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Offline Jemison Thorsby

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« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2015, 11:03:48 AM »
Great conversation, thanks for all the points of view. Someone mentioned the "secret hiding place" in the Christiansen house as discovered in the Decoded episode. That really made me laugh when I first saw the show and was a real reach by the show. There was no "trap door", and the entire attic would have been as effective a hiding place, but at the same time reckless. That was silly and reeked of manufactured evidence for continuity of a novel in progress....I had never read of the property sales by Christiansen to explain his estate, that is far too obvious for the producers of Decoded to have missed, it just didn't fit their narrative. The line between investigative journalism and entertainment/fiction has been blurred beyond repair I suppose.
 

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« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2015, 05:25:46 PM »
The board in the attic was part of the countertop for the kitchen. somehow after they demolished the inside of the house turning it into a commercial building the board found it's way up to the attic. who knows, perhaps someone used it to stand on while putting new insulation in the attic, work was done to the roof inside, dozens of possibilities. a hiding spot isn't one of them  8)
 

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« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2015, 07:16:56 PM »
The current day accusations of Kenny Christiansen being Dan Cooper are BY FAR the worst case of confirmation bias I have ever seen. EVER!

As far as the Decoded show goes, watch a few more episodes and it will quickly become clear what that show is all about. The episode on Kenny is not the exception.

Welcome to the forum Jemison.
 

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« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2015, 07:29:39 PM »
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The current day accusations of Kenny Christiansen being Dan Cooper are BY FAR the worst case of confirmation bias I have ever seen. EVER!

As far as the Decoded show goes, watch a few more episodes and it will quickly become clear what that show is all about. The episode on Kenny is not the exception.

Welcome to the forum Jemison.

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« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2015, 10:45:31 AM »
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The current day accusations of Kenny Christiansen being Dan Cooper are BY FAR the worst case of confirmation bias I have ever seen. EVER!

As far as the Decoded show goes, watch a few more episodes and it will quickly become clear what that show is all about. The episode on Kenny is not the exception.

Welcome to the forum Jemison.


They had a couple episodes I liked, but only in the entertainment form. I emailed Brad Meltzer about a year ago showing him things we found. I also included documents the other researchers failed to notice, or understand!

here is his reply...I took the center part out of his email even though it's public info.

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Brad Meltzer (bradmeltzergmail.com)  7/02/14   Keep this message at the top of your inbox 
Thanks for writing, Dave -- means more than you know. And thanks for sharing this.
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« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2015, 03:37:24 PM »
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The current day accusations of Kenny Christiansen being Dan Cooper are BY FAR the worst case of confirmation bias I have ever seen. EVER!

As far as the Decoded show goes, watch a few more episodes and it will quickly become clear what that show is all about. The episode on Kenny is not the exception.

Welcome to the forum Jemison.


They had a couple episodes I liked, but only in the entertainment form. I emailed Brad Meltzer about a year ago showing him things we found. I also included documents the other researchers failed to notice, or understand!

here is his reply...I took the center part out of his email even though it's public info.

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Brad Meltzer (bradmeltzergmail.com)  7/02/14   Keep this message at the top of your inbox 
Thanks for writing, Dave -- means more than you know. And thanks for sharing this.

That's very abstract! And smiley faced.  The truth is the Kenny-was-Cooper program was an abortion and a disaster. It had the credibility of your average alien abduction and cure-for-cancer story. Pulp fiction at it's core.
Claiming to be educational and "Grey Lives Matter"! ???  :)
 
 

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« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2015, 04:15:07 PM »
At the same time I emailed Buddy Levy with the same information sent to Brad, but he gave a response you would expect to hear from a politician  ;D :D

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intriguing story that won't go away in American lore! Thanks, Buddy

? that's your answer Buddy?
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« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2015, 05:32:25 PM »
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At the same time I emailed Buddy Levy with the same information sent to Brad, but he gave a response you would expect to hear from a politician  ;D :D

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intriguing story that won't go away in American lore! Thanks, Buddy

? that's your answer Buddy?

This discussion always ends where it began - NOWHERE!

As kids in Sunday Bible Class we used to classify this under the heading of: "Monkey shit and the tree split." I wonder if Buddy teaches Bible School tooo ?    :o
 

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« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2015, 05:37:52 PM »
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I wonder if Buddy teaches Bible School tooo ?    :o

I think he's rather gullible IMO....Buddy that is... :o
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« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2015, 02:46:01 AM »
As far as Buddy goes, I'd say it was a TV show, not an investigation.  It was probably scripted by the producers.

For example, a scene shows them walking out of the hotel room where they interviewed Bernie Geestman and the conversation went something like "I believed him!  "  "You, too?  So did I but I didn't want to say anything", as if they said this on leaving.

If you think about how this was shot, there probably wasn't a camera outside to film them leaving the hotel room in addition to the one that was inside shooting the interview.  (Often there is just one camera and they film the interviewee and come back and shoot the interviewers later and put it together, but I digress).  It might have been hours later, after Bernie had left when they were filmed leaving the hotel.  And, they may not have got it right on the first take.

What I'm trying to say in a roundabout way is that episode was somewhat scripted and Buddy Levy's comment kind of reflects that.
 

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« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2015, 10:06:24 AM »
I'm sure most of the scenes were scripted. it could of been hours later they did the shot outside. I think they went over Bobby's notes, and did some internet searching, and that was it. I've always wondered how much Skipp really did. he should of found the documents we did. Skipp was active, but only in the beginning which was almost a decade ago! then he did a Jo, and went POOF  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Sky Jacking Previous to D B Cooper
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2015, 12:30:42 PM »
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Which begs the question: how did he get to be the first to realize the elegance of stealing an airplane for money and parachuting away?

Hence, did someone tell him? Who was that? Did that person tell anyone else???

According to an article I read:

"While downing shots of vodka in his Victoria, British Columbia, apartment, Paul Cini had watched a television news segment about a failed hijacking for ransom. In the midst of the story, his alcohol-fuzzed mind somehow managed to produce a eureka moment: The best way for a hijacker to escape justice was not to fly abroad, but rather to jump from the plane".

Points to Cini for being perhaps the first to think of the idea. It seems the first to implement it anyway.

Strange how a spate of this type of crime suddenly started occurring in late 1971, and then into 1972. Most must surely have been inspired by D.B. Cooper and not the man with the fractured skull and long jail sentence, Paul Cini.

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Re: Sky Jacking Previous to D B Cooper
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2015, 06:32:02 PM »
Whoa, the Calgary Sun article says a lot of strange stuff: Paul Cini was a former soldier? For whom? When, where, etc...

Their account of Paul Cini is very curious as its general tenor and theme follows the revisionist view launched by the Washington State Historical Museum back in 2013. At the WSHM Symposium on Cooper, the curator Gwen Perkins spoke at length about Cini and described him very differently than all other prior portrayals.

Perkins said that Cini spent a year planning the skyjacking. Really? Then why did he chose a DC-8? Why didn't Perkins explain that problematic choice? I wondered then and now, but I didn't have the chance to ask her, unfortunately, as I was rushing off to Ariel with the gang. I guess I never followed up with Gwen, either, because she had never returned any of my phone calls before, so I've been a tad discouraged. But, I'm following up with the Calgary Sun guy. It sounds like he's got a lead to the flight attendant who dealt with Cini for the entirety.

Another question about his planning is that Cini didn't know how to put on his parachute. How did this happen if he had planned it for a year, as Perkins says.

Also, the C. Sun guy doesn't explain this dynamic at all. In the original accounts, Cini made himself vulnerable to the axe attack from the Captain and purser when he clumsily tried to put on his parachute. Yet, the C Sun reporter seems to ascribe the axing as due to Cini's vodka intoxication.

Gwen, nor the Calgary Sun reporter, explain Cini's many bizarre behaviors during the skyjacking, such as the two trips into Great Falls, Montana from Calgary when his stated destination was Northern Ireland. If he was jumping, why didn't he jump? Where was he going to jump? Montana? Whew!

Also, in the original descriptions of Cini, he is portrayed as a disaffected youth, alone, bored, and underemployed as a delivery truck driver. He traveled to Calgary to be close to his parents, who had emigrated there five years earlier from the United States. As I understand his journey, Cini had arrived in Calgary about a year prior to the skyjacking.

Yet the Calgary Sun reporter says he got the skyjacking idea downing vodka shots in a British Columbia hotel room, and never explains these inconsistencies.

So, a lot doesn't add up in both the old and the New and Improved Paul Cini.
 

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Re: Sky Jacking Previous to D B Cooper
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2015, 07:36:36 PM »
I think the chances of a successful side exit from a DC 8 wouldn't be so good for a whuffo.

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Re: Sky Jacking Previous to D B Cooper
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2015, 09:06:16 PM »
Especially by someone knocking off a few vodkas in the 1st Class "longue" as the Calgary Sun reported. Is longue French for lounge? Just askin'...