known by them. they are the lenders and by law it has to be on the up and up. the whole deal would have to be private to try and get away with anything. the county is made aware of deals as well. it's not as easy as you keep thinking it is playing around with real estate. there is a reason they have records? even if you sell a house way under the value will hurt the homes around that house. again, he was paying $18 a month. it did hurt him in the long run but ended up paying it off fully after selling the other property he had. ended up being a nice little nest egg.

I don't know if the mortgage was a fixed rate or not. it probably increased over time. even 20 years at $18 wasn't enough. then you have interest.

The FBI or any law enforcement does the same as we do by checking backgrounds and finances..
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 01:35:26 AM »
I had plenty of crash and burns myself learning. here is a video of me trying to land different aircraft with not so good results  :rofl:

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DB Cooper / Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Last post by Shutter on Today at 12:17:56 AM »
ten dollars for consideration DOESN'T mean he paid that amount. you have been told a dozen time over. $10 and $! is often used for the simple fact of the actual price is nobody's business and those amounts are put into place. the mortgage was only $18 a month and Kenny probably didn't care to bother paying it off quickly. you clearly don't know anything about mortgages and promissory notes.

You sent this information twice to the FBI making you look bad for not researching real estate sales enough to know what is what.

This quote has been shown to you dozens of times and like the 302's you ignore it.

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The ten dollars is the "peppercorn" that provides concrete consideration and ensures that the contract is valid, while the actual amount paid for the house is hidden and referred to only as the "other good and valuable consideration."

The average mortgage for that period was around $120 a month. Kenny made a good deal like he always has with property according to records and his background of making money. you keep trying to put mystery into shit you don't even understand. you can't pull the wool over banks or mortgage companies either..

You seem to have a lot of spare time. perhaps you could do something honest for a change like removing all the factual error's in your book you so proudly admit to profiting from. it's 100% beyond a shadow of doubt wrong, especially if the author knows it's wrong and should of been corrected YEARS ago!
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by MarkBennett on November 27, 2020, 10:01:51 PM »
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I'm a sim pilot only. we put the simulator through a lot of testing with speed, altitude , drag, weather etc. Hominid put me through dozens of tests. then learning how to actually fly it.

using the transcripts and Harrison papers we were able to get speeds and altitudes to try and match what was presented on the map made by the Air Force as well as following what was stated in the transcripts. I was able to match speeds of 170 knots along with a ground speed of close to 200 if not mistaken. the fule flow matched as well as the wid speeds and direction.

The first leg was tricky since the transcripts showed different speeds. I was able to reach Toledo, or Carlson field at the time frame marked on the map. then from there I crossed the Lewis river at around 8:10. from this point to the Columbia is a little longer than the map shows with timing.

If you go by this then Cooper jumped somewhere around the area they pinpointed. getting the exact spot would never be accomplished IMO. times are given from 8:10 to 8:15 where he could of possibly jumped. no  coords or actual position of the plane were given by the pilot other than mark the spot which they apparently didn't do.

If the briefcase was imitation as believed its long gone by deterioration. he could of dumped the contents over an area which is nothing but forest and remains that way today. it would be very hard to find. the briefcase would be extra luggage not really needed.

I saw the simulator!  I can confirm it!  Unfortunately, I crashed every time I tried to use it.   ;D
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on November 27, 2020, 07:59:14 PM »
Has flight data  involved but probably better off in clues and documents...no biggie that it's here.
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Dfs346 on November 27, 2020, 06:40:27 PM »
Not sure where this story belongs.

SMSgt Wally Johnson, in his 2013 interview with the Washington State Historical Society, identified Captain Thomas Spangler as the co-pilot on the "sled test" flight of 01.06.1972. In the same interview, Johnson recalled a previous flight with Spangler, on a C-141 which had an uncommanded deployment of three thrust reversers in flight. They made an emergency landing at Baker City, Oregon. Here's the funny thing: the MAC Flyer of June 1969 has an account of that incident: Johnson was aboard but Spangler was not.
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DB Cooper / Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Last post by Shutter on November 27, 2020, 04:12:37 PM »
I'm a sim pilot only. we put the simulator through a lot of testing with speed, altitude , drag, weather etc. Hominid put me through dozens of tests. then learning how to actually fly it.

using the transcripts and Harrison papers we were able to get speeds and altitudes to try and match what was presented on the map made by the Air Force as well as following what was stated in the transcripts. I was able to match speeds of 170 knots along with a ground speed of close to 200 if not mistaken. the fule flow matched as well as the wid speeds and direction.

The first leg was tricky since the transcripts showed different speeds. I was able to reach Toledo, or Carlson field at the time frame marked on the map. then from there I crossed the Lewis river at around 8:10. from this point to the Columbia is a little longer than the map shows with timing.

If you go by this then Cooper jumped somewhere around the area they pinpointed. getting the exact spot would never be accomplished IMO. times are given from 8:10 to 8:15 where he could of possibly jumped. no  coords or actual position of the plane were given by the pilot other than mark the spot which they apparently didn't do.

If the briefcase was imitation as believed its long gone by deterioration. he could of dumped the contents over an area which is nothing but forest and remains that way today. it would be very hard to find. the briefcase would be extra luggage not really needed.
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