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Title: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 04, 2014, 07:50:27 PM
Here it is........ 8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 14, 2014, 08:57:38 PM
well, lets see if someone had a worse day than myself. I'm in the process of installing a 1,300 foot canopy that now has to be done by the 20th? ya right. I take off this morning and get about 5 miles away and the rear axle bearing goes out...again! I call the boys to come and get me. we transfer tools over and park the truck in Weston. I go to work. the scissor lift breaks down. oh, also a guy calls in sick. we finish the day out and go back to the van. I take the back roads home so I'm not going fast. one mile from home the van catches on fire due to the axle grinding in the rear end. we quickly put the fire out, but, its not over yet! 3 cops and a fire truck show up to handle the already controlled problem....I left Miami at 4:00...I got home at about 7:30. I also had to rent a car so I can get back and forth from work until both vehicles are fixed.


HOW WAS YOUR DAY  8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: EVickiW on April 15, 2014, 12:56:07 AM
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well, lets see if someone had a worse day than myself. I'm in the process of installing a 1,300 foot canopy that now has to be done by the 20th? ya right. I take off this morning and get about 5 miles away and the rear axle bearing goes out...again! I call the boys to come and get me. we transfer tools over and park the truck in Weston. I go to work. the scissor lift breaks down. oh, also a guy calls in sick. we finish the day out and go back to the van. I take the back roads home so I'm not going fast. one mile from home the van catches on fire due to the axle grinding in the rear end. we quickly put the fire out, but, its not over yet! 3 cops and a fire truck show up to handle the already controlled problem....I left Miami at 4:00...I got home at about 7:30. I also had to rent a car so I can get back and forth from work until both vehicles are fixed.


HOW WAS YOUR DAY  8)

Better than yours!   ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: EVickiW on April 15, 2014, 12:57:21 AM
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well, lets see if someone had a worse day than myself. I'm in the process of installing a 1,300 foot canopy that now has to be done by the 20th? ya right. I take off this morning and get about 5 miles away and the rear axle bearing goes out...again! I call the boys to come and get me. we transfer tools over and park the truck in Weston. I go to work. the scissor lift breaks down. oh, also a guy calls in sick. we finish the day out and go back to the van. I take the back roads home so I'm not going fast. one mile from home the van catches on fire due to the axle grinding in the rear end. we quickly put the fire out, but, its not over yet! 3 cops and a fire truck show up to handle the already controlled problem....I left Miami at 4:00...I got home at about 7:30. I also had to rent a car so I can get back and forth from work until both vehicles are fixed.


HOW WAS YOUR DAY  8)

Better than yours!   ;D

Shutter!!!    Can you make my videos in my tagline STOP blowing up? Thanx! :o
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 15, 2014, 06:22:13 AM
I've been trying to figure this out, but haven't tried again in a week or so. I'll give it a shot when I get home tonite.... 8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Parrotheadvol on April 15, 2014, 07:36:16 AM
Well....until I read that, I thought I had a bad day.
Title: Chemtrails
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 21, 2014, 05:29:11 PM
Anybody know anything about the so-called chemtrail phenomena?  I'm getting emails, and I'm keeping my nose to the wind on this one. Sounds legit.



 
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Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 21, 2014, 06:09:17 PM
"chemtrails" are actually "contrails". that's the white lines you see behind the planes at high altitudes. people are now claiming the Government is spraying us with chemicals. don't be so sure about many of the photo's you see, they have been photoshopped. I'm
sure Bob Knoss could fill you in... 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1dPicrqWgk
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 21, 2014, 07:37:43 PM
Contrails or chemtrails, or both? That is the question. Contrails are condensed moisture emanating from jet engine exhaust; chemtrails are a chemical-metallic particle-vapor mix. So far, I have not found any definitive proof that the stuff that is claimed to be chemtrails is really the nasty stuff, presumably sprayed out to cool the planet by deflecting sunlight back to the ethers.  However, the ancillary evidence is quite alarming - the increase of toxic metals found in the soil of large areas of the country with no explicable cause other than spraying, such as Hawaii, the southern Cascadian range near Mt. Shasta, and most notably in the south, particularly throughout Texas.

Evidence of barium, aluminum and silicate coating the ground like snow have been amply documented covering large swaths of Texas and is featured on news broadcasts from there, along with the promise to investigate.

We also have compelling information that "geoengineering," the science on controlling the weather, has long postulated the feasibility of salting the air to change weather, such as to stimulate rain fall.

On the quick take there is one big tell-tale sign that not all contrails are harmless vapor, and that is the dispersion patterns.  Some "contrails" stay formed in the air for hours, suggesting that they are more that just hot H2O molecules.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 21, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
WIKI

According to the chemtrail conspiracy theory, some trails left in the sky by high-flying aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed for sinister purposes undisclosed to the general public.[1] Believers in the theory argue that airplanes don't leave long-lasting contrails under normal conditions,[2] but their arguments have been dismissed by the scientific community: such trails are simply normal water-based contrails (condensation trails) which are routinely left by high-flying aircraft under certain atmospheric conditions.[3] Although proponents have attempted to prove that the claimed chemical spraying does take place, their analyses have been flawed or based on misconception.[4][5]

Because of the widespread popularity of the conspiracy theory, official agencies have received many inquiries from people demanding an explanation.[2] Scientists and government officials around the world have repeatedly needed to confirm that supposed chemtrails are in fact nothing but normal contrails.[6]

The term chemtrail is a portmanteau of the words "chemical" and "trail", just as contrail is a contraction of "condensation trail".[7] Believers in the conspiracy theory speculate that the purpose of the claimed chemical release may be for solar radiation management,[2] psychological manipulation, human population control, weather modification, or biological or chemical warfare, and that the trails are causing respiratory illnesses and other health problems.[1][8][9] Contrails are formed at high altitudes (5-10 miles or 8-16 km) and if any chemicals were released at such altitude they would disperse harmlessly and fall many hundreds of miles away, or degrade before touching the ground
Title: Chemtrails
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 22, 2014, 02:44:42 AM
Yup, that's the basic argument.

So, how does elevated levels of barium and silica end up in the soil?  Soil geologists at the USFS would like to know, along with pesky reporters.  Dust from the Gobi Desert or Beijing?  Hmmmm, I don't think so.
Title: B-24 production video
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 22, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
I came across this video that I found fascinating.  Ford production of the B-24 started in June 1941 and they produced one every 55 minutes.  Whoa!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/iKlt6rNciTo?rel=0
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 22, 2014, 07:20:03 PM
I love videos like that. we were such a dedicated country back then, now, everything falls apart causing you to replace the item.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 22, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Here is a question for baseball fans. did Babe Ruth call his shot? I say no he didn't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwIlNSi3x7c

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 22, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
Besides hitting the home run, Babe was such a great showman, too!  As my father used to say, "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story."
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: smokin99 on April 25, 2014, 10:33:15 PM
Okay...so I'm watching the Braves...last play is challenged as to whether the runner was out on first and they go to the "Replay Room".
From what I can tell this huge video room is in New york and is manned by off road umpires who are known as video officials.
My question is...does anyone know how many times this has been used this season and how many calls have been reversed? I'm not quite sure how I feel about this but I'm leaning towards thinking it's not so hot.

Found my answer.....http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304049904579513752407111762

"According to MLB, entering Sunday, replay had been used 115 times in 262 regular-season games, including twice for record keeping. (Yes, an umpire will occasionally forget how many balls and strikes there are.) Of the 113 calls that were challenged, 46 were overturned, 35 were confirmed and 32 stood, the latter being the designation for calls where evidence was inconclusive."
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 25, 2014, 10:45:32 PM
Have you seen the Ken Burns documentary on baseball. I'm on episode 6 right now. I'm watching it on Netflix. highly recommended for baseball fans..
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 26, 2014, 01:42:27 AM
I got exhausted watching Ken Burns' Baseball.  I started skipping stuff around 1890-1920.....

Unlike the Civil War.  That I could watch again, and probably will.  I've been to a bunch of Civil War battlefields, including Shiloh, Gettysburg and Antietam.

I'm also reading a book on the intelligence efforts of the Continentals and British during the Revolutionary War, called "Washington's Spies." I love it because it is raw history - it reads like a PhD thesis - and deals mostly with action around Long Island, my hometown.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 26, 2014, 06:58:46 AM
"Unlike the Civil War.  That I could watch again, and probably will.  I've been to a bunch of Civil War battlefields, including Shiloh, Gettysburg and Antietam."

I collect civil war documents. I have a soldiers entire history including his pension in 1890 for $8 that was bumped up to $12 per month. I also have a large hospital muster roll (29x21) listing expenses. what's interesting about this document is the fact of many of the soldiers were injured during the battle of Gettysburg.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: smokin99 on April 26, 2014, 03:25:59 PM
I made it through the first couple episodes of baseball on Netflix but got off track somewhere and haven't picked it back up. Course I mainly love baseball because of the Braves - They can keep Atlanta, but I do love my Braves. :) Actually Atlanta can be a pretty cool town if you know where you're heading and can take the traffic in getting there.
 
I love reading/viewing about the war of Northern Aggression also. Not a big collector, and it's been a while, but we used to find civil war stuff occasionally when out looking for arrowheads. They have reenactments a lot around here also - I like to watch once in a while, but I don't really get into that other than talking to folks who know a lot of history about the battles and the soldiers. If given a choice I'd rather visit the battlefields and historical sites without all the people around.   
I live not far from Andersonville.....and it's not far from Plains (You might remember that place being in the news round about the late 70s, early 80s.......you remember....that really nice guy with a great big smile but.......

Re: books....Shelby Foote's civil war volumes are good if you like getting in to the nuts and bolts of the campaigns and the generals.

I'm also a big reader/viewer of anything Lincoln, his war strategy, and his crazy banshee wife. Think my next book on him is going to be: Abraham Lincoln: Great American Historians on Our Sixteenth President. It is a compilation of 20 years of transcripts of interviews with Lincoln historians. Brian Lamb, founder of C-SPAN (also hosts show Booknotes) is one of editors. I love his interviews so I'm going on that association that it will be a good book.

Revolutionary War - Haven't gotten into that much yet though I did almost buy Washington's Spies on my nook  -- so that might be a new interest if I decide to buy it.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: smokin99 on April 26, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
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"Unlike the Civil War.  That I could watch again, and probably will.  I've been to a bunch of Civil War battlefields, including Shiloh, Gettysburg and Antietam."

I collect civil war documents. I have a soldiers entire history including his pension in 1890 for $8 that was bumped up to $12 per month. I also have a large hospital muster roll (29x21) listing expenses. what's interesting about this document is the fact of many of the soldiers were injured during the battle of Gettysburg.

I collect old documents with my genealogy stuff. I've got some old journals and stuff from way back when. I've got a ancestor's store log from 1855...He bought lots of bacon, flour, sugar, coffee, nails, and tobacco, among other things. Staples went from .07 -.14 / lb but tobacco was .40/lb. LOL....Guess storekeepers were aware of the power of addiction way back when too.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 26, 2014, 06:06:20 PM
I've got some confederate bills dating back to 1854. I'll scan some and put them online.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: smokin99 on April 26, 2014, 06:44:51 PM
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I've got some confederate bills dating back to 1854. I'll scan some and put them online.

I have some old appearing bills that I found in a box of my mom's collection of random stuff after she died but I think they are replicas. I started to suspect something when I googled them and I didn't even have to finish typing. lol....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 26, 2014, 06:51:05 PM
you should like one of these. it's from Georgia, 1854. the other one was never in circulation.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 26, 2014, 08:19:26 PM
here is another wonderful "shutter day" my cell phone battery stopped charging so I had to stay hooked up to the charger the last several days. I couldn't find time to replace, been working 7 days a week. I got the phone, touch pad, internet etc. the ending price was $19 for the phone. I said sure I'll take that one. when she was done it was almost $65?? I said....WHAT? she said a $45 "activation fee" was attached. I said, what ever. I get home and crank up the puter. it gives me the " no internet connection" it's been doing this off and on for several months. I thought it was AT&T. turns out it's my router. I gotta go buy another router now.

HOW WAS YOUR DAY  8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on April 28, 2014, 12:06:48 AM
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here is another wonderful "shutter day" my cell phone battery stopped charging so I had to stay hooked up to the charger the last several days. I couldn't find time to replace, been working 7 days a week. I got the phone, touch pad, internet etc. the ending price was $19 for the phone. I said sure I'll take that one. when she was done it was almost $65?? I said....WHAT? she said a $45 "activation fee" was attached. I said, what ever. I get home and crank up the puter. it gives me the " no internet connection" it's been doing this off and on for several months. I thought it was AT&T. turns out it's my router. I gotta go buy another router now.

HOW WAS YOUR DAY  8)

my daY was ok ... storms 3" rain ... we need rain ... good weekend at the observatories ... grass green .... and glad to see you are back up!  :)
THANKS!

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 28, 2014, 01:20:50 AM
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I made it through the first couple episodes of baseball on Netflix but got off track somewhere and haven't picked it back up. Course I mainly love baseball because of the Braves - They can keep Atlanta, but I do love my Braves. :) Actually Atlanta can be a pretty cool town if you know where you're heading and can take the traffic in getting there.
 
I love reading/viewing about the war of Northern Aggression also. Not a big collector, and it's been a while, but we used to find civil war stuff occasionally when out looking for arrowheads. They have reenactments a lot around here also - I like to watch once in a while, but I don't really get into that other than talking to folks who know a lot of history about the battles and the soldiers. If given a choice I'd rather visit the battlefields and historical sites without all the people around.   
I live not far from Andersonville.....and it's not far from Plains (You might remember that place being in the news round about the late 70s, early 80s.......you remember....that really nice guy with a great big smile but.......

Re: books....Shelby Foote's civil war volumes are good if you like getting in to the nuts and bolts of the campaigns and the generals.

I'm also a big reader/viewer of anything Lincoln, his war strategy, and his crazy banshee wife. Think my next book on him is going to be: Abraham Lincoln: Great American Historians on Our Sixteenth President. It is a compilation of 20 years of transcripts of interviews with Lincoln historians. Brian Lamb, founder of C-SPAN (also hosts show Booknotes) is one of editors. I love his interviews so I'm going on that association that it will be a good book.

Revolutionary War - Haven't gotten into that much yet though I did almost buy Washington's Spies on my nook  -- so that might be a new interest if I decide to buy it.


Yeah, yeah, yeah, War of Northern Aggression. When are you guys gonna get real, ya know you guys started it at Fort Sumter, etc.  I first heard that WoNA when I first moved to Nashville.  On one of my first grocery runs I spotted a customer in line at Kroger's who was wearing a torn white "T" shirt that said, "Proud Descendant of a Confederate War Veteran - 7th Texas Artillery," although I may have the unit name identified incorrectly. 

That is not something I had ever seen in my travels across America before.

When I mentioned the T shirt guy to some Nashvillian friends they started telling me about the southern preference for calling the Civil War the "WoNA," and the fact that Nashville had a big battle and the battlefield was still intact.  Wow.  Impressive, and crazy - the southern army lost five generals and thousands of troops on the last day of combat due to repeated frontal attacks against well-fortified Union positions.

I loved Shelby Foote's analysis in the PBS docu.  I mourn his passing, but I have never read any of his writing. Along those lines, though, I've read most of Bruce Cattin's work and they are fantastic. I also loved Confederates in the Attic and the author's account of guys just sitting in the woods of Shiloh on the anniversary of the battle, just drawn to the site. I was also amused that they were all early - the battle started at dawn and they all had arrived in the dark at 6 am, because Tennessee in April is on Central Daylight Savings Time, which didn't exist in 1862 so the battle actually started at 6 am Central Standard Time. I got there about 2 pm, as usual. IDDM. (I don't do mornings.)

ANDERSONVILLE??? Don't get me started - and you want to talk about Northern Aggression!!!....(worst prison camp in the south.  10,000 guys died, basically tortured by neglect and mismanagement.)

I'd like to visit Plains.  I like peanuts.  Billy Beer sucked, though.

I loved the movie, "Lincoln." I thought it gave a very fair treatment to Mary Lincoln, and I found her to be likable.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 28, 2014, 01:30:38 AM
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I've got some confederate bills dating back to 1854. I'll scan some and put them online.

Confederate money from 1854?  I see that the south's penchant for historical vagueness and inaccuracy is firmly entrenched and long-standing.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 28, 2014, 01:32:37 AM
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here is another wonderful "shutter day" my cell phone battery stopped charging so I had to stay hooked up to the charger the last several days. I couldn't find time to replace, been working 7 days a week. I got the phone, touch pad, internet etc. the ending price was $19 for the phone. I said sure I'll take that one. when she was done it was almost $65?? I said....WHAT? she said a $45 "activation fee" was attached. I said, what ever. I get home and crank up the puter. it gives me the " no internet connection" it's been doing this off and on for several months. I thought it was AT&T. turns out it's my router. I gotta go buy another router now.

HOW WAS YOUR DAY  8)


Shutter, reading about your life makes me take my medication more dedicatedly.
Title: Reviews in Baseball
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 28, 2014, 01:39:46 AM
The review stuff in baseball by the umpires is driving me crazy!!!

I don't know what to do about it, though - so many calls have helped the Yankees, and anything that helps the Yankees, is by definition, good for humanity and the Universe.

Also, the G-damned reviews take so long!  Gawd Almighty! 

But since I can only afford to watch the free  "Game view" on MLB.com, I also treasure the reviews because they are always posted on video and I can access them. Hence, I get a little bit of live feed from the game and get a taste of the action as the announcers discuss the relevant dynamics.

It's amazing to see how many calls the umpires get wrong, and how many of them weren't really that close.  Some are quite obvious. Plus, I'm glad to see that some umpires forget the balls and strikes.  I've done that and it's embarrassing.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 28, 2014, 01:41:14 AM
Just for the record, I can't stand the Braves. Not as bad as the Cowboys, which make me gag, but pretty close.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Robert99 on April 28, 2014, 12:28:44 PM
Bruce, with your remark about Andersonville, what is your take on Alton Military Prison, Illinois, and Camp Delaware, Delaware?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Robert99 on April 28, 2014, 12:32:37 PM
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I've got some confederate bills dating back to 1854. I'll scan some and put them online.

Confederate money from 1854?  I see that the south's penchant for historical vagueness and inaccuracy is firmly entrenched and long-standing.

Have you heard of Mormon gold coins?  Those were real currency from the same time frame.  In fact, within the past week a small collection of those coins was sold for several million dollars.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Parrotheadvol on April 28, 2014, 01:45:57 PM
Bruce, lay off The Cowboys. No need to hate, we're pretty harmless these days. I do however share your hatred of the Braves. Horrible call on the review yesterday against my Reds.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 28, 2014, 10:54:53 PM
If it's these coins.I haven't heard of them...
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Robert99 on April 29, 2014, 02:40:42 AM
I don't believe I had heard of those coins prior to last week.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 29, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
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Bruce, with your remark about Andersonville, what is your take on Alton Military Prison, Illinois, and Camp Delaware, Delaware?


Since I've never heard of them, those facilities obviously couldn't have been that bad.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 29, 2014, 09:27:31 PM
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Bruce, lay off The Cowboys. No need to hate, we're pretty harmless these days. I do however share your hatred of the Braves. Horrible call on the review yesterday against my Reds.


I'll lay off the Cowboys, Parrot, at least for awhile.  AS long as my Giants kick they asses.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 29, 2014, 09:39:38 PM
I'm stuck down here with the Miami Dolphins.....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on April 29, 2014, 11:46:45 PM
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Bruce, lay off The Cowboys. No need to hate, we're pretty harmless these days. I do however share your hatred of the Braves. Horrible call on the review yesterday against my Reds.

Funny!  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 30, 2014, 02:54:15 AM
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I'm stuck down here with the Miami Dolphins.....

SO, root for the Jets!

I remember vividly attending my first NFL game.  I was working in Fort Lauderdale and decided to see a Dolphins-Jets game when Namath was playing.  I got a ticket and sat in a corner of the Orange Bowl (what a dump, but still charming!  And not as run-down as Fenway...)

Anyway, midway in the 2nd quarter the score was still 0-0 and Namath drilled a TD.  I jumped up and started screaming.  Two or three seconds later I realized I was standing all by myself, with about five thousand people staring at me. I sat down pretty quickly.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on April 30, 2014, 08:36:04 AM
I went to one game at the Orange Bowl with my buddy back in the late 80's, or early 90's. it was a jets game. Miami lost (no shock there) yep, the Orange Bowl was a dive, but that's what made it special. concerts were held there when the Sportatorium couldn't handle the capacity. I seen the Rolling Stones, and Paul McCartney at the Orange Bowl. I was working on a large job for All Broward Hurricane in Miami the same year the Orange Bowl was being demoed and watched it slowly disappear....

I still can't believe Yankee stadium is gone. what's left, Wrigley field?

Orange Bowl 1937-2008 pic #1
Yankee Stadium 1923-2010 pic #2
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 30, 2014, 03:50:23 PM
I haven't made it to the new Yankees Stadium, but I'm going back East in June so maybe I can get a game.

In the meantime, I'm flashing my press pass at Safeco Field to watch the Mariners vs. ANYBODY.  I'm fascinated with the cultural aspects of the M's.  They are considered a "magnet" franchise, with only about half of teh tickets sold actually going to Mariner fans - the rest are for baseball fans who are attracted to Seattle to root for their own team.  Tons of Blue Jays fans descend on Safeco when their team is in town.  The BJ fans are cool, as they bring a ton o' flags, banners and plenty of attitude - plus the arrogance of winning two World Series in recent memory while the M's have never even gone to the dance.  Plus, they are pretty well gassed-up after driving thirteen- twenty-four hours from Calgary or the Yukon!  (True story.)

Since I'm not "regular" press I can't get in the dugout or go on the field, so I'm stuck in the stands.  But I sit near the WAGS, which is cool.  I'm thinking of doing stories on them - what's is like to follow a guy who's out on the field.  Also, what's it like to be a beautiful woman?  It must have its own challenges, like not eating hot dogs and beer at the games. Ug.
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Post by: Shutter on April 30, 2014, 06:27:17 PM
I just took a peek on DZ. I see the same old crap. Georger is being accused of being the spokes person for this site, with pay! 377 tosses in a dig on it being a obscure site that can't be searched on Google. do any of them really get what I'm doing?

ATTENTION THIS WAS A TEST SITE



I started this site with the intentions of it becoming a site for discussion of DB Cooper. I was not going to pay for and actual domain until I seen interest. I put this forum on a FREE web server for the purpose just explained. everyone should realize when you don't have a .com in the address it will not show up in searches. it was NOT intended to be hidden. sometimes people really scare me, or dumb found me, can't decide  8) I know you guys are aware of this, but I'm sure some of them sneak over here anyway for a peek.

The proxy server block was needed. we were being attacked by multiple spammers using proxies. the block that's on here was the best I could find to battle them. the new server should already have a pretty good guard against spammers. once we are moved and at the new home. one can only wonder what stories will surface to try and discredit the forum since they will no longer be able to use the above mentioned.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 30, 2014, 10:24:54 PM
I ain't afraid of any old spammers, so open this puppy up and let's cruise!

The ordinary level of spam security to minimize the advertisements of erectile products and bequests from Nigeria should be sufficient.  I assume that's what the Mountain News has and I've never had any significant problem. I don't even think the characters from the DZ will flock here as long as they have their forum at the DZ. Their dominance there seems secure.
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Post by: Shutter on April 30, 2014, 10:32:14 PM
it's a little different on a free server. no guard what's so ever. I've had my mail hacked before. this server is going bye, bye soon anyway. no worries mate.  8)
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Post by: georger on May 01, 2014, 12:44:42 AM
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it's a little different on a free server. no guard what's so ever. I've had my mail hacked before. this server is going bye, bye soon anyway. no worries mate.  8)

Full steam ahead_watch for icebergs.
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Post by: Shutter on May 01, 2014, 12:43:08 PM
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it's a little different on a free server. no guard what's so ever. I've had my mail hacked before. this server is going bye, bye soon anyway. no worries mate.  8)

Full steam ahead_watch for icebergs.


Icebergs? more like fiery molten lava  8) ;D :D
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Post by: georger on May 01, 2014, 05:24:09 PM
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it's a little different on a free server. no guard what's so ever. I've had my mail hacked before. this server is going bye, bye soon anyway. no worries mate.  8)

Full steam ahead_watch for icebergs.


Icebergs? more like fiery molten lava  8) ;D :D

The Great_One at DZ advised last night that his Microsoft teky guru Greg Page (AB website: "Greg Page works in program development and testing at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Washington and is one heck of a nice guy.") is very unhappy with me (hates me?), and is probably keeping tabs on developments here and God only knows what else of a personal nature (Great_One infers). I hope this does not present a problem for anyone or anything here? Great_One keeps throwing this bait out, in any event. Are his comments threats? I dunno!    Except that RMB is clearly advertising his prowess vis-a-vis Greg Page a Microsoft teky ... so all should take notice and beware? It never stops! 
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Post by: Shutter on May 01, 2014, 05:45:23 PM
I don't bother with what he says anymore. he's no threat to anyone. I have notified the proper people about his behavior, let him rant all he wants. the bottom line is that he is not welcome here. I think that eats him up more than anything.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 01, 2014, 07:10:37 PM
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it's a little different on a free server. no guard what's so ever. I've had my mail hacked before. this server is going bye, bye soon anyway. no worries mate.  8)

Full steam ahead_watch for icebergs.


Icebergs? more like fiery molten lava  8) ;D :D

The Great_One at DZ advised last night that his Microsoft teky guru Greg Page (AB website: "Greg Page works in program development and testing at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Washington and is one heck of a nice guy.") is very unhappy with me (hates me?), and is probably keeping tabs on developments here and God only knows what else of a personal nature (Great_One infers). I hope this does not present a problem for anyone or anything here? Great_One keeps throwing this bait out, in any event. Are his comments threats? I dunno!    Except that RMB is clearly advertising his prowess vis-a-vis Greg Page a Microsoft teky ... so all should take notice and beware? It never stops!

And people wonder where I get my stories?  It's all good - whatever happens, either way I get a story.  Cooper lives on.
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Post by: georger on May 02, 2014, 04:56:36 PM
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it's a little different on a free server. no guard what's so ever. I've had my mail hacked before. this server is going bye, bye soon anyway. no worries mate.  8)

Full steam ahead_watch for icebergs.

Icebergs? more like fiery molten lava  8) ;D :D

The Great_One at DZ advised last night that his Microsoft teky guru Greg Page (AB website: "Greg Page works in program development and testing at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond, Washington and is one heck of a nice guy.") is very unhappy with me (hates me?), and is probably keeping tabs on developments here and God only knows what else of a personal nature (Great_One infers). I hope this does not present a problem for anyone or anything here? Great_One keeps throwing this bait out, in any event. Are his comments threats? I dunno!    Except that RMB is clearly advertising his prowess vis-a-vis Greg Page a Microsoft teky ... so all should take notice and beware? It never stops!

And people wonder where I get my stories?  It's all good - whatever happens, either way I get a story.  Cooper lives on.

It has been stark raving nuts over there for several days. Today is beyond words. Insane.
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Post by: smokin99 on May 03, 2014, 02:24:37 AM
More totally off topic since I'm feeling so much love in this category.
 
First off, the Northern Aggression thing is just what we say to piss folks off.  :) Kinda sorta a politically incorrect joke. Though an old one, I'll admit..so shoot me... :'(

Lol....believe it or not,  a lot of us Southerners are well aware of the history of the uncivil war, but we're not gonna disown great, great, granddaddy Bradford Sumner cause he was on the wrong side of history - least not until we find the deed to the back forty that he said he hid under the outhouse. Dang, I just realized his initials are BS. Hmmmm.

Just so you know.....I'm not defending Andersonville. I merely said that I lived not far from it. On the other hand, if you aren't familiar with some bad northern civil war prison camps, you just haven't gotten to that chapter yet.
It was what it was  -  though I'll give you that Andersonville was certainly at the top of the worse due to conditions, incompetence, neglect, and some plain ole cruelty.
But now it's a sacred place and a national cemetery with a museum to honor the memory of POWs throughout our history ------and to remind you and I of man's inhumanity to man -- just in case we forget.  I think you'd like it if you ever get the chance to visit.

As for Shutter's 1854 Confederate money....yeah...confederate money is kind of a catch-all for all-the-southern-state-currency-no-matter-when-it-was-distributed. If it's brown and old, it's "Confederate money". And a whole lot of it is fake. :)

And finally --- (I'm almost through **applause**)--- I'm sure the South has a "penchant for historical vagueness and inaccuracy (that) is firmly entrenched and long-standing". We do have a way of managing to catch and release record size fish every time we throw out a line --especially when we forget the camera and there were no witnesses.

But alas, when you're talking about rewriting history, I'm afraid that human trait is hardly confined to east of the Mississippi and south of the MD line. Everybody wants a do over in the history books to try to rationalize bad judgment and worse behavior.  Hell they do it more now than ever.

Oh well….. I can't fix the world in one post so I'll just close with a big ol right back at ya....
Go Braves, how bout them Dawgs, and Roll Tide Roll.  ;D :D ;D

....Though I would trade you two Chipper Jones for one Buster Posey in a New York minute.

"And that's all I've got to say about that".....Forrest Gump :)
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Post by: Shutter on May 03, 2014, 08:15:03 AM
You hear a lot about the war down here. Andersonville was a horrible place, but as you noted it goes both ways, both crossed lines. war is hell, as they say. the rebel/confederate flag should be flown down here. I don't link it to slavery. this country has become far to "sensitive". Alcatraz was a horrible place too. at one time inmates were not allowed to talk. should we now banish Alcatraz? tear it down and forget about it, like the confederate flag?

(http://www.lionheart-designs.com/inventory/confederatestates/License%20Plates/Forget%20Hell%20License%20Plate.JPG)

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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 03, 2014, 06:05:43 PM
 Ah, Shut and Smoke, 'tis the Dixie I knew and loved and left.  I have exceptionally strong MIXED feelings about y'alls' homeland.

But, not fergettin' and saying that the Stars and Bars don't represent slavery to at least SOME degree is, well, so southern.

Nevertheless, Dixie does have its charm.  I love Louisiana and its "kiss my grits" attitude.  I SO love that!!!

I also used to work in the horse biz and would travel often to Georgia and the Carolinas on work.  At one point I was seriously thinking about moving to western NC - Asheville and such.  I felt really at home there, and guys used to wave to me in Maggie Valley as I drove past in my Ford F 250.  Imagine that, because I had NY plates!

I also wept profusely one night in Lafayette while on vacation listening to Beau Soleil live in a honky tonk.  My soon-to-be-ex thought I was totally crazy.  You could say my marriage ended over Cajun fiddle music. Not a bad way to go, if you catch my drift.
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Post by: Shutter on May 03, 2014, 06:29:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUjLE_N1Cuc
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Post by: Shutter on May 03, 2014, 06:30:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i019fwYM_Pw
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Post by: Shutter on May 03, 2014, 06:32:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWVgLLnGaWs
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Post by: Shutter on May 03, 2014, 06:34:03 PM
WE DON'T GET LOST IN THE WOODS FOR DAYS  8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 03, 2014, 09:38:39 PM
Oh, My Gawd, what have I started?
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Post by: Shutter on May 03, 2014, 09:51:45 PM
didn't start anything.....just expressing my position  8) ;D :D
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 04, 2014, 06:08:10 PM
One of the highlights of living in Nashville was collecting Nashvillian jokes.

Q: What do tornadoes and divorces have in common in Nashville?
A: Someone always loses a double-wide.

Q: How do you get a song-writer off your porch in Nashville?
A: Pay for the pizza.

Q: How can you be sure you're in Nashville during a Hank Williams Jr concert?
A: The audience is drunk before Bocephus is.

Q: Why don't long-time Nashvillians use their turn signals while driving?
A: Because if you were anyone important you would know where they're going.

Q: Who are "...the boys who make the noise on 16th Avenue?"
A: Music industry execs on Music Row, located just south of downtown.

Q: Why do Nasvillians celebrate coming in 49th in nationwide surveys on educational achievement?
A: Two reasons: First, they made the top fifty, and second, they beat Mississippi (again).

****
For those travelling to Nashville for the first time, a tip:  When someone says "Bless your heart," they really mean, "Kiss my ass."

Also, Tennessee licence plates post the county of origin, so Davidson County means the car is from Nashville. The city and the county are pretty much the same thing.
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Post by: Shutter on May 04, 2014, 06:11:03 PM
MOONSHINE!!!!!!

I forgot to give some to Vicki & Mark when they were here. mine came from Tenn.  8)
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Post by: Shutter on May 04, 2014, 10:38:56 PM
Installed two large canopies on a new warehouse, finished it today  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhSb-uXvzRk
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on May 14, 2014, 08:48:07 PM
New book claims to have solved the Zodiac case. And I thought this only happened in Cooperland!!!

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/05/zodiac-killer-earl-van-best-mugshot.html?mid=facebook_dailyintelligencer

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Post by: Shutter on May 14, 2014, 09:19:43 PM
Along with the ever so popular.....

 “If you look at Gary’s photo next to the sketch of the Zodiac next to his father’s mug shot, you can see that there is very clearly more than just a passing resemblance,” a HarperCollins spokesperson told Elon Green. “They look alike.

I'm sold, it's him. close the case down. everybody go home  8) ;D :D
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on May 14, 2014, 10:32:41 PM
Without the glasses, he's not a bad match for the Bing Crosby Cooper sketch.
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Post by: Shutter on May 14, 2014, 10:38:51 PM
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Without the glasses, he's not a bad match for the Bing Crosby Cooper sketch.


he kinda looks like a young Christopher lloyd  8)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Christopher_Lloyd_HS_yearbook.jpg)
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Post by: Shutter on May 15, 2014, 09:46:19 AM
Anyone have any thoughts about what happened after flight 401 crashed in the Everglades in 1972. many claim that the pilots started showing up in the planes that had parts from 401. the plane crashed not far from my house. I've always wanted to go out to the site, but haven't made the trip yet. the Valujet Flight 592 crashed very close to 401. believe it or not, pieces of 401 are still out there!

https://sites.google.com/site/eastern401/


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piece of 401 still there over 40 years later!




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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 15, 2014, 07:30:28 PM
Netflix had a great docu on Flight 401.  Part of a series on airplane crashes.

In a nutshell, 401 had a light bulb problem for it's forward landing gear. L-10-11, and the crew was new to it.  On approach they went back out over the Everglades at 2K to get a few minutes to fix the bulb and everyone in the cockpit was fixated on the repair, which glitched as well.  In the process the Captain nudged the column, which disengage the autopilot, but no one noticed.  Since it was night and they were over the swamp they had no visual reference to the horizon and glided the 2,000 feet down into the swamp.
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Post by: Shutter on May 15, 2014, 07:45:45 PM
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Netflix had a great docu on Flight 401.  Part of a series on airplane crashes.

In a nutshell, 401 had a light bulb problem for it's forward landing gear. L-10-11, and the crew was new to it.  On approach they went back out over the Everglades at 2K to get a few minutes to fix the bulb and everyone in the cockpit was fixated on the repair, which glitched as well.  In the process the Captain nudged the column, which disengage the autopilot, but no one noticed.  Since it was night and they were over the swamp they had no visual reference to the horizon and glided the 2,000 feet down into the swamp.


Actually, nobody was paying attention to anything but the light bulb problem. this changed cockpit procedures after this was discovered. here is the ending transcripts of 401.

23.41:47   APP   Eastern 401 turn left heading one eight zero
23.41:50   CAM-1   Huh?
23.41:51   RDO-1   One eighty
23.42:05   CAM-2   We did something to the altitude
    CAM-1   What?
23.42:07   CAM-2   We're still at two thousand right?
23.42:09   CAM-1   Hey, what's happening here?
    CAM   [Sound of click]
23.42:10   CAM   [Sound of six beeps similar to radio altimeter increasing in rate]
23.42:12       [Sound of impact]


At 23:41:40 Miami approach contacted the flight and granted the crew's request to turn around by clearing him for a left turn heading 180 degrees. At 23:42:05 the first officer suddenly realized that the altitude had dropped. Just seven seconds afterwards, while in a left bank of 28deg, the TriStar's no. 1 engine struck the ground, followed by the left main gear. The aircraft disintegrated, scattering wreckage over an area of flat marshland, covering a 1600 feet x 300 feet area.
Five crew members and 94 passengers died in the accident. Two passengers died more than seven days after the accident as a result of their injuries.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The failure of the fight crew to monitor the flight instruments during the final 4 minutes of flight, and to detect an unexpected descent soon enough to prevent impact with the ground. Preoccupation with a malfunction of the nose landing gear position indicating system distracted the crew's attention from the instruments and allowed the descent to go unnoticed."
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Post by: Shutter on May 17, 2014, 07:01:04 PM
A touching video of the B-17 Kingsman Arizona. so much history......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJk1jqzjYU

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Post by: georger on May 17, 2014, 11:43:00 PM
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A touching video of the B-17 Kingsman Arizona. so much history......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJk1jqzjYU

My Dad would love this! But long gone Im sorry to say -
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Post by: Shutter on May 17, 2014, 11:54:30 PM
Same here......maybe Robert99 can answer this. why are these older planes still in the yards? why haven't they been scrapped years ago? not that I want to see them gone, but the answer remains. why are they still there?
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Post by: georger on May 17, 2014, 11:57:16 PM
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Same here......maybe Robert99 can answer this. why are these older planes still in the yards? why haven't they been scrapped years ago? not that I want to see them gone, but the answer remains. why are they still there?

BTW, thanks to you and Robt99 for the email from Meyer. This news is very gratifying to me! GOOD JOB MEYER!!!
Sincere congratulations.
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Post by: Shutter on May 18, 2014, 12:02:20 AM
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Same here......maybe Robert99 can answer this. why are these older planes still in the yards? why haven't they been scrapped years ago? not that I want to see them gone, but the answer remains. why are they still there?

BTW, thanks to you and Robt99 for the email from Meyer. This news is very gratifying to me! GOOD JOB MEYER!!!
Sincere congratulations.


No prob, my pleasure.....two thumbs up for Meyer!!!
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Post by: Robert99 on May 18, 2014, 01:02:32 AM
Those WW2 aircraft were scrapped eons ago.  The Kingman WW2 Military Airfield is now the Kingman Municipal Airport and it is located just off I-40 on the way to Las Vegas or where ever you are going by way of that Interstate.  The old TWA Lockheed 1011s were also scrapped there about 15+ years ago.  Quite a few other airliner type aircraft spend their seasonal idle time in storage at Kingman as well as near Marana, AZ and Mojave, CA.  The old TWA Convair 880s (and 990s if TWA had those) were in storage at Mojave for years and years.  But they were moved elsewhere eventually and disposed of in one manner or another.

I have flown as a passenger on both the TWA 1011s and 880s.  In early January 1962, I was supposed to fly from St. Louis to Philadelphia, PA on a TWA Constellation.  It was a Sunday evening and I was just starting a long business stay on the East Coast and was at the St. Louis airport well ahead of my expected departure time.  Also, it was snowing like crazy in St. Louis and the entire Midwest with the result that O'Hare in Chicago was closed for the first time in its history.  A TWA 880 that was scheduled from San Francisco to O'Hare and then to Philadelphia diverted to St. Louis.  The TWA ticket agent asked me if I wanted to take it rather than the later Constellation.  You bet I did.  I ended up in Philadelphia hours ahead of schedule, got a rental car, and arrived at my destination on the New Jersey coast about a day early.

The flight from St. Louis to Philadelphia was in a heavy snow storm and we had a ground speed at one point (so said the Captain) of 670 MPH or something like that.  I think that was with about a 150 MPH tail wind.  Those were the good old days.

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Post by: Shutter on May 18, 2014, 01:18:49 AM
cool story, I guess I should of realized they were old photo's. thank god people took pictures before they met the axe. have you ever seen those guys who make furniture out of aircraft parts? they were on TV years ago "wingnuts" I believe the name was. they make amazing stuff.

http://www.motoart.com/

C-130 outer flap
(http://motoart.com/sites/default/files/c-130outer-flap_desk.jpg)

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Post by: Robert99 on May 18, 2014, 01:55:46 AM
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Same here......maybe Robert99 can answer this. why are these older planes still in the yards? why haven't they been scrapped years ago? not that I want to see them gone, but the answer remains. why are they still there?

BTW, thanks to you and Robt99 for the email from Meyer. This news is very gratifying to me! GOOD JOB MEYER!!!
Sincere congratulations.

Your comments have been passed to Meyer.
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Post by: georger on May 18, 2014, 11:07:57 AM
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Those WW2 aircraft were scrapped eons ago.  The Kingman WW2 Military Airfield is now the Kingman Municipal Airport and it is located just off I-40 on the way to Las Vegas or where ever you are going by way of that Interstate.  The old TWA Lockheed 1011s were also scrapped there about 15+ years ago.  Quite a few other airliner type aircraft spend their seasonal idle time in storage at Kingman as well as near Marana, AZ and Mojave, CA.  The old TWA Convair 880s (and 990s if TWA had those) were in storage at Mojave for years and years.  But they were moved elsewhere eventually and disposed of in one manner or another.

I have flown as a passenger on both the TWA 1011s and 880s.  In early January 1962, I was supposed to fly from St. Louis to Philadelphia, PA on a TWA Constellation.  It was a Sunday evening and I was just starting a long business stay on the East Coast and was at the St. Louis airport well ahead of my expected departure time.  Also, it was snowing like crazy in St. Louis and the entire Midwest with the result that O'Hare in Chicago was closed for the first time in its history.  A TWA 880 that was scheduled from San Francisco to O'Hare and then to Philadelphia diverted to St. Louis.  The TWA ticket agent asked me if I wanted to take it rather than the later Constellation.  You bet I did.  I ended up in Philadelphia hours ahead of schedule, got a rental car, and arrived at my destination on the New Jersey coast about a day early.

The flight from St. Louis to Philadelphia was in a heavy snow storm and we had a ground speed at one point (so said the Captain) of 670 MPH or something like that.  I think that was with about a 150 MPH tail wind.  Those were the good old days.

good story!
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 19, 2014, 01:11:47 AM
Kingman?  What happened to the Davis-Monthan bone yard in Tucson?  Are there several huge bone yards for old planes out in the desert?
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Post by: Robert99 on May 19, 2014, 01:17:32 PM
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Kingman?  What happened to the Davis-Monthan bone yard in Tucson?  Are there several huge bone yards for old planes out in the desert?

Davis-Monthan is alive and well.  It is exclusively (or almost so) for military aircraft.  Aircraft currently parked there include B-1s, C-5s and lesser machines, including hundreds of early model C-130s, etc..  I imagine that the C-130s will be the next large group to go through the grinder.

When the Navy phased out it last F-14 a few years ago, they were all (there might be a few examples left in museums and such)  moved to D-M and scrapped.  The military removed all parts from those machines and closely guard them to keep them from finding their way to Iran, which still has a number of F-14s but most of which are not operational at this point.

Basically, the WW2 aircraft junkyards are gone and so are the early civilian airliner junkyards.  Even those three orange L-1011s that were parked adjacent to I-40 on the east side of Amarillo, Texas for a decade or so were broken up a few years ago.  Early Boeing 747s are being scrapped now as well.

Scrap metal economics is now such that the land scape can be cleaned of junk aircraft at a nice profit.   
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Post by: Shutter on May 20, 2014, 11:34:23 PM
Robert99, I'm checking aerodynamics of planes, a biplane to be exact. will the engine stall if you do a hammerhead stall?
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Post by: Robert99 on May 21, 2014, 02:35:55 AM
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Robert99, I'm checking aerodynamics of planes, a biplane to be exact. will the engine stall if you do a hammerhead stall?

No, not unless the engine has problems of one kind or another.  Basically, a hammerhead stall (or turn) is done by climbing straight up and then turning without banking (the wings would stay in the same plane) to go straight down.  The turn at the top is done by applying full rudder in one direction, either left or right, and "skidding" around so that the wings stay in the same plane going down as they were in going up. 

Carburetor equipped engines normally don't have a problem with this, since it is a brief maneuver, and continue to run.  Fuel injection engines shouldn't be adversely affected at all.   
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Post by: Shutter on May 21, 2014, 05:18:48 PM
here is some video. it doesn't stall out every time (engine)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWtTRk7LJxs
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Post by: Robert99 on May 21, 2014, 05:50:22 PM
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here is some video. it doesn't stall out every time (engine)??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWtTRk7LJxs&feature=youtu.be

By the engine not "stalling", I mean that it won't quit and will keep running as long as fuel makes it to the cylinders.  But the engine is not powerful enough to keep the airplane climbing vertically.  Sooner or later, the airplane is going to run out of speed.

What happens next depends on the engine torque, the control movements by the pilot, and the location of the weight vector (passing through the center-of-gravity and always pointing to the center of the earth) with respect to the aerodynamic center (the point where the total aircraft aerodynamics can be considered to be concentrated).  That is, gravity plus all the forces and moments on the airplane from all causes determine the gyrations that the airplane will do.
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Post by: Shutter on May 21, 2014, 06:38:30 PM
Is the plane accurate in what it is doing?
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Post by: Robert99 on May 21, 2014, 09:49:39 PM
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Is the plane accurate in what it is doing?

Shutter, if I understand you correctly, you are asking if the plane in the video you referenced is doing an accurate "hammerhead stall".  The answer is that it depends on the definition of a hammerhead stall.  I check the definition of the term before answering your original question and it seems that there are several definitions of a hammerhead stall including those shown in your video.

But usually, I personally would consider a hammerhead stall to be a vertical climb followed by a tail slide downwards until the aircraft either pitched down (nose down with respect to the pilot) until the nose was pointed straight down or pitched up (nose up with respect to the pilot) and essentially completed a loop with the nose pointed straight down.  The actual pitching direction depends on the position in which the pilot is holding the elevator and the actual vertical position of the aircraft.
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Post by: Shutter on May 21, 2014, 10:06:23 PM
I'm trying to see if the plane is reacting in the manor it should under those conditions. I realize I'm not doing the stall correctly. especially the engine stopping. I've tried several other props and they do they same. the engine only stalls when I come to a complete stop. haven't found anything speaking of this in a stall. must be something set in the simulator I guess.
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Post by: Robert99 on May 21, 2014, 10:19:21 PM
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I'm trying to see if the plane is reacting in the manor it should under those conditions. I realize I'm not doing the stall correctly. especially the engine stopping. I've tried several other props and they do they same. the engine only stalls when I come to a complete stop. haven't found anything speaking of this in a stall. must be something set in the simulator I guess.

It's probably a software matter.
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Post by: Shutter on May 21, 2014, 11:43:17 PM
Interesting video here, the motor acts up on the turn it appears?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BCeEFTo02k
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Post by: Shutter on May 21, 2014, 11:50:03 PM
The motor shuts off on this one....I guess they do shut down..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei6uO46XpqI
Title: The Science of Consciousness
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 26, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
I've made a change in my writing focus and I've put my DB Cooper work on a back burner.  What has moved to the front burner is a re-visiting of work I did on the New Physics - The Science of Consciousness.  The first few chapters are posted at the Mountain News.

I know this subject is woo-woo to many people, but my hope is to present the science in such a way that even Georger might give pause and say, "yeah, that sounds possible."

http://themountainnewswa.net/
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Post by: georger on May 26, 2014, 11:44:36 PM
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I've made a change in my writing focus and I've put my DB Cooper work on a back burner.  What has moved to the front burner is a re-visiting of work I did on the New Physics - The Science of Consciousness.  The first few chapters are posted at the Mountain News.

I know this subject is woo-woo to many people, but my hope is to present the science in such a way that even Georger might give pause and say, "yeah, that sounds possible."



http://themountainnewswa.net/

I don't think you know what physics is or how it works. It is best starting with the history of physics, but gaining an appreciation of that takes some time. Two developments were noteworthy. 1820-26: Joseph Fraunhofer discovered strange lines in the spectra of sun light, missed by Isaac Newton in his experiments with light c.1670. Then in 1850 Wilhelm Kirchhoff laid out the principles (and mathematics) for 'black body radiation' which included the radiative properties of light. These two developments lead directly to early atomic theory, and then quantum theory, 1880-1925. (Maury, Payne-Gaposchin, Saha, Planck, Einstein, etal)

So it takes time and lots of experimentation before people can confirm and then explain 'the unexplainable'.

The modern theory of Consciousness deals mainly with neuro-receptor chemistry. It is not electrical but chemical.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 27, 2014, 03:59:10 PM
Obviously there is more to consider.

My intention was to get the discussion started on what is consciousness and how can we best mobilize it.
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Post by: Shutter on May 28, 2014, 10:10:54 PM
Vicki, have you had any problems with your tablet? mine has to go back. it's heating up, and has trouble running one program! of course the program is the one that links the tablet to the sim.....


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Post by: Shutter on May 28, 2014, 10:41:04 PM
Robert99, ever seen one of these? X-plane just sent it to me.

(http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/russia/yak-40-s.gif)
 
It's like a mini 727 :)
Yakovlev Yak-40
Top speed: 342 mph (550 km/h)
Range: 1,118 miles (1,800 km)
Length: 67' (20 m)
Wingspan: 82' (25 m)
Weight: 20,720 lbs (9,400 kg)
Manufacturer: Yakovlev
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Post by: Robert99 on May 28, 2014, 11:55:16 PM
No, I have never seen one of those in real life and don't remember even seeing a picture of one.
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Post by: Shutter on May 28, 2014, 11:58:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIvHAYioipg
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Post by: Shutter on May 29, 2014, 07:48:25 AM
(http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/yak-40-pn_w830.jpg)

Even had a rear staircase.
Manufactured from 1967-1981
First flight October 21, 1966
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Post by: Shutter on May 30, 2014, 07:34:29 PM
This should go under suspects, but I'll post it here. The State of Florida now wishes to go to trial in my alleged hit & run case. if you are not aware of what happened, it's similar to what some people do with there suspects. that's building a case without any knowledge from the accused. the accident happened on 10/30/2013. I didn't find out until February of 2014.

The Public Service Officer responded to a hit & run call. the driver gave a partial plate of AFW, and said a silver Dodge 1500 hit him from behind. The officer did a partial plate cross check. my plate came back. it was my temporary paper tag I got upon buying the vehicle in 2009. he only searched out vehicles in a 25 mile radius from the accident area. during the four months I wasn't aware of this happening. they pieced everything together, including stating I drive a Dodge 1500, silver. I drive a Dodge Dakota, a much smaller truck. the driver also identified me thru my DL photo which was taken in 1997. I have never been asked to update the photo due to online renewal. I also wear a hat & glasses in the daytime. the insurance took pictures of my truck, and measurements, then did the same to the drivers vehicle. they concluded that my truck was to low to have done the damage.

The point is, this shows how easy it can be to shift a bunch of false allegations with extremely small amounts of circumstantial evidence causing nothing but trouble, time, and money to prove my innocents. this is very similar to stating someone has loaned large amounts of cash with nothing backing it up other than someone stating this. the state is moving forward based on the driver identifying me? even though the vehicles don't line up? if you ask me, he could ID my whole family back into the 1800's. if the vehicles don't match, how does one have a case?

lets look at points here. similar to what some people do with suspects.

The hit & run driver has a Dodge 1500
I own a Dodge Dakota. not even a year was mentioned?

I have never had a expired tag on my truck since I've owned it.
my tag is not even close to the partial.

My photo on my DL (which he ID'ed me) was taken in 1997.
I was in my 30's then. I'm in my 50's now.

My truck has company writing on the sides & back.
nothing mentioned in the report of a commercial vehicle.

The driver hit has damage to his bumper, and the top of his trunk, a large dent.
my truck has no damage, just missing paint on the bumper. damage would be above my bumper.

Now, I ask this. I don't mean this with every person accusing someone of being Cooper, but does the State have any reason to take this to trial?, or should someone write a book, and make a PDF claiming I hit and ran someone because the Police, and State say it's so? I mentioned this on DZ months ago. I don't usually air the dirty laundry, but felt this should be taken as an example of showing how easy it is to prove something when the other side hasn't a clue. I think Mayfield goes thru this often.

Welcome to the South Y'all :)


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Post by: EVickiW on May 30, 2014, 11:25:15 PM
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Vicki, have you had any problems with your tablet? mine has to go back. it's heating up, and has trouble running one program! of course the program is the one that links the tablet to the sim.....


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No, but I do not use it that much.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 31, 2014, 02:05:42 PM
Ouch, Dave.

Sounds like a good investigative story - why did the PD go this far with so little?
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Post by: Shutter on May 31, 2014, 04:39:09 PM
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Ouch, Dave.

Sounds like a good investigative story - why did the PD go this far with so little?

This police department has a history of jumping to conclusions. nothing adds up. I thought after the State reviewed it the case would be dismissed. wishful thinking I guess. the State is moving forward based on him identifying me. the police report clearly shows the driver was "pretty confident of his selection" pretty confident is hardly a positive ID.

My main purpose in telling this story is to show how easy it is to pin something on someone who never had anything to do with the crime, and show what a bunch of false allegations can do. how in the world does a police department only check a 25 mile radius while cross checking State license plates is beyond me!!!
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Post by: georger on May 31, 2014, 11:52:52 PM
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Ouch, Dave.

Sounds like a good investigative story - why did the PD go this far with so little?

This police department has a history of jumping to conclusions. nothing adds up. I thought after the State reviewed it the case would be dismissed. wishful thinking I guess. the State is moving forward based on him identifying me. the police report clearly shows the driver was "pretty confident of his selection" pretty confident is hardly a positive ID.

My main purpose in telling this story is to show how easy it is to pin something on someone who never had anything to do with the crime, and show what a bunch of false allegations can do. how in the world does a police department only check a 25 mile radius while cross checking State license plates is beyond me!!!

Counter sue for real. And don't back down even if they dismiss this. They've gone too far! You have real damages
you can prove.


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Post by: Shutter on June 01, 2014, 12:08:27 AM
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Ouch, Dave.

Sounds like a good investigative story - why did the PD go this far with so little?

This police department has a history of jumping to conclusions. nothing adds up. I thought after the State reviewed it the case would be dismissed. wishful thinking I guess. the State is moving forward based on him identifying me. the police report clearly shows the driver was "pretty confident of his selection" pretty confident is hardly a positive ID.

My main purpose in telling this story is to show how easy it is to pin something on someone who never had anything to do with the crime, and show what a bunch of false allegations can do. how in the world does a police department only check a 25 mile radius while cross checking State license plates is beyond me!!!

Counter sue for real. And don't back down even if they dismiss this. They've gone too far! You have real damages
you can prove.

I've been typing my complaint to the Police Department for several hours now. I've held back until I had understood everything said and done. I read in the police report they only found my truck matching in the area of the accident. after talking with my insurance investigator I found out he only checked a 25 mile radius. this is important to know if I'm to counter. I also had to inform to my agent that I was not picked out of a police lineup. the drivers lawyer was claiming I was ID'd this way. my insurance company explained everything in detail to them. they are now also questioning what happened. he told them he is closing the case, and denying any claims to Mr. Ramos.

Film at 11 :)

This would be like going to a crime scene and lifting some prints, but only checking local records!

.
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Post by: MarkBennett on June 01, 2014, 05:43:06 PM
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Ouch, Dave.

Sounds like a good investigative story - why did the PD go this far with so little?

This police department has a history of jumping to conclusions. nothing adds up. I thought after the State reviewed it the case would be dismissed. wishful thinking I guess. the State is moving forward based on him identifying me. the police report clearly shows the driver was "pretty confident of his selection" pretty confident is hardly a positive ID.

My main purpose in telling this story is to show how easy it is to pin something on someone who never had anything to do with the crime, and show what a bunch of false allegations can do. how in the world does a police department only check a 25 mile radius while cross checking State license plates is beyond me!!!

Counter sue for real. And don't back down even if they dismiss this. They've gone too far! You have real damages
you can prove.

I've been typing my complaint to the Police Department for several hours now. I've held back until I had understood everything said and done. I read in the police report they only found my truck matching in the area of the accident. after talking with my insurance investigator I found out he only checked a 25 mile radius. this is important to know if I'm to counter. I also had to inform to my agent that I was not picked out of a police lineup. the drivers lawyer was claiming I was ID'd this way. my insurance company explained everything in detail to them. they are now also questioning what happened. he told them he is closing the case, and denying any claims to Mr. Ramos.

Film at 11 :)

This would be like going to a crime scene and lifting some prints, but only checking local records!

.

Shutter. Did the state drop the case or just your insurance company?

If it's still going on, do any of your local TV news stations have a reporter who reports on citizens being victimized by companies or the government?  If you could get one of them involved, it's very embarrassing for them to pursue it.
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Post by: Shutter on June 01, 2014, 05:47:49 PM
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Ouch, Dave.

Sounds like a good investigative story - why did the PD go this far with so little?

This police department has a history of jumping to conclusions. nothing adds up. I thought after the State reviewed it the case would be dismissed. wishful thinking I guess. the State is moving forward based on him identifying me. the police report clearly shows the driver was "pretty confident of his selection" pretty confident is hardly a positive ID.

My main purpose in telling this story is to show how easy it is to pin something on someone who never had anything to do with the crime, and show what a bunch of false allegations can do. how in the world does a police department only check a 25 mile radius while cross checking State license plates is beyond me!!!

Counter sue for real. And don't back down even if they dismiss this. They've gone too far! You have real damages
you can prove.

I've been typing my complaint to the Police Department for several hours now. I've held back until I had understood everything said and done. I read in the police report they only found my truck matching in the area of the accident. after talking with my insurance investigator I found out he only checked a 25 mile radius. this is important to know if I'm to counter. I also had to inform to my agent that I was not picked out of a police lineup. the drivers lawyer was claiming I was ID'd this way. my insurance company explained everything in detail to them. they are now also questioning what happened. he told them he is closing the case, and denying any claims to Mr. Ramos.

Film at 11 :)

This would be like going to a crime scene and lifting some prints, but only checking local records!

.

Shutter. Did the state drop the case or just your insurance company?

If it's still going on, do any of your local TV news stations have a reporter who reports on citizens being victimized by companies or the government?  If you could get one of them involved, it's very embarrassing for them to pursue it.

The insurance company backs me 100% they can clearly see the evidence. this was prior to them even looking at my vehicle. I've reached out to the local newspaper a while back, but never got a response. I'm working on something now that should help me gain media attention. my insurance company went over the evidence with the lawyer handling the civil part of this. they are now questioning the facts. my insurance company told them they will be denying any claims from Mr. Ramos. the driver who was hit.


at this point, the State wants to go to trial, and the civil matter seems to be drying up. usually it's reverse of what is going on. most of the time someone will be found guilty, or not guilty of a crime, then they go after them in civil court.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on June 02, 2014, 08:20:11 PM
Hmmmmm.  Davie PD, eh?  My fingers are getting a little twitchy. I might be calling them soon to discuss my new article for the Mountain News: "The Dark Side of Law Enforcement - harassment, bullying and intimidation of civilians by the guys with guns."

Let me know if you would like me to make your life more, um, interesting....

However, there will be a delay.  Tomorrow, I go to NY for three weeks. Mom is turning 90.
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Post by: Shutter on June 02, 2014, 09:38:57 PM
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Hmmmmm.  Davie PD, eh?  My fingers are getting a little twitchy. I might be calling them soon to discuss my new article for the Mountain News: "The Dark Side of Law Enforcement - harassment, bullying and intimidation of civilians by the guys with guns."

Let me know if you would like me to make your life more, um, interesting....

However, there will be a delay.  Tomorrow, I go to NY for three weeks. Mom is turning 90.


they don't really fall in the categories you mentioned. it's more like poorly investigated, and finding the closest match to the area. plain ordinary bad Police work, jumping to conclusions type of deal. falsely. or wrongly accused of having a similar vehicle (only by color & name/Dodge) and having the first alleged 3 letters in a temporary tag from 2009/2010....a typical KC investigation :)
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Post by: georger on June 03, 2014, 04:31:56 PM
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Hmmmmm.  Davie PD, eh?  My fingers are getting a little twitchy. I might be calling them soon to discuss my new article for the Mountain News: "The Dark Side of Law Enforcement - harassment, bullying and intimidation of civilians by the guys with guns."

Let me know if you would like me to make your life more, um, interesting....

However, there will be a delay.  Tomorrow, I go to NY for three weeks. Mom is turning 90.

Big congrats to your Mom Bruce. That is a milestone! Mosal Tov! Yermiah
Give her some Chopin if she likes music - Horowitz.
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Post by: Shutter on July 17, 2014, 05:14:35 PM
Robert, I made a short video of a takeoff. I pitched about 12-15 degrees. I think I was pitching at 20 or so before, but it still seems the altitude is a struggle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkOpHj6ps0o
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Post by: Robert99 on July 17, 2014, 08:36:35 PM
Shutter, that climb angle and altitude gain in the video looked good.  And that was a perfect landing!

What is the position of the Krueger flaps and slats on the leading edge of the wings?  Are you sure they are in the correct position for the flap setting?
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Post by: Shutter on July 17, 2014, 08:39:41 PM
when I adjust any type of weight on the plane it tells me what to set the flaps at. in this flight the flaps were set to 20 degrees. I can only set the flaps. the leading edge flaps set themselves. I left out the video of the flaps setting on the APU. I'll post that in an hour or so.


Thanks for the compliment on the landing by the way....
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Post by: Shutter on July 17, 2014, 08:49:41 PM
I forgot I had this short video of the flaps. I set them at 15 degrees. you can see the LE Flap lights on it below the gauge. I also show them being deployed on the APU...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnTG12IB4zo
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Post by: Robert99 on July 17, 2014, 08:55:44 PM
As I understand it, you have a limited number of "ident" positions for setting the flaps (assuming everything is set by one cockpit flap lever) and that the leading edge devices are programmed for one or two of those positions.  Could you list the main flap settings in degrees for each of those "ident" positions and the positions that also control the leading edge devices? 
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Post by: Shutter on July 17, 2014, 09:00:47 PM
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As I understand it, you have a limited number of "ident" positions for setting the flaps (assuming everything is set by one cockpit flap lever) and that the leading edge devices are programmed for one or two of those positions.  Could you list the main flap settings in degrees for each of those "ident" positions and the positions that also control the leading edge devices?


I can only set the flaps with one key, or by mouse. the increments are as follows 2,5,15,20,25,30,40. as soon as I hit the flaps for the first time. the LE flaps engage. I'll make a video of that showing the increments....
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Post by: Robert99 on July 17, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
Okay, I have just taken a look at your last video and it appears that the LE devices deploy (they seem to have only a fully deployed position or completed retracted position) when the main flaps reach 5 degrees.  So basically, the LE devices deploy every time you have any realistic flap movement down.

Some airlines may have had their flaps and LE devices programmed differently based on my watching LE movements as a passenger on quite a few 727 flights.  Specifically, I have seen the "slotted flaps" on the outboard LE areas of the wings stay fully extended for quite a while as the 727 gained both speed and altitude (5 to 10 thousand feet).  I think they were kept extended for so long to improve lateral (roll) control. 
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Post by: Shutter on July 17, 2014, 09:10:37 PM
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Okay, I have just taken a look at your last video and it appears that the LE devices deploy (they seem to have only a fully deployed position or completed retracted position) when the main flaps reach 5 degrees.  So basically, the LE devices deploy every time you have any realistic flap movement down.

Some airlines may have had their flaps and LE devices programmed differently based on my watching LE movements as a passenger on quite a few 727 flights.  Specifically, I have seen the "slotted flaps" on the outboard LE areas of the wings stay fully extended for quite a while as the 727 gained both speed and altitude (5 to 10 thousand feet).  I think they were kept extended for so long to improve lateral (roll) control.


I took some video from the wing view. the LE flaps come out on flap setting of 2, and then 5. they don't do anything past that point. they stay the same all the way to 40 degrees. shouldn't take long to load a vid and show it from outside.....that's correct. they deploy when setting the flaps in the down position.
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Post by: Shutter on July 17, 2014, 09:40:00 PM
The video is almost up and running...I forgot to add narration of the settings. just remember 2,5,15,20,25,30,40
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Post by: Shutter on July 17, 2014, 09:42:04 PM
here it is....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYFkEJ3mTLM
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Post by: Shutter on July 18, 2014, 06:28:30 AM
This video goes through the flap settings. it's a real 727....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDs7haZK7Go
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Post by: Shutter on July 23, 2014, 08:14:05 PM
Apparently the site went down today? I haven't looked into it as of yet.my lawyers want me to cop out to the false hit & run. argued all day today with them. then I get a call that lightning hit my house. I had to change out the main breaker. went to Home Depot, got the new one.....it was bad. had to put a 70 amp in place of a 100 till tomorrow. it rained on me all day. other than that, it's been pretty good......:)
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Post by: georger on July 23, 2014, 11:15:47 PM
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Apparently the site went down today? I haven't looked into it as of yet.my lawyers want me to cop out to the false hit & run. argued all day today with them. then I get a call that lightning hit my house. I had to change out the main breaker. went to Home Depot, got the new one.....it was bad. had to put a 70 amp in place of a 100 till tomorrow. it rained on me all day. other than that, it's been pretty good......:)

I hope your fortunes change for the better - SOON!
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Post by: Shutter on July 23, 2014, 11:22:04 PM
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Apparently the site went down today? I haven't looked into it as of yet.my lawyers want me to cop out to the false hit & run. argued all day today with them. then I get a call that lightning hit my house. I had to change out the main breaker. went to Home Depot, got the new one.....it was bad. had to put a 70 amp in place of a 100 till tomorrow. it rained on me all day. other than that, it's been pretty good......:)

I hope your fortunes change for the better - SOON!

These last couple years have been horrible for me. I have this black cloud over me constantly. one bad thing after another. hopefully some light, not lightning will be at the end of the tunnel :)
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 24, 2014, 11:34:45 AM
Time for a new lawyer, perhaps?
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Post by: Shutter on July 24, 2014, 05:41:05 PM
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Time for a new lawyer, perhaps?

Well, it's pretty late in the game, but I've been looking into that. the insurance company (mine) has now decided to pay the claim, and added an extra $60 a month to my statement! My whole case is surrounding this in my opinion. you have two weapons in this accident. weapon #1 is the vehicle, and weapon #2 is the driver. when weapon #1 doesn't line up with the vehicle hit. weapon #2 becomes disabled. we have over 8 inches above my hood with damage on the other vehicle, and this is NOT enough to convince someone I didn't do this? this should be similar to a ballistics test. plus a dozen other factors that show I had nothing to do with this accident. I'm simple appalled as to how the Justice system functions anymore.
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on July 24, 2014, 07:33:19 PM
Have you tried to take this to the media? Sometimes a little bad press can work wonders.
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Post by: Shutter on July 24, 2014, 07:44:51 PM
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Have you tried to take this to the media? Sometimes a little bad press can work wonders.

I sent the story out several months ago to the newspaper, and other sources. I haven't heard a word back.
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Post by: Coopsnoop on July 31, 2014, 04:42:39 AM
Good advice Shutter, and Georger.  Hey Dave, I notice that your site is scoring extra big hits lately.  Congratulations.  One bit of housekeeping:  We are NOT going into Auburn to "Occupy Theater."  That's totally absurd.  Bruce and I are simply breezing into Auburn with Sail to have a beer in beautiful downtown Auburn and watch Bernie's Complaint get delivered to its proper target with proper process.  We're just there to watch the festivities.  I'll get ahold of Connie next week and straighten this entire overblown mess out.  We just want to experience Auburn and have a good time.  And Bruce will do his usual good job as scribe.
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Post by: georger on July 31, 2014, 12:24:09 PM
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Good advice Shutter, and Georger.  Hey Dave, I notice that your site is scoring extra big hits lately.  Congratulations.  One bit of housekeeping:  We are NOT going into Auburn to "Occupy Theater."  That's totally absurd.  Bruce and I are simply breezing into Auburn with Sail to have a beer in beautiful downtown Auburn and watch Bernie's Complaint get delivered to its proper target with proper process.  We're just there to watch the festivities.  I'll get ahold of Connie next week and straighten this entire overblown mess out.  We just want to experience Auburn and have a good time.  And Bruce will do his usual good job as scribe.

Who will the attorney of record be? You or somebody else? Dont need a name.
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Post by: Shutter on July 31, 2014, 01:19:20 PM
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Good advice Shutter, and Georger.  Hey Dave, I notice that your site is scoring extra big hits lately.  Congratulations.  One bit of housekeeping:  We are NOT going into Auburn to "Occupy Theater."  That's totally absurd.  Bruce and I are simply breezing into Auburn with Sail to have a beer in beautiful downtown Auburn and watch Bernie's Complaint get delivered to its proper target with proper process.  We're just there to watch the festivities.  I'll get ahold of Connie next week and straighten this entire overblown mess out.  We just want to experience Auburn and have a good time.  And Bruce will do his usual good job as scribe.

Who will the attorney of record be? You or somebody else? Dont need a name.


Typically, the police serve these things, or someone dealing in the court system. same guy who serves you divorce papers, or a summons.
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Post by: Coopsnoop on August 01, 2014, 04:39:03 AM
Message from Galen Cook to the followers of Dave Shutter's DB Cooper site, AND to the followers at the DropZone:

It has been brought to my attention by several researchers, investigators, authors, and persons of a general interest in the DB Cooper case, that the current schism between myself and Mr. Blevins is non-productive and hurts the advancement of the case.  I am willing to make this agreement with Mr. Blevins to end this rather nasty episode.   The agreement involves bilateral promises in exchange for each other's words per terms of the agreement.  Signature by both parties, preceded with a backslash, is required.  This agreement is witnessed by the viewers from both sites and is effective immediately upon signature by both parties, and runs for a period of five (5) years.

                                                      AGREEMENT

Parties:  Robert M. Blevins;  Galen G. Cook.

terms:   Robert M. Blevins (RMB) promises to not use Galen G. Cook's (GGC) name, or reference to it, in any context, form, or manner, in any medium including the internet, magazines, radio, television, newspaper, etc., for a minimum period of five years.  RMB further promises to not use William Gossett's name, including any and all relatives of the Gossett family, in any medium as aforementioned, for a minimum period of five years from date of signature.

Galen G. Cook promises to not use Robert Blevin's name or reference to it, in any context, form, or manner, in any medium including the internet, magazines, radio, television, newspaper, etc., for a minimum period of five years.  GGC further promises to not use Kenneth Christianson's name, including any and all relatives of the Christianson family, in any medium as aforementioned, for a minimum period of five years from date of signature.
Additonally, GGC promises not to represent any parties involved in, or contemplating, legal proceedings against RMB. Further, GGC promises not to confront RMB personally, or through agents, during the Auburn Days Festival in 2014, or any time henceforth.

This AGREEMENT is final and integrated for purposes of ending beratement, disparagement, and feuding between the parties in public forums.  It is the intent of BOTH parties to fully honor the terms stated above, without consideration of remedies for breach.

DATED:   August 1, 2014

Signed:   (RMB)
              (GGC)  /Galen G. Cook.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 01, 2014, 05:02:45 PM
Hey, G, that beer is gonna taste pretty good, come August 9, 2014.
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Post by: georger on August 02, 2014, 01:40:39 AM
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Hey, G, that beer is gonna taste pretty good, come August 9, 2014.

Not a chance in Hell.
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Post by: Shutter on August 02, 2014, 10:23:36 AM
Ok, so the message has been delivered. could someone tell me offline what exactly is going to transpire on August 9th 2014? I can understand parties wanting to put an injunction on Robert since he has been constantly accusing people of Federal crimes with weak evidence, or none at all. I would like to know how real this event really is if you don't mind.

Personally, I would have stepped in years ago if someone was stating things like this all over the internet. how long could someone tolerate reading the stuff he writes about some of the people he is trying to involve in the crime. these are strong accusations that need to be backed up with hard evidence. I haven't seen any of that.

It's pretty obvious Bernie and his ex wife don't like each other. it's possible she is claiming all of this to cause problems for him. the guy has stated on National television he had nothing to do with the crime. the FBI doesn't seem interested what so ever in this soap opera of events over the past few years. especially if he sent them his book, and two separate files with all of his supposed evidence which seems to be nothing but a bunch of he said, she said noise.
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Post by: georger on August 03, 2014, 01:20:41 AM
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Ok, so the message has been delivered. could someone tell me offline what exactly is going to transpire on August 9th 2014? I can understand parties wanting to put an injunction on Robert since he has been constantly accusing people of Federal crimes with weak evidence, or none at all. I would like to know how real this event really is if you don't mind.

Personally, I would have stepped in years ago if someone was stating things like this all over the internet. how long could someone tolerate reading the stuff he writes about some of the people he is trying to involve in the crime. these are strong accusations that need to be backed up with hard evidence. I haven't seen any of that.

It's pretty obvious Bernie and his ex wife don't like each other. it's possible she is claiming all of this to cause problems for him. the guy has stated on National television he had nothing to do with the crime. the FBI doesn't seem interested what so ever in this soap opera of events over the past few years. especially if he sent them his book, and two separate files with all of his supposed evidence which seems to be nothing but a bunch of he said, she said noise.

Looks like a mess now. But, and I know this may sound strange, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out Geestman has known little or nothing about the RMB "Hub-Bub" since Geestman's appearance on Decoded. Some people just don't live 'connected' lives, if that makes any sense. He may have caught rumors of this or that during the years but not a full force 'education' about the debate, so-called,  going on?  There is a story about two hermits and twenty years after the ruckus at Coventry and Lady Godiva riding by stark naked, two hermits come out of their caves for a breath of fresh air and the one turns to the other and asks: "Did you hear that ruckus the other day?". The other replies: "Damned right I did. That's why I getting the hell out of here. There's just too much commotion around here on a daily basis!"

   
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Post by: Shutter on August 03, 2014, 09:38:18 AM
I'm sure most of these people had no idea they were being discussed all over the internet. writing a book is one thing, but constantly calling someone a liar all over the place can get you in a legal bind. more, and more stories are popping up about accusations on the internet. You Tube will be reduced to nothing since there is a large percentage of videos are breaching copyrights. I'm sure it will be a matter of time before I will have to remove the photo's in the gallery due to copyrights. internet providers are speaking about slowing your internet speed down if copyright infringement is found. the greed is totally out of control. I think it would be rather easy to fight back. you just stop going to ballgames, stop going to movies etc. and hit them where it counts.
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Post by: Shutter on August 03, 2014, 11:40:11 AM
This video reminds me of someone who flew my simulator....HaHa.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOmzjUHVy8
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Post by: MarkBennett on August 03, 2014, 01:12:31 PM
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This video reminds me of someone who flew my simulator....HaHa.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpOmzjUHVy8

Can't be me....he didn't crash!
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Post by: MarkBennett on August 03, 2014, 01:16:21 PM
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I'm sure most of these people had no idea they were being discussed all over the internet. writing a book is one thing, but constantly calling someone a liar all over the place can get you in a legal bind. more, and more stories are popping up about accusations on the internet. You Tube will be reduced to nothing since there is a large percentage of videos are breaching copyrights. I'm sure it will be a matter of time before I will have to remove the photo's in the gallery due to copyrights. internet providers are speaking about slowing your internet speed down if copyright infringement is found. the greed is totally out of control. I think it would be rather easy to fight back. you just stop going to ballgames, stop going to movies etc. and hit them where it counts.

Interesting...the version of "Into The Blast" which is available now (not the updated version that Robert says is coming out next weekend on Amazon), does not mention Bernie Geestman by name.  He's referred to as Mike Watson.  Was the "Decoded" program the first to name him publicly?
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Post by: Shutter on August 03, 2014, 02:05:02 PM
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I'm sure most of these people had no idea they were being discussed all over the internet. writing a book is one thing, but constantly calling someone a liar all over the place can get you in a legal bind. more, and more stories are popping up about accusations on the internet. You Tube will be reduced to nothing since there is a large percentage of videos are breaching copyrights. I'm sure it will be a matter of time before I will have to remove the photo's in the gallery due to copyrights. internet providers are speaking about slowing your internet speed down if copyright infringement is found. the greed is totally out of control. I think it would be rather easy to fight back. you just stop going to ballgames, stop going to movies etc. and hit them where it counts.

Interesting...the version of "Into The Blast" which is available now (not the updated version that Robert says is coming out next weekend on Amazon), does not mention Bernie Geestman by name.  He's referred to as Mike Watson.  Was the "Decoded" program the first to name him publicly?


I can only assume since he has no real proof he is taking measures so future law suits can't happen. perhaps pressure caused this. I'm sure these posts will find there way to Dropzone in a matter of hours.
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Post by: georger on August 03, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
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I'm sure most of these people had no idea they were being discussed all over the internet. writing a book is one thing, but constantly calling someone a liar all over the place can get you in a legal bind. more, and more stories are popping up about accusations on the internet. You Tube will be reduced to nothing since there is a large percentage of videos are breaching copyrights. I'm sure it will be a matter of time before I will have to remove the photo's in the gallery due to copyrights. internet providers are speaking about slowing your internet speed down if copyright infringement is found. the greed is totally out of control. I think it would be rather easy to fight back. you just stop going to ballgames, stop going to movies etc. and hit them where it counts.

Interesting...the version of "Into The Blast" which is available now (not the updated version that Robert says is coming out next weekend on Amazon), does not mention Bernie Geestman by name.  He's referred to as Mike Watson.  Was the "Decoded" program the first to name him publicly?

Lots going on behind the scenes for sure!  Mike Watson may be Tony Hammer, who is also Ronaldo Smith, who is Mr. White (or Mrs Fish's husband) in coming editions. Pretty soon you will need a Chinese dictionary of occult arts just to keep track of it all - Im going fishing! Fill me in when I get back, if I ever come back! I read non-fiction and never read occult pulp fiction laid out as a textbook replacing physics!

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Post by: Shutter on August 05, 2014, 04:43:30 PM
My new name is Bake Potato......hottest I've ever seen it down here. the heat index, or feels like was 104 degree's. no clouds. worked 7 hrs in it today.
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Post by: Robert99 on August 05, 2014, 07:16:18 PM
I agree that 104 degrees in Florida is BAD.  But having spent about 40 years in a desert environment with occasionally zero humidity, zero clouds, and 126 degrees, I know the feeling of REALLY BAD heat. :)

Robert99
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Post by: Shutter on August 05, 2014, 07:35:37 PM
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I agree that 104 degrees in Florida is BAD.  But having spent about 40 years in a desert environment with occasionally zero humidity, zero clouds, and 126 degrees, I know the feeling of REALLY BAD heat. :)

Robert99

You could only work about 15-20 minutes tops, then take cover. my eyes still hurt from wiping them constantly. no shade until about 2 pm. by then it doesn't matter you are already spent.
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Post by: georger on August 10, 2014, 03:29:36 PM
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I agree that 104 degrees in Florida is BAD.  But having spent about 40 years in a desert environment with occasionally zero humidity, zero clouds, and 126 degrees, I know the feeling of REALLY BAD heat. :)

Robert99

The gates are open again! Congrats.



You could only work about 15-20 minutes tops, then take cover. my eyes still hurt from wiping them constantly. no shade until about 2 pm. by then it doesn't matter you are already spent.

The gates are open again - congrats.
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Post by: Shutter on August 10, 2014, 03:44:41 PM
This is all due to one man....Skhilled, he was able to get us running, and has proven to be an asset to the forum. he's an all around good guy...
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Post by: georger on August 10, 2014, 04:31:25 PM
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This is all due to one man....Skhilled, he was able to get us running, and has proven to be an asset to the forum. he's an all around good guy...

Where do we send the roses? Hell the icons are even working for me now - I like driving a modern vehicle! Whoopie! 8) ::) :-* ;D :) :) :) Now I must get to watering the cows and tomatoes - later...

Which brings up a point! When I started this project looking at the money from Tina Bar (on the Faxio property), you have no idea how badly I was hoping Fazio's cattle had something to do with the money. Early reports said the Fazio had allowed their cattle on the beach. The Fazio insisted otherwise. JT said one thing one day, another thing the next, Tom and I debated the issue back and forth ... knowing full well that IF cattle had been on that beach when the Cooper money 'arrived', or surfaced, that cattle could (and would) make quick work of $200,000 twenties! That in a nutshell could explain where the Cooper money went, how it got dispersed, etc etc etc. Well ... it turned out not to be so simple. The Fazio insisted their cattle had never been allowed on the beach. They also insisted there was no run-off from their cattle operation onto the beach, they pointed to a retention beach etc (see former posts at DZ about this with illustrations) .... as I recall this Tom did not think cattle had played a big role (or any role at all) and Tom looked for signs of urine etc in the money. I never could find a photo of cattle on Tina Bar. And why would any of this be important? It might help date the money history at Tina Bar. It might help establish where the Cooper money went and how, if the whole bag of Cooper money was ever on Tina Bar. So, as I write this, I do need to get going and look to the watering of my critters today, we have had little rain in the last 48, things are dry, so ... later. But a big thanks for getting this website back up and running. Somebody deserves a bunch of medals for that!     
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Post by: Shutter on August 10, 2014, 04:43:41 PM
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This is all due to one man....Skhilled, he was able to get us running, and has proven to be an asset to the forum. he's an all around good guy...

Where do we send the roses? Hell the icons are even working for me now - I like driving a modern vehicle! Whoopie! 8) ::) :-* ;D :) :) :) Now I must get to watering the cows and tomatoes - later...


A very nice guy who went the extra mile to help someone in need. you don't find that often anymore. it was the proxy blocker I put on here to block Blevins. it was an older mod that had known issues that I wasn't aware of. he has given me helpful tips for future use in maintaining the forum, and what to look out for. he is "The Man Of The Week"  ;D :D :)
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Post by: Shutter on August 10, 2014, 04:52:16 PM
"must get to watering the cows and tomatoes"

I would trade Florida for that anytime. I miss the farm life....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1sjOg8TFYw
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 10, 2014, 04:59:06 PM
Good to be back.  Thanks to all.
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Post by: Shutter on August 11, 2014, 11:00:35 PM
Wow, Robin Williams killed himself. said he had been battling depression......sad.
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Post by: georger on August 13, 2014, 01:50:23 PM
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....sad.

To All: I have taken down my account at Dropzone. I told Quade and Sangiro I will NOT participate further in a
hypocritical opportunistic attack forum they run at Dropzone.com. I am finally done.

It was always going to end that way anyway at Dropzone.

There is no accounting for some people's destructive hobbies operating openly at DZ! Too many people have been hurt there by the attack dogs that are allowed to operate there with impunity _ at the pleasure of Quade and Sangiro who I now consider as "obtuse" as the vipers that operate in their thread at DZ! Sangiro refuse to remove my personal name from Amazon's attack post, suddenly saying it does not violate the rules now!? Quade would not reply to me at all! Sangiro says "we" whoever we is, are very upset with "all you people at that thread", but of course these delinquent managers will not DO ANYTHING! It's just more of the same-old and I have had enough of this hurtful nonsense at Quade's hypocritical thread. 

Fact is this almost happened when Ckret left after Jo Weber attacked Ckret at Dropzone and then actually tried to have him fired by filing complaints against Ckret in Washington DC. As if there was any doubt, that certified for me what Jo Weber was all about and who she was! The fact that Quade and Sangiro backed Weber 100% in her attacks against Ckret, even trying to destroy his personal life!, almost made me tell these jackasses that I would not participate in their 'forum for vipers'. Dropzone has never been an even playing field but nothing more than a habitual opportunity for a few skydivers and their friends to not only monopolise the DB Cooper discussion but to let the thread serve as a platform for a few of their friends ... in a ruthless manner where there are no rules and people actually do get hurt! As far as I am concern that whole website should be taken down as long as their DB Cooper thread operates there.

In any event I have had enough. I am permanently gone from Dropzone.

Special thanks to RobertMBlevins, Jo Weber, Amazon (Leean _______), Sangiro the owner, and this other tool named Paul Quade.

Adue -
 
   


 
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on August 13, 2014, 05:19:16 PM
That forum is all about Weber and Christiansen now, nothing more. As far as actual discussion on the Copper case is concerned, this forum has already surpassed it. It really should be put down, It has outlived it's usefulness.
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Post by: Shutter on August 13, 2014, 05:20:59 PM
I'm not surprised though. Quade & Sangiro will never go against another jumper unless it's something really bad. they are fed up with the thread in general, but it appears to be profiting for them. so I don't see them removing it anytime soon. 377 will jump on soon and try to control it with a new topic. I have no intention to post there. it just causes problems. actually you really don't read much in the Cooper sites that say anything good about the DZ. it's basically all in house who is viewing it.

The last post on there was funny from Blevins. he always gives Robert99 a hard time with the flight path, but fails to realize the very samething he talks about goes for KC. he will never get over the hurdle of Tina having to look up at Cooper. she would be eye to eye with KC. period! Robert99 has valid points, Blevins tries to cut around points. cookie cutter Blevins would be a good name for him and his boy!
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Post by: Shutter on August 13, 2014, 05:22:32 PM
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That forum is all about Weber and Christiansen now, nothing more. As far as actual discussion on the Copper case is concerned, this forum has already surpassed it. It really should be put down, It has outlived it's usefulness.

That's funny, you say it like it's a dog  :D ;D   "It really should be put down" I do agree though.  8)

I see the post count started working again....
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Post by: Shutter on August 13, 2014, 05:49:11 PM
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That forum is all about Weber and Christiansen now, nothing more. As far as actual discussion on the Copper case is concerned, this forum has already surpassed it. It really should be put down, It has outlived it's usefulness.

Don't forget Auburn days, and watching Blevins go on stage like some little kid. I can't believe the way he went up there with his papers foilded, then he started going through them not knowing where to start? very unorganized. and don't forget the 202.4 billion who visit his website on a daily basis. and super computer Greg on the prowl.....and last but not least. the usual police reports about what happens on the internet. maybe next year they will show up in full riot gear.
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Post by: georger on August 14, 2014, 12:17:18 PM
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That forum is all about Weber and Christiansen now, nothing more. As far as actual discussion on the Copper case is concerned, this forum has already surpassed it. It really should be put down, It has outlived it's usefulness.

Don't forget Auburn days, and watching Blevins go on stage like some little kid. I can't believe the way he went up there with his papers foilded, then he started going through them not knowing where to start? very unorganized. and don't forget the 202.4 billion who visit his website on a daily basis. and super computer Greg on the prowl.....and last but not least. the usual police reports about what happens on the internet. maybe next year they will show up in full riot gear.

The whole situation in the DZ thread has been dysfunctional and slanted from the start! Blevins is just the most recent opportunist taking advantage of the situation. Before it was Jo Weber driving everyone off. Now it is Blevins. This isn't rocket science! Blevins and Weber are allowed to say and "do" anything, on and off the forum. It's nuts!

The bottom line is: if you want and enjoy listening to these two lunatics preach and posture and ramrod their views of the day down everyone's throat, on any and every topic under God's Sun, then by all means go and use the Dropzone Cooper thread. His Majesty Blevins will tell you how things are and what the "truth" is on any given day and then Jo Weber will update you hourly on her bad health and woes (Woe Weber we call her) and if you don;t like this as an alternative to a Cooper discussion, you can read about Bruce Smith's latest exploits while 377 tells everyone to "get along". That pretty much covers it!

After years of this insane crap I finally decided to "get along" (down the road - see yawl! - and have a nice day - Butterscotch and a cherry on top, pleeaz! Turn the light out pleez.).  :) Must run! There's another hangup phone call in my in-box, from Blevins or Jo Weber. That is the one thing I can count on, daily!)
 
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Post by: Shutter on August 14, 2014, 10:51:24 PM
I can understand where you are coming from. the fun is gone. the thrill of the search is gone. nothing worth posting of value here in a long time. I have to put some thought into what the future of this site will be. I have a lot going on right now with work, and my trial coming up. this heat is taking a toll on my body. it's hard staying awake past 11 pm now. I'm use to being up till at least 12:30.

I hope you consider at least sticking around here. I need someone to help watch the tumble weed  ;D :D :)
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Post by: georger on August 15, 2014, 12:35:03 AM
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I can understand where you are coming from. the fun is gone. the thrill of the search is gone. nothing worth posting of value here in a long time. I have to put some thought into what the future of this site will be. I have a lot going on right now with work, and my trial coming up. this heat is taking a toll on my body. it's hard staying awake past 11 pm now. I'm use to being up till at least 12:30.

I hope you consider at least sticking around here. I need someone to help watch the tumble weed  ;D :D :)

Oh Im good at watching tumble weed. Funny.  :)

Just sent a message to R99 and he says it went elsewhere, or was not for him? In any event, R99 is talking about asking a politician or two for help - it might be a good idea. Ive wondered about this approach for years but never perused it and not sure why.  It does seem to me, just something I wonder about in a zoo of things I wonder about but never take action on, if asking a politician for help, especially one with a solid aviation background, might get some headway in the Cooper case? One of our State Senators was an F-4 pilot in Nam, for example. I don;t know - its just something Ive wondered about and evidently R99 is wondering along the same lines now. I wish him luck whatever he does.

Read Bruce tonight at DZ. Same old science fiction. Mind projection? Consciousness as part of the Cooper case? Revisiting Cooper bailing by accessing some time wrap through anti-gravity created by focusing consciousness?
woah! Maybe he could whip up a new van for $29.99. I'll take a Honda Odyssey, brown please. Please call ahead for delivery. No wonder Cooper was never found. He escaped into anti-gravity - somewhere.

Maybe we could rap dance our way to solving the Cooper case?

 

 
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 15, 2014, 11:06:19 PM
A brown Odyssey?  I'd have thought you'd go for white.
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Here they are folks; stated by Sangiro himself:


   
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    @unwritten rule: What people do by way of personal attacks or misbehavior related to being at Dropzone - IS NOT OUR BUSSINESS AND WE WILL NOT SANCTION PEOPLE FOR IT! This specifically includes Jo Weber and Robert M Blevins! They are free to do whatever they want off the forum and are welcome/protected here, in any event!

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(This post was edited by sangiro on Jul 2, 2014, 6:13 AM)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on August 17, 2014, 12:45:23 PM
Georger,
Some of this is Sangiro and some of it is your commentary.   Can you highlight which are you comments?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 18, 2014, 12:17:19 AM
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Georger,
Some of this is Sangiro and some of it is your commentary.   Can you highlight which are you comments?

What I added was Quade's, so it never was mine- everything else is Sangiro's:

(No outing of people. No posting of people's personal information without their permission. No posting of people's names if they are not using their personal names at Dropzone - a rule enforced by Paul Quade numerous times at DZ; Sangiro now says there never was any such rule!)

    @unwritten rule: What people do by way of personal attacks or misbehavior related to being at Dropzone - IS NOT OUR BUSSINESS AND WE WILL NOT SANCTION PEOPLE FOR IT! This specifically includes Jo Weber and Robert M Blevins! They are free to do whatever they want off the forum and are welcome/protected here, in any event!


Quade strictly enforced the 'no outing, no personal information' rule. He added that clear back in 2008 and strictly enforced it. Those he had to enforce it against were Jo Weber, Amazon, and then Blevins. These three were always insisting that people go by their true names and post their personal vitas. Quade said it violated everyone's privacy at DZ, not just in the Cooper thread. He said it was a longstanding rule for all forums that people' personal info would be abridged and that whatever 'nym' people were posting by IN ALL FORUMS, was that their names were so far as Dropzone was concerned. There was a large debate about this, several times, again at the behest of Jo Weber, Amazon, and then Blevins when he arrived. Quade NEVER altered his stand on this. This it came as a shock to me for Sangiro to suddenly say 'there never has been such a rule', because there was, at least for the sake of the Cooper thread.!
 
When I say this was debated I mean it was "hotly debated"! People who had never posted in the Cooper thread came out of the woodwork to comment on keeping the "no personal info" rule. So, Quade had very strong and almost universal support for this rule. And I was personally glad, or I and Ckret probably would have left at that time.

Jo Weber wanted every advantage she could get. That is all this was about. I never did understand what Amazon's point/issue was. If Amazon had her way maybe half of the people in forum at DZ would leave? Then when Blevins arrived he brought the issue up immediately, and beat me over the head with it.

Recall that back in 2008 when Ckret agreed to come to DZ, it was on the premise that he would NOT be using his name. Geoff's book had not been published so my name was not in the public domain. Geoff published my name just for spite after a problem developed between him and Tom. I told Geoff to 'go XXXX himself' and the next thing I know, Geoff has broken his promise and published my name, otherwise I never would have talked to Gray at all.
I liked Geoff and was trying to keep peace between him and Tom, but things got out of hand and I had no choice but to back Tom and take Tom and Carol's side, over Gray. Gray got in a good swing at me and against the whole idea of a science team, basically, by publishing my name. Ten he turns around and tells me during a phone that he has a lot of respect for me and my family and never intended to 'hurt' any us - as if he could?!

I have never understood Amazon's position in this at all! She is a woman I have a lot of respect for. She is an exceedingly accomplished person, an accredited person, who is deserving of a ton of respect from 300 different directions! Then suddenly for some reason I find myself in trouble with her because (a) I told Jo Weber she need mental help, (b) Quade enforced the 'no personal info' rule, and (c) because I think Jeanne is of the opinion I am some kind of 'pretender' or don't have any real credentials, and she may even think I am some kind of con artist who fooled the FBI into allowing to put a science team together? I don;t know. Jeanne would have to explain herself. What I do know is her barbs are a little hard to take at times, and I think her approach to Jo Weber is a big mistake which would even backfire on Jeanne herself, if push came to shove.

Blevins is simple to explain. He likes looking for any flaws he can exploit to use to gain any personal advantage. He is EXACTLY as Geoff Gray described him to me. A wolf in sheep's skin. Blevins has tried to get people to give up their real names and credentials since he joined the thread. On one occasion I fired back at him: "Well who in hell are you to be asking people for their personal info? What is your personal info!?"  That shut him up, for a whole five minutes only.

Lastly, the last rule I added is: @unwritten rule: What people do by way of personal attacks or misbehavior related to being at Dropzone - IS NOT OUR BUSSINESS AND WE WILL NOT SANCTION PEOPLE FOR IT! This specifically includes Jo Weber and Robert M Blevins! They are free to do whatever they want off the forum and are welcome/protected here, in any event!

I added that because it became a point of contention 100 times over by the end of 2009, when Ckret was at Dropzone. People's complaints were directed at: Jo Weber (who else!). Jo's dirty work off the thread involved all kinds of people, ending in her attempt to actually have Agent Carr fired! (Where was Jeanne aka Amazon in this?)

Quade and I went back and forth several times over Jo's extra-circular activities she was engaging in. Quade got sick and tired of people's complaints. Jo was constantly digging to find out things about people, engaging in endless phone calls digging for information about me and others, driving people crazy.  I mean this reached fairly high levels including the Himmelsbach family. Sluggo and I and others had countless conversations about it ... it really got old.
Quade for his part was alarmed, and my sense is he was actually a little surprised at the extent of Jo's 'exploits' off the forum. I have no idea what communications transpired between Quade and Jo, but my sense was that Quade was concerned and trying to decide what kind of rule to apply. On each occasion Jo backed off finally, where I was involved. Later maybe in 2009 or even 2010 something came up again related to Jo's off-forum activities and Quade simply posted that 'he could not be accountable for people's personal actions off the forum' - and that is where this stands to this day, so far as I know it.

It's complicated isn't it!

My opinion is that you simply cannot account for what people will say or do, on or off a forum, and so some rather simple but straightforward rules must govern people's behavior on (and off) forums, if they are going to be allowed to participate. That's just my opinion. Have I violated my own 'rule' at Dropzone? Hell yes! In the middle of chaos one will finally do things you never would do otherwise. I think I was lucky to last as long as I did at Dropzone!

Would anyone do here what people do on DZ? No! Why not? Shutter would have that person out of here in a FLASH .... and that even applies to ME! Shutter would kick his own mother off of here for violating his rules, and THAT is exactly the way it should be for Shutter's sake if for no one Else's sake. But I know Shutter to be an extremely balanced and fair person all the way around. Shutter pout a tremendous amout of work into setting up this forum and I respect that 100%. And strangely, I think the same thing of Sangiro and Quade, Guru and all the other Mods at Dropzone! It is almost inconceivable to me they would intentionally sabotage their own hard work and best intentions. I guess I don't understand what their agenda is. But, I am just a grain of sand compared to Dropzone and its life, and the lives of all the other fine people there, most on other forums that work in peace...

In the final analysis it's what people say and do that matters most, regardless of their names or credentials, or income or background, etc etc. I am one of Blevins' "wage earner sheeple" - literally. I will leave it at that. I'm not interested in starting, or running, or causing - a revolution! I just want to get from A to Z and get there and back, in one piece ... like most people do!

Was I naive to think I could keep my name out of the public domain? No. I knew sooner or later my name would get out - what people who do with that is another matter and I never was totally sure what I would do about that, or could do about it. Was I naive to think I could use a 'nym' at Dropzone and people would respect that and my personal information? No. It was Quade's rule that nyms and people's personal info be respected. Have I ever violated anyone's personal privacy? No. Never.       

Thanks for asking.
G.

   

   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 18, 2014, 06:41:00 AM
What some people fail to see in things like this is the word "private". some people just don't like personal information given out, period. this is the whole reason an avatar was created. some people don't care if there name is mentioned, but others don't like it at all. Robert Blevins feels that since he likes to give out personal information, everyone else should follow his rule. when you promote yourself as a writer, or something under that guideline you have to in a sense give out more information than others. Dropzone.com should have respected George's wishes of not having his name exposed on that forum, regardless to what was posted elsewhere. I found this to be in poor taste for them to deny, or allow this to occur.

I have spoken through PM's many times with Amazon. she asked several times for me to go easy on Jo. sometimes that isn't so easy. she also felt as if Blevins was ganged up on. I don't see it that way. I never really felt comfortable over there because I'm not into the sport of skydiving. I tried to respect everyone there just as I do here, but even Amazon takes pokes at me, and this forum. that in my opinion makes her no better than what we were doing on that forum.

To many you might think giving a name is not a big deal. mine, and Georger's opinion seems to be different. the bottom line is the name should have been removed. just because it's found elsewhere doesn't give anyone the right to expose it somewhere else. I believe a lot of people (quade included) warned Robert about giving Rataczak's name and address because he thought it was ok since it was found easily. Georger's name was posted out of spite. that alone should have been enough to have it removed. names, address, and phone numbers all fall in the same category and should be respected by all. I back Georger 1000% in what he believes in, and the moral standards he follows.

Hope this makes sense. I've only been awake a little while during this posting  8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 18, 2014, 02:42:09 PM
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What some people fail to see in things like this is the word "private". some people just don't like personal information given out, period. this is the whole reason an avatar was created. some people don't care if there name is mentioned, but others don't like it at all. Robert Blevins feels that since he likes to give out personal information, everyone else should follow his rule. when you promote yourself as a writer, or something under that guideline you have to in a sense give out more information than others. Dropzone.com should have respected George's wishes of not having his name exposed on that forum, regardless to what was posted elsewhere. I found this to be in poor taste for them to deny, or allow this to occur.

I have spoken through PM's many times with Amazon. she asked several times for me to go easy on Jo. sometimes that isn't so easy. she also felt as if Blevins was ganged up on. I don't see it that way. I never really felt comfortable over there because I'm not into the sport of skydiving. I tried to respect everyone there just as I do here, but even Amazon takes pokes at me, and this forum. that in my opinion makes her no better than what we were doing on that forum.

To many you might think giving a name is not a big deal. mine, and Georger's opinion seems to be different. the bottom line is the name should have been removed. just because it's found elsewhere doesn't give anyone the right to expose it somewhere else. I believe a lot of people (quade included) warned Robert about giving Rataczak's name and address because he thought it was ok since it was found easily. Georger's name was posted out of spite. that alone should have been enough to have it removed. names, address, and phone numbers all fall in the same category and should be respected by all. I back Georger 1000% in what he believes in, and the moral standards he follows.

Hope this makes sense. I've only been awake a little while during this posting  8)

Let's shift the focus back to the Cooper case. That's what I want. That's all I wanted! And the board members at the private country club, Dropzone, can do as they please.

Discussing DB Cooper is the last thing they will ever do, or allow themselves to do!

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on August 18, 2014, 02:47:39 PM
Well, DropZone did something.  Robert Blevins' posts seem to have disappeared! I scrolled back several days and none of them appear anymore.  He's also marked himself as invisible.

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 18, 2014, 05:32:26 PM
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Well, DropZone did something.  Robert Blevins' posts seem to have disappeared! I scrolled back several days and none of them appear anymore.  He's also marked himself as invisible.

I was just on DZ replying to Blevins bashing the site again. I seen all his postings? what he wrote should of had Quade step in, but as usual...nothing.

I'm all for shifting back to Cooper with pleasure.......
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on August 18, 2014, 08:04:49 PM
That's interesting...none of Blevins posts show up for me, and there are gaps in the listing where they were.

It's like he never existed......
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 18, 2014, 08:09:03 PM
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That's interesting...none of Blevins posts show up for me, and there are gaps in the listing where they were.

It's like he never existed......

I haven't checked, but has DZ changed anything on posting. we have an ignore feature here. is it possible DZ has something of the sort?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: EVickiW on August 18, 2014, 09:49:42 PM
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That's interesting...none of Blevins posts show up for me, and there are gaps in the listing where they were.

It's like he never existed......

I haven't checked, but has DZ changed anything on posting. we have an ignore feature here. is it possible DZ has something of the sort?

Just a heads up....  I searched all of Blevins postings and everything he has posted in the past is gone. I can only see posts made by others if they quoted RMB in their posts. Also, twice today and just a few minutes ago, I received an email notification that a new comment was made on the DZ. I went there and nothing new since I checked it the last time. The last post is still shutter's post.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 18, 2014, 09:55:02 PM
so, yours and Marks seem to be blocked? let me check again and see if I was looking at quotes...


Update. I can see his posts as clear as day. he posted a reply to me.....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Robert99 on August 18, 2014, 11:03:56 PM
Shutter, I can't see Blevins posts either.  There is a missing number between your two posts on DZ this evening and I presume that is made by Blevins and you are responding to it.

Checking the information on Blevins leads to a screen that says all of his posts are "invisible".
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 18, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
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Shutter, I can't see Blevins posts either.  There is a missing number between your two posts on DZ this evening and I presume that is made by Blevins and you are responding to it.

Checking the information on Blevins leads to a screen that says all of his posts are "invisible".


Hmmmm, I would report this to Quade. I haven't a clue what is going on. 377 can't see him either. he has the same provider as I. others have Comcast, so a glitch seems to be out the window. I'm stumped at the moment.

I'm going to try my tablet and see if anything is different on there.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 18, 2014, 11:24:22 PM
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That's interesting...none of Blevins posts show up for me, and there are gaps in the listing where they were.

It's like he never existed......

Let me go over there and see what I find -

I've been trying to hold back, frankly, but I;m very close to a candid statement about what I think is going on at Dropzone. It's isn't pretty. It's a long history of THUGGERY conducted by _______________. It goes clear back to Ckret and people coming to DZ for Ckret, away from Websleuths where people had been gathered for 2-3 years, myself included. We had not one single issue under the fine Moderation at Websleuths. Then we go DZ and all hell breaks lose! And of course, Blevins wasn't even at Websleuths nor does he have any long Cooper. Weber wasn't at Websleuths. ................ we all go to Dropzone and I immediately smelled "trouble" and sure enough ... Quade tangled with Ckret right off the bat. The tone was set. The end guaranteed! Then Blevins arrives! (holy crap, shield the women and children. RIOT!).   

It's absurd.



 
 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 18, 2014, 11:54:55 PM
Now, I fired up my tablet and Blevin's posts are missing? I can see them on my computer, but they are missing on my tablet....the plot thickens.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 18, 2014, 11:59:22 PM
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That's interesting...none of Blevins posts show up for me, and there are gaps in the listing where they were.

It's like he never existed......

It's a meer-ackle! Blevins has been teleported or transmutated to Heaven! No posts. Will wonders ever cease?
All I do see is a statement by the Death Threat Kid at Atlanta, quote:

BruceSmith

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Everything I'm leaving dropzone because robert left and since he left I'm leaving too I didn't mean to make you guys I'm officially done goodbye
Via con Dios.

Now if we could get peace in Gaza, Iraq, and in Missouri!

Did you guys ever hear the one about the two hermits who encounter Lady Godiva riding a comet?
 :)   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on August 19, 2014, 12:03:28 AM
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Now, I fired up my tablet and Blevin's posts are missing? I can see them on my computer, but they are missing on my tablet....the plot thickens.
What's different?  Have you not logged off of your DZ account on your computer?

Shutter, if you can read Robert's posts, he must think he's still posting there.  But DZ has done something.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 19, 2014, 12:06:02 AM
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Now, I fired up my tablet and Blevin's posts are missing? I can see them on my computer, but they are missing on my tablet....the plot thickens.
What's different?  Have you not logged off of your DZ account on your computer?

Shutter, if you can read Robert's posts, he must think he's still posting there.  But DZ has done something.


Hmmm, no I didn't log off. let me do that and see what happens. be right back....stay tuned....film at 11  ;D :D


Yep, he's a goner now. I logged off and back on.....he vanished.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 19, 2014, 12:10:30 AM
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Now, I fired up my tablet and Blevin's posts are missing? I can see them on my computer, but they are missing on my tablet....the plot thickens.
What's different?  Have you not logged off of your DZ account on your computer?

Shutter, if you can read Robert's posts, he must think he's still posting there.  But DZ has done something.

I see everyone elses' posts including Shutter's recent posts, Jo's, Bruce's, Danielle's etal, but nothing by RMB.
I will try a tablet and several other devices - but only after Ive made some coffee. I fear a long night of coffee and Blevins mystery and car shopping and paper correcting and phD candidate counseling ahead - my phone is already ringing. It's the MBA/phD candidate asking ' HELP! I WAS CAPTURED AND TAKEN TO SOMETHING CALLED DROPZONE! HELP!

 8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 19, 2014, 12:22:20 AM
When I click on the " In reply to" nothing happens. the post has been removed. I'm sure they would have said something to him if the banned him? how was he able to keep posting if a ban was in place. his posts show up in a search, but not once you click on one from him to view. strange.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 19, 2014, 12:26:21 AM
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When I click on the " In reply to" nothing happens. the post has been removed. I'm sure they would have said something to him if the banned him? how was he able to keep posting if a ban was in place. his posts show up in a search, but not once you click on one from him to view. strange.

Same thing> it appears all Blevins posts have vanished. Maybe he left and requested all of his posts be removed? Danielle seems to know something - he says he is sorry Blevins is leaving and "I am leaving too". I went way back looking for RMB posts and found nothing but references to his posts on other people's posts. Has anyone asked someone there what happened?

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 19, 2014, 12:36:14 AM
I made a post explaining nobody can see him. Amazon just replied, but only said she was invisible to people seeing her online. nothing about posts missing. If they zapped his account he wouldn't be able to post to me while I was still logged on? once I logged off, he vanished. I haven't asked Amazon if she can see him.

I guess the best way to find out would be using a different computer that has never accessed DZ, and just go in as a guest. as you mentioned, the kid seems to know something.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on August 19, 2014, 12:37:34 AM
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When I click on the " In reply to" nothing happens. the post has been removed. I'm sure they would have said something to him if the banned him? how was he able to keep posting if a ban was in place. his posts show up in a search, but not once you click on one from him to view. strange.

Same thing> it appears all Blevins posts have vanished. Maybe he left and requested all of his posts be removed? Danielle seems to know something - he says he is sorry Blevins is leaving and "I am leaving too". I went way back looking for RMB posts and found nothing but references to his posts on other people's posts. Has anyone asked someone there what happened?

But Shutter was able to see Blevins posts that he made as late as tonight -- until he signed out and back on again.  If that's true, it would seem Blevins believes he's still posting.  Although, Danielle's post implies Blevins PM'd him to say he'd no longer be posting.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 19, 2014, 12:40:27 AM
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I made a post explaining nobody can see him. Amazon just replied, but only said she was invisible to people seeing her online. nothing about posts missing. If they zapped his account, he wouldn't be able to post to me while I was still logged on? once I logged off, he vanished. I haven't asked Amazon if she can see him.

I saw Amazon's smartass reply:
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I am invisible.. which just says I cant be seen in who is online. Had to do that because of a freak who was stalking me... and following me from forum to forum.

Maybe they will zap her next! Some people's kids never grow up.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 19, 2014, 12:43:05 AM
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When I click on the " In reply to" nothing happens. the post has been removed. I'm sure they would have said something to him if the banned him? how was he able to keep posting if a ban was in place. his posts show up in a search, but not once you click on one from him to view. strange.

Same thing> it appears all Blevins posts have vanished. Maybe he left and requested all of his posts be removed? Danielle seems to know something - he says he is sorry Blevins is leaving and "I am leaving too". I went way back looking for RMB posts and found nothing but references to his posts on other people's posts. Has anyone asked someone there what happened?

But Shutter was able to see Blevins posts that he made as late as tonight -- until he signed out and back on again.  If that's true, it would seem Blevins believes he's still posting.  Although, Danielle's post implies Blevins PM'd him to say he'd no longer be posting.

PM 377 and ask - he will know.

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 19, 2014, 12:54:06 AM
Well, if 377 noticed a missing post. that should rule out any blocking. perhaps they did honor a request for removal of his account. that would make everything go "poof"
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 19, 2014, 12:57:14 AM
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Well, if 377 noticed a missing post. that should rule out any blocking. perhaps they did honor a request for removal of his account. that would make everything go "poof"

I have asked someone who uses DZ who will know and simply say what it is - without all the drama.

You know Jo considers all of her posts as copywritten - her property! Maybe Blevins did the same and asked all of his "property" be taken down? Recall we went through kak-kah with Blev before when he copied all of DZ (everyone's posts) and was going to publish them, as his own! ? All hell broke lose. Maybe he intends to publish all of us? I could see him trying something like that.   

More to the point: WHY doesn't someone at DZ just SAY what's going on? Why all of the kah-kah and intrigue from Amazon, nothing from Quade, etc etc. WTF is going on with these people who run that site!?
 
 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 19, 2014, 09:02:01 AM
I can see Robert again on DZ. still spewing off topic related things. I replied for the last time with him stating he was breaking rules, and told him I wasn't removing any comments from here. I basically told him if he didn't like it, tough. it's obviously some sort of server issue as I expected. no real mystery to unravel.

I think we have wasted enough time and space on Robert Blevins.

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 19, 2014, 05:38:30 PM
Shut, when you start seeing dead people, please let us know.  Thanks.

BTW, Blevs can read the DZ as if it is normal. He thinks those who can't see his posts are the ones who have been banned from the DZ.

Anything new with DB Cooper? I don't have a thing.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 19, 2014, 05:48:48 PM
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Shut, when you start seeing dead people, please let us know.  Thanks.

BTW, Blevs can read the DZ as if it is normal. He thinks those who can't see his posts are the ones who have been banned from the DZ.

Anything new with DB Cooper? I don't have a thing.

Tell him he is a fool who always jumps to conclusions. can he explain why Amazon, or 377 can't see his comments? or anyone else for that matter. I haven't a clue why I can see him, and others can not....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Parrotheadvol on August 19, 2014, 06:05:08 PM
Seems as though Mr. Blevins is in some sort of message board purgatory.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 19, 2014, 06:07:36 PM
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Shut, when you start seeing dead people, please let us know.  Thanks.

BTW, Blevs can read the DZ as if it is normal. He thinks those who can't see his posts are the ones who have been banned from the DZ.

Anything new with DB Cooper? I don't have a thing.

He would say that and it's not true. I checked. A number of people are not seeing his posts, but can see everything/everyone else. This has nothing to do with banishment. Bannecd people, so-called, can see all posts, just not Blevins' posts. This is affecting  Blevins posts only - for almost everyone. Why dont you check things out before reporting it?

A whole IT dept at a  corporation I polled, cannot see Blevins' posts, and they have never been to Dropzone!

Something is screwed up with the Dropzone server, which is no surprise.

It has nothing to do with having clicked the spam button on Blevins either, because the spam button has been clicked on Jo not only by herself by mistake but by others also, and all of her posts are visible and current.

This is exclusive to Blevins for some reason. Im glad he thinks he's being seen!  :) :)

As to Cooper yes I have new info but I cant get there to think and write it up yet. Both on the dna tests and on Weber. I will post it here when I can. Things are extremely busy here ... classes have started and its a zoo.

Blevins posted that the server problem might correct itself, with time? He might just be right ? Who knows. It's just one more Dropzone enigma in and endless list of same ...... except for skydivers there on other threads for whom life is always easy and smooth, God bless them! I envy them! 



 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 19, 2014, 06:15:03 PM
I'm just glad to see other forums have issues that come out of nowhere. I think Robert99 is right. the spam button is the cause of the problems. you don't know how these things will work until you try them.

I just seen your edit Georger. Jo's posts did disappear several weeks ago. Robert99 had the issue. it's possible the mod/program was not taking affect 100% at that time? just a guess though....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 19, 2014, 11:35:49 PM
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I'm just glad to see other forums have issues that come out of nowhere. I think Robert99 is right. the spam button is the cause of the problems. you don't know how these things will work until you try them.

I just seen your edit Georger. Jo's posts did disappear several weeks ago. Robert99 had the issue. it's possible the mod/program was not taking affect 100% at that time? just a guess though....

I wasn't aware the Ghana Brigade and Tibetan Mafia were spamming Dropzone? Guess I missed that among all the RobertMBlevins and Jo Weber promos selling headless suspects and three legged stools as "mint like new". In fact I have never seen any real SPAM on Dropzone at all. Guess I hang out in the wrong sections?

What they need over there is a Credibility button
 

   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on August 20, 2014, 12:54:37 AM
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I'm just glad to see other forums have issues that come out of nowhere. I think Robert99 is right. the spam button is the cause of the problems. you don't know how these things will work until you try them.

I just seen your edit Georger. Jo's posts did disappear several weeks ago. Robert99 had the issue. it's possible the mod/program was not taking affect 100% at that time? just a guess though....

Shutter,
Where did you get the alternate URL that shows Blevins' posts?

URL (http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Skydiving_History_%26_Trivia_F21/DB_Cooper_P3110098-2199)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 20, 2014, 04:03:39 AM
G-1, can I get a "Royalty" button?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 20, 2014, 05:55:48 AM
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I'm just glad to see other forums have issues that come out of nowhere. I think Robert99 is right. the spam button is the cause of the problems. you don't know how these things will work until you try them.

I just seen your edit Georger. Jo's posts did disappear several weeks ago. Robert99 had the issue. it's possible the mod/program was not taking affect 100% at that time? just a guess though....

Shutter,
Where did you get the alternate URL that shows Blevins' posts?

URL (http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Skydiving_History_%26_Trivia_F21/DB_Cooper_P3110098-2199)

It's the one that pops up on my computer when I go to the site? when I check my tablet, he's not there. when I look on my phone, he's not there. this seems to be the only computer that can see his posts. this morning I looked on DZ, he made several new ones. he's just rambling on like nothing is wrong.

Now, this computer is old and has the same URL I've used for years. when I first get on DZ I'm on page 508, and I just click on the last page. the cache has never been cleared on this computer. my phone is new and I don't use it much for looking at this site, or DZ. he is not there. the same for my tablet. I don't use that much for surfing either. I haven't checked the other two computers in the kitchen yet. I'll fire them up and check, but my guess is I won't see him on those either.

Here is exactly what I see when I go to DZ.     http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Skydiving_History_%26_Trivia_F21/DB_Cooper_P3110098-508
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 20, 2014, 01:08:32 PM
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I'm just glad to see other forums have issues that come out of nowhere. I think Robert99 is right. the spam button is the cause of the problems. you don't know how these things will work until you try them.

I just seen your edit Georger. Jo's posts did disappear several weeks ago. Robert99 had the issue. it's possible the mod/program was not taking affect 100% at that time? just a guess though....

Shutter,
Where did you get the alternate URL that shows Blevins' posts?

URL (http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Skydiving_History_%26_Trivia_F21/DB_Cooper_P3110098-2199)

It's the one that pops up on my computer when I go to the site? when I check my tablet, he's not there. when I look on my phone, he's not there. this seems to be the only computer that can see his posts. this morning I looked on DZ, he made several new ones. he's just rambling on like nothing is wrong.

Now, this computer is old and has the same URL I've used for years. when I first get on DZ I'm on page 508, and I just click on the last page. the cache has never been cleared on this computer. my phone is new and I don't use it much for looking at this site, or DZ. he is not there. the same for my tablet. I don't use that much for surfing either. I haven't checked the other two computers in the kitchen yet. I'll fire them up and check, but my guess is I won't see him on those either.

Here is exactly what I see when I go to DZ.     http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Skydiving_History_%26_Trivia_F21/DB_Cooper_P3110098-508

Find someone who has never had an account at DZ and ask them to go to Dropzone and see if they see Blevins's posts.  The IT Dept I talked to yesterday is now seeing Blevins’ posts.

My "account" was finally taken down last night as per my original request and I can now see Blevins' posts without using Shutter's url.  (they had me on vacation status where I could still use my PM email and I could not see Blevins' posts. My account has now been closed and now I can see Blevins’ posts!)

Blevins of course is saying I was kicked off Dropzone.

As far as I am concerned, these people that run the Dropzone Cooper thread are nothing but a fringe element with zero credibility, just like the people they support: Weber, Blevins, and others. They must be trying to prove something to take such a stance. I can’t even begin to fathom what their objective is, if they have any objective. That thread is now a clear cut aberration  - the Liars and Trouble Makers Forum.  It doesn’t take much imagination now to see what that forum is, and what it isn’t! 

With policies like that Sanjero then writes me, quote: “You people at that forum are nothing but trouble” .  Sanjero’s statement indicates there is a major disconnect somewhere in the management of Dropzone.

The whole thing is an aberration and unfair. It is a complete distortion more like some religious websites and discussion groups where only a narrow group is allowed to practice _ without contamination from outside trouble makers like 'the un-programmed and unwashed'!

 

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 20, 2014, 02:36:56 PM
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I'm just glad to see other forums have issues that come out of nowhere. I think Robert99 is right. the spam button is the cause of the problems. you don't know how these things will work until you try them.

I just seen your edit Georger. Jo's posts did disappear several weeks ago. Robert99 had the issue. it's possible the mod/program was not taking affect 100% at that time? just a guess though....

Shutter,
Where did you get the alternate URL that shows Blevins' posts?

URL (http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Skydiving_History_%26_Trivia_F21/DB_Cooper_P3110098-2199)

It's the one that pops up on my computer when I go to the site? when I check my tablet, he's not there. when I look on my phone, he's not there. this seems to be the only computer that can see his posts. this morning I looked on DZ, he made several new ones. he's just rambling on like nothing is wrong.

Now, this computer is old and has the same URL I've used for years. when I first get on DZ I'm on page 508, and I just click on the last page. the cache has never been cleared on this computer. my phone is new and I don't use it much for looking at this site, or DZ. he is not there. the same for my tablet. I don't use that much for surfing either. I haven't checked the other two computers in the kitchen yet. I'll fire them up and check, but my guess is I won't see him on those either.

Here is exactly what I see when I go to DZ.     http://www.dropzone.com/forum/Skydiving_C1/Skydiving_History_%26_Trivia_F21/DB_Cooper_P3110098-508

Find someone who has never had an account at DZ and ask them to go to Dropzone and see if they see Blevins's posts.  The IT Dept I talked to yesterday is now seeing Blevins’ posts.

My "account" was finally taken down last night as per my original request and I can now see Blevins' posts without using Shutter's url.  (they had me on vacation status where I could still use my PM email and I could not see Blevins' posts. My account has now been closed and now I can see Blevins’ posts!)

Blevins of course is saying I was kicked off Dropzone.

As far as I am concerned, these people that run the Dropzone Cooper thread are nothing but a fringe element with zero credibility, just like the people they support: Weber, Blevins, and others. They must be trying to prove something to take such a stance. I can’t even begin to fathom what their objective is, if they have any objective. That thread is now a clear cut aberration  - the Liars and Trouble Makers Forum.  It doesn’t take much imagination now to see what that forum is, and what it isn’t! 

With policies like that Sanjero then writes me, quote: “You people at that forum are nothing but trouble” .  Sanjero’s statement indicates there is a major disconnect somewhere in the management of Dropzone.

The whole thing is an aberration and unfair. It is a complete distortion more like some religious websites and discussion groups where only a narrow group is allowed to practice _ without contamination from outside trouble makers like 'the un-programmed and unwashed'!

Im going to add this for whatever it's worth, at the risk of talking this to death!

One of the reasons I left Dropzone is I believe it is hopeless there, and 'there is just so much an individual can do or should be expected to do', when faced with overwhelming negatives in any situation. Dropzone has represented overwhelming negatives, in my mind, for years, without any trace of hope for real improvement. The DZ Cooper thread is nothing more than a 'support group' for a very narrow group of zealots pushing their agendas. You are never going to have an open and fair discussion of anything in that kind of environment replete with personal attacks and people stalking other members, literally! That is the 'stalking' that Jeanne Cameron (Amazon) is referring to. It's an absurd situation on it's face! Then when the very management of the website chooses to ignore or even promoted such activities conducted by a few forum members, the whole premise of the discussion thread is undermined.

It goes back to what SA Carr said, when he said he was surprised at 'how seriously some people take all of this' _ as if it was their life's mission to conquer and control using the DB Cooper case as the vehicle. Such people need to get a life!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 20, 2014, 05:50:36 PM
I believe a large majority of viewers are in house. the DZ is big, no question. I don't think a large portion of views follow it from the outside looking in. some post there because of the numbers. Guru has been stopping in, but hasn't posted yet. I'm hoping he will join in once things pick up again.

I just listened to the Larry Carr interview again. the flight path, and the money find in my opinion are obviously two things connected, but figuring the two out is the hard part. the path appears to be flyable, but in the same sense I can fly straight down from Toledo and have interesting times as well. what I really need is a co-pilot. the simulator has the ability to have another person monitoring the flight. they can also change the weather, and wind direction. I want to document a flight with all the numbers along with it. it's not as easy as you think trying to do it all alone.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on August 20, 2014, 07:00:17 PM
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I believe a large majority of viewers are in house. the DZ is big, no question. I don't think a large portion of views follow it from the outside looking in. some post there because of the numbers. Guru has been stopping in, but hasn't posted yet. I'm hoping he will join in once things pick up again.

I just listened to the Larry Carr interview again. the flight path, and the money find in my opinion are obviously two things connected, but figuring the two out is the hard part. the path appears to be flyable, but in the same sense I can fly straight down from Toledo and have interesting times as well. what I really need is a co-pilot. the simulator has the ability to have another person monitoring the flight. they can also change the weather, and wind direction. I want to document a flight with all the numbers along with it. it's not as easy as you think trying to do it all alone.

I probably wouldn't be a good choice for a co-pilot! ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 20, 2014, 07:30:11 PM
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I believe a large majority of viewers are in house. the DZ is big, no question. I don't think a large portion of views follow it from the outside looking in. some post there because of the numbers. Guru has been stopping in, but hasn't posted yet. I'm hoping he will join in once things pick up again.

I just listened to the Larry Carr interview again. the flight path, and the money find in my opinion are obviously two things connected, but figuring the two out is the hard part. the path appears to be flyable, but in the same sense I can fly straight down from Toledo and have interesting times as well. what I really need is a co-pilot. the simulator has the ability to have another person monitoring the flight. they can also change the weather, and wind direction. I want to document a flight with all the numbers along with it. it's not as easy as you think trying to do it all alone.

I probably wouldn't be a good choice for a co-pilot! ;D

If something happened to me, and you were the CP. God help us lol. actually this person will not be flying, only monitoring the gauges and weather.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Money being passed off -
Post by: georger on August 21, 2014, 12:46:15 AM
Blevins says, for the umpteenth time: The bottom line here, no matter your protests, is that basically NO ONE was looking for, or comparing bills from that list within six months after the hijacking. The FBI says so, in the statements by Larry Carr. After that time, the hijacker could have passed them off any number of ways. In fact, it would not be difficult at all. A bill search only works when someone is still searching...

His pitch to R99 is ?  That the money could have been passed off after six months without detection. So? What does that prove or point to? Does it prove it happened that way? No. Does it point to some particular suspect? No. Does it prove the Tina Bar money was planted? No. Does it prove the Tina Bar money was a separate group of bundles? No. Does it prove Cooper had three bundles in his pocket, the same three bundles Blevins insists were offered to Mucklow, then wind up at Tina Bar, as a plant? No. What does Blevins' often repeated diatribe prove? I dunnoh. Does it prove Blevins is correct and R99 is a protesting nitwit and wrong? No. Does it prove Cooper survived or died? Neither.

What connection would make Blevins' often repeated lecture on 'bill searches' have wheels?

 
   

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Robert99 on August 21, 2014, 01:17:39 AM
Blevins also seems to be under the impression that the FBI getting a John Doe warrant five years after the hijacking spooked Cooper into planting the money at Tina Bar so as lead the FBI to believe that he died in the jump.  If Cooper could have easily passed the money after six months, why was he still holding onto some of it five years later?  And who could have guessed that the money would have been dug up at Tina Bar three years after it was buried?  It's just questions and more questions.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 21, 2014, 01:48:08 AM
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Blevins also seems to be under the impression that the FBI getting a John Doe warrant five years after the hijacking spooked Cooper into planting the money at Tina Bar so as lead the FBI to believe that he died in the jump.  If Cooper could have easily passed the money after six months, why was he still holding onto some of it five years later?  And who could have guessed that the money would have been dug up at Tina Bar three years after it was buried?  It's just questions and more questions.

Weber engages in a similar exercise _ an exercise without any real connection to anything that proves nothing, not to mention the claims both are making may be wrong or even fabricated!

Weber claims the moment 'the money find was published in a newspaper' (which newspaper?) Duane, "grew a beard to conceal his identity", "resigned from his job", and "left town for a long period"! Weber's claims could all be a fabricated_like everything else in her world it rests on her word alone. Just as Blevins claim(s) rest on his word and a few anecdotes, which prove nothing. It does make for a talking point one can recite 150 times over at the Dropzone.

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 21, 2014, 06:26:15 AM
What the FBI is saying some 40+ years later about the money is not what Cooper could of been thinking. If Cooper was still alive several months after the crime I doubt he would be trying to spend the money. he had no clue whether the banks were looking or not. he didn't have the information that has been given decades after the crime.

Not showing up to banquets, or union meeting is hardly a reason of guilt. keep in mind McCoy helped look for himself. I think it was smokin, and Vicki who brought up the point of Tina being on the over sea's flights that could of put her face to face with KC. Blevins thinks KC was hiding from people by not showing up to meetings, but continued to work with NWA? why wouldn't he quit a year later. nobody would of been suspicious. once again it doesn't click.

People like Blevins use the FBI to there advantage. since they don't speak about the case, or publicly state who is not under investigation leaves the door wide open to claim what ever they wish.

The average petty thief will steal something and go right to the pawn shop. If a well thought out burglary is done with something like an art gallery. the bad guy isn't going to move the paintings right off the bat. you don't do something this risky and turn around and go on a spending spree. I think if Cooper survived he would of sat on the cash for a while till the heat cooled down. I believe Cooper was still in the news 6 months later. that would tip him off the heat was still on.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Money being passed off -
Post by: MarkBennett on August 21, 2014, 09:49:28 AM
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Blevins says, for the umpteenth time: The bottom line here, no matter your protests, is that basically NO ONE was looking for, or comparing bills from that list within six months after the hijacking. The FBI says so, in the statements by Larry Carr. After that time, the hijacker could have passed them off any number of ways. In fact, it would not be difficult at all. A bill search only works when someone is still searching...

His pitch to R99 is ?  That the money could have been passed off after six months without detection. So? What does that prove or point to? Does it prove it happened that way? No. Does it point to some particular suspect? No. Does it prove the Tina Bar money was planted? No. Does it prove the Tina Bar money was a separate group of bundles? No. Does it prove Cooper had three bundles in his pocket, the same three bundles Blevins insists were offered to Mucklow, then wind up at Tina Bar, as a plant? No. What does Blevins' often repeated diatribe prove? I dunnoh. Does it prove Blevins is correct and R99 is a protesting nitwit and wrong? No. Does it prove Cooper survived or died? Neither.

What connection would make Blevins' often repeated lecture on 'bill searches' have wheels?

 
 

I think I understand what Blevins is trying to say.  Or even if it's not what he's trying to say, the conclusion is valid.

If someone starts with the supposition that the hijacker probably died in the jump because none of the money (other than the money at Tina Bar) ever turned up.  Robert is saying just because the money was never detected as it passed through a bank doesn't mean it didn't because it's so time consuming for a bank to check that it might have slipped through undetected.  In other words, no money turning up does not mean the hijacker did not survive with the money.  In fact, you can't draw a conclusion one way or another.

Of course, Blevins needs the hijacker to survive and that may be the reason for him discussing this point.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Money being passed off -
Post by: EVickiW on August 21, 2014, 01:00:05 PM
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Blevins says, for the umpteenth time: The bottom line here, no matter your protests, is that basically NO ONE was looking for, or comparing bills from that list within six months after the hijacking. The FBI says so, in the statements by Larry Carr. After that time, the hijacker could have passed them off any number of ways. In fact, it would not be difficult at all. A bill search only works when someone is still searching...

His pitch to R99 is ?  That the money could have been passed off after six months without detection. So? What does that prove or point to? Does it prove it happened that way? No. Does it point to some particular suspect? No. Does it prove the Tina Bar money was planted? No. Does it prove the Tina Bar money was a separate group of bundles? No. Does it prove Cooper had three bundles in his pocket, the same three bundles Blevins insists were offered to Mucklow, then wind up at Tina Bar, as a plant? No. What does Blevins' often repeated diatribe prove? I dunnoh. Does it prove Blevins is correct and R99 is a protesting nitwit and wrong? No. Does it prove Cooper survived or died? Neither.

What connection would make Blevins' often repeated lecture on 'bill searches' have wheels?

 
 


Looking for that article that quotes Tina saying she flew over seas to Japan after the hi-jacking, and using my super-duper investigation skills  ;)( a few keywords in Google), I found the following court case between NWA and the Insurance company.

Northwest Airlines, Inc. v. Globe Indem. Co.
225 N.W.2d 831 (1975)

NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC., Respondent, v. GLOBE INDEMNITY COMPANY, Appellant.

http://law.justia.com/...rt/1975/44904-1.html
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Money being passed off -
Post by: georger on August 21, 2014, 01:07:52 PM
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Blevins says, for the umpteenth time: The bottom line here, no matter your protests, is that basically NO ONE was looking for, or comparing bills from that list within six months after the hijacking. The FBI says so, in the statements by Larry Carr. After that time, the hijacker could have passed them off any number of ways. In fact, it would not be difficult at all. A bill search only works when someone is still searching...

His pitch to R99 is ?  That the money could have been passed off after six months without detection. So? What does that prove or point to? Does it prove it happened that way? No. Does it point to some particular suspect? No. Does it prove the Tina Bar money was planted? No. Does it prove the Tina Bar money was a separate group of bundles? No. Does it prove Cooper had three bundles in his pocket, the same three bundles Blevins insists were offered to Mucklow, then wind up at Tina Bar, as a plant? No. What does Blevins' often repeated diatribe prove? I dunnoh. Does it prove Blevins is correct and R99 is a protesting nitwit and wrong? No. Does it prove Cooper survived or died? Neither.

What connection would make Blevins' often repeated lecture on 'bill searches' have wheels?

 
 

I think I understand what Blevins is trying to say.  Or even if it's not what he's trying to say, the conclusion is valid.

If someone starts with the supposition that the hijacker probably died in the jump because none of the money (other than the money at Tina Bar) ever turned up.  Robert is saying just because the money was never detected as it passed through a bank doesn't mean it didn't because it's so time consuming for a bank to check that it might have slipped through undetected.  In other words, no money turning up does not mean the hijacker did not survive with the money.  In fact, you can't draw a conclusion one way or another.

Of course, Blevins needs the hijacker to survive and that may be the reason for him discussing this point.

In fact, you can't draw a conclusion one way or another. I don't see this as any great revelation. It merely defines a few options.

To me it's a little like asking: which came first? WWII or the Green Bean Casserole? Answer: depends on your perspective!  :)  Not a whole lot is gained by such exercises, unless you are doing number theory and interested in the Field's Medal!  :) 

Moreover, as usual Blevins’ straw man is leaving out or distorting a few facts. Like his reliance on 'tellers doing physical searches' is one example.  In larger banks the process was automated! Tellers did not stand there for 40 days and nights shuffling through bills looking! Guys like EF Linquist had already invented the reading-scoring machines, which read pencil marks and sequential printed  numbers on things like paper money! Guess where a lot of those early reading machines were tried out and perfected: at casinos reading the serial numbers on boxes of paper bills.

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Post by: EVickiW on August 21, 2014, 01:27:55 PM
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What the FBI is saying some 40+ years later about the money is not what Cooper could of been thinking. If Cooper was still alive several months after the crime I doubt he would be trying to spend the money. he had no clue weather the banks were looking or not. he didn't have the information that has been given decades after the crime.

Not showing up to banquets, or union meeting is hardly a reason of guilt. keep in mind McCoy helped look for himself. I think it was smokin, and Vicki who brought up the point of Tina being on the over sea's flights that could of put her face to face with KC. Blevins thinks KC was hiding from people by not showing up to meetings, but continued to work with NWA? why wouldn't he quit a year later. nobody would of been suspicious. once again it doesn't click.

People like Blevins use the FBI to there advantage. since they don't speak about the case, or publicly state who is not under investigation leaves the door wide open to claim what ever they wish.

The average petty thief will steal something and go right to the pawn shop. If a well thought out burglary is done with something like an art gallery. the bad guy isn't going to move the paintings right off the bat. you don't do something this risky and turn around and go on a spending spree. I think if Cooper survived he would of sat on the cash for a while till the heat cooled down. I believe Cooper was still in the news 6 months later. that would tip him off the heat was still on.

Here is the article with Tina Larson (Mucklow). http://www.paulneevel.com/hp_archive/120815tinalarson.html
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Post by: georger on August 21, 2014, 01:35:59 PM
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What the FBI is saying some 40+ years later about the money is not what Cooper could of been thinking. If Cooper was still alive several months after the crime I doubt he would be trying to spend the money. he had no clue weather the banks were looking or not. he didn't have the information that has been given decades after the crime.

Not showing up to banquets, or union meeting is hardly a reason of guilt. keep in mind McCoy helped look for himself. I think it was smokin, and Vicki who brought up the point of Tina being on the over sea's flights that could of put her face to face with KC. Blevins thinks KC was hiding from people by not showing up to meetings, but continued to work with NWA? why wouldn't he quit a year later. nobody would of been suspicious. once again it doesn't click.

People like Blevins use the FBI to there advantage. since they don't speak about the case, or publicly state who is not under investigation leaves the door wide open to claim what ever they wish.

The average petty thief will steal something and go right to the pawn shop. If a well thought out burglary is done with something like an art gallery. the bad guy isn't going to move the paintings right off the bat. you don't do something this risky and turn around and go on a spending spree. I think if Cooper survived he would of sat on the cash for a while till the heat cooled down. I believe Cooper was still in the news 6 months later. that would tip him off the heat was still on.

Here is the article with Tina Larson (Mucklow). http://www.paulneevel.com/hp_archive/120815tinalarson.html

Some people have issues even before a single stressful event.   

My guess is: don't believe everything you read written by the nutters on Dropzone etc! The real story is likely to be quite different.

BTW: where are you getting that Carr ever said (or meant) that the cash to pay Cooper's ransom came from cash stored at FBI offices!? I dont recall Carr ever saying that in fact he laid out the Sea First scenario many times ???
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Post by: Robert99 on August 21, 2014, 02:52:55 PM
I have never seen anything either about the money being stored at the FBI's office and I doubt if they would even want to do that.  But there have been a number of writers claiming that the Seattle bank had a special stack of bills on hand for just such an event.  Presumably, this would include bills of various denominations and they had reportedly already been counted and their serial numbers recorded.  That would simplify getting the ransom together in a hurry and perhaps lead the hijacker to believe that the numbers were not recorded.
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Post by: georger on August 21, 2014, 03:05:53 PM
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I have never seen anything either about the money being stored at the FBI's office and I doubt if they would even want to do that.  But there have been a number of writers claiming that the Seattle bank had a special stack of bills on hand for just such an event.  Presumably, this would include bills of various denominations and they had reportedly already been counted and their serial numbers recorded.  That would simplify getting the ransom together in a hurry and perhaps lead the hijacker to believe that the numbers were not recorded.

The money came from the bank. Period. We have the names of bank employees who were involved. Larry called a few of these people still living to clarify type of bag used, methods of securing the bundles, contents of bundles, the issue of recording, etc etc etc. and Larry reported on this at DZ. The only issue that developed (later) was a question whether the bundles had been secured with paper straps vs rubber bands - obviously the Ingram bundles evidenced rubber bands. That issue was clarified quickly by calling a bank employee who was present, in favor of rubber bands (not paper straps). Again, all of this is reported in the DZ thread.

Moreover, the issue of the Tina Bar money find has been vastly over-worked, imo. The primary unimpeachable facts are: the money was found on a shoreline of the Columbia River, far down the sandbar in a rather inconspicuous location, very close if not wedged up against trees and bushes which would normally trap objects flowing by, some
short distance off to the downstream side of a pile of dredging debris (deposited in 1974), and the length of time the bundles of bills had been there is unknown partly due to the lack of tests which might shed light on that question, all of this commensurate with the direction of flow of the river. All of this is downstream of any known flight path as it crossed the Columbia River. The exact place where Cooper bailed with his money is at issue.

Have I omitted something which is important and known fact? Have I said something which is wildly wrong?
   
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Post by: Shutter on August 21, 2014, 04:02:59 PM
Who said the money was stored at the FBI???
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Post by: EVickiW on August 21, 2014, 04:05:55 PM
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Who said the money was stored at the FBI???

Bruce Smith...On DZ. He has stated this before. I always heard it was sorted and delivered from the bank.
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Post by: Shutter on August 21, 2014, 04:12:56 PM
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Who said the money was stored at the FBI???

Bruce Smith...On DZ. He has stated this before. I always heard it was sorted and delivered from the bank.

Several websites claim several banks as well. not just one???
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Who said the money was stored at the FBI???

Bruce Smith...On DZ. He has stated this before. I always heard it was sorted and delivered from the bank.

Several websites claim several banks as well. not just one???

I would take the information in the Justia legal paperwork over all of the websites.

http://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/supreme-court/1975/44904-1.html

From the link - QUOTE FROM Minnesota Supreme Court:

Plaintiff's Seattle ground personnel were notified of the hijacking and, further, received *833 home office authorization to procure the money and parachutes demanded by Cooper. In order to obtain the $200,000 in cash, arrangements were made with Seattle First National Bank, through its airport branch. The money was taken from the vault of the bank's downtown facility, and transported to the airport by bank personnel and the Seattle police. The release of cash funds after normal banking hours resulted in a debit to plaintiff's account which was repaid by a transfer credit on the next banking day.
Mr. William C. Grinnell, an officer of Seattle First National Bank, arrived at the Seattle airport at approximately 5 p. m. with the money. He first proceeded to the airport branch of the bank to pick up the branch manager, who then accompanied Mr. Grinnell to plaintiff's air freight terminal, a "premises" of plaintiff insured within the meaning of the subject insurance policy. An authorized official of plaintiff gave a receipt for the $200,000 while it was inside the terminal. Mr. Grinnell transferred possession of the $200,000 to Captain Elwood M. Lee, a Northwest official designated to transport the money to the hijacked airplane, which had landed at the Seattle airport and was parked at the end of a runway. Captain Lee proceeded to the airplane in an automobile and delivered the money to Stewardess Tina Larson, who carried the money into the airplane and surrendered direct physical custody of it to the hijacker. Upon receipt thereof, Cooper allowed the passengers to leave the airplane. Stewardess Larson also delivered the parachutes and other items to Cooper, who was still in the rear cabin of the aircraft. At that time, he allowed two other stewardesses to leave the airplane. Cooper, Stewardess Larson, and the cockpit crew of three men remained on board.
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Post by: Robert99 on August 21, 2014, 07:29:53 PM
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I have never seen anything either about the money being stored at the FBI's office and I doubt if they would even want to do that.  But there have been a number of writers claiming that the Seattle bank had a special stack of bills on hand for just such an event.  Presumably, this would include bills of various denominations and they had reportedly already been counted and their serial numbers recorded.  That would simplify getting the ransom together in a hurry and perhaps lead the hijacker to believe that the numbers were not recorded.

The money came from the bank. Period. We have the names of bank employees who were involved. Larry called a few of these people still living to clarify type of bag used, methods of securing the bundles, contents of bundles, the issue of recording, etc etc etc. and Larry reported on this at DZ. The only issue that developed (later) was a question whether the bundles had been secured with paper straps vs rubber bands - obviously the Ingram bundles evidenced rubber bands. That issue was clarified quickly by calling a bank employee who was present, in favor of rubber bands (not paper straps). Again, all of this is reported in the DZ thread.

Moreover, the issue of the Tina Bar money find has been vastly over-worked, imo. The primary unimpeachable facts are: the money was found on a shoreline of the Columbia River, far down the sandbar in a rather inconspicuous location, very close if not wedged up against trees and bushes which would normally trap objects flowing by, some
short distance off to the downstream side of a pile of dredging debris (deposited in 1974), and the length of time the bundles of bills had been there is unknown partly due to the lack of tests which might shed light on that question, all of this commensurate with the direction of flow of the river. All of this is downstream of any known flight path as it crossed the Columbia River. The exact place where Cooper bailed with his money is at issue.

Have I omitted something which is important and known fact? Have I said something which is wildly wrong?
   

I think you have stated accurately everything that can be said about the money at this time.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 21, 2014, 07:38:31 PM
Yup, my bad.  The money was not stored in any FBI office.

But, it is my understanding that the FBI had stockpiled sums in banks around the country for ready access in case of hostage situations during times when the banks would be closed.

I thought the money was already stacked and packed at the SeaFirst bank when the call came in, and they transported it to Sea-Tac. I'll check my records for more details.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 21, 2014, 07:41:11 PM
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I have never seen anything either about the money being stored at the FBI's office and I doubt if they would even want to do that.  But there have been a number of writers claiming that the Seattle bank had a special stack of bills on hand for just such an event.  Presumably, this would include bills of various denominations and they had reportedly already been counted and their serial numbers recorded.  That would simplify getting the ransom together in a hurry and perhaps lead the hijacker to believe that the numbers were not recorded.

The money came from the bank. Period. We have the names of bank employees who were involved. Larry called a few of these people still living to clarify type of bag used, methods of securing the bundles, contents of bundles, the issue of recording, etc etc etc. and Larry reported on this at DZ. The only issue that developed (later) was a question whether the bundles had been secured with paper straps vs rubber bands - obviously the Ingram bundles evidenced rubber bands. That issue was clarified quickly by calling a bank employee who was present, in favor of rubber bands (not paper straps). Again, all of this is reported in the DZ thread.

Moreover, the issue of the Tina Bar money find has been vastly over-worked, imo. The primary unimpeachable facts are: the money was found on a shoreline of the Columbia River, far down the sandbar in a rather inconspicuous location, very close if not wedged up against trees and bushes which would normally trap objects flowing by, some
short distance off to the downstream side of a pile of dredging debris (deposited in 1974), and the length of time the bundles of bills had been there is unknown partly due to the lack of tests which might shed light on that question, all of this commensurate with the direction of flow of the river. All of this is downstream of any known flight path as it crossed the Columbia River. The exact place where Cooper bailed with his money is at issue.

Have I omitted something which is important and known fact? Have I said something which is wildly wrong?
   


Georger, I don't believe the notion that the money was found in a location near or wedged against trees or flotsam is correct. Pix show an open beach, and neither Brian I, Dorwin, Al F or Richard F ever said anything to indicate other.
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Post by: Shutter on August 21, 2014, 08:02:55 PM
These two photo's show a tree very close to where they are digging.
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Post by: Shutter on August 21, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
And another showing them digging by the tree line....
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 21, 2014, 09:47:54 PM
Damn pix.

Looks like I was wrong twice today, and it's not even din-din time.  Whew.

I hope this doesn't mean I have to apologize to Georger, or something like that....
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Post by: georger on August 21, 2014, 11:34:16 PM
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These two photo's show a tree very close to where they are digging.

Let me dig and post some dated photos and map (gps) locations for the find site -  of course the location is not confirmed by me but by Tom Kaye and others. Ive never been there. Give me some time. If people recall, we (Sluggo, myself, etal) struggled for some time early in the DZ thread to try and determine the exact location of the Ingram find. The FBI had no gps coordinates and the circles on the FBI photos was vague. Finally when Tom visited the site with Larry and Ingram, they got a better fix on the original location. Tom's posts about this are on DZ.
   
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Post by: georger on August 21, 2014, 11:42:45 PM
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Damn pix.

Looks like I was wrong twice today, and it's not even din-din time.  Whew.

I hope this doesn't mean I have to apologize to Georger, or something like that....

This will all become clear when you see the photos of the gps coordinates. Until several years ago there was a large stump of a previous tree very close by. The point I am making is the location looks like a 'catch point' where debris
might collect, due to obstructions preventing unobstructed flow. In addition the location is very close to the tide line at the time the find was made, according to the Al Fazio. Let me put some files together - but this will take some time because it is the start of the school year and things are extremely busy here right now. 
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on August 21, 2014, 11:57:56 PM
So does a "catch point" change the notion that these bundles could not have arrived independent of each other? Maybe?
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Post by: georger on August 22, 2014, 02:15:28 AM
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So does a "catch point" change the notion that these bundles could not have arrived independent of each other? Maybe?

No - they arrived in unison, together.
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Post by: georger on August 22, 2014, 02:29:39 AM
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Damn pix.

Looks like I was wrong twice today, and it's not even din-din time.  Whew.

I hope this doesn't mean I have to apologize to Georger, or something like that....

OK. Here is shortcut to the location using Tom's photos from his citizen slueth website. I will attach one more photo of Tom's for further clarification. The pins marked Tom's gps location. Note on the last photo the shrubs-trees are missing because the money location is overlayed on a 2010 map Google. 

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Post by: georger on August 22, 2014, 02:40:37 AM
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Damn pix.

Looks like I was wrong twice today, and it's not even din-din time.  Whew.

I hope this doesn't mean I have to apologize to Georger, or something like that....

Could not attach this one to the last for some reason so will try and post it on its own --- this is a 2010 Google photo so most of the 1980 schrubs and trees are now gone.
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Post by: Shutter on August 22, 2014, 07:22:32 AM
I think if we are to continue this discussion we should move over the the proper thread. we are on the off topic thread talking about Cooper heavily.  8)
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Post by: georger on August 22, 2014, 12:57:31 PM
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I think if we are to continue this discussion we should move over the the proper thread. we are on the off topic thread talking about Cooper heavily.  8)

agree... I can more the photos over.
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Post by: georger on August 22, 2014, 02:19:17 PM
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I think if we are to continue this discussion we should move over the the proper thread. we are on the off topic thread talking about Cooper heavily.  8)

Im moving this over to the money thread -
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Post by: Shutter on August 23, 2014, 06:13:23 PM
I can't believe the lack of control on DZ. now we have the kid wanting to kill himself. when will they realize that kid doesn't belong on a forum with adults!!!

"I think you left dropzone because you don't like me anymore why didn't you tell me you were leaving because of this I'm gonna jump off the Tacoma narrows bridge "
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Post by: georger on August 23, 2014, 07:10:05 PM
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I can't believe the lack of control on DZ. now we have the kid wanting to kill himself. when will they realize that kid doesn't belong on a forum with adults!!!

"I think you left dropzone because you don't like me anymore why didn't you tell me you were leaving because of this I'm gonna jump off the Tacoma narrows bridge "

It could be all for affect. A lot of people RMB knows the person or is the person. The coincidence is just too great
and RMB and those around him would be fully capable of a stunt like this - that the history.
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Post by: Shutter on August 23, 2014, 08:31:16 PM
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I can't believe the lack of control on DZ. now we have the kid wanting to kill himself. when will they realize that kid doesn't belong on a forum with adults!!!

"I think you left dropzone because you don't like me anymore why didn't you tell me you were leaving because of this I'm gonna jump off the Tacoma narrows bridge "

It could be all for affect. A lot of people RMB knows the person or is the person. The coincidence is just too great
and RMB and those around him would be fully capable of a stunt like this - that the history.

Regardless of someone acting like a kid. the fact remains he doesn't belong there. If a minor popped on here, he would be removed unless he was a family member of a suspect, or something like that. his track record is disturbing.
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Post by: georger on August 24, 2014, 12:11:27 AM
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I can't believe the lack of control on DZ. now we have the kid wanting to kill himself. when will they realize that kid doesn't belong on a forum with adults!!!

"I think you left dropzone because you don't like me anymore why didn't you tell me you were leaving because of this I'm gonna jump off the Tacoma narrows bridge "

It could be all for affect. A lot of people RMB knows the person or is the person. The coincidence is just too great
and RMB and those around him would be fully capable of a stunt like this - that the history.

Regardless of someone acting like a kid. the fact remains he doesn't belong there. If a minor popped on here, he would be removed unless he was a family member of a suspect, or something like that. his track record is disturbing.

Anyone can call the FBI, LE in the area, school authorities, DHS, etc .... I guarantee action! That Sanjero and Quade are doing nothing about this is ridiculous, unless of course they know something the rest of the world doesn't?

Bruce calling CPS is not the direct route to investigating and stopping this either. In most places these days this kind of things would get INSTANT attention IF  you contact the right people that is! Come on people. Get with the program?

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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 24, 2014, 01:51:14 AM
I first alerted Georgia CPS on August 9. Now, I'm stepping it up.  Will GA Child Protective Services do anything?  Yes and no. They haven't responded to me - no follow-up phone calls, emails acknowledgements to the material I sent them, etc.

Tomorrow, Sunday, I call the family.  Then the school, etc, until I am satisfied that the kid, if he actually exists and is actually posting on the DZ, is okay.

Remember, this all could be a ruse by you know who.
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Post by: Shutter on August 24, 2014, 01:58:10 AM
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I first alerted Georgia CPS on August 9. Now, I'm stepping it up.  Will GA Child Protective Services do anything?  Yes and no. They haven't responded to me - no follow-up phone calls, emails acknowledgements to the material I sent them, etc.

Tomorrow, Sunday, I call the family.  Then the school, etc, until I am satisfied that the kid, if he actually exists and is actually posting on the DZ, is okay.

Remember, this all could be a ruse by you know who.


well, if it is, he needs to be removed. I think the kid is legit. I also believe he is showing signs of stalking. fake account, real kid, either way he doesn't belong on a forum with adults only. it's a little disturbing how attached he is to Blevy. I have a low percentage saying it's a fake account. you never know though.
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Post by: georger on August 24, 2014, 02:20:59 AM
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I first alerted Georgia CPS on August 9. Now, I'm stepping it up.  Will GA Child Protective Services do anything?  Yes and no. They haven't responded to me - no follow-up phone calls, emails acknowledgements to the material I sent them, etc.

Tomorrow, Sunday, I call the family.  Then the school, etc, until I am satisfied that the kid, if he actually exists and is actually posting on the DZ, is okay.

Remember, this all could be a ruse by you know who.

why the middle steps? You should be contacting law enforcement if you think this person is a danger to himself or others. Simple as that. The kid does not appear stable, has made death threats, now threatens suicide (as a joke?), and he shows all the symptoms of being attached to a enabling troll who feeds him but does nothing really about the the kid's welfare or his making threats against others and himself, RobertMBlevins.

If something were to happen, school shooting or whatever, the weeks wasted on Dropzone would make the top ten list of why some sites need to be shut down.

The important fact is: it's not up to us to mid meld, debate, or guess. The threats are prima facia reason to report it - period. Let others whose job and responsibility it is to manage such situations do the guess work! 

It's been reported. If nothing happens in a day it will be shoved higher up.

I want to stress this: It is not our responsibility to decide or guess about this. It is people's responsibility to report it.

All Blevins is thinking about is, quote: "f you are banned now, you have no one to blame but yourself." referring to Bruce!

It's a wonderful world.
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Post by: Shutter on August 24, 2014, 09:40:37 AM
                                                                                DROPZONE.COM A SLEEP AT THE WHEEL?


I was close to posting on DZ, but Bruce mentioned that Blevins had already given most of the information he was trying to imply Bruce was stating. It's amazing how Robert works sometimes. he always fails to see that he does the very things he blames others for. the kid doesn't belong there, period. look at the trouble it's causing, and danger if the kid is legit.
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Post by: Shutter on August 24, 2014, 11:50:30 AM
Ok, perhaps something is wrong here. I just looked at Andy's You Tube, and Twitter accounts. there is absolutely nothing about Blevins, KC, or Cooper related material anywhere on his media sites. hopefully Bruce, or someone can try and notify his parents for any kind of confirmation to him knowing anything about Dropzone.com, or Robert Blevins.
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Post by: georger on August 24, 2014, 01:50:24 PM
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Ok, perhaps something is wrong here. I just looked at Andy's You Tube, and Twitter accounts. there is absolutely nothing about Blevins, KC, or Cooper related material anywhere on his media sites. hopefully Bruce, or someone can try and notify his parents for any kind of confirmation to him knowing anything about Dropzone.com, or Robert Blevins.

Who's running DZ? Anyone? Apparently not.

Since Blevins is at the center of this, have law enforcement contact Blevins to find out WTF is going on? Maybe the whole thing is a Blevins concoction. Maybe someone else at DZ concocted this? Maybe Amazon concocted this?

 



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Post by: Shutter on August 24, 2014, 02:01:04 PM
I'm pretty sure it's Andy. I just find it strange that no history is behind him about Cooper, or anything else. he seems pretty attached to Robert, so you would think he would have other connections to Robert on his media sites. who knows?
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Post by: georger on August 24, 2014, 02:24:12 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's Andy. I just find it strange that no history is behind him about Cooper, or anything else. he seems pretty attached to Robert, so you would think he would have other connections to Robert on his media sites. who knows?

A contact at CNN in Atlanta advises simply: CALL THE POLICE!

The phone number for the Atlanta PD is: 404-614-6544

And let them handle this.

The individual making death and suicide threats on DZ is one: Andrew Patrick Poppens, aka Danniel1010 perhaps related to a  "Poppens" family north of Atlanta who may have previously lived at Sumner WA, who may have some relationship to a writer named Robert M Blevins of Auburn, WA.
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Post by: Shutter on August 24, 2014, 02:29:06 PM
I'm not getting involved with it. it's not a problem here, it's a problem with DROPZONE.COM. I'm sure Bruce is doing something whether it be the police, or other avenues.
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Post by: georger on August 24, 2014, 04:45:56 PM
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I'm not getting involved with it. it's not a problem here, it's a problem with DROPZONE.COM. I'm sure Bruce is doing something whether it be the police, or other avenues.

Willem Grobler, also known as Sangiro, the CEO of D4DR Media, originally founded Dropzone.com in 1994.
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Post by: georger on August 24, 2014, 04:58:42 PM
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I'm not getting involved with it. it's not a problem here, it's a problem with DROPZONE.COM. I'm sure Bruce is doing something whether it be the police, or other avenues.

A contact in an Atlanta office just informed me that authorities in Atlanta are aware of the situation, and the threats made at Dropzone.com, and are looking into it.  Independent of RobertMBlevins or Bruce Smith)
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 24, 2014, 05:55:43 PM
Yes, the Andy-Blevs flap is DZ business, but let me address some of the salient points in motion since it involves many of us:

1. No one is talking - I have not heard a word from Andy's mother, family or Andy himself. Nor has Blevs explained anything, such as how he got the phone number of Andy's family, or the kid's personal email address, or that he has a relationship with the family and Andy.

2. I called GA CPS yesterday and followed up with a detailed email today, Sunday. In particular, I noted that Blev's relationship with Andy seems to be at the heart of the suicide threat.

3. Andy's actual suicide threat has been scrubbed from the DZ. The only trace of it is in my responses (and Blev's) to him.

4. I am very happy that others are concerned and making outreaches to GA officials. It sounds like they may be picking up the ball, as my initial views of the GA system were not too favorable. CPS doesn't even have phones that work properly.
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Post by: Shutter on August 24, 2014, 06:02:24 PM
I don't mind it being reported here. I'm simply addressing that this forum has nothing to do with Andy, or anything involved in part. I was also pointing out that I personally was not getting involved with this problem.


I can still see the post made by Andy?
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 24, 2014, 10:48:48 PM
Yikes, Shutter, you have an uncanny ability to penetrate through the dimensions. You may not see dead people, but at least you see suicidal ones.  Whew.

I'm gonna stay on the story for a couple of reasons - one is that Blevs has got me really pised off at him, and secondly, this episode is the most egregious example of crazy and destructive behavior in the Cooper Vortex. It's one thing to run around saying "MY GUY IS DB COOPER," but it is another thing entirely to magnetize and take advantage of a kid who wants to be part of the show.

There is good news. Apparently Auburn PD has called Blevs. That means CPS and GA LE are on the job. I got an email from GA CPS stating that I should receive a phone call from an intake worker this evening.

Tomorrow, I will be calling the school and Auburn PD to see what is going on. Apparently Andy's mother does not want to talk with me, which only adds fuel to the fire. She is clearly not in control of this situation, whether her son is crazy and suicidal, or Blevs is using Andy's identity for his own nefarious purposes.

I just got the phone call from GA CPS confirming that they are on the case.
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Post by: Shutter on August 24, 2014, 10:58:21 PM
I finally posted on DZ and expressed my thoughts about the whole thing. the bottom line is a kid doesn't belong on a forum with adults. none of this would be happening if proper monitoring was available. it doesn't matter if the kid didn't mean anything. it should have never got as far as it did. I would never allow something like that to happen on here. I'm still a little set back as to what the administration is doing about this. you have multiple police agencies involved in something that has nothing to do with DB Cooper, and yet people are tossing blame around as usual?
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Post by: georger on August 24, 2014, 11:23:52 PM
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Yikes, Shutter, you have an uncanny ability to penetrate through the dimensions. You may not see dead people, but at least you see suicidal ones.  Whew.

I'm gonna stay on the story for a couple of reasons - one is that Blevs has got me really pised off at him, and secondly, this episode is the most egregious example of crazy and destructive behavior in the Cooper Vortex. It's one thing to run around saying "MY GUY IS DB COOPER," but it is another thing entirely to magnetize and take advantage of a kid who wants to be part of the show.

There is good news. Apparently Auburn PD has called Blevs. That means CPS and GA LE are on the job. I got an email from GA CPS stating that I should receive a phone call from an intake worker this evening.

Tomorrow, I will be calling the school and Auburn PD to see what is going on. Apparently Andy's mother does not want to talk with me, which only adds fuel to the fire. She is clearly not in control of this situation, whether her son is crazy and suicidal, or Blevs is using Andy's identity for his own nefarious purposes.

I just got the phone call from GA CPS confirming that they are on the case.

All of that should take care of the problem. Too bad we have to run the DZ Cooper thread for them! You say they took down Danny's suicide threat? Without a word. Business as usual. It stinks! Quade should be put on a long vacation or banned!

This is the most ridiculous situation Ive ever witnessed on the internet! Mark me naive and stupid I guess.

What does taking down Danielle's suicide threat accomplish? Does it wipe the slate clean - make DZ look better uninvolved? The kid's other threats against Geestman are still on the forum last I checked. The lad always struck me as being a dependent personality with RMBlevins one of his objects of dependency based on what is unclear. It's the members and Moderator's responsibility to monitor and control such activity; that has been severely lacking at DZ.

Mr. Blevins now reports he has talked to the Auburn PD and the kid's mother, and all is fine with the kid, and have a good day!


                                    MODIFICATION MADE BY THE ADMINISTRATION AS FOLLOWS

Shutter here, I removed your post from the flight path since it has nothing to do with that topic. I'm posting it here in the proper area...

Georger's post from the flight path has been copy/pasted to here...



CNN has been contacted and copied all of the death and suicide threats at Dropzone.com. Cooper thread by Danielle1010. They were given a link to the Danielle discussion occurring at Dropzone.com tonight as I write.

CNN has been asked to contact law enforcement immediately and take action in this matter.

Sangiro and Paul Quade were given as contacts at Dropzone.com.

Maybe this will get the ball rolling?
 


 
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Post by: Shutter on August 25, 2014, 08:55:29 AM
I looked again and could see the post made by Andy? do I have different moral standards than others? who believes Andy should be allowed on a forum with adults? I'm curious because I don't see a lot of people saying anything. my mom would of killed me if she found out I was on a forum like that. my butt had to be in the house by 7:00 pm on weekdays, and 8:00 on weekends. we lived out in the country. we had one street with houses. I couldn't even stay out late at my friends house across the street!!

I fail to see any responsibility, or moderation on that forum. I would like to hear other opinions about what should have been done.

Shutter
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 25, 2014, 03:38:22 PM
I think your moral standards are in general alignment with most of us, Shut. Not to worry.

There are multiple problems of supervision in the Andy Poppens episode. Of course, the DZ moderators are blatantly irresponsible for tolerating Andy's presence on the forum, and their continuing decision to stick their heads in the sand.

However, there are much more serious issues that have arisen in this event. Andy is clearly not being supervised properly at home. Either he is being allowed to post on the Internet in a dangerous manner, or his mother is clueless to the on-folding efforts of an individual to steal her son's identity and post on the DZ in his name. Either way, she needs a wake-up call. Further, her resistance to talking with me or shedding any light on what is happening with her son is pouring fuel on the fires of irresponsibility.

You run a good show here, Shut, so don't worry. Besides, if you should veer towards trouble Georger will certainly let you know!!!
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 25, 2014, 06:05:04 PM
An Update on the welfare of Andy Poppens.

His mother called me this afternoon and assured me that Andy is okay and not suicidal. Here is the post I made at the DZ.  Basically, "All's well that end's well."

Update on Andy, Monday, 3 pm-ish PT

Danielle Poppens called me this afternoon, and we had a warm, substantive chat about her son and the DZ. In short, Andy is fine and not suicidal.

In addition, she thanked me for my concern, and the actions that I and others have taken regarding her son's welfare.

Other points of importance:

1. She was away with Andy for the weekend, apparently, and is only now learning about the whirlwind.

2. She has begun the process of sorting things out with CPS and Andy's school.

3. She has begun reading some of her son's posts on the DZ to see for herself what the fuss has been.

4. She told me that she does not think that Robert M Blevins has a relationship with her son outside of the DZ.

Ms. Poppens sounds like a solid, capable mom, and has a sense of humor. When we said our goodbyes, I concluded with "Let's Go Mets," and she replied - "No, Go Braves!"
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Post by: georger on August 25, 2014, 06:08:15 PM
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An Update on the welfare of Andy Poppens.

His mother called me this afternoon and assured me that Andy is okay and not suicidal. Here is the post I made at the DZ.  Basically, "All's well that end's well."

Update on Andy, Monday, 3 pm-ish PT

Danielle Poppens called me this afternoon, and we had a warm, substantive chat about her son and the DZ. In short, Andy is fine and not suicidal.

In addition, she thanked me for my concern, and the actions that I and others have taken regarding her son's welfare.

Other points of importance:

1. She was away with Andy for the weekend, apparently, and is only now learning about the whirlwind.

2. She has begun the process of sorting things out with CPS and Andy's school.

3. She has begun reading some of her son's posts on the DZ to see for herself what the fuss has been.

4. She told me that she does not think that Robert M Blevins has a relationship with her son outside of the DZ.

Ms. Poppens sounds like a solid, capable mom, and has a sense of humor. When we said our goodbyes, I concluded with "Let's Go Mets," and she replied - "No, Go Braves!"

Go Parsleys and Carrots!

Good job.
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Post by: georger on August 25, 2014, 06:14:10 PM
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I think your moral standards are in general alignment with most of us, Shut. Not to worry.

There are multiple problems of supervision in the Andy Poppens episode. Of course, the DZ moderators are blatantly irresponsible for tolerating Andy's presence on the forum, and their continuing decision to stick their heads in the sand.

However, there are much more serious issues that have arisen in this event. Andy is clearly not being supervised properly at home. Either he is being allowed to post on the Internet in a dangerous manner, or his mother is clueless to the on-folding efforts of an individual to steal her son's identity and post on the DZ in his name. Either way, she needs a wake-up call. Further, her resistance to talking with me or shedding any light on what is happening with her son is pouring fuel on the fires of irresponsibility.

You run a good show here, Shut, so don't worry. Besides, if you should veer towards trouble Georger will certainly let you know!!!

What moderators? Quade is long gone and was replaced by 'thin air'. THERE IS NO MODERATION until the next crisis, and its crisis after crisis. Quote Sanjero: "You guys over in that forum are a lot of trouble ...."

So?  Replace the forum with a photo of an eggplant?

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Post by: georger on August 25, 2014, 06:15:41 PM
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I looked again and could see the post made by Andy? do I have different moral standards than others? who believes Andy should be allowed on a forum with adults? I'm curious because I don't see a lot of people saying anything. my mom would of killed me if she found out I was on a forum like that. my butt had to be in the house by 7:00 pm on weekdays, and 8:00 on weekends. we lived out in the country. we had one street with houses. I couldn't even stay out late at my friends house across the street!!

I fail to see any responsibility, or moderation on that forum. I would like to hear other opinions about what should have been done.

Shutter

I agree with one except. I would admit Zetans ...IF  they prove they are related to Duane Weber.   ;)

Now, if we can only find Zeta!  So we know where to send the Auburn WA police next time! There will be a next time .... guar-own-teed.    :)   Good grief! Im beginning to sound like Amazon.  Should we let Amazon in!  :) :) :)

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Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2014, 02:06:21 AM
1:57 am here, just got home from work!! I was pretty sure Blevy wasn't attached to Andy. my concern was how much Andy was attaching himself to Blevy. I guess I shouldn't be shocked none of the jumpers came forward about the whole thing, but I guess maybe they didn't want to get involved either. the moderator's are a different story though, or as G put it. what moderator's?

I'm glad Bruce got a hold of mom. hopefully she will put some control on Andy. I realize the kid is doing what he does best, being a kid. does Blevy know Bruce talked with her? I know he was trying to paint a different picture.

I'm going to look over the recent posts and hit the hay.......it's been a long rainy night.

Shutter.....

P.S. Howdy Coop.... 8)


By the way....I invited 18c aboard. he replied asking for the link.
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Post by: 18C on August 26, 2014, 02:41:55 AM
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1:57 am here, just got home from work!! I was pretty sure Blevy wasn't attached to Andy. my concern was how much Andy was attaching himself to Blevy. I guess I shouldn't be shocked none of the jumpers came forward about the whole thing, but I guess maybe they didn't want to get involved either. the moderator's are a different story though, or as G put it. what moderator's?

I'm glad Bruce got a hold of mom. hopefully she will put some control on Andy. I realize the kid is doing what he does best, being a kid. does Blevy know Bruce talked with her? I know he was trying to paint a different picture.

I'm going to look over the recent posts and hit the hey.......it's been a long rainy night.

Shutter.....

P.S. Howdy Coop.... 8)


By the way....I invited 18c aboard. he replied asking for the link.

Just snuck in guys. I'm looking for a Dan Cooper? Anyone able to assist??
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Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2014, 02:46:13 AM
Ha Ha, he was last seen around the Columbia river, near Portland airport (PDX)  ;D
The question is whether he was alive at the time  :D ;D 8)

Welcome to the forum 18c.....

maybe I should change that. he was last seen around 7:40 ish in the area of McChord AFB on flight 305.....
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Post by: 18C on August 26, 2014, 02:53:36 AM
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Ha Ha, he was last seen around the Columbia river, near Portland airport (PDX)  ;D
The question is whether he was alive at the time  :D ;D 8)

Welcome to the forum 18c.....

Thank you. Great to be aboard. Nice looking forum and it loads quick too  :)
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Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2014, 02:57:43 AM
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Ha Ha, he was last seen around the Columbia river, near Portland airport (PDX)  ;D
The question is whether he was alive at the time  :D ;D 8)

Welcome to the forum 18c.....

Thank you. Great to be aboard. Nice looking forum and it loads quick too  :)


No problem Mate. were you able to find all the threads, or different topics on the home page? we also have a photo gallery that is work in progress at the moment, but has lots of good stuff there. we also have a nice video/website link on Cooper related stories.
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Post by: 18C on August 26, 2014, 03:01:24 AM
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Ha Ha, he was last seen around the Columbia river, near Portland airport (PDX)  ;D
The question is whether he was alive at the time  :D ;D 8)

Welcome to the forum 18c.....

Thank you. Great to be aboard. Nice looking forum and it loads quick too  :)


No problem Mate. were you able to find all the threads, or different topics on the home page? we also have a photo gallery that is work in progress at the moment, but has lots of good stuff there. we also have a nice video/website link on Cooper related stories.

Yeah, I've had a quick tour around. Will need to do some reading now before I barge in and asked a question that was answered only yesterday - or worse still today  8)
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Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2014, 03:08:43 AM
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Ha Ha, he was last seen around the Columbia river, near Portland airport (PDX)  ;D
The question is whether he was alive at the time  :D ;D 8)

Welcome to the forum 18c.....

Thank you. Great to be aboard. Nice looking forum and it loads quick too  :)


No problem Mate. were you able to find all the threads, or different topics on the home page? we also have a photo gallery that is work in progress at the moment, but has lots of good stuff there. we also have a nice video/website link on Cooper related stories.

Yeah, I've had a quick tour around. Will need to do some reading now before I barge in and asked a question that was answered only yesterday - or worse still today  8)

No problem. don't worry about questions, just ask them here. you will find a different environment here. people get along very well here. there might be some disagreements, but nothing like the other site.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 26, 2014, 03:19:18 AM
Welcome Eighteen. Don't worry about asking questions. I'm always ready to impress myself with what I know, and if I happened to make a mistake or two, as happened a couple of days ago, Georger is ALWAYS ready to show me the error of my ways.

So far, he doesn't insist on any actual apologies, so I keep showing up here.
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Post by: 18C on August 26, 2014, 03:20:40 AM
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Ha Ha, he was last seen around the Columbia river, near Portland airport (PDX)  ;D
The question is whether he was alive at the time  :D ;D 8)

Welcome to the forum 18c.....

Thank you. Great to be aboard. Nice looking forum and it loads quick too  :)


No problem Mate. were you able to find all the threads, or different topics on the home page? we also have a photo gallery that is work in progress at the moment, but has lots of good stuff there. we also have a nice video/website link on Cooper related stories.

Yeah, I've had a quick tour around. Will need to do some reading now before I barge in and asked a question that was answered only yesterday - or worse still today  8)

No problem. don't worry about questions, just ask them here. you will find a different environment here. people get along very well here. there might be some disagreements, but nothing like the other site.

I can already tell there's a different feel here to you-know-where. I registered there back in Dec 2013. Posted about twice and moved on. It's only recently I went back for a second bite. Glad I did now because it enabled me to find this place.

I've grabbed top place in the alphabetical on the Members board by the way  ;)
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Ha Ha, he was last seen around the Columbia river, near Portland airport (PDX)  ;D
The question is whether he was alive at the time  :D ;D 8)

Welcome to the forum 18c.....

Thank you. Great to be aboard. Nice looking forum and it loads quick too  :)


No problem Mate. were you able to find all the threads, or different topics on the home page? we also have a photo gallery that is work in progress at the moment, but has lots of good stuff there. we also have a nice video/website link on Cooper related stories.

Yeah, I've had a quick tour around. Will need to do some reading now before I barge in and asked a question that was answered only yesterday - or worse still today  8)

Welcome.  You asked about Safecracking PLF's 'through the lens of logic'.  While Im no expert I did have a number of exchanges with Safe about his work so am willing to discuss it, whatever you wish.  Safe is no longer available. He took another job and moved out of Washington. Not sure where. But he hasn't been back since the move. Young man with a family etc.... you know the routine, but he made some valuable contributions while at DZ in the area of trying to organise thinking about subjects like the flight path, money at Tina Bar, all through what he called 'the lens of logic'.  It's basically set theory and rules of inference applied to the Cooper case. Agent Carr was very impressed with Safe! hee-hee. We had some fun.

G'day.

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Post by: 18C on August 26, 2014, 03:22:56 AM
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Welcome Eighteen. Don't worry about asking questions. I'm always ready to impress myself with what I know, and if I happened to make a mistake or two, as happened a couple of days ago, Georger is ALWAYS ready to show me the error of my ways.

So far, he doesn't insist on any actual apologies, so I keep showing up here.

Cheers Bruce. Or is it BS-1 in your jargon?  ;D
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Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2014, 03:25:06 AM
I remember several of your older comments. you would pop on, but the bickering always gets in the way which I assume caused you to stop posting?
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Post by: 18C on August 26, 2014, 03:27:56 AM
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I remember several of your older comments. you would pop on, but the bickering always gets in the way which I assume caused you to stop posting?

From memory, and it was heading towards a year ago, I asked a couple of questions and got zero response.
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Post by: georger on August 26, 2014, 03:28:42 AM
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Welcome Eighteen. Don't worry about asking questions. I'm always ready to impress myself with what I know, and if I happened to make a mistake or two, as happened a couple of days ago, Georger is ALWAYS ready to show me the error of my ways.

So far, he doesn't insist on any actual apologies, so I keep showing up here.

Cheers Bruce. Or is it BS-1 in your jargon?  ;D


I couldn't believe how Jo jumped right in accusing you of being . . . Galen Cook? For you it was no fun, but ffrom those of us who know Jo and her zany thought patterns, it was typical. Im glad you took it in stride! Good show! ;)

In any event welcome. Hope you enjoy it here.

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Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2014, 03:33:23 AM
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I remember several of your older comments. you would pop on, but the bickering always gets in the way which I assume caused you to stop posting?

From memory, and it was heading towards a year ago, I asked a couple of questions and got zero response.

You will not have that problem here. sometimes the thread is jumping, and sometimes it's a little slow, but you will get a response to questions here.
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Post by: 18C on August 26, 2014, 03:33:49 AM
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Welcome Eighteen. Don't worry about asking questions. I'm always ready to impress myself with what I know, and if I happened to make a mistake or two, as happened a couple of days ago, Georger is ALWAYS ready to show me the error of my ways.

So far, he doesn't insist on any actual apologies, so I keep showing up here.

Cheers Bruce. Or is it BS-1 in your jargon?  ;D


I couldn't believe how Jo jumped right in accusing you of being . . . Galen Cook? For you it was no fun, but ffrom those of us who know Jo and her zany thought patterns, it was typical. Im glad you took it in stride! Good show! ;)

It caught me very much by surprise I can assure you  ;D

I did some looking and saw Galen was banned something like 5 years ago.

I'm guessing the next newby who comes along will get the exact same treatment.
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Post by: 18C on August 26, 2014, 05:48:16 AM
I'm in a very different time zone to most of you - southern Australia - so pardon me for bombing the forum with posts while you lot are sleeping.
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Post by: Robert99 on August 26, 2014, 08:23:07 AM
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Just snuck in guys. I'm looking for a Dan Cooper? Anyone able to assist??

Welcome.  And we'll get along great unless you try to convince me with a straight face that the flight path was on the east side of Portland.

Tina Bar is a good place to start looking for Dan Cooper.  However, at this point in time, he has probably left for the Western Pacific.  But there is a slight chance that he left a bone or two around Tina Bar.

Robert99
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Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2014, 12:41:29 PM
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I'm in a very different time zone to most of you - southern Australia - so pardon me for bombing the forum with posts while you lot are sleeping.


not a problem, it was rare for me to be awake as late as it was last night, but ask away with any questions you might have. someone will respond in due time if the time zones do stall the replies.
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Welcome Eighteen. Don't worry about asking questions. I'm always ready to impress myself with what I know, and if I happened to make a mistake or two, as happened a couple of days ago, Georger is ALWAYS ready to show me the error of my ways.

So far, he doesn't insist on any actual apologies, so I keep showing up here.

Cheers Bruce. Or is it BS-1 in your jargon?  ;D


I couldn't believe how Jo jumped right in accusing you of being . . . Galen Cook? For you it was no fun, but ffrom those of us who know Jo and her zany thought patterns, it was typical. Im glad you took it in stride! Good show! ;)

It caught me very much by surprise I can assure you  ;D

I did some looking and saw Galen was banned something like 5 years ago.

I'm guessing the next newby who comes along will get the exact same treatment.

I'll bet you were shocked! She does this to everybody, especially any newbie. She thinks she owns the DZ forum and the Cooper case.

But, you do have one advantage. You are in Australia - she wont be calling you ten times a day at international rates! You lucked out!  :) :)

BTW: what R99 is saying about the "east path" is we've had years of discussion about the flight path question, behind us. Anyone defending- suggesting the east path (near the Washougal) needs to have some very well grounded evidence or arguments. That at least is the current status of that. Still there are people who subscribe to an east path; they just can;t seem to defend it in spite of the Palmer Report. The east path got started because of the Palmer report suggesting the Tina Bar money might have come from the Washougal River. Then one of the crew (Rataczak or Scott) allegedly told Agent Himmelsbach at his retirement that  the plane 'might' have been further east than reported! Viola! The East Path was born.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on August 26, 2014, 06:46:00 PM
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Welcome Eighteen. Don't worry about asking questions. I'm always ready to impress myself with what I know, and if I happened to make a mistake or two, as happened a couple of days ago, Georger is ALWAYS ready to show me the error of my ways.

So far, he doesn't insist on any actual apologies, so I keep showing up here.

Cheers Bruce. Or is it BS-1 in your jargon?  ;D


I couldn't believe how Jo jumped right in accusing you of being . . . Galen Cook? For you it was no fun, but ffrom those of us who know Jo and her zany thought patterns, it was typical. Im glad you took it in stride! Good show! ;)

It caught me very much by surprise I can assure you  ;D

I did some looking and saw Galen was banned something like 5 years ago.

I'm guessing the next newby who comes along will get the exact same treatment.

I'll bet you were shocked! She does this to everybody, especially any newbie. She thinks she owns the DZ forum and the Cooper case.

But, you do have one advantage. You are in Australia - she wont be calling you ten times a day at international rates! You lucked out!  :) :)

BTW: what R99 is saying about the "east path" is we've had years of discussion about the flight path question, behind us. Anyone defending- suggesting the east path (near the Washougal) needs to have some very well grounded evidence or arguments. That at least is the current status of that. Still there are people who subscribe to an east path; they just can;t seem to defend it in spite of the Palmer Report. The east path got started because of the Palmer report suggesting the Tina Bar money might have come from the Washougal River. Then one of the crew (Rataczak or Scott) allegedly told Agent Himmelsbach at his retirement that  the plane 'might' have been further east than reported! Viola! The East Path was born.

Bill Rataczak struck me as a very impressive individual from the NBC Universal video interview I saw, and I think he might have been the one that said that. By the same token I've read many varying accounts of the flight path attributed to both Rataczak and Scott. With all the redactions of the written account of the flight path, and the inconsistencies in what Rataczak and Scott have said, who would know? Perhaps that's the way the F.B.I. and the pilots want it to be?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 26, 2014, 07:06:48 PM
Ahem, Eighteen, you can call me BS-1 if you choose, but most folks here call me Cousin Brucie, a moniker made famous by a radio DJ in the '60s. That said, most posts refer to me as "Bruce," but those folks tend to be, um, a tad distanced. Mrs. Cooper claims I have poor personal hygiene, so that may be the factor at play there.  But Miss Vicki says I don't stink too bad, and I always shave for in-person interviews, so I don't really understand the big fuss.

CB-1? Now that could be a code name, eh?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 27, 2014, 01:44:13 AM
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Welcome Eighteen. Don't worry about asking questions. I'm always ready to impress myself with what I know, and if I happened to make a mistake or two, as happened a couple of days ago, Georger is ALWAYS ready to show me the error of my ways.

So far, he doesn't insist on any actual apologies, so I keep showing up here.

Cheers Bruce. Or is it BS-1 in your jargon?  ;D


I couldn't believe how Jo jumped right in accusing you of being . . . Galen Cook? For you it was no fun, but ffrom those of us who know Jo and her zany thought patterns, it was typical. Im glad you took it in stride! Good show! ;)

It caught me very much by surprise I can assure you  ;D

I did some looking and saw Galen was banned something like 5 years ago.

I'm guessing the next newby who comes along will get the exact same treatment.

I'll bet you were shocked! She does this to everybody, especially any newbie. She thinks she owns the DZ forum and the Cooper case.

But, you do have one advantage. You are in Australia - she wont be calling you ten times a day at international rates! You lucked out!  :) :)

BTW: what R99 is saying about the "east path" is we've had years of discussion about the flight path question, behind us. Anyone defending- suggesting the east path (near the Washougal) needs to have some very well grounded evidence or arguments. That at least is the current status of that. Still there are people who subscribe to an east path; they just can;t seem to defend it in spite of the Palmer Report. The east path got started because of the Palmer report suggesting the Tina Bar money might have come from the Washougal River. Then one of the crew (Rataczak or Scott) allegedly told Agent Himmelsbach at his retirement that  the plane 'might' have been further east than reported! Viola! The East Path was born.

Bill Rataczak struck me as a very impressive individual from the NBC Universal video interview I saw, and I think he might have been the one that said that. By the same token I've read many varying accounts of the flight path attributed to both Rataczak and Scott. With all the redactions of the written account of the flight path, and the inconsistencies in what Rataczak and Scott have said, who would know? Perhaps that's the way the F.B.I. and the pilots want it to be?

It's noteworthy that nobody from the inner circle, to my knowledge, has risen to publicly state what the fp was, or defend one over the other, while at the same time RB recently quipped, quote: "I'm the only person alive who knows what the flight path was." It's like a game they play.   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on August 27, 2014, 02:13:24 AM
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Welcome Eighteen. Don't worry about asking questions. I'm always ready to impress myself with what I know, and if I happened to make a mistake or two, as happened a couple of days ago, Georger is ALWAYS ready to show me the error of my ways.

So far, he doesn't insist on any actual apologies, so I keep showing up here.

Cheers Bruce. Or is it BS-1 in your jargon?  ;D


I couldn't believe how Jo jumped right in accusing you of being . . . Galen Cook? For you it was no fun, but ffrom those of us who know Jo and her zany thought patterns, it was typical. Im glad you took it in stride! Good show! ;)

It caught me very much by surprise I can assure you  ;D

I did some looking and saw Galen was banned something like 5 years ago.

I'm guessing the next newby who comes along will get the exact same treatment.

I'll bet you were shocked! She does this to everybody, especially any newbie. She thinks she owns the DZ forum and the Cooper case.

But, you do have one advantage. You are in Australia - she wont be calling you ten times a day at international rates! You lucked out!  :) :)

BTW: what R99 is saying about the "east path" is we've had years of discussion about the flight path question, behind us. Anyone defending- suggesting the east path (near the Washougal) needs to have some very well grounded evidence or arguments. That at least is the current status of that. Still there are people who subscribe to an east path; they just can;t seem to defend it in spite of the Palmer Report. The east path got started because of the Palmer report suggesting the Tina Bar money might have come from the Washougal River. Then one of the crew (Rataczak or Scott) allegedly told Agent Himmelsbach at his retirement that  the plane 'might' have been further east than reported! Viola! The East Path was born.

Bill Rataczak struck me as a very impressive individual from the NBC Universal video interview I saw, and I think he might have been the one that said that. By the same token I've read many varying accounts of the flight path attributed to both Rataczak and Scott. With all the redactions of the written account of the flight path, and the inconsistencies in what Rataczak and Scott have said, who would know? Perhaps that's the way the F.B.I. and the pilots want it to be?

It's noteworthy that nobody from the inner circle, to my knowledge, has risen to publicly state what the fp was, or defend one over the other, while at the same time RB recently quipped, quote: "I'm the only person alive who knows what the flight path was." It's like a game they play.

RB as in the 'Blast' RB?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on August 27, 2014, 06:11:06 AM
I'm interested know how each of you got caught up in this crazy wild goose chase?

Personally, I heard about this case about 17 years ago, when a work colleague happened to make mention of it. I proceeded to read a couple of articles about it on the internet. Chatted to a couple of people about it, and then just stored it away in the memory bank under "interesting things I've heard but know very little about."

Occasionally over the ensuing years I would hear a tidbit here or there about the case, but that was about the extent of it.

Then in the lead-up to Christmas 2013 I was looking at books on the net and noticed one on D.B. Cooper. Then another, and after a bit of searching around found there were at least 3 or 4 available. As I didn't know much about the subject I chose as best I could, and as I was heading towards some Christmas holidays from work, thought I'd buy 2, and then it became 3.

From memory I read Richard Gray's book first. Followed by Robert Blevins'. The Real McCoy, the 3rd book I purchased, took ages to arrive and I think I received it only days prior to us taking off on holidays. Christmas holidays 2013/14 became the summer of D.B. Cooper as I had one or more of those books in my hands every minute other than when I was in the pool. The Cooper curse had well and truly kicked in.
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Post by: Shutter on August 27, 2014, 06:42:25 AM
Several years ago I was looking into the case. I remembered it from reading about it when I was younger. this was about the time Marla Cooper was in the news. I started looking into her story. I started to find out things didn't match up to what she was saying. during the end of researching Marla I found Dropzone.com. back then the thread was unstable, but information was flowing better than what is currently going on over there now.

Not long after joining DZ the discussion was about the tie clip. I put a lot of effort into trying to find out where the clip came from. the ending story was it was just another typical piece of costume jewelry manufactured by many, and sold under different names.

Then I remembered that I had bought Microsoft's flight simulator years ago, and decided to try and trace the flight path. I've since changed software from Microsoft to X-plane. the simulator is fully enclosed giving a better feel of flying. the software is extremely accurate in many ways. it's work in progress, and no conclusions have been given to date so far.

The case just seems to suck you in taunting you like a drug. one minute you think you are onto something, and bam, you smack right into a wall. it's frustrating, but a thrill can be found at every corner. sadly when you try to get somewhere on dropzone, you end up arguing over pointless comments most starting from Robert Blevins trying to disrupt any type of theory on any given part of the crime. I grew tired of the constant bickering and started this forum. as you read back a couple months on DZ you will find the bickering continues because of Mr. Blevins being permanently banned from here for several reasons. hopefully this site will remain a good source for Cooper, and can be enjoyed by everyone who visits the site. regardless to what is currently being said on DZ.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 27, 2014, 02:58:15 PM
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I'm interested know how each of you got caught up in this crazy wild goose chase?

Personally, I heard about this case about 17 years ago, when a work colleague happened to make mention of it. I proceeded to read a couple of articles about it on the internet. Chatted to a couple of people about it, and then just stored it away in the memory bank under "interesting things I've heard but know very little about."

Occasionally over the ensuing years I would hear a tidbit here or there about the case, but that was about the extent of it.

Then in the lead-up to Christmas 2013 I was looking at books on the net and noticed one on D.B. Cooper. Then another, and after a bit of searching around found there were at least 3 or 4 available. As I didn't know much about the subject I chose as best I could, and as I was heading towards some Christmas holidays from work, thought I'd buy 2, and then it became 3.

From memory I read Richard Gray's book first. Followed by Robert Blevins'. The Real McCoy, the 3rd book I purchased, took ages to arrive and I think I received it only days prior to us taking off on holidays. Christmas holidays 2013/14 became the summer of D.B. Cooper as I had one or more of those books in my hands every minute other than when I was in the pool. The Cooper curse had well and truly kicked in.

My wife and I were in line at a movie theatre (in another Galaxy far away) when I heard people talking about "some hippie .... who has hijacked an airplane and parachuted out of the plane ... over the wilderness of the State of Washington". People were laughing at audacity of the event and speculating if the guy had survived and could be found, in 1971. Many here were speculating this must be a political event. Maybe a Vietnam Vet with a grudge or a member of the SDS...

The next evening I watched Chronkite reporting about it on the evening news. Then on the weekend the phone rings and a relative in Vancouver Wa says: "... and the plane went over here and was on fire!" and I said, "What!? I haven't heard about that on the news!" My relative assured me her account was true. My wife and I laughed and surmised that my relative was still very sharp and active in her elder years, which was good news. Over time I learned that several of my extended family in Washington were involved in the search for D.B. Cooper. Reports of that continued into 1972, and beyond. It had nothing to do with me personally! (Geoff Gray's writeup about me in his book is total vacuous b.s.)!

One year later I am still getting periodic reports from family in Washington on the search for D.B. Cooper. At family gatherings the subject would always come up, as a subject of curiosity. I always noticed that the members of our family who were involved on the law enforcement side of the Cooper case, were (very) reluctant to say too much about the search for D.B. Cooper. We all knew 'the hijacker dubbed DB Cooper' had not been found, so it was a sensitive subject we just didn't peruse at length but left alone so as not to ruffle feelings, or breach protocols.

Years later I learned that my relative at Vancouver who had claimed 'the plane went over here and was on fire' had a direct association with Janet and her husband at Wilhelm Trucking, in Portland. We think that is where my relative at Vancouver picked up the 'plane on fire' story, later conveyed to Richard Tosaw by Janet herself.



 

 

 
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Post by: Coopsnoop on August 27, 2014, 04:07:23 PM
Fire = flares being dropped out of the rear stair case by DB Cooper.  Nice commentary, Georger.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 27, 2014, 04:23:00 PM
Thanks for the update, G. I hadn't heard the whole story before.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on August 27, 2014, 04:30:46 PM
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Fire = flares being dropped out of the rear stair case by DB Cooper.  Nice commentary, Georger.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Time for you to step up to the plate Coopsnoop. How did you get caught up in this wild goose chase?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on August 27, 2014, 04:32:07 PM
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Thanks for the update, G. I hadn't heard the whole story before.

Same question to you Bruce. How did you get caught up in this wild goose chase?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Coopsnoop on August 27, 2014, 07:30:58 PM
I like trying to solve complex cases, and this is one of the best.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on August 27, 2014, 10:05:19 PM
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I like trying to solve complex cases, and this is one of the best.

Short and sweet. Have you been on it long?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 27, 2014, 11:32:29 PM
After I met Ron and Pat Forman at the Thun Field air show in 2008 and got the basics, I was hooked because Cooper is a classic whodunit.  Plus, I have a passion to kick butt when people get paid good money to protect us and don't. I really hate being deceived by the FBI.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on August 28, 2014, 07:37:29 AM
A little hypothetical to ponder:

Let's just suppose Richard McCoy had have kept his mouth shut and not bought himself undone before he even committed the crime. The guy pulled off his hijack in pretty impressive fashion. Yes he did leave his notes behind in the airport gate lounge and yes his disguise was poorly applied and looked a bit silly. But the guy got the $500,000 he demanded. Threw out parachutes to confuse the Feds. Wore all the appropriate gear for the jump. Landed the jump, and got home with the money.

Had McCoy got away scott free and in such impressive fashion with the $500,000, I wonder who we'd be talking about now?

Perhaps McCoy wouldn't have been remembered in the same (fond?) way as Cooper because he didn't have a Tina Mucklow relaying to us how gentlemanly he'd behaved?

Perhaps also the F.B.I. would have been keen for us to believe McCoy never made it? Just like they have with Cooper.
 
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on August 28, 2014, 10:56:41 AM
I asked a similar question a few months back. My question was, if McCoy had not been caught, would the thought be that the same person did both. McCoy was more prepared, it seems. But it could have been reasoned that he was more prepared because it was his second attempt and learned from the first one. I certainly don't believe McCoy was Cooper, but it's interesting stuff to ponder.
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Post by: Shutter on August 28, 2014, 12:35:03 PM
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I asked a similar question a few months back. My question was, if McCoy had not been caught, would the thought be that the same person did both. McCoy was more prepared, it seems. But it could have been reasoned that he was more prepared because it was his second attempt and learned from the first one. I certainly don't believe McCoy was Cooper, but it's interesting stuff to ponder.

I don't see any suggestions that Cooper was a pilot in my opinion. he had general information with the exception of the stairs. he never bothered to ask for any type of flight information. McCoy was a pilot, and an experienced jumper. the whole plan shows that. I just don't think he would have done it differently in my opinion. like I mentioned before. it's almost like he said "let me show you how it's done" if he kept his mouth shut, we might be trying to link the two, but I still think he would stick out by have more noticeable experience, or differences between the two.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Coopsnoop on August 28, 2014, 03:20:15 PM
Look, I know this REALLY bothers Blevin's psyche, but the fact of the matter is that Skipp Porteous wants NOTHING to do with Robert M. Blevins.  It's terribly obvious when one co-author goes into hiding and won't defend his literary or investigative works.  Skipp's thoroughly embarrassed.  Partly because he knows that his book Blast is a pile of trash, that KC was not the hikacker, and that the book is full of many factual errors.  But Skipp's real source of embarrassment is that his name is still tied to Robert M. Blevins, his co-author who can't shut up about all of the snafus he has created.  This causes Skipp great consternation.  Blevins keeps saying he's going down to see Skipp (whos' he's never met) in CA this summer.  Summer is over.  So, RMB has to make up new lies to support the failings of his previous lies.  No wonder MR. Blevins is not an investigator.  You can't build a case, or, be competent on a foundation of LIES.  Game over, Blev.  Everyone is on to you.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 28, 2014, 04:03:46 PM
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Look, I know this REALLY bothers Blevin's psyche, but the fact of the matter is that Skipp Porteous wants NOTHING to do with Robert M. Blevins.  It's terribly obvious when one co-author goes into hiding and won't defend his literary or investigative works.  Skipp's thoroughly embarrassed.  Partly because he knows that his book Blast is a pile of trash, that KC was not the hikacker, and that the book is full of many factual errors.  But Skipp's real source of embarrassment is that his name is still tied to Robert M. Blevins, his co-author who can't shut up about all of the snafus he has created.  This causes Skipp great consternation.  Blevins keeps saying he's going down to see Skipp (whos' he's never met) in CA this summer.  Summer is over.  So, RMB has to make up new lies to support the failings of his previous lies.  No wonder MR. Blevins is not an investigator.  You can't build a case, or, be competent on a foundation of LIES.  Game over, Blev.  Everyone is on to you.


We are all aware that this could be a possibility. Blevins wrote something on DZ about Skipp, but I skipped over it. If there are no screenshots of any of these accusations. I don't want them on here. talking about investigative skills is one thing, or even the KC saga, but keep this Skipp hates Blevins stuff off of here unless VALID proof can be brought forward.

Bobby, I'm sure your reading this. provide proof on your side as well. this doesn't mean something typed by you!

Shutter.....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 28, 2014, 06:02:18 PM
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Look, I know this REALLY bothers Blevin's psyche, but the fact of the matter is that Skipp Porteous wants NOTHING to do with Robert M. Blevins.  It's terribly obvious when one co-author goes into hiding and won't defend his literary or investigative works.  Skipp's thoroughly embarrassed.  Partly because he knows that his book Blast is a pile of trash, that KC was not the hikacker, and that the book is full of many factual errors.  But Skipp's real source of embarrassment is that his name is still tied to Robert M. Blevins, his co-author who can't shut up about all of the snafus he has created.  This causes Skipp great consternation.  Blevins keeps saying he's going down to see Skipp (whos' he's never met) in CA this summer.  Summer is over.  So, RMB has to make up new lies to support the failings of his previous lies.  No wonder MR. Blevins is not an investigator.  You can't build a case, or, be competent on a foundation of LIES.  Game over, Blev.  Everyone is on to you.


We are all aware that this could be a possibility. Blevins wrote something on DZ about Skipp, but I skipped over it. If there are no screenshots of any of these accusations. I don't want them on here. talking about investigative skills is one thing, or even the KC saga, but keep this Skipp hates Blevins stuff off of here unless VALID proof can be brought forward.

Bobby, I'm sure your reading this. provide proof on your side as well. this doesn't mean something typed by you!

Shutter.....

Carr used to call these "back stories". That's the proper perspective on this.  :)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 28, 2014, 06:23:53 PM
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Look, I know this REALLY bothers Blevin's psyche, but the fact of the matter is that Skipp Porteous wants NOTHING to do with Robert M. Blevins.  It's terribly obvious when one co-author goes into hiding and won't defend his literary or investigative works.  Skipp's thoroughly embarrassed.  Partly because he knows that his book Blast is a pile of trash, that KC was not the hikacker, and that the book is full of many factual errors.  But Skipp's real source of embarrassment is that his name is still tied to Robert M. Blevins, his co-author who can't shut up about all of the snafus he has created.  This causes Skipp great consternation.  Blevins keeps saying he's going down to see Skipp (whos' he's never met) in CA this summer.  Summer is over.  So, RMB has to make up new lies to support the failings of his previous lies.  No wonder MR. Blevins is not an investigator.  You can't build a case, or, be competent on a foundation of LIES.  Game over, Blev.  Everyone is on to you.


We are all aware that this could be a possibility. Blevins wrote something on DZ about Skipp, but I skipped over it. If there are no screenshots of any of these accusations. I don't want them on here. talking about investigative skills is one thing, or even the KC saga, but keep this Skipp hates Blevins stuff off of here unless VALID proof can be brought forward.

Bobby, I'm sure your reading this. provide proof on your side as well. this doesn't mean something typed by you!

Shutter.....

Carr used to call these "back stories". That's the proper perspective on this.  :)


Back Stories = B.S.  8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 29, 2014, 12:14:30 AM
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Look, I know this REALLY bothers Blevin's psyche, but the fact of the matter is that Skipp Porteous wants NOTHING to do with Robert M. Blevins.  It's terribly obvious when one co-author goes into hiding and won't defend his literary or investigative works.  Skipp's thoroughly embarrassed.  Partly because he knows that his book Blast is a pile of trash, that KC was not the hikacker, and that the book is full of many factual errors.  But Skipp's real source of embarrassment is that his name is still tied to Robert M. Blevins, his co-author who can't shut up about all of the snafus he has created.  This causes Skipp great consternation.  Blevins keeps saying he's going down to see Skipp (whos' he's never met) in CA this summer.  Summer is over.  So, RMB has to make up new lies to support the failings of his previous lies.  No wonder MR. Blevins is not an investigator.  You can't build a case, or, be competent on a foundation of LIES.  Game over, Blev.  Everyone is on to you.


We are all aware that this could be a possibility. Blevins wrote something on DZ about Skipp, but I skipped over it. If there are no screenshots of any of these accusations. I don't want them on here. talking about investigative skills is one thing, or even the KC saga, but keep this Skipp hates Blevins stuff off of here unless VALID proof can be brought forward.

Bobby, I'm sure your reading this. provide proof on your side as well. this doesn't mean something typed by you!

Shutter.....

Carr used to call these "back stories". That's the proper perspective on this.  :)


Back Stories = B.S.  8)

Well ....  :) .... that equation works on my calculator.  Got a fascinating email about Dawson and will run it down.
I won't name drop.
 
 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 29, 2014, 01:04:45 AM
"...Carr used to call these "back stories". That's the proper perspective on this.  :)
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Back Stories = B.S.  8)


BS?  Now, let's be careful here....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Coopsnoop on August 29, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
BS = Bruce Smith;  bs = back stories;  RMB = real, mothereffin bullcrap
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Post by: Shutter on August 29, 2014, 04:09:48 PM
BS = Bruce Smith;  bs = back stories;  RMB = real, mothereffin bullcrap.....RMB = Real Myth Born  8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 29, 2014, 04:12:17 PM
Smile.
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Post by: 18C on August 30, 2014, 04:32:25 AM
Not sure if people are familiar with the Portland, Oregon man who lives inside a Boeing 727 aircraft.

Bruce Campbell, 64, former electrical engineer, has been living in the 727 since 1999, when he acquired the aircraft and dumped it on a 10-acre lot of land he owned in the Pacific Northwest.

During the last 15 years, Campbell has spent around $218,000 restoring the aircraft to make it into a rather unusual residence, to say the least: in addition to the cockpit and landing gears, the jet now contains a makeshift sleeping space and a kitchen area complete with microwave and toaster.

http://rt.com/usa/164856-plane-oregon-bruce-campbell/

Campbell is too young to be D.B. Cooper  ;D


Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - more Blevins BS
Post by: georger on August 30, 2014, 04:40:30 AM
Blevins is over at DZ again tonight trying to pick a fight with Cook, using of all things again, the socalled 'Janet story'.

Mr. Blevins why don;t you READ THE THREAD! ?  The actual Janet story, socalled, has been explained to you a thousand times and still you avoid the facts in favor of building another straw man you can use to attack someone.

Blevin's screwed up version in his latest revision of the last revision of his tawdry [piece of pulp fiction titled "Bast" runs as follows:

In early 2010, Cook claimed to have a new witness, a woman he called ‘Janet’ who allegedly saw the hijacker standing on the airstairs of the hijacked jet and tossing flares into the Columbia River while it flew over Vancouver, Washington. This claim has been roundly discounted because of the altitude of the plane (9,600 feet) and that it was dark, raining, and the plane was flying above heavy cloud cover. In an article from May 22, 2010, Scott Schwebke of the Utah Standard-Examiner reported this story.

The actual facts are:
1. Cook didn't chose to call her Janet. Janet calls herself Janet! Duhhhh!
2. Cook didn't break the story. Richard Tosaw broke the story. Duhhh!
3. Janet never said what you Blevins keep insisting she said. Duhhh!
4. Janet nor anyone else ever said anything about 'tossing flares into the Columbia'? Neither Janet nor anyone else ever said or claimed anything about the Columbia? Nobody ever claimed the plane was over the Columbia! Janet sure as heel wasn't standing "in the Columbia River"!   Duhhhh!
5. Flares could not have been seen from 9,600 feet with cloud cover? Where do you get that? Duhh!
6. Ole Blev never mentions Janet's husband! Duhhh!
7. Ole Blev says: "as it flew over Vancouver" then says "tossing flares into the Columbia". That is a logical impossibility Bev! Duhhh!
8. Ole Blev says "the claim has been roundly discounted". Oh really? By who? You? Duhhh!
9. Ole Blev says "heavy cloud cover". The NWS says "broken cloud cover". Duhh!
10. How many people were involved in Janet and her husbands story, Blev ? Don't answer "just one". Ive already given it away! Janet and her husband are 1+1-2!. How many others were involved? Who reported what, to whom?
11. Who was very possibily the first to report the 'Janet story', publicly outside the State of Washington? Don't answer Cook! This was decades before Cook or Tosaw! This is back in 1971, on the weekend of the hijacking. Do you know? Of course you don't. You prefer to operate and bluster in the total darkness of stupidity and pick fights with Galen Cook! Duhhh!

So, let me end this quite appropriately with Ole' Blev's own words! Now it's YOUR turn to apologize. By doing this, you will regain some measure of credibility, and chances are good you won't stoop to doing that again. Just saying. What's good for the goose is good for the gerbil in the gold fish bowl! 

Blevins, why don't you edit, rewrite, and compose something that the average gerbil could follow and comprerhend? 

     

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2014, 11:53:31 AM
With the Story from "Janet" it appears where she was at the time puts some merit into the current flight path. if this is true it kind of puts a hole in the Dawson theory IMO. this is such a touchy area while trying to position the plane in this area. where do we come to a conclusion that the two can exist, or is that not a possibility?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 30, 2014, 04:50:18 PM
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With the Story from "Janet" it appears where she was at the time puts some merit into the current flight path. if this is true it kind of puts a hole in the Dawson theory IMO. this is such a touchy area while trying to position the plane in this area. where do we come to a conclusion that the two can exist, or is that not a possibility?

Palmer may have been correct. His reading of the strata may be correct - and Kaye may be flat wrong! According to Janet the drift was westward. Or south-west. But several facts are true/confirmed:

1. Janet and her husband both saw the event, or apparition if you prefer that word.
2. They saw something, whether it relates to the Cooper hijacking or not. The time frames do seem to correlate.
3. The reporter that wound up reporting about this years later was an IDIOT! He did not report what Janet and her husband saw or what Janet said about the event. He invented stuff and put it in his article, just like Blevins and Weber make stuff up and put that into their posts/articles, etc.
4. Janet actually contacted the FBI.
5. Janet's husband contacted law enforcement people he knew.
6. Janet's husband was basically told to keep this quiet/private until further work could be done. Janet's husband asked Janet not to say anything further.
7. (Janet was visited at her home by to guys in suits and told to STFU? That is unconfirmed).
8. On Saturday following 11-24-71 two other people (Vern and Emma) at Vancouver told people 'the plane went over here and was on fire', or variations of that account. That is documented fact.
9. Vern and Emma's account was passed on, in turn, to other people by Monday, following 11-24-71. That is documented fact. These accounts were shared with other law enforcement people, both inside the State of Washington and in other States. That is documented fact.
10. So far as is known, none of these accounts were broadcast by or even made their way to the news media in 1971.
11. Years later, Janet conveys her old account to Richard Tosaw.
12. Then later, Tosaw's account makes it way to Galen Cook. (Janet's story is not original with Galen Cook as Robert Michael Blevins contends, except that Mr. Cook found Janet later and interviewed her several times!)
13. We think that Janet and her husband may have shared a common link with Vern and Emma, ie. work at Wilhelm Trucking in Portland. Did Janet and/or her husband share their witness with people at Wilhelm Trucking and that is where Vern and Emma picked up their account? We just don't know. Since, both Vern and Janet's husband also shared a link with law enforcement in the Vancouver area, it is possible that is where Vern may have acquired the story which then was communicated by his mother, Emma, to relatives and others. We simply do not know if Janet and her husband's account was passed to Vern and Emma, or if this represents two independent witnesses of the same event at Vancouver on the evening of 11-24-71.

The Blevins feud with Cook has literally nothing to do with Janet's story and it is apparent Blevins knows literally nothing about this whole matter!

Those are the facts so far as I know them.

 


Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 30, 2014, 08:01:21 PM
Thanks, G.  Good to see a more precise account of this episode.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Coopsnoop on August 30, 2014, 08:39:18 PM
Skipp's neurological disorder could likely be attributed to having his name associated with Robert M. Blevins.  That would be enought to drive anyone crazy.  I've talked with Skipp many times over the phone and by e-mail since 2008.  Skipp asked me to fly to LA and meet him prior to the National Geographic filming, but I courteously declined.  Skipp is a nice guy.  Skipp told me by phone that Ken Christianson was a homosexual man with a preference for young guys.  I also spent two hours on the phone with Geoff Gray.  Gray's report on Blevins was not good.  I won't go into detail what Gray stated, but Georger also knows what Gray thinks of Blevins.
At any rate, trust me when I say that Skipp wants nothing to do with Robert Blevins.  It's true.
And Mr. Blevins, when are you going to learn to quit your untruthful ways?  It took Bruce Smith to get in contact with Skipp Porteous to discover what you couldn't disclose, because you didn't even know.  Your co-author, who you were supposed to spend part of the summer with (according to your raves), which you didn't,..........informed Bruce Smith of the problem.  Bruce reports it objectively, and you continuously berate Bruce Smith for not being polite.  Well, it seems Bruce Smith IS polite because he got the truth from YOUR co-author................you know, the one who can't stand you anymore.  Blevins, you have some real problems and you need professional psychiatric help.  You call other people liars, but apparently, this is something you do without foreseeability of being caught.  Do you believe your own lies, or are you just basically defenseless without resorting to that mechanism?  Everybody knows that you can't investigate or write accurately and be truthful of the content, so can you explain on the DZ why you are still involved with the DB Cooper case?  If you could articulate a clear, cogent reason, we might cut you some slack.  But for now, Skipp Porteous and the FBI seem to be avoiding you at all costs.  And most people know the reason for that.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2014, 09:04:19 PM
" trust me when I say that Skipp wants nothing to do with Robert Blevins."

You are pushing my patients to the extreme! I've asked several times for proof to be provided with any of this nonsense. I'm tired of playing this tennis match. apparently you don't have any respect for the rules I provided several times with these allegations. If I see anything about this past this post. a 30 day vacation will be imposed. show valid proof of what you are talking about. typing out emails, or stating things are not going to cut it. I said this in the past, and I'm constantly ignored.

I've told Robert basically the samething. typing out emails means squat. screenshots of emails, or anything along that line is more proof than just going back and forth with the he said, she said crap. I'm not siding with anyone. this crap needs to stop.

I don't see any ending to this. Robert states either me, or Bruce email Skipp to get answers. then once he seems to see health issues, he turns around and gives excuses about how long emails take for Skipp to write. it's all a bunch of BULLSHIT!

Mr. Shutter!!!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 30, 2014, 11:43:56 PM
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Skipp's neurological disorder could likely be attributed to having his name associated with Robert M. Blevins.  That would be enought to drive anyone crazy.  I've talked with Skipp many times over the phone and by e-mail since 2008.  Skipp asked me to fly to LA and meet him prior to the National Geographic filming, but I courteously declined.  Skipp is a nice guy.  Skipp told me by phone that Ken Christianson was a homosexual man with a preference for young guys.  I also spent two hours on the phone with Geoff Gray.  Gray's report on Blevins was not good.  I won't go into detail what Gray stated, but Georger also knows what Gray thinks of Blevins.
At any rate, trust me when I say that Skipp wants nothing to do with Robert Blevins.  It's true.
And Mr. Blevins, when are you going to learn to quit your untruthful ways?  It took Bruce Smith to get in contact with Skipp Porteous to discover what you couldn't disclose, because you didn't even know.  Your co-author, who you were supposed to spend part of the summer with (according to your raves), which you didn't,..........informed Bruce Smith of the problem.  Bruce reports it objectively, and you continuously berate Bruce Smith for not being polite.  Well, it seems Bruce Smith IS polite because he got the truth from YOUR co-author................you know, the one who can't stand you anymore.  Blevins, you have some real problems and you need professional psychiatric help.  You call other people liars, but apparently, this is something you do without foreseeability of being caught.  Do you believe your own lies, or are you just basically defenseless without resorting to that mechanism?  Everybody knows that you can't investigate or write accurately and be truthful of the content, so can you explain on the DZ why you are still involved with the DB Cooper case?  If you could articulate a clear, cogent reason, we might cut you some slack.  But for now, Skipp Porteous and the FBI seem to be avoiding you at all costs.  And most people know the reason for that.

Well with a condition like this, what was the onset? Did it affect Skipp's work/judgement on KC? Would Blevins even know, or care! Did Skip pass it off to Gray because he was no longer able to concentrate, work,or function? Did he then get Blevins to 'finish the job'? These are serious questions which go to the heart of the work on KC. Does any of that work have any veracity!?
 
I was surprised to receive a Facebook message in response saying that Skipp couldn't talk to me because he has a progressive neurological disorder that causes aphasia, the inability to form words. Skipp also wrote that his aphasia is such that it is also difficult for him to organize his thoughts. As a result, he is very limited in communicating effectively or in a finely fashion. posted to Dropzone today.

Related:  I was stopped cold in 2008 at Dropzone after being threatened with expulsion if I reference anything having to do with Mental Illness with reference to Jo Weber, at Dropzone. The Moderator never PM'd me to explain. Then I got a PM from a skydiver at Dropzone. He warned me straightaway to keep all references to mental illness especially with reference to Jo Weber, off the forum or I probably would be expelled. The skydiver went on to explain that several people in management positions at Dropzone had a history of struggling with mental illness in their families. He went on to explain further that Jo Weber fell under a protective umbrella at Dropzone for this very reason! I soon learned that others fell under the same umbrella at Dropzone. Finally, Paul Quade the Moderator surfaced and prohibited any reference to mental illness on his thread, as a matter of policy - regardless of how it affected behavior of some or discussion on the thread! In other words, some were being held to one standard, everyone else to a different standard, as a matter of policy!

It's bizarre but my account is 100% true.

The above lead myself and others to discuss this dilemma/restriction at Dropzone off line. We never were able to come to a resolution of this problem. DZ has operated under the schizophrenic sets of contradictory standards ever since - literally.

Now I'm making this public.


 

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 31, 2014, 12:03:04 AM
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" trust me when I say that Skipp wants nothing to do with Robert Blevins."

You are pushing my patients to the extreme! I've asked several times for proof to be provided with any of this nonsense. I'm tired of playing this tennis match. apparently you don't have any respect for the rules I provided several times with these allegations. If I see anything about this past this post. a 30 day vacation will be imposed. show valid proof of what you are talking about. typing out emails, or stating things are not going to cut it. I said this in the past, and I'm constantly ignored.

I've told Robert basically the samething. typing out emails means squat. screenshots of emails, or anything along that line is more proof than just going back and forth with the he said, she said crap. I'm not siding with anyone. this crap needs to stop.

I don't see any ending to this. Robert states either me, or Bruce email Skipp to get answers. then once he seems to see health issues, he turns around and gives excuses about how long emails take for Skipp to write. it's all a bunch of BULLSHIT!

Mr. Shutter!!!

In the next iteration he will say its all due to the Speed of Light Restriction...  :) :) :)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 31, 2014, 12:05:18 AM
Good to know, G.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Skipp Porteous email
Post by: georger on August 31, 2014, 12:50:12 AM
re- email RMB has presented below: from Porteous suffering from aphasia.

Skip Porteous (copy of email to me Blevins)
Bruce Smith contacted me recently. This what I said to him:
Bruce,
My aphasia is the sole reason I’ve not promoting the book, especially through on radio.
I believe is Kenny Christiansen is D.B. Cooper.
I don’t the think want FBI to solve this case.
I personally introduced Geoff to this case, brought him to my office,  and gave him many materials.
My relationship Blevins and Cook: I’ve never met them. Robert read the article in New York magazine . He wrote to say I ever wanted to book about he’s my man.
I understand Cook is saying things online that is patently untrue.
How did you get involved in this case?


No routing information to authenticate. No usual email header or other email info to authenticate!

We do learn, if this is authentic, that according to Porteous it was Blevins who contacted Porteous about doing a book, not the reverse as previously reported,  after Blevins has read Geoff Gray's NYM article, which precedes the previous date and time frame given by Blevins on Dropzone! Is that the same story Blevins told before on DZ saying Porteous contacted him? I don't think so.

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 31, 2014, 01:11:33 AM
I gave him a simple solution. that was to forward the email to Bruce. it's that simple. they have both supposedly emailed Skipp. Robert could easily clear the whole thing up by doing this. he told me no, because he posted that screenshot. it's backed the forum up once again. no Cooper info getting through...
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 31, 2014, 01:46:36 AM
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I gave him a simple solution. that was to forward the email to Bruce. it's that simple. they have both supposedly emailed Skipp. Robert could easily clear the whole thing up by doing this. he told me no, because he posted that screenshot. it's backed the forum up once again. no Cooper info getting through...

Blevins is never going to be open and above board about anything.

He merely asks: "trust me".

But he has let something slip, no longer can keep track of all of his revisions and lies. He tells us now it was "he" who contacted Porteous about doing a book, not the reverse! Clear back after Gray's article was published in the New Yorker! In other words the opportunist Blevins was looking for opportunities clear back then! What a deal Porteous got! The famous writer editor, and logician Robert Michael Blevins. And Porteous had a brain disorder that would eventually cause him to retire and be debilitated too boot. Now it all belongs to Blevins and Gayla! uber alles.

Turns out Gray knew exactly what he was talking about when he spoke to me about Blevins, expressed
un happiness, cautioned me not to have anything to do with the man, and referred to "transactions".

DZ is nothing but a smut peddler's Paradise. For the mentally and socially handicapped.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 31, 2014, 02:10:58 AM
The current status of the privacy of emails is up in the air.  Totally private?  Kinda private? Forgetaboutit!

Since the reputations and veracity of multiple researchers have been called into question over the Porteous/Blevins/Cook and me flap, I am posting the following exchange between Skipp and me today.

I put Skippy's response in BOLD because he doesn't say too much and I want to highlight what he does say.

Email #3"
BAS: "Could you expand, please. "All of them" is a tad vague.
 
As far as I know, the feds de-briefed the crew - Scott, Rataczak, Anderson, Schaffner, Mucklow and Hancock. Georger Harrison, NWO operators chief at Sea-Tac, worked thoroughly with the FBI through out the skyjacking. His field notes on the skyjacking are on file at the WSHM.
 
Paul Sunderland, NWO operations chief at HQ in Minnie-Apple, was in constant contact with the cockpit crew and Sea-Tac. CEO Nyrop was also personally involved.
 
Who else should the feds have interviewed? 
 
Tina's family? Her brother-in-law was a FBI field agent in San Diego and was at Reno with Tina's sister for the de-briefing. He continues to be involved in Tina's story.
 
Florence?  She married a cop.
 
Rataczak became best friends with Ralph Himmelsbach.
 
Scottie? He flew in for Himms' retirement party.
 
Anderson flew the 727 used for the sled test.
 
Remember, Kenny didn't become a suspect until, what, 2007?  Who at NWO in 1971 would know what Dan Cooper knew about parachute exits out of a 727 - speed, altitude, configurations, flaps, etc? How would you evaluate NWO staff for expertise on the 727?  Where would you start? How would you select likely suspects from NWO staff? 
 
When I talked with Rataczak he told me that Cooper knew more about the plane than he did. Even NWO flight ops didn't know that a 727 could be flown successfully with the aft stairs deployed and needed confirmation from the CIA and Boeing that it was okay to accept Cooper's demands, which begs the question: If Kenny is DBC where did he learn about jumping from a 727?
 
I know, lots of questions for a guy with communication difficulties, but these are the thoughts going on for me.
 
Thanks,
 
Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: Skipp
To: Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Greetings

"I didn't read the article.
"All of them."


On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Bruce Smith <brucesmith@rainierconnect.com> wrote:

How about Tina's recent interview in Eugene?  She says that she flew NWO routes to the Orient for five years after the skyjacking. It seems plausible that she would have seen Kenny during those hops.
 
When you say the FBI didn't interview people at the airplane, which people didn't they interview that they should have? Transcripts show that NWO operations people were intimately involved with the FBI.


----- Original Message -----
From: Skipp
To: Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Greetings

Correct. Blevins contacted me.

The FBI doesn't this solve this because they're not making good progress on it. I sent our book to FBI agents in Boston, whom I know. Both were convinced.

It's taken so long. And good suspects were presented to the FBI.

All they about our suspect is he doesn't match the profile. Witnesses are to inaccurate. They never interviewed the people at the airline. They've lost evidence.

 

On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Bruce Smith <brucesmith@rainierconnect.com> wrote:

"I'm 64, so I was in college when Coop did his thing.
 
I was re-introduced to the case in 2008 while covering an air show for the Pierce County Dispatch newspaper.  At the show I met Ron and Pat Forman, who had just written their book about Barb Dayton.
 
As they told me about Barb and her confession to be DB Cooper, I saw all the inconsistencies in the FBI investigation and that got me hooked.  Still putting the Bureau's feet to the fire.
 
Why do you think that the FBI doesn't want to solve the case?
 
Also, as I understand from your post, Blevs contacted you about writing a book and got the ball rolling.  Correct?"
 
Bruce


----- Original Message -----
From: Skipp
To: Bruce Smith
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Greetings

Bruce,

My aphasia is the sole reason I've not promoting the book, especially through on radio.
I believe is Kenny Christiansen is D.B. Cooper.
I don't the think want FBI to solve this case.
I personally introduced Geoff to this case, brought him to my office, and gave him many materials.
My relationship Blevins and Cook: I've never met them. Robert read the article in New York magazine. He wrote to say I ever wanted to read book he's my man.
I understand Cook is saying things online that is patently untrue.

How did you get involved in this case?

Skipp



On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Bruce Smith <brucesmith@rainierconnect.com> wrote:

"Thanks, I found your email address further down my inbox.
 
As for DB Cooper and Kenny, I have read how you entered the picture via Lyle and Geoffrey.
 
Here are some of my questions:
 
1.  How do you feel about Kenny as DB nowadays?
 
2. How do you feel about the DB Cooper investigation in general?  You've been silent on the subject, as far as I can tell. No postings on the DZ, no website, no public appearances at Cooper symposia, etc. I understand you communication difficulties; is this a factor?
 
3. What's your relationships with Blevins and Galen Cook?  Bobby says you two are best buds, but Galen says you and Blevs are No Way, Jose.
 
4. Any thoughts on Geoffrey and how he got exceptional access to FBI files; his role in the Marla flap; purpose in producing the 2011 Symposium, etc.
 
5. Do you follow the current developments in Norjak, i.e.: Tina, FBI inconsistencies and lost evidence, murder of Earl Cossey? If so, whaddayathink?  If not, why not?
 
Thanks,"
 
Bruce




Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 31, 2014, 02:29:01 AM
The above post reveals a deeper issue: who is Skipp Porteous really?  That has to be addressed.

- Does Skipp has a rare neurological disorder that causes aphasia?

- Does he really fault the FBI for not interviewing "all" of the employees of NWO, 35 years before Kenny became a suspect?

- How serious are his communication difficulties?  If he can post on Facebook, why not DropZone?

- No one that I know reports communication difficulties with Skipp. I spoke with the new owners of Sherlock Investigations, and they never suggested that Skipp had any impediments.  Plus, they told me that Skipp had moved to Montreal, which he clearly has not done.  Further, the apartment managers at his old office/apartment also told me that he had moved to Montreal, about six months prior.  In addition, no one at the apartment said Skipp had any apparent neurological disorders.

So, I'm asking why there are so many mysteries about this old PI, particularly one who writes a real crappy book about DB Cooper and doesn't 'fess up to it.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 31, 2014, 02:39:50 AM
Truth Options:

Pick as many as you like:

1. Galen is lying.
2. Galen is telling the truth but he is receiving bogus emails and phone calls from Skippy.
3. Skippy's emails to me are real and legitimately express how he feels, medically and Cooper-wise.
4. Skippy's emails are bogus.
5. Someone is posing as Skippy and sending out emails in his name.
6. Bobby B is lying.
7. Bobby B is telling the truth but is being played by Skippy, or some third party.
8. Cousin Brucie is lying.
9. Cousin Brucie is not lying, just having another Royalty moment.
10. Skippy is incredibly obtuse, disinterested, and simple-minded. Hence, Bobby is a beacon of intellectual power, which blows our minds.
11. Skippy is lying to Galen, Bobby and Cousin Brucie, or some combination of all three.
12. Someone posing as Skippy is lying to everybody, all or most of the time.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 31, 2014, 03:19:47 AM
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The above post reveals a deeper issue: who is Skipp Porteous really?  That has to be addressed.

- Does Skipp has a rare neurological disorder that causes aphasia?

- Does he really fault the FBI for not interviewing "all" of the employees of NWO, 35 years before Kenny became a suspect?

- How serious are his communication difficulties?  If he can post on Facebook, why not DropZone?

- No one that I know reports communication difficulties with Skipp. I spoke with the new owners of Sherlock Investigations, and they never suggested that Skipp had any impediments.  Plus, they told me that Skipp had moved to Montreal, which he clearly has not done.  Further, the apartment managers at his old office/apartment also told me that he had moved to Montreal, about six months prior.  In addition, no one at the apartment said Skipp had any apparent neurological disorders.

So, I'm asking why there are so many mysteries about this old PI, particularly one who writes a real crappy book about DB Cooper and doesn't 'fess up to it.

usual causes of aphasia in adults are accidents (auto accidents) and brain tumors or strokes.

According to the National Aphasia Association, about 25% to 40% of people who survive a stroke get aphasia. Aphasia may also be caused by a brain tumor, brain infection, or dementia such as Alzheimer's disease. In some cases, aphasia is a symptom of epilepsy or other neurological disorder.

The BIG news to me is that Blevins was the one who sought, pursued, and suggested a book to Porteous as a result of Blevins reading the Gray article on Christiansen - which goes to the "transactions I don't want to relate" aspect Gray spoke to me about, concerning Blevins. Blevins has Porteous seeking him out! Blevins previously portrayed himself as neutral and secondary. This news if true shifts Blevins to an aggressive instigator position who made the first move with an idea already in his mind - which fits with the aggressive nature Gray portrayed Blevins as having.     

So much for Blevins' lame-assed excuses and reasons if this is true. It shows us the real Blevins - the aggressor Blevins who instigated the idea of a book and set it in motion.

Trust me on this!  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 31, 2014, 12:16:51 PM
It appears to me that if the emails are legit, then Skipp has had contact with Robert. Galen has made a lot of accusations. in order to prove what he has been saying prove is required. Robert has put an email screenshot up for all to see. Galen needs to do the same if he is to get anywhere with his claims. I can clearly see Skipp's health is failing, but I don't think he is off the deep end as of yet.

Now, since the email posted is true, Robert has been deceptive about how he came into the world of DB Cooper. I'm finding statements such as this one all over the internet. "In May of 2009, Skipp Porteous of Sherlock Investigations contacted me,” Blevins said." according to Skipp, Robert contacted him stating if he wants a book, I'm your man. Robert wrote something on Skipps blog, this seems to be how the contact was made, or the connection.

Here is another statement from Robert's blog. "Last June we were approached by Skipp Porteous, the president of Sherlock Investigations, New York City. He said he wanted to do a new book about skyjacker 'D.B. Cooper'." he seems to be making it out to appear some big investigator from "New York" contacted him. this isn't true by his own admission on another site claiming he contacted Skipp on his blog. Robert seems to try and promote himself as an honest person. I don't believe this is the case. we have seen what he has done in the past to get around any type of block where he is not welcome. he did the same with Marla. when you look on Amazon.com where he sells books, shills can be found, along with him arguing endlessly with people who do reviews.

Even on his blog he is approached, and accused of a fake review on someone else. "Hey Robert-- I know you work for a firm that promotes and offers editing -- How about you go remove your review on my book. This is the Second negative review from your company-- different member, basic same wording. Leave my book alone please." Robert seems to use the same M.O. often. almost as if he learns from his own wrong doings. he will then turn around and claim they are all sock puppets, and have no validation.

Robert will take the smallest things, and turn them into a nightmare. you have seen this with the current battle with Galen, and Blevins. I have asked for proof from both sides, and yet Robert tries to destroy this thread by taking the whole thing out of context. he tries to blame me, or involve me in his battle's claiming the comments should be removed. even if Galen is not being honest. I'm not removing the comments. I've asked many times for proof. Robert tries to hound, and corner people into removing negative comments about himself while in the same respect does the same to people fixed in his crosshair. the filthy comments are a good example. most would over look them, but he actually saved them and continues to bring it up over, and over again. I'm not sticking up for nobody. in the same sense, I'm not going to allow Robert to run this forum either!

Robert seems to leave a path of destruction where ever he goes. he constantly drifts off topic with either advertising, or to unfold drama about something said against him. he can hold Dropzone.com hostage for pages with his constant negative comments on any given topic. nobody says a word to him?

In closing I would like to repeat my earlier comment about the relationship between Robert, and Skipp must have some sort of actual proof that Skipp isn't happy with Robert. yes, it's possible Skipp could be playing a game, but simply typing this out is hardly any proof. Robert has tilted the scale, so you better come up with something of value. it's gone on long enough. it's time to put an end to this ridiculous adventure. personally I have grown extremely tired of the whole mud slinging pile of crap.

Shutter  >:(
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on August 31, 2014, 12:48:07 PM
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The above post reveals a deeper issue: who is Skipp Porteous really?  That has to be addressed.

- Does Skipp has a rare neurological disorder that causes aphasia?

- Does he really fault the FBI for not interviewing "all" of the employees of NWO, 35 years before Kenny became a suspect?

- How serious are his communication difficulties?  If he can post on Facebook, why not DropZone?

- No one that I know reports communication difficulties with Skipp. I spoke with the new owners of Sherlock Investigations, and they never suggested that Skipp had any impediments.  Plus, they told me that Skipp had moved to Montreal, which he clearly has not done.  Further, the apartment managers at his old office/apartment also told me that he had moved to Montreal, about six months prior.  In addition, no one at the apartment said Skipp had any apparent neurological disorders.

So, I'm asking why there are so many mysteries about this old PI, particularly one who writes a real crappy book about DB Cooper and doesn't 'fess up to it.

usual causes of aphasia in adults are accidents (auto accidents) and brain tumors or strokes.

According to the National Aphasia Association, about 25% to 40% of people who survive a stroke get aphasia. Aphasia may also be caused by a brain tumor, brain infection, or dementia such as Alzheimer's disease. In some cases, aphasia is a symptom of epilepsy or other neurological disorder.

The BIG news to me is that Blevins was the one who sought, pursued, and suggested a book to Porteous as a result of Blevins reading the Gray article on Christiansen - which goes to the "transactions I don't want to relate" aspect Gray spoke to me about, concerning Blevins. Blevins has Porteous seeking him out! Blevins previously portrayed himself as neutral and secondary. This news if true shifts Blevins to an aggressive instigator position who made the first move with an idea already in his mind - which fits with the aggressive nature Gray portrayed Blevins as having.     

So much for Blevins' lame-assed excuses and reasons if this is true. It shows us the real Blevins - the aggressor Blevins who instigated the idea of a book and set it in motion.

Trust me on this!  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Georger,
READ THE THREAD!!!  (Sorry, I couldn't help myself....I'm kidding) ;D ;D ;D ;D

Here is a link from DZ where YOU commented on the whole who contacted who first.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4644124#4644124
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 31, 2014, 12:57:56 PM
Here is an example I found....

“In May of 2009, Skipp Porteous of Sherlock Investigations contacted me,” Blevins said.

Blevins said he had commented on Porteous’ blog, inquiring about the private investigator's plans to write a book on Cooper/Christiansen.

According to this report. Robert was the one who made contact first....

http://www.auburn-reporter.com/community/94334624.html#

And then we have the email from Skipp confirming this....

"Robert read the article in New York magazine. He wrote to say I ever wanted to read book he's my man."

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 31, 2014, 01:12:10 PM
I don't see anything wrong with Robert contacting Skipp. it's just a little misleading. Robert has a pattern of this, along with jumping to conclusions on just about everything. if someone has a 1980 Datsun 280Z, Robert will say the guy is sporting a fancy foreign sports car.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 31, 2014, 02:50:32 PM
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The above post reveals a deeper issue: who is Skipp Porteous really?  That has to be addressed.

- Does Skipp has a rare neurological disorder that causes aphasia?

- Does he really fault the FBI for not interviewing "all" of the employees of NWO, 35 years before Kenny became a suspect?

- How serious are his communication difficulties?  If he can post on Facebook, why not DropZone?

- No one that I know reports communication difficulties with Skipp. I spoke with the new owners of Sherlock Investigations, and they never suggested that Skipp had any impediments.  Plus, they told me that Skipp had moved to Montreal, which he clearly has not done.  Further, the apartment managers at his old office/apartment also told me that he had moved to Montreal, about six months prior.  In addition, no one at the apartment said Skipp had any apparent neurological disorders.

So, I'm asking why there are so many mysteries about this old PI, particularly one who writes a real crappy book about DB Cooper and doesn't 'fess up to it.

usual causes of aphasia in adults are accidents (auto accidents) and brain tumors or strokes.

According to the National Aphasia Association, about 25% to 40% of people who survive a stroke get aphasia. Aphasia may also be caused by a brain tumor, brain infection, or dementia such as Alzheimer's disease. In some cases, aphasia is a symptom of epilepsy or other neurological disorder.

The BIG news to me is that Blevins was the one who sought, pursued, and suggested a book to Porteous as a result of Blevins reading the Gray article on Christiansen - which goes to the "transactions I don't want to relate" aspect Gray spoke to me about, concerning Blevins. Blevins has Porteous seeking him out! Blevins previously portrayed himself as neutral and secondary. This news if true shifts Blevins to an aggressive instigator position who made the first move with an idea already in his mind - which fits with the aggressive nature Gray portrayed Blevins as having.     

So much for Blevins' lame-assed excuses and reasons if this is true. It shows us the real Blevins - the aggressor Blevins who instigated the idea of a book and set it in motion.

Trust me on this!  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Georger,
READ THE THREAD!!!  (Sorry, I couldn't help myself....I'm kidding) ;D ;D ;D ;D

Here is a link from DZ where YOU commented on the whole who contacted who first.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4644124#4644124

That post was made on the basis of the information I had at the time, a good share of which came from Blevins'
himself at Dropzone, but also from general comments Gray had made about Blevins.

Ive always been trying to connect threads of things from a number of sources. The new info now connects threads from several sources including Gray, IF the new info is reliable.

I still consider all of this "back story". It has nothing to do with the Cooper case.

I have always wondered why Blevins has been so harsh and quick about attacking other people' stories, when it may turn out his own story is questionable! If the new info is correct, one could very easily interpret all of Blevins' words and actions as nothing more than a diversion, trying to cover his own tracks. Why would he goes to these lengths telling people he is only interested in the "truth", when it may be he is the one who has been involved in a BIG LIE right from the start.

One question I asked Geoff was "why has he come to Dropzone?". Geoff laughed and replied: "To get material. He doesn't know anything about the Cooper case. Anything you give him he will use." (Because he knows nothing about the Cooper case, in the first place) It's four years later and quite often he doesn't appear to have learned anything while also playing an expert on all manner of subjects... Blevins began competing the instant he appeared at DZ and the people he first challenged and attacked were people like Sluggo, and others.

Blevins wants to take over the DB Cooper case. That appears to have been his goal from the beginning.
 


 

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 31, 2014, 02:54:59 PM
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I don't see anything wrong with Robert contacting Skipp. it's just a little misleading. Robert has a pattern of this, along with jumping to conclusions on just about everything. if someone has a 1980 Datsun 280Z, Robert will say the guy is sporting a fancy foreign sports car.

Or a member of the "Cooper Royalty"!

Having an inferiority complex the size of the Moon seems to be fundamental to trolls trying to take over the DB Cooper platform. Jo Weber and Blevins are alike in that regard. It is very much a personal matter with them which expresses itself not just in their Cooper adventures but in all other aspects of their lives also. I wonder what the Cooper world would be like without them!

Did Porteous let Blevins take over the book aspect of his work because Skipp knew back then he was failing health-wise?

Maybe more important is 'why' are people like Blevins and Weber so compelling, in the first place, that they garner so much attention over such a long period of time? One fact is they are working against the huge unresolved vacuum which is the Cooper case itself! They are able to fill this void with bullshit stacked 100 miles high! 

   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on August 31, 2014, 03:26:04 PM
Blevin's seems to be the one without egg on his face when it comes to what has unraveled in this "Cooking Theme". I question his story, and try to stay out of the politics around him. his story is not anywhere close to something solid. he shuts everyone out whining and claiming trust issue's? It's my understanding that this is exactly what these forums are created for, to explore the case, along with the suspects. I seriously doubt that the conversations with Skipp are supposedly someone else. Robert should have given proof of this months ago. he did the same thing with KC's military records. it's a game to him. why DZ allows this to occur is beyond my thoughts.

He has sent the FBI everything he has about KC, and zip happened. he tries to claim it might be resting in a cabinet. it's the opposite. they do look at anything coming in, and will not continue the investigation unless they feel something sparks the flame. we have several FBI agents telling the same thing publicly for all to see that Kenny is not a viable suspect. unless the FBI comes out and states it for the record, Robert will go to his grave just like Jo with there claims of who Cooper is. they both continue to say "you can't prove he wasn't Cooper" neither has come close to that.

I don't believe Robert has honest intentions with KC. he lives right in the backyard of the Seattle FBI. ordinarily a truthful person will harp, just as Robert does to everyone else to the FBI begging them to look at what he has. instead he sends everything to them? that's not anyone in line for salesman of the year I'll yell ya that much. I would be at the FBI every chance I got to insure they give this a chance if I was that dead set of someone's guilt. I think the truth is exactly what he doesn't want to hear IMO.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on August 31, 2014, 05:05:59 PM
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Blevin's seems to be the one without egg on his face when it comes to what has unraveled in this "Cooking Theme". I question his story, and try to stay out of the politics around him. his story is not anywhere close to something solid. he shuts everyone out whining and claiming trust issue's? It's my understanding that this is exactly what these forums are created for, to explore the case, along with the suspects. I seriously doubt that the conversations with Skipp are supposedly someone else. Robert should have given proof of this months ago. he did the same thing with KC's military records. it's a game to him. why DZ allows this to occur is beyond my thoughts.

He has sent the FBI everything he has about KC, and zip happened. he tries to claim it might be resting in a cabinet. it's the opposite. they do look at anything coming in, and will not continue the investigation unless they feel something sparks the flame. we have several FBI agents telling the same thing publicly for all to see that Kenny is not a viable suspect. unless the FBI comes out and states it for the record, Robert will go to his grave just like Jo with there claims of who Cooper is. they both continue to say "you can't prove he wasn't Cooper" neither has come close to that.

I don't believe Robert has honest intentions with KC. he lives right in the backyard of the Seattle FBI. ordinarily a truthful person will harp, just as Robert does to everyone else to the FBI begging them to look at what he has. instead he sends everything to them? that's not anyone in line for salesman of the year I'll yell ya that much. I would be at the FBI every chance I got to insure they give this a chance if I was that dead set of someone's guilt. I think the truth is exactly what he doesn't want to hear IMO.

Blevins came out of the chute attacking people. His first two targets were Sluggo and Cook! I'm sitting at DZ asking myself - who is this guy!? Gray and I were scheduled to talk anyway so finally when Gray and I were talking I simply asked: "Who is Robert M Blevins?". Gray's reply was *very negative and cautionary. Have nothing to do with THAT GUY! I kept this all to myself for some months just watching the drama unfold at DZ. Every time Blevins would write something negative about Cook, Jo would chime in. It became their mantra on DZ. Meanwhile Cook isn't saying much of anything at least to me, privately.

Finally at length, Cook broke his silence about Blevins, with me. Cook wrote and simply said: 'That RMB is full of crap. The FBI ruled out Kenny a long time ago, and I already went public with information I have about Lyle, that Blevins doesn't want publicized'. Cook didn't even explain what that info was! Cook seemed very reluctant to disclose what the 'info' was.  Perhaps ten emails later from me prodding Cook to reveal his 'info', Cook finally replies: 'Lyle did an interview where he admitted the whole Kenny story was made up and he doesn't even believe Kenny was Cooper! All Lyle is after is a movie script which is why he went to Porteous in the first place.'  Cook goes on to explain the whole Lyle~Porteous story involving Lyle going to New York City to find a movie producer, the same producer who had done 'Sleepless in Seattle', and blah bah blah b;ah blah... and at the end of this Cook explains:
'Lyle did an interview with a radio talk host I know and admitted the whole thing was nothing more than a "good idea for a movie script' ....... but still Cook doesn't reveal the talk show hosts name!

Now I begin prodding Cook more. I tell him: "You have to go public with this information!"       

More emails later Cook finally reveals the talk show hosts name, Fitzsimmons. I find Fitzsimmon and call him. Mr. Fiutzsimmon is up front about the whole thing! I now write Sluggo with this information asking Sluggo 'what should I do?' and Sluggo never replies. Cook and I have a few more exchanges about this, and finally I  post some suggestion to Blevins on Dropzone that 'there is an interview Lyle did - tell us about that', and Blevins ignores the whole thing.  But before I can post the full story on DZ Farflung comes out of nowhere confirming there was an interview and also challenges Blevins to "fess up about the interview". Blevins ignores it again so, I post the whole story including Fiitzsimmons name at Dropzone. Blevins immediately denies Lyle ever did any such interview and calls me a liar!

We know the outcome of all of that. Blevins then moved to denying Lyle ever said any of what Fitzsimmon and Cook say Lyle said, and Blevins still denies it to this day.

Cook is no angel. That I admit. But Cook is pissed because of all of the personal attacks Blevins has launched against him. I think it finally got to Cook, just as other people have finally bowed to Blevins' attacks. 377 didn't dub Blevins the Venom Magnet for no reason!

Blevins whole problem with Cook is that Cook has actual information about the Cooper case, and Blevins cannot compete with that - so of course Blevins must brand Cook a liar, just as Blevins has branded me and others all liars and worse! Blevins' attacks are always viscous and personal - just like Weber's.

Yes, Cook is very pissed! But he is not alone with regard to Mr. Blevins, and you can Trust me on this! (Blevins favorite phrase).  :) :) ;) ;) ;)

The Mike Fitzsimmons interview of Lyle was real - and nobody needs to take Cook's word for that, and there are countless other such examples.

Mr. Cook and Mr. Blevins are not even in the same league, and that is a glaring fact Blevins can never overcome. ..
on Cook's worst day ever!

 


 

 




Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on August 31, 2014, 11:21:23 PM
We can say what we want about Robert Blevins, but what do we say about Skip Porteous.  In the email that Robert posted over at DZ, he states that he still thinks Kenny was Cooper. This is a professional private eye.  What does that say about him?

The preface of "Into the Blast" summarizes the case as Kenny lived a different life before and after the hijacking?  Did he?  Shutter and Smokin found out Kenny did NOT buy his house for cash.   In fact, the sellers took out a 50% loan on it, which Kenny assumed.  Where did the rest come from?  It would seem, the most likely scenario is he gave the sellers a note for the rest.  Now, Robert says he knows the truth about how Kenny paid for the rest of it, but refused to say until August, and then won't say at all?  Why, I have to believe he doesn't know.  I'm off on a tangent on this, but my point is why did a professional PI like Skip Porteous accept Robert's statements that Kenny bought all of this real estate for cash without ever checking.  Robert might not know any better than to accept tales from his witnesses without checking up on them, but Skip should.

Skip might be done answering emails, but if not, I'd like to see him state his reasons why he believes Kenny is the hijacker.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 12:07:16 AM
Well, from what I'm finding out about Skipp is he specialized in electronic surveillance. I don't know if he was a private Eye, or not. this could explain why he missed so much about the records. someone dropped the ball somewhere in this saga.

http://www.sherlockinvestigations.com/

I don't see any changes in Kenny's lifestyle. changing into a farmer is hardly proof of anything. buying a 30+ year old small home doesn't really cut it either. it's all in how it's being presented. lots of people fall for stories like this because they don't research anything. it's pretty easy to fool the public. the Government does it all the time  8)

Before anything was uncovered, Robert was telling everyone to call the witnesses if you don't believe me. check for yourself etc. once things started turning sour, he then starts in with the trust issues, and trying to discredit anyone looking into his case. he even went as far as to warn them of possible contacts. I'm beginning to wonder if a new PDF has even been made. 50 pages? it must have about 20-50 words per page bulking it up with photo's. the FBI doesn't seem to be interested in anything about Kenny. I've said it many times. KC has long been in the spotlight long enough to draw attention to the FBI, and any living members that were on flight 305. you have a book sent to the FBI, I'm sure Decoded was watched by lots of LE, and then the botched PDF he sent with major problems he tries to brush off as minimal. what happened to the reporter weeks ago that supposedly contacted him? I've asked him many times to produce the ad in the paper asking about the money found on the property. it's all smoke and mirrors.

I sent another email to Mike Fitzsimmons in hopes of verifying the interview with Lyle. I sent one months ago, and never got a response. it's not the point of me not believing the interview, but hard evidence is nice to have. Robert will just continue to say it never happened.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 01, 2014, 12:56:31 AM
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Well, from what I'm finding out about Skipp is he specialized in electronic surveillance. I don't know if he was a private Eye, or not. this could explain why he missed so much about the records. someone dropped the ball somewhere in this saga.

http://www.sherlockinvestigations.com/

I don't see any changes in Kenny's lifestyle. changing into a farmer is hardly proof of anything. buying a 30+ year old small home doesn't really cut it either. it's all in how it's being presented. lots of people fall for stories like this because they don't research anything. it's pretty easy to fool the public. the Government does it all the time  8)

Before anything was uncovered, Robert was telling everyone to call the witnesses if you don't believe me. check for yourself etc. once things started turning sour, he then starts in with the trust issues, and trying to discredit anyone looking into his case. he even went as far as to warn them of possible contacts. I'm beginning to wonder if a new PDF has even been made. 50 pages? it must have about 20-50 words per page bulking it up with photo's. the FBI doesn't seem to be interested in anything about Kenny. I've said it many times. KC has long been in the spotlight long enough to draw attention to the FBI, and any living members that were on flight 305. you have a book sent to the FBI, I'm sure Decoded was watched by lots of LE, and then the botched PDF he sent with major problems he tries to brush off as minimal. what happened to the reporter weeks ago that supposedly contacted him? I've asked him many times to produce the ad in the paper asking about the money found on the property. it's all smoke and mirrors.

I sent another email to Mike Fitzsimmons in hopes of verifying the interview with Lyle. I sent one months ago, and never got a response. it's not the point of me not believing the interview, but hard evidence is nice to have. Robert will just continue to say it never happened.

I dont know what Fitzsimmons' current situation is, maybe Galen does, but I wouldn't mind contacting him personally and seeing if he will respond to your emails, or anyone eases' emails for that matter. Mike was very forthcoming with me and verified everything Galen claimed about the interview. What shocked me at the time was Farflung! I know more than mentioned an interview by a talk show host on DZ, Blevins ignored it, then Farflung
jumps in and names the radio station! How Farflung knew or was able to find this with no more information is totally beyond me. With that Blevins responded, and denied everything. Farflung was a constant source of amazement whoever he is.

Geoff Gray would know what Porteous' thinking was in the KC matter, but again it's unlikely Gray will ever say anything.

The bottom line is, neither Blevins or Porteous have presented a compelling case in favor of Christiansen.
   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 01:20:43 AM
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Well, from what I'm finding out about Skipp is he specialized in electronic surveillance. I don't know if he was a private Eye, or not. this could explain why he missed so much about the records. someone dropped the ball somewhere in this saga.

http://www.sherlockinvestigations.com/

I don't see any changes in Kenny's lifestyle. changing into a farmer is hardly proof of anything. buying a 30+ year old small home doesn't really cut it either. it's all in how it's being presented. lots of people fall for stories like this because they don't research anything. it's pretty easy to fool the public. the Government does it all the time  8)

Before anything was uncovered, Robert was telling everyone to call the witnesses if you don't believe me. check for yourself etc. once things started turning sour, he then starts in with the trust issues, and trying to discredit anyone looking into his case. he even went as far as to warn them of possible contacts. I'm beginning to wonder if a new PDF has even been made. 50 pages? it must have about 20-50 words per page bulking it up with photo's. the FBI doesn't seem to be interested in anything about Kenny. I've said it many times. KC has long been in the spotlight long enough to draw attention to the FBI, and any living members that were on flight 305. you have a book sent to the FBI, I'm sure Decoded was watched by lots of LE, and then the botched PDF he sent with major problems he tries to brush off as minimal. what happened to the reporter weeks ago that supposedly contacted him? I've asked him many times to produce the ad in the paper asking about the money found on the property. it's all smoke and mirrors.

I sent another email to Mike Fitzsimmons in hopes of verifying the interview with Lyle. I sent one months ago, and never got a response. it's not the point of me not believing the interview, but hard evidence is nice to have. Robert will just continue to say it never happened.

I dont know what Fitzsimmons' current situation is, maybe Galen does, but I wouldn't mind contacting him personally and seeing if he will respond to your emails, or anyone eases' emails for that matter. Mike was very forthcoming with me and verified everything Galen claimed about the interview. What shocked me at the time was Farflung! I know more than mentioned an interview by a talk show host on DZ, Blevins ignored it, then Farflung
jumps in and names the radio station! How Farflung knew or was able to find this with no more information is totally beyond me. With that Blevins responded, and denied everything. Farflung was a constant source of amazement whoever he is.

Geoff Gray would know what Porteous' thinking was in the KC matter, but again it's unlikely Gray will ever say anything.

The bottom line is, neither Blevins or Porteous have presented a compelling case in favor of Christiansen.
 


That's exactly what we need. either a response from him through my email, or someone contacting him. Robert will simply continue to deny it. the more proof we have, the less he has to twist & turn. proving Lyle stated those things outside of us will be the best thing done IMO. you don't have to sell me. I believe the interview happened, but that's me.....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 01, 2014, 01:49:15 AM
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Well, from what I'm finding out about Skipp is he specialized in electronic surveillance. I don't know if he was a private Eye, or not. this could explain why he missed so much about the records. someone dropped the ball somewhere in this saga.

http://www.sherlockinvestigations.com/

I don't see any changes in Kenny's lifestyle. changing into a farmer is hardly proof of anything. buying a 30+ year old small home doesn't really cut it either. it's all in how it's being presented. lots of people fall for stories like this because they don't research anything. it's pretty easy to fool the public. the Government does it all the time  8)

Before anything was uncovered, Robert was telling everyone to call the witnesses if you don't believe me. check for yourself etc. once things started turning sour, he then starts in with the trust issues, and trying to discredit anyone looking into his case. he even went as far as to warn them of possible contacts. I'm beginning to wonder if a new PDF has even been made. 50 pages? it must have about 20-50 words per page bulking it up with photo's. the FBI doesn't seem to be interested in anything about Kenny. I've said it many times. KC has long been in the spotlight long enough to draw attention to the FBI, and any living members that were on flight 305. you have a book sent to the FBI, I'm sure Decoded was watched by lots of LE, and then the botched PDF he sent with major problems he tries to brush off as minimal. what happened to the reporter weeks ago that supposedly contacted him? I've asked him many times to produce the ad in the paper asking about the money found on the property. it's all smoke and mirrors.

I sent another email to Mike Fitzsimmons in hopes of verifying the interview with Lyle. I sent one months ago, and never got a response. it's not the point of me not believing the interview, but hard evidence is nice to have. Robert will just continue to say it never happened.

I dont know what Fitzsimmons' current situation is, maybe Galen does, but I wouldn't mind contacting him personally and seeing if he will respond to your emails, or anyone eases' emails for that matter. Mike was very forthcoming with me and verified everything Galen claimed about the interview. What shocked me at the time was Farflung! I know more than mentioned an interview by a talk show host on DZ, Blevins ignored it, then Farflung
jumps in and names the radio station! How Farflung knew or was able to find this with no more information is totally beyond me. With that Blevins responded, and denied everything. Farflung was a constant source of amazement whoever he is.

Geoff Gray would know what Porteous' thinking was in the KC matter, but again it's unlikely Gray will ever say anything.

The bottom line is, neither Blevins or Porteous have presented a compelling case in favor of Christiansen.
 


That's exactly what we need. either a response from him through my email, or someone contacting him. Robert will simply continue to deny it. the more proof we have, the less he has to twist & turn. proving Lyle stated those things outside of us will be the best thing done IMO. you don't have to sell me. I believe the interview happened, but that's me.....

Oh, maybe I misspoke. RMB no longer denies the interview happened, he denies Lyle said what everyone (and the transcript) says Lyle said. He moved all the way from calling me a Liar to "Lyle says he didn't say what you say".

I will still hook you or anyone else up with Fitzsimmons if you want. Just remember this was Cook's story. Without Cook I would never have known about the Fitzsimmons interview.


 

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 02:03:36 AM
That's all the more why we need proof. he just flip flops it around going right into damage control. all the credit can go to Coop. I don't really care. this is a smoking gun IMO, and needs to be presented. I don't understand why Coop wishes to hold back, but I guess he has his reasons.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 01, 2014, 04:24:59 PM
Looked up Larry Carr's "Ckret" posts on DZ and have just started reading the first few.

I got the impression Carr at first tried to pretend it wasn't him posting, and then amongst his very early posts was a claim DBC didn't specifically instruct Rataczak to set the flaps at 15 degrees.

Interesting! Will read on.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 04:31:49 PM
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Looked up Larry Carr's "Ckret" posts on DZ and have just started reading the first few.

I got the impression Carr at first tried to pretend it wasn't him posting, and then amongst his very early posts was a claim DBC didn't specifically instruct Rataczak to set the flaps at 15 degrees.

Interesting! Will read on.

I believe he made a mythbusting type post about what Cooper requested. I thought I had that post. still looking.. ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 01, 2014, 04:35:38 PM
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Looked up Larry Carr's "Ckret" posts on DZ and have just started reading the first few.

I got the impression Carr at first tried to pretend it wasn't him posting, and then amongst his very early posts was a claim DBC didn't specifically instruct Rataczak to set the flaps at 15 degrees.

Interesting! Will read on.

I believe he made a mythbusting type post about what Cooper requested. I thought I had that post. still looking.. ;D

Yes, maybe?

It was something along the lines of "just because he requested the aircraft travel at 200 mph doesn't necessarily mean he told then what flap setting they'd require to achieve that."

I'll have to wait til I log in at work. I forgot my DZ password months ago. But my office PC seems to get me straight in - not so at home.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 01, 2014, 04:54:19 PM
Welcome KidCooper. I'm only too pleased to pass the baton to you of the newest member here.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 04:56:31 PM
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Welcome KidCooper. I'm only too pleased to pass the baton to you of the newest member here.


You still have your name at the top of the members list though. probably take a while to tumble that one  ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 01, 2014, 05:00:14 PM
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Welcome KidCooper. I'm only too pleased to pass the baton to you of the newest member here.

You still have your name at the top of the members list though. probably take a while to tumble that one  ;D ;D :D

I carried my name across here. So it wasn't completely by intent  8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Coopsnoop on September 01, 2014, 05:37:11 PM
His name is Mike Fitzsimmons.  The AM radio station in Spokane, WA is KXLY, and Fitzsimmons comes on for two hours during the weekdays from 4p to 6p.  Fitzsimmons show is live, call-in and heard throughout Eastern WA, Idaho, MT, and parts of Utah.  He is an attorney, college professor, 40-years in radio, and one hell of an interrogator.  I was in the studio live with Fitzsimmons in 2007 when he got Lyle Christianson from MN on the phone.  I debated Lyle and he confessed that he had no idea at all about his brother being DB Cooper, and that he made up the entire story to get a possible fictional film script. Fitzsimmons ripped Lyle a new one with the follow-up interrogation over the radio.  Call Fitzsimmons at KXLY and ask him personally about this story.
On another note, I had a lady friend who attended Auburn Days this year and she investigated around and told me that no police were on the lookout for me or Bruce Smith.  In fact, she told me that the Auburn police considered Robert Blevins a nuisance to the community.  Furthermore, she listened to RMB at the Theater in Auburn and she told me that RMB is "terrible as a speaker, a timid man in front of live people, shifty-eyed, and not worth going to see ever again."  Her words, not mine.  And she said his book was "crap."
So, Mr. Blevins, you have a big following at the DropZone.  I guess it doesn't include Skipp Porteous, your co-author, who wants to avoid you at all costs, to spare him further embarrassment.  He'd like to enjoy the remainder of his life in peace.  He did enjoy talking with Bruce Smith, however, who sort of put him on the spot about his relationship with Blevins.  Skipp is too much of a gentleman to tell it like it is with himself and Robert Blevins.  Not so with Geoff Gray, Georger, Sluggo, the WSHM, Clyde, Geestman.........and the rest of the list is too large for Shutter's great webpage...........who incidentally, pre-banned Robert Blevins for life. 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 05:50:13 PM
I would like to get something from Fitz. Blevins will never accept it from any of us. lets defuse the situation until more things come into view. we are all aware there could be issue's with Skipp, and Robert. I don't mind discussing his story, or other things, but this has ran it's course.....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 01, 2014, 06:25:51 PM
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Looked up Larry Carr's "Ckret" posts on DZ and have just started reading the first few.

I got the impression Carr at first tried to pretend it wasn't him posting, and then amongst his very early posts was a claim DBC didn't specifically instruct Rataczak to set the flaps at 15 degrees.

Interesting! Will read on.

I believe he made a mythbusting type post about what Cooper requested. I thought I had that post. still looking.. ;D

"Cooper never requested a speed or degree of flap setting" - Ckret.

"Cooper makes demands with no real specifics to people who operate with specifics" - Ckret.

"My guess is 15 degrees is the most optimal setting, so when the pilot radioed the demands he simply added the “15 degrees” - Ckret.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 06:38:02 PM
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Looked up Larry Carr's "Ckret" posts on DZ and have just started reading the first few.

I got the impression Carr at first tried to pretend it wasn't him posting, and then amongst his very early posts was a claim DBC didn't specifically instruct Rataczak to set the flaps at 15 degrees.

Interesting! Will read on.

I believe he made a mythbusting type post about what Cooper requested. I thought I had that post. still looking.. ;D

"Cooper never requested a speed or degree of flap setting" - Ckret.

"Cooper makes demands with no real specifics to people who operate with specifics" - Ckret.

"My guess is 15 degrees is the most optimal setting, so when the pilot radioed the demands he simply added the “15 degrees” - Ckret.


Yes, early in the flight Rataczak went to 30 degree's. this was wasting valuable fuel, they went back to 15 degree's prior to arriving in the Toledo area.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 01, 2014, 08:16:03 PM
My recollection is that Rataczak told me that Cooper specifically asked him to set the flaps "at 15." That was one of the primary reasons Bill thought Cooper was "a pretty smart guy."

Are you guys gonna make me go look through my notes for verification?

Sigh.

One of the issues I have with Larry is that he didn't check his records very well.  He missed the Hayden thing, and bought into Cossey's canard fully.

As for the flap thing, hmmmm.  I think it comes down to a preponderance of evidence.

Remember, Larry is also the Birth Father of the Propeller Theory. So, just because Larry says something doesn't make it 100% USDA certified Gospel Truth.

Can I get an Amen on that?  Or are 377 and others still gonna give me crap about that?  Whadda I gotta do - get Skippy, our new Christian Author*, to ask Jesus for a sign?


* 1991 publication of Jesus Doesn't Live Around Here Anymore.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 08:29:10 PM
I shall wait.....until others reply  ;D you MIGHT be correct. according to the transcripts the HJ-r did say 15 degree's....see photo
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 09:40:40 PM
Interesting post by Bruce on DZ about Skipp. I didn't see any indications of any problems. no missing words, nothing out of the ordinary? why the change all of the sudden?

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 01, 2014, 11:04:07 PM
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I shall wait.....until others reply  ;D you MIGHT be correct. according to the transcripts the HJ-r did say 15 degree's....see photo

There are varying accounts on so many of the "facts" in this case, and from the very top, that it's almost comical. Is it unkind to suggest: little wonder they never caught the guy?

I read on from those initial few comments Ckret (Carr) made on DZ about the flaps & 15 degrees, and it was a long time before he bothered posting again.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 01, 2014, 11:08:02 PM
While I was searching for Ckret's next post after the flaps comment at DZ I noticed a poster who got banned after making just the one post. He cranked up a certain dragon woman and his avatar was Duane's pic turned upside down  ;D

(and before anyone suggests anything it wasn't me)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 11:16:10 PM
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While I was searching for Ckret's next post after the flaps comment at DZ I noticed a poster who got banned after making just the one post. He cranked up a certain dragon woman and his avatar was Duane's pic turned upside down  ;D

(and before anyone suggests anything it wasn't me)


I remember reading that  ;D the first thread was locked down, and it's been a rollercoaster of trouble even after the new thread came about. Jo, and Robert are extremely hard to get along with. very confrontational. both believe there suspect is Cooper, both use the same M.O. and both clog up the forum stating the same things over, and over......


Round 235 is on at the DZ about Skipp again....Robert will go pages , and pages...
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 01, 2014, 11:28:49 PM
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While I was searching for Ckret's next post after the flaps comment at DZ I noticed a poster who got banned after making just the one post. He cranked up a certain dragon woman and his avatar was Duane's pic turned upside down  ;D

(and before anyone suggests anything it wasn't me)

I remember reading that  ;D the first thread was locked down, and it's been a rollercoaster of trouble even after the new thread came about. Jo, and Robert are extremely hard to get along with. very confrontational. both believe there suspect is Cooper, both use the same M.O. and both clog up the forum stating the same things over, and over......

Round 235 is on at the DZ about Skipp again....Robert will go pages , and pages...

I read Robert Blevins' book prior to knowing who he was or reading any of his posts. Not long after I felt embarrassed for him whilst watching him fumble and bumble about in a Youtube video he'd made. I wish someone would give the guy a polite nudge to pull that video down.

I read a post from him on DZ fairly recently where RB said words to the effect of "I like everybody else just want to find out the truth."

I may well be wrong, but from what I read of RB, I'm not so sure the truth is what he is looking for.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 01, 2014, 11:32:16 PM
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While I was searching for Ckret's next post after the flaps comment at DZ I noticed a poster who got banned after making just the one post. He cranked up a certain dragon woman and his avatar was Duane's pic turned upside down  ;D

(and before anyone suggests anything it wasn't me)

I dont recall who that poster was, but it was a standard Jo Weber defense move to ban the guy.

Ckret got put down once after arguing with Quade, came back, then left on his own.

Quade's position on the whole thread was 'researching Cooper is a waste of time', which is strange since he started the thread (to help Jo Weber out, but definitely at her insistence). I still don't know how Jo Weber and Paul Quade ever got together! How they met? How the idea of a thread was hashed out? I was not there to know. We were all at a different Cooper forum on another website (Websleuths).

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 11:34:02 PM
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While I was searching for Ckret's next post after the flaps comment at DZ I noticed a poster who got banned after making just the one post. He cranked up a certain dragon woman and his avatar was Duane's pic turned upside down  ;D

(and before anyone suggests anything it wasn't me)

I remember reading that  ;D the first thread was locked down, and it's been a rollercoaster of trouble even after the new thread came about. Jo, and Robert are extremely hard to get along with. very confrontational. both believe there suspect is Cooper, both use the same M.O. and both clog up the forum stating the same things over, and over......

Round 235 is on at the DZ about Skipp again....Robert will go pages , and pages...

I read Robert Blevins' book prior to knowing who he was or reading any of his posts. Not long after I felt embarrassed for him whilst watching him fumble and bumble about in a Youtube video he'd made. I wish someone would give the guy a polite nudge to pull that video down.

I read a post from him on DZ fairly recently where RB said words to the effect of "I like everybody else just want to find out the truth."

I may well be wrong, but from what I read of RB, I'm not so sure the truth is what he is looking for.


Correct again. anytime some truth comes his way about KC. he quickly marks you as untrustworthy. he was on top of the world before we started looking into the case. he went into shut down mode quickly. I'm a little set back that others don't see that on DZ...
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 01, 2014, 11:35:01 PM
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While I was searching for Ckret's next post after the flaps comment at DZ I noticed a poster who got banned after making just the one post. He cranked up a certain dragon woman and his avatar was Duane's pic turned upside down  ;D

(and before anyone suggests anything it wasn't me)

I remember reading that  ;D the first thread was locked down, and it's been a rollercoaster of trouble even after the new thread came about. Jo, and Robert are extremely hard to get along with. very confrontational. both believe there suspect is Cooper, both use the same M.O. and both clog up the forum stating the same things over, and over......

Round 235 is on at the DZ about Skipp again....Robert will go pages , and pages...

I read Robert Blevins' book prior to knowing who he was or reading any of his posts. Not long after I felt embarrassed for him whilst watching him fumble and bumble about in a Youtube video he'd made. I wish someone would give the guy a polite nudge to pull that video down.

I read a post from him on DZ fairly recently where RB said words to the effect of "I like everybody else just want to find out the truth."

I may well be wrong, but from what I read of RB, I'm not so sure the truth is what he is looking for.

It's all a sham. That's why I call him Sham Wow. Truth is the last thing on his agenda. Blevins is an inveterate liar. Plain and simple. His list of outright lies is endless ....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on September 02, 2014, 01:13:52 AM
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While I was searching for Ckret's next post after the flaps comment at DZ I noticed a poster who got banned after making just the one post. He cranked up a certain dragon woman and his avatar was Duane's pic turned upside down  ;D

(and before anyone suggests anything it wasn't me)

I remember reading that  ;D the first thread was locked down, and it's been a rollercoaster of trouble even after the new thread came about. Jo, and Robert are extremely hard to get along with. very confrontational. both believe there suspect is Cooper, both use the same M.O. and both clog up the forum stating the same things over, and over......

Round 235 is on at the DZ about Skipp again....Robert will go pages , and pages...

I read Robert Blevins' book prior to knowing who he was or reading any of his posts. Not long after I felt embarrassed for him whilst watching him fumble and bumble about in a Youtube video he'd made. I wish someone would give the guy a polite nudge to pull that video down.

I read a post from him on DZ fairly recently where RB said words to the effect of "I like everybody else just want to find out the truth."

I may well be wrong, but from what I read of RB, I'm not so sure the truth is what he is looking for.

It's all a sham. That's why I call him Sham Wow. Truth is the last thing on his agenda. Blevins is an inveterate liar. Plain and simple. His list of outright lies is endless ....

Just curious....and I am curious, because I do it, too.

Why do we even care or bother to comment on what Blevins writes.

Bob Knoss posts, but it's so implausible we just roll our eyes.

We don't discuss Jo's long posts that try to tie odd things together.

Gray Cop wasn't worthy of discussion.

Robert has about as much evidence for Kenny as these others.  Yet, for some reason, we feel compelled to respond and discuss.  Why?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 02, 2014, 02:56:19 AM
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While I was searching for Ckret's next post after the flaps comment at DZ I noticed a poster who got banned after making just the one post. He cranked up a certain dragon woman and his avatar was Duane's pic turned upside down  ;D

(and before anyone suggests anything it wasn't me)

I remember reading that  ;D the first thread was locked down, and it's been a rollercoaster of trouble even after the new thread came about. Jo, and Robert are extremely hard to get along with. very confrontational. both believe there suspect is Cooper, both use the same M.O. and both clog up the forum stating the same things over, and over......

Round 235 is on at the DZ about Skipp again....Robert will go pages , and pages...

I read Robert Blevins' book prior to knowing who he was or reading any of his posts. Not long after I felt embarrassed for him whilst watching him fumble and bumble about in a Youtube video he'd made. I wish someone would give the guy a polite nudge to pull that video down.

I read a post from him on DZ fairly recently where RB said words to the effect of "I like everybody else just want to find out the truth."

I may well be wrong, but from what I read of RB, I'm not so sure the truth is what he is looking for.

It's all a sham. That's why I call him Sham Wow. Truth is the last thing on his agenda. Blevins is an inveterate liar. Plain and simple. His list of outright lies is endless ....

Just curious....and I am curious, because I do it, too.

Why do we even care or bother to comment on what Blevins writes.

Bob Knoss posts, but it's so implausible we just roll our eyes.

We don't discuss Jo's long posts that try to tie odd things together.

Gray Cop wasn't worthy of discussion.

Robert has about as much evidence for Kenny as these others.  Yet, for some reason, we feel compelled to respond and discuss.  Why?

Because of the intensity and breadth of his personal attacks and his corruption of general and technical matters, and he has a following it would appear.

He latest corruption of technical facts is below posted several days ago. (It would takeme an hour to unravel this crap point by point, and to no avail; he would just repeat it 50 more times).

see his photo commentary below -

ps: I know that's probably not a satisfactory answer.     



Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 02, 2014, 06:54:29 AM
Bob Knoss did cause a lot of problems while he was full time on DZ if you don't recall. I went back & forth with him constantly. 377 PM'd me all the time telling me to keep the pressure on him. lots of people confronted Jo as well. Robert goes beyond what others have done. he reminds me of a male Diane from cheers. always poking his nose in where it doesn't belong. he reminds me a lot of Knoss. he survives off others. he now has a paper bag theory that could of came from reading Jo's account. It also appears he read Skipp's Facebook page when he made the comment about the keyboard, and spilling of coffee vs orange juice. he is very similar to Knoss. lots of things go against KC, including the FBI stating he is no longer a suspect. he will not accept the description of Cooper, but has a problem if the flight path is moved? he doesn't follow logic, and constantly contradicts himself.
Title: Re: The name D.B. Cooper?
Post by: 18C on September 02, 2014, 11:40:39 PM
The Flight 305 skyjacker's boarding pass clearly reads "Dan Cooper". Yet outside of a few enthusiasts like ourselves, the world know him as D.B. Cooper.

There seem to be as many accounts of how he ended up D.B. Cooper as there are for how the money got to Tena Bar. Everything from oversight. To some kind of clever ploy by the F.B.I. have been suggested.

According to Geoffrey Gray, in his book Skyjack : "Himmelsbach claims an agent gave a reporter the initials of Daniel Barry Cooper, who was ruled out on the night of the hijacking after police located him."

How comfortable are the posters here with that explanation ? Is Ralph on the money, or do we file this one with his claim in the Decoded show that DBC sat in 18C??
Title: Re: The name D.B. Cooper?
Post by: georger on September 03, 2014, 01:51:12 AM
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The Flight 305 skyjacker's boarding pass clearly reads "Dan Cooper". Yet outside of a few enthusiasts like ourselves, the world know him as D.B. Cooper.

There seem to be as many accounts of how he ended up D.B. Cooper as there are for how the money got to Tena Bar. Everything from oversight. To some kind of clever ploy by the F.B.I. have been suggested.

According to Geoffrey Gray, in his book Skyjack : "Himmelsbach claims an agent gave a reporter the initials of Daniel Barry Cooper, who was ruled out on the night of the hijacking after police located him."

How comfortable are the posters here with that explanation ? Is Ralph on the money, or do we file this one with his claim in the Decoded show that DBC sat in 18C??

Confident. See Ckret posts on DZ.
Title: Re: The name D.B. Cooper?
Post by: 18C on September 03, 2014, 03:24:45 AM
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The Flight 305 skyjacker's boarding pass clearly reads "Dan Cooper". Yet outside of a few enthusiasts like ourselves, the world know him as D.B. Cooper.

There seem to be as many accounts of how he ended up D.B. Cooper as there are for how the money got to Tena Bar. Everything from oversight. To some kind of clever ploy by the F.B.I. have been suggested.

According to Geoffrey Gray, in his book Skyjack : "Himmelsbach claims an agent gave a reporter the initials of Daniel Barry Cooper, who was ruled out on the night of the hijacking after police located him."

How comfortable are the posters here with that explanation ? Is Ralph on the money, or do we file this one with his claim in the Decoded show that DBC sat in 18C??

Confident. See Ckret posts on DZ.

Will do mate. As mentioned earlier here I've just started reading the posts he made at DZ.
Title: Re: The name D.B. Cooper?
Post by: georger on September 04, 2014, 12:23:28 AM
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The Flight 305 skyjacker's boarding pass clearly reads "Dan Cooper". Yet outside of a few enthusiasts like ourselves, the world know him as D.B. Cooper.

There seem to be as many accounts of how he ended up D.B. Cooper as there are for how the money got to Tena Bar. Everything from oversight. To some kind of clever ploy by the F.B.I. have been suggested.

According to Geoffrey Gray, in his book Skyjack : "Himmelsbach claims an agent gave a reporter the initials of Daniel Barry Cooper, who was ruled out on the night of the hijacking after police located him."

How comfortable are the posters here with that explanation ? Is Ralph on the money, or do we file this one with his claim in the Decoded show that DBC sat in 18C??

Confident. See Ckret posts on DZ.

Will do mate. As mentioned earlier here I've just started reading the posts he made at DZ.

Even before the plane landed at Reno the FBI had a few suspects, one a DB Cooper in Washington; an Agent mentioned that to a reporter that evening and next thing everyone new the reporter had filed his story naming the hijacker as "D.B. Cooper" and the name stuck (was now being used by the media including CBS News!).

In the meantime "Daniel Barry Cooper" had been cleared - totally! The names or initials of other people includng Ted Mayfield could have been given too. Mayfield even called H that night to remove any suspicion from himself! It was a very fluid situation that night. But media reporters were looking to nail something down asap.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 04, 2014, 01:55:18 AM
I like the version that I wrote about in the book:

The flight manifest listed a "Cooper, D.," which the feds asked the Portland PD about.  The PPD detectives said they knew a small-time burglar named DB Cooper and the feds said to pick him up and interrogate him.  The AP reporter heard that the feds were looking for DB Cooper and his editors went with it globally.  It was true, but misleading.

I have never heard about Daniel Barry before.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 04, 2014, 02:04:26 AM
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I like the version that I wrote about in the book:

The flight manifest listed a "Cooper, D.," which the feds asked the Portland PD about.  The PPD detectives said they knew a small-time burglar named DB Cooper and the feds said to pick him up and interrogate him.  The AP reporter heard that the feds were looking for DB Cooper and his editors went with it globally.  It was true, but misleading.

I have never heard about Daniel Barry before.

Maybe Daniel Barry and small-time burglar named DB Cooper, are one and the same?

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 04, 2014, 02:11:46 AM
Mark Bennett writes in reply to Blevins:
[RobertMBlevins wrote:
My intention with Mr Kenny and Mr Bernie is pretty damn simple. It is NOT to somehow twist facts to 'prove' they were involved in the Cooper hijacking. It is to discover the truth on whether they were or not. It's a real easy concept. This is why I finally decided to go to the Geestman family, because it's a big family and I think the truth will eventually come out. It's pretty hard to keep such a big secret forever in families. Members of Geestman's extended family told me in their first interview that they had no clue Bernie was even suspected of being involved until they saw him on History Channel. He didn't even bother to tell them he was going to be on TV.]

I think this paragraph is telling...It's not that people think you want to twist the facts. It's that you BELIEVE that Kenny is the hijacker. As a result, you not only give more weight to information that supports the view, you view any information through that lens.

For example, in the quote above, you're saying none of Bernie's family had any knowledge of the hijacking. In fact, none of your witnesses claim any knowledge of the hijacking. You believe they do, and you're trying to extract that information. The most likely reason your witnesses don't claim to know anything is there is nothing for them to know.


What "people" are you talking about?  Fact is Mark, there are a large number of people you can exclude from your list of "people". You speak almost exclusively for yourself at this point!

Have a nice day... play it again Sam!    ;) ;) ;)     Do you want Mr. Blevins here in this forum? Because I will be glad to leave if you want that S.O.B. here!

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 04, 2014, 03:05:20 AM
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I like the version that I wrote about in the book:

The flight manifest listed a "Cooper, D.," which the feds asked the Portland PD about.  The PPD detectives said they knew a small-time burglar named DB Cooper and the feds said to pick him up and interrogate him.  The AP reporter heard that the feds were looking for DB Cooper and his editors went with it globally.  It was true, but misleading.

I have never heard about Daniel Barry before.

Maybe Daniel Barry and small-time burglar named DB Cooper, are one and the same?

Might be.  Probably are.

Funny thing about this forum - stick around long enough and you learn stuff.
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Post by: 18C on September 04, 2014, 03:23:38 AM
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I like the version that I wrote about in the book:

The flight manifest listed a "Cooper, D.," which the feds asked the Portland PD about.  The PPD detectives said they knew a small-time burglar named DB Cooper and the feds said to pick him up and interrogate him.  The AP reporter heard that the feds were looking for DB Cooper and his editors went with it globally.  It was true, but misleading.

I have never heard about Daniel Barry before.

Gray mentions it right at the back of his book. I think it appears in like an appendix at the very end.
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Post by: 18C on September 04, 2014, 03:24:47 AM
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I like the version that I wrote about in the book:

The flight manifest listed a "Cooper, D.," which the feds asked the Portland PD about.  The PPD detectives said they knew a small-time burglar named DB Cooper and the feds said to pick him up and interrogate him.  The AP reporter heard that the feds were looking for DB Cooper and his editors went with it globally.  It was true, but misleading.

I have never heard about Daniel Barry before.

Maybe Daniel Barry and small-time burglar named DB Cooper, are one and the same?

Very likely it would seem.
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Post by: MarkBennett on September 04, 2014, 10:45:59 AM
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Mark Bennett writes in reply to Blevins:
[RobertMBlevins wrote:
My intention with Mr Kenny and Mr Bernie is pretty damn simple. It is NOT to somehow twist facts to 'prove' they were involved in the Cooper hijacking. It is to discover the truth on whether they were or not. It's a real easy concept. This is why I finally decided to go to the Geestman family, because it's a big family and I think the truth will eventually come out. It's pretty hard to keep such a big secret forever in families. Members of Geestman's extended family told me in their first interview that they had no clue Bernie was even suspected of being involved until they saw him on History Channel. He didn't even bother to tell them he was going to be on TV.]

I think this paragraph is telling...It's not that people think you want to twist the facts. It's that you BELIEVE that Kenny is the hijacker. As a result, you not only give more weight to information that supports the view, you view any information through that lens.

For example, in the quote above, you're saying none of Bernie's family had any knowledge of the hijacking. In fact, none of your witnesses claim any knowledge of the hijacking. You believe they do, and you're trying to extract that information. The most likely reason your witnesses don't claim to know anything is there is nothing for them to know.


What "people" are you talking about?  Fact is Mark, there are a large number of people you can exclude from your list of "people". You speak almost exclusively for yourself at this point!

Have a nice day... play it again Sam!    ;) ;) ;)     Do you want Mr. Blevins here in this forum? Because I will be glad to leave if you want that S.O.B. here!

Georger,
I'm really surprised at that comment.  That is totally not what I was saying at all.

First, I posted that at the other forum.  What would possibly lead you to conclude that I wanted Blevins here?

Second, Robert said people think he's twisting the facts.  I didn't say he was or was not twisting the facts.  I was saying that wasn't the point.  I was saying the point was that he is a true believer and everything he sees fits his narrative.  I was trying to point out to him that he was biased.

Now, is twisting the facts to fit your narrative and believing you know the truth so you see the facts in a certain light the same thing?  Maybe or maybe not.  But, I think you took what I intended to be a parenthetical and made it my whole point.  And, I guess if someone writes something that is misinterpreted, it's safe to say the writer bears some responsibility.  So, I'm sorry for that.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 04, 2014, 06:43:03 PM
Georger, perhaps you might want to read the post again. lets not allow Blevins to get between people here. I don't want to see posters attacking others, especially over Robert Blevins. I like to think we are above that on this forum. the only person who would allow Robert back is me. that will never happen I can assure you of that.

Hopefully you guys will work it out, and hopefully nobody is going anywhere. I will add that I didn't see anything wrong with what Mark posted. I did have to read it twice though, but blamed it on being awake for only minutes this morning  8)




I think Mr. Blevins has more wishful thinking than anything. he relies on what one passenger said about height, and runs with it, or the fact of Mitchell stating Cooper might of been wearing a wig. he doesn't listen very well either. the FBI has not considered him a suspect in years. If anything should be done with the FBI in my opinion is to clear up the older suspects, and explain the status of what they think of a few that has been around for up to, and over a decade. (not all of them)

Wouldn't you think after all these years many of the employee's of NW would have said, "hey, that Kenny guy looks like Cooper" even his brother doesn't say anything for over three decades? seriously, I think the proof has spoken years ago. I've been saying it for a year now. the guy has had plenty of National coverage. the phones are still not ringing. not going to meetings, or banquets wouldn't do anything that could ever be considered "hiding"

He uses the word "double standard" often, but claims descriptions can be off, but again doesn't have a problem posting Kenny's pic right beside the sketch, or watching his hero's at Decoded slide his face over the sketch? he's way over the limit of being open to other possibilities about anything with regards to Kenny.


Vicki, I just seen your post at the DZ. awesome! I can take a poke and say he will reply stating the "extended family" backs up the original "witnesses" yes, the one's he alerted not to talk to anyone. plus ALL of his "witnesses" have never come forward telling there OWN side of his story, or to confirm anything Robert is claiming. he speaks for ALL......He is truly out for finding the truth....did hell freeze over?
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Post by: Shutter on September 04, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
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I like the version that I wrote about in the book:

The flight manifest listed a "Cooper, D.," which the feds asked the Portland PD about.  The PPD detectives said they knew a small-time burglar named DB Cooper and the feds said to pick him up and interrogate him.  The AP reporter heard that the feds were looking for DB Cooper and his editors went with it globally.  It was true, but misleading.

I have never heard about Daniel Barry before.


The manifest doesn't seem to list a Cooper, D? it has a Michael Cooper though....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 04, 2014, 08:55:32 PM
Yikes!  Wrong again?

Whew, what is that?  3 for 3 in the past week or two.

I ought to go back to roasting Skippy.

But then my father always said, "Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."
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Post by: Shutter on September 04, 2014, 09:03:37 PM
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Yikes!  Wrong again?

Whew, what is that?  3 for 3 in the past week or two.

I ought to go back to roasting Skippy.

But then my father always said, "Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."


I think it's 2 outta tree  8) you got me on the 15 degree flappy  8)
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Post by: Robert99 on September 04, 2014, 09:43:29 PM
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I like the version that I wrote about in the book:

The flight manifest listed a "Cooper, D.," which the feds asked the Portland PD about.  The PPD detectives said they knew a small-time burglar named DB Cooper and the feds said to pick him up and interrogate him.  The AP reporter heard that the feds were looking for DB Cooper and his editors went with it globally.  It was true, but misleading.

I have never heard about Daniel Barry before.


The manifest doesn't seem to list a Cooper, D? it has a Michael Cooper though....

Weren't there a total of 43 people on the airliner?  DB Cooper, 36 other passengers, 3 flight attendants, and 3 cockpit crew members.
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Post by: Shutter on September 04, 2014, 10:00:40 PM
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I like the version that I wrote about in the book:

The flight manifest listed a "Cooper, D.," which the feds asked the Portland PD about.  The PPD detectives said they knew a small-time burglar named DB Cooper and the feds said to pick him up and interrogate him.  The AP reporter heard that the feds were looking for DB Cooper and his editors went with it globally.  It was true, but misleading.

I have never heard about Daniel Barry before.


The manifest doesn't seem to list a Cooper, D? it has a Michael Cooper though....

Weren't there a total of 43 people on the airliner?  DB Cooper, 36 other passengers, 3 flight attendants, and 3 cockpit crew members.


Yes, that was the passenger manifest. it didn't include the crew, and for some reason didn't include DB Cooper, even though he was a passenger?
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Post by: 18C on September 04, 2014, 11:04:18 PM
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I like the version that I wrote about in the book:

The flight manifest listed a "Cooper, D.," which the feds asked the Portland PD about.  The PPD detectives said they knew a small-time burglar named DB Cooper and the feds said to pick him up and interrogate him.  The AP reporter heard that the feds were looking for DB Cooper and his editors went with it globally.  It was true, but misleading.

I have never heard about Daniel Barry before.


The manifest doesn't seem to list a Cooper, D? it has a Michael Cooper though....

Weren't there a total of 43 people on the airliner?  DB Cooper, 36 other passengers, 3 flight attendants, and 3 cockpit crew members.

Yes, that was the passenger manifest. it didn't include the crew, and for some reason didn't include DB Cooper, even though he was a passenger?

This case gets more bizarre by the minute. Even 43 years later.

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Post by: georger on September 04, 2014, 11:50:02 PM
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I like the version that I wrote about in the book:

The flight manifest listed a "Cooper, D.," which the feds asked the Portland PD about.  The PPD detectives said they knew a small-time burglar named DB Cooper and the feds said to pick him up and interrogate him.  The AP reporter heard that the feds were looking for DB Cooper and his editors went with it globally.  It was true, but misleading.

I have never heard about Daniel Barry before.


The manifest doesn't seem to list a Cooper, D? it has a Michael Cooper though....

Weren't there a total of 43 people on the airliner?  DB Cooper, 36 other passengers, 3 flight attendants, and 3 cockpit crew members.

Yes, that was the passenger manifest. it didn't include the crew, and for some reason didn't include DB Cooper, even though he was a passenger?

This case gets more bizarre by the minute. Even 43 years later.

Passenger manifest usual means those with reservations or scheduled for the flight. People cancel late, don't show up, etc and can still be listed on the original (unupdated) manifest. Today this lists are updated very quickly. In '71 that wasn't necessarily the case.

I think Bruce or someone will probably get to the bottom of this.

BTW: Kudos to Evicki! For her very good post on Confirmation Bias in reply to 'Bobby B.' on Dropzone. Her analysis of what a "witness" actually is and what a witness IS NOT!, is right on the mark. Congrats to Vicki!  ;) If Bobby had his way Snowmman would be a WITNESS to what Geestman and Kenny did or did not do on 11-24-71. And my Grandmother "Pedro!" would follow Snowmman! And my grandfather "Edith" would follow them! Then cousin Chevy and Aunt Iceberg follow them!  It's all genetic doncha know -  :) :)

     
 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 05, 2014, 12:08:23 AM
The total number of passengers has always perplexed me, along with the exact identities. I have multiple lists, but here's the latest one, along with the sources of where I received confirmations or more information, such as a discussion about them in GG's book, or Tosaw's.

Revised Passenger List, 6.10.11 – 37 w DBC

1. Almstad, Jack               Symposium/Seattle Times
2. Andvik, Arnold “Andy”           Karen Truitt
3. Clouse, Ray, D.               Symposium
4. Connors, Helen, Mrs.           Symposium
5. Connelly, Lavonne           Symposium
6. Cooper, Dan               DB Cooper
7. Cooper, Michael              Symposium
8. Cummings, Lynn           Symposium
9. Cummings, Mrs.           Symposium
10. Cummings, Robert           Symposium
11. Donahoe, Patrick           Karen
12. Feingold, Larry, prosecutor       GG
13. Gregory, Robert, B.            Sluggo, website
14. House, Nancy, (seat 15, GG)       Sluggo
15. Jensen, W.P.               Symposium
16. Keats, William            Symposium
17. Kloepfer, Mrs.               Symposium
18. Kloepfer, Floyd,          GG, p. 31 – not on Seattle Times list
19. Kunata, George, steel importer from Japan  GG
20. Labissoniere, George, attorney       Sluggo
21. MacPherson, Bill           Richard Tosaw, book
22. MacPherson, Scott, “son” (?)       RT
23. McDonald, Cliff, A. real estate sales   GG
24. Menendez, A.               GG
25. Michelson, Dennis           Symposium
26. Minsch, Patrick, heavy equip operator   GG
27. Mitchell, “Bill,” William        RT
28. Murphey, W. J.            Symposium
29. Pollart, Les               GG
30. Rice, Daniel               Symposium
31. Simmons, Barbara, Mrs.        GG, book
32. Simmons, Richard           GG
33. Street, Charles “Charlie”      Karen
34. Truitt, Allen B               Karen
35. Weitzel, Mr.               Symposium
36. Wornstaff, J. R.            Symposium
37. Zrim Spreckel, print shop owner    Symposium

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 05, 2014, 12:20:17 AM
The passengers are interesting.

1. Jack Almstad is the only passenger I have spoken with. Nice guy. Says that DB Cooper looked like the pictures he saw in the newspapers.  Jack even says that he joked with Tina and DBC when he was standing next to them to use the lavatory.

2. Bill Mitchell is incommunicado at the moment. I've tried plenty to find him, but unsuccessfully. Galen says that BM has asked for privacy at this moment. The phone number for Bill that I got from GG apparently was a wrong Bill Mitchell.  Not sure what that means.

3. Robert Gregory's nephew was at the Tacoma symposium in 2013.  "Uncle Bob" sounds like a character, and my father would be proud of his storytelling abilities (see above). Uncle Bob is responsible for the reports of "marcelled" hair, DB C being only 5'8" tall, and wearing a russet sports jacket.  The nephew could not confirm where on 305 Gregory was seating, but it is widely reported that he was up front and didn't ever have a close look at the skyjacker. In addition, Gregory didn't volunteer to discuss the skyjacker with the FBI when their agents were asking for those passengers who good a good look at Cooper.

I think Gregory's perspective are very suspect. I think Jack's are credible, but are unverifiable.

Nevertheless, GG champions Gregory's views. I think that says more about GG and what his personal agenda is, such as helping the FBI deliver a revisionist assessment of DB Cooper. (And of Earl Cossey, too, as GG applauds Coss' flip-flops.)
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Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2014, 07:09:52 AM
The manifest I posted was taken from George Harrison's files, and made shortly after the passengers were released from the plane and taken to the "Top Flight Lounge" and interviewed by the FBI.  8)

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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 05, 2014, 04:34:18 PM
Thanks, Shut.  Good to know.  I was wondering where it came from.
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Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
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Thanks, Shut.  Good to know.  I was wondering where it came from.

All of these files are now on this site for downloading. it's under the thread named "Transcripts From Flight 305 ( including PDF Files From WSHS)"
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Post by: 18C on September 05, 2014, 07:30:13 PM
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The manifest I posted was taken from George Harrison's files, and made shortly after the passengers were released from the plane and taken to the "Top Flight Lounge" and interviewed by the FBI.  8)

I wonder how much scrutiny Michael Cooper came under due to the name association with Dan?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 05, 2014, 11:26:41 PM
Me. too.

I always thought the presence of a Michael Cooper along with a Dan Cooper (which I think is too coincidental), and the story that Dan Cooper followed Michael to the ticket counter, were all "Cooper Stories" born in the heat of in the Vortex.

But I guess Mike was aboard 305.  Whew.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on September 06, 2014, 12:32:25 AM
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Vicki, I just seen your post at the DZ. awesome! I can take a poke and say he will reply stating the "extended family" backs up the original "witnesses" yes, the one's he alerted not to talk to anyone. plus ALL of his "witnesses" have never come forward telling there OWN side of his story, or to confirm anything Robert is claiming. he speaks for ALL......He is truly out for finding the truth....did hell freeze over?

I find it very difficult to put myself in other's frame of mind...who knows what Robert is thinking?  Sometimes what he thinks totally catches me by surprise.

For example, let's go back to 2010...

http://b-townblog.com/2010/09/07/re-discover-d-b-cooper-at-seatac-city-hall-exhibit-through-november/

Read the comments (starting with the oldest ones at the bottom).  It's clearly a joke.  Anyone can see that, right?  I found the person claiming to be Quade particularly funny.  Certainly, no one could take it seriously, could they?  Could they?.......Nah...but.....

This is Robert's response to it on DZ:

This is a lie, and an insult to the Christiansen family. And if the real Sluggo sees this, he had better put up a retraction about it, and quickly. Otherwise, we will go public on this comment and assume it is his.


If Robert believed that was real, how can we even attempt to figure out what his thought processes are?

Here is the link in DZ:

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3949834#3949834
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Post by: georger on September 06, 2014, 01:38:45 AM
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Vicki, I just seen your post at the DZ. awesome! I can take a poke and say he will reply stating the "extended family" backs up the original "witnesses" yes, the one's he alerted not to talk to anyone. plus ALL of his "witnesses" have never come forward telling there OWN side of his story, or to confirm anything Robert is claiming. he speaks for ALL......He is truly out for finding the truth....did hell freeze over?

I find it very difficult to put myself in other's frame of mind...who knows what Robert is thinking?  Sometimes what he thinks totally catches me by surprise.

For example, let's go back to 2010...

http://b-townblog.com/2010/09/07/re-discover-d-b-cooper-at-seatac-city-hall-exhibit-through-november/

Read the comments (starting with the oldest ones at the bottom).  It's clearly a joke.  Anyone can see that, right?  I found the person claiming to be Quade particularly funny.  Certainly, no one could take it seriously, could they?  Could they?.......Nah...but.....

This is Robert's response to it on DZ:

This is a lie, and an insult to the Christiansen family. And if the real Sluggo sees this, he had better put up a retraction about it, and quickly. Otherwise, we will go public on this comment and assume it is his.


If Robert believed that was real, how can we even attempt to figure out what his thought processes are?

Here is the link in DZ:

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3949834#3949834

and the relevance of this is? Psychoanalysis of Robert M Blevins?



Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on September 06, 2014, 01:49:20 AM
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Vicki, I just seen your post at the DZ. awesome! I can take a poke and say he will reply stating the "extended family" backs up the original "witnesses" yes, the one's he alerted not to talk to anyone. plus ALL of his "witnesses" have never come forward telling there OWN side of his story, or to confirm anything Robert is claiming. he speaks for ALL......He is truly out for finding the truth....did hell freeze over?

I find it very difficult to put myself in other's frame of mind...who knows what Robert is thinking?  Sometimes what he thinks totally catches me by surprise.

For example, let's go back to 2010...

http://b-townblog.com/2010/09/07/re-discover-d-b-cooper-at-seatac-city-hall-exhibit-through-november/

Read the comments (starting with the oldest ones at the bottom).  It's clearly a joke.  Anyone can see that, right?  I found the person claiming to be Quade particularly funny.  Certainly, no one could take it seriously, could they?  Could they?.......Nah...but.....

This is Robert's response to it on DZ:

This is a lie, and an insult to the Christiansen family. And if the real Sluggo sees this, he had better put up a retraction about it, and quickly. Otherwise, we will go public on this comment and assume it is his.


If Robert believed that was real, how can we even attempt to figure out what his thought processes are?

Here is the link in DZ:

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3949834#3949834

and the relevance of this is? Psychoanalysis of Robert M Blevins?

The relevance is there was discussion about  whether Robert deliberately intends to twist facts for his benefit and my point is it's futile to try to enter someone else's frame of mind.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 06, 2014, 04:01:24 AM
Hey Snoop. whaddaya think of the EW piece on Tina?

Do you think it's legit?

If not, what is it?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 06, 2014, 04:26:19 AM
Also, Snoop, why do you think Skippy's emails to you are SO much different than his to me?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Coopsnoop on September 06, 2014, 05:08:10 AM
Bruce:

Q1.....The piece on Tina is absolutely legit.  Tina flew NWA to Japan from the West Coast for five years in the 70's, same time as KC flew to Japan.  She would have certainly recognized KC on at least one flight that they shared over a five-year period.  But we already knew that KC wasn't DBC.  FBI. Mike Fitzsimmons interview.  KC theory is contrived by Lyle C. and advanced ad nauseum by the wind generator out of Auburn.  One of the biggest BS stories of the past decade, by the biggest crapper in the game.

Q2:   Skippy has health issues, so I don't know how to address the question with any kind of certainty.  But if you had a co-author like Booby sox, you would get pretty confused too.  Skippy will never have Booby at his house.  Booby just makes up stories as Booby's like to do.  Probably, he's been doing it his entire life.  Too late to quit now.  If there was enough interest out there, Bruce, you could do an investigative piece on Booby's life and uncover all of the foibles, fantasies, and failures of the great Booby at the DZ.



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Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2014, 10:34:01 AM
Coop, I'm removing a post that you made last nite. this forum is not going to continue to revolve around bashing. most of the post was not supporting anything you claim (comment from Rataczak) I'm confused about the email just as others are, but I'm not going to make comments about it that can't be supported, or act out by stating things I can't back up. I NEED to see proof of allegations being said about this issue. it's that simple.

Shutter.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2014, 11:58:51 AM
Lets try and stay focused here people. I don't want us getting out of touch over petty things such as Robert Blevins. none of this is worth causing conflicts between posters. that's playing right into his hands. I'm asking for proof in some things that have been mentioned about Robert. others have opinions about him. I don't think anyone is siding with him. some people are trying to figure out what makes him tick. personally I think he has poor judgement calls, and relies on extremely weak evidence to support things he calls facts. If he truly believes in what he writes, it makes it hard to show him the faults. this is another reason I like to see proof in what is being said. it's also possible he continues due to time, and investments. I don't have an answer for any of it at the moment. I REFUSE to state things about him that I can't backup though.

Lets keep it civil please, and if you disagree about a comment. work the problem out rather than responding with a negative comment. this is how DZ quickly gets out of control. I respect each and every one of you, and only ask for the same in return....

Shutter.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Coopsnoop on September 06, 2014, 10:01:37 PM
Bruce, calling out Booby sox on multi-stories, contradictions, and outright bs won't change anything.  The Auburn wind generator is programmed to run even when the air is still.  He can't help himself.  He lives in a vacuum of lies.  That's who he is.  Georger told me about him years ago, as did Geoff Gray, as did Skipp Porteous.  Old rank liars don't change, they just grow bigger lies.  The guy probably never leaves the house and fiddles with the cat
all day.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 06, 2014, 10:34:26 PM
I speak to the masses when I address Bobby, Snoop. It's kind of like a community service.

Buffoonery, anyone?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2014, 11:22:39 PM
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Bruce, calling out Booby sox on multi-stories, contradictions, and outright bs won't change anything.  The Auburn wind generator is programmed to run even when the air is still.  He can't help himself.  He lives in a vacuum of lies.  That's who he is.  Georger told me about him years ago, as did Geoff Gray, as did Skipp Porteous.  Old rank liars don't change, they just grow bigger lies.  The guy probably never leaves the house and fiddles with the cat
all day.


I see you continue showing zero respect for the SIMPLE rules I put down. I'm going to once again, cut you a break giving 24 hours to show some sort of proof Skipp said these things you state, or Rataczak, and finally Gray. if I don't see anything in this time period your IP address will be blocked. this seems to be all you come here for. it's ridiculous, and trust me that I'm not sticking up for anyone. it's just getting old, very old.

This forum will not tolerate bashing. it's exactly what I tried to get away from. I've mentioned in the past that I don't mind talking about posters to a limit. WE all know Robert plays dirty, WE all know the truth is the last thing on his mind. I'm not going to sit here night after night reading this crap. I've already received complaints again about this.

If nothing is shown in this time period, and you respond and decide you will follow my rules. the ban will not occur. I never had the pleasure of meeting you, but have heard good and bad things about you. how about showing the good things I've heard? I've seen enough of the bad.

Just above the post you made, I asked people to be civil. the post above that one I asked for proof of these allegations. it's all very simple sir.

Shutter



Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 06, 2014, 11:34:34 PM
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Bruce, calling out Booby sox on multi-stories, contradictions, and outright bs won't change anything.  The Auburn wind generator is programmed to run even when the air is still.  He can't help himself.  He lives in a vacuum of lies.  That's who he is.  Georger told me about him years ago, as did Geoff Gray, as did Skipp Porteous.  Old rank liars don't change, they just grow bigger lies.  The guy probably never leaves the house and fiddles with the cat
all day.


I see you continue showing zero respect for the SIMPLE rules I put down. I'm going to once again, cut you a break giving 24 hours to show some sort of proof Skipp said these things you state, or Rataczak, and finally Gray. if I don't see anything in this time period your IP address will be blocked. this seems to be all you come here for. it's ridiculous, and trust me that I'm not sticking up for anyone. it's just getting old, very old.

This forum will not tolerate bashing. it's exactly what I tried to get away from. I've mentioned in the past that I don't mind talking about posters to a limit. WE all know Robert plays dirty, WE all know the truth is the last thing on his mind. I'm not going to sit here night after night reading this crap. I've already received complaints again about this.

If nothing is shown in this time period, and you respond and decide you will follow my rules. the ban will not occur. I never had the pleasure of meeting you, and have heard good and bad things about you. how about showing the good things I've heard? I've seen enough of the bad.

Just above the post you made, I asked people to be civil. the post above that one I asked for proof of these allegations. it's all very simple sir.

Shutter

On a more 'constructive' note - Im working on correlating specific weather events with, Palmer strata layers. Have my hands full! It's an interesting challenge. Raises and illustrates some questions including Tom's strata questions. I will post when I get closer to home plate -

Maybe Coop can contribute some of his own in this area. I know he has it because I know he has read some version of the Paler report because we discussed it at some length years back. I also happen to know he did work with several people taking a look at Columbia hydrology. Not to mention the new witnesses he is supposed to have who found money frags on Tina Bar? 

All Im saying is let's focus on the central purpose of this forum which is (a) to get along, (b) obey a few rules and accept Dave's fine leadership, and (c) discuss Cooper's Last Stand. I'm trying and sometimes it's not easy. Some times it's very damned hard given what goes over at the Dark Side of the Moon. Hope others will try too. Sermon over. LETS PARTY!

Here's a taste: Palmer specifies four distinct strata layers, described on Tom's site. See attached. Then Tom failed to mention layer B is "cross bedded sands" (multiple layers cross bedded which correlates with multiple water-weather events between 1974 and Feb 1980. A whole 8-24 inches of cross bedded sand arranging events, packed between Sept 1974 and the top active layer was added in 1977?, 78?, 79?, early 1980?   Now you see the challenge. The layers MUST correlate with specific water events etc Now you see the challenge. And why is all of this important? Because the Cooper money and when and how it arrived probably fits somewhere into this whole scenario..

And if that doesn't beat arguing with Blevins and Weber on the Dark Side of the Moon, I don't know what does.

Thanks for listening!



 ;)   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2014, 11:43:12 PM
That's all I'm asking for Georger. I know Coop has a lot of knowledge he can share and we all can learn from. lets put Bobby on the back burner until more evidence comes into view. constantly bringing it up doesn't help, or work for anyone. there is a time and place for everything, but there is no place for it all the time!


Shutter


ADDED: sorry G, I could of swore I seen Bruce's name instead of yours. I didn't notice till now. I'm watching a movie in between this  8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 07, 2014, 12:17:03 AM
It is Father's Day here in Australia and amongst other things I've got a disposable credit card to make use of.

Will very likely be purchasing another DB Cooper with it. In fact I might be able to squeeze a couple in. I haven't read Norjack, Dead or Alive, or The Legend of DB Cooper. Hmm?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 07, 2014, 12:32:28 AM
Hmmm, did I miss fathers day? it's almost a year now that my father left this planet....


Georger, would a core sample be of any use at this point?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 07, 2014, 03:40:51 AM
Dead or Alive is Tosaw's book, correct?  It's a worthy investment. No. 1

Norjak is Himmelsbach's?  I'd rate it No. 2

Legend of DB Cooper is the book by Ron and Pat, about Barb?  No. 3.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 07, 2014, 05:20:31 AM
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Dead or Alive is Tosaw's book, correct?  It's a worthy investment. No. 1

Norjak is Himmelsbach's?  I'd rate it No. 2

Legend of DB Cooper is the book by Ron and Pat, about Barb?  No. 3.

Thanks for providing the seedings Bruce. I'll go with your 1 and 2 tomorrow.

I believe Tosaw's book provides the last interview with Tina. In fact you probably told me that. How much of an interview did she provide Tosaw? Is it just 3 questions and on your way? Or did he really manage to find out a few things?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 07, 2014, 04:47:39 PM
Tina and Tosaw:

Now this a subject for greater exploration.

At the very least, Tosaw's interview with Tina - as written in the book - is substantive and offers many points of corroborative detail.

However, rumors abound that the interview did not go as well as Tosaw indicates in the book.  Galen Cook became a good friend of Tosaw, and they worked together a lot on the Columbia.  Galen tells me that Tosaw told him that Tina was essentially a basket case while in the convent, and that most of her answers were variations of "I can't remember," or "I don't know."

Hence, Tosaw's record of Tina's recall of the incident is tainted.

It also begs the question of why Tina was in the convent.  Was she recovering from the medical issues she had that put her into a convalescent home in Gresham in 1979? In the Eugene Weekly interview conducted recently by Paul Neevel, Tina said that she left NWO when she was 32. That would be mid-1981 at the earliest. These timelines don't seem to match up.

Unfortunately, Tosaw died before I could discuss these issues with him. He passed away in 2009 of cancer.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 08, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
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Tina and Tosaw:

Now this a subject for greater exploration.

At the very least, Tosaw's interview with Tina - as written in the book - is substantive and offers many points of corroborative detail.

However, rumors abound that the interview did not go as well as Tosaw indicates in the book.  Galen Cook became a good friend of Tosaw, and they worked together a lot on the Columbia.  Galen tells me that Tosaw told him that Tina was essentially a basket case while in the convent, and that most of her answers were variations of "I can't remember," or "I don't know."

Hence, Tosaw's record of Tina's recall of the incident is tainted.

It also begs the question of why Tina was in the convent.  Was she recovering from the medical issues she had that put her into a convalescent home in Gresham in 1979? In the Eugene Weekly interview conducted recently by Paul Neevel, Tina said that she left NWO when she was 32. That would be mid-1981 at the earliest. These timelines don't seem to match up.

Unfortunately, Tosaw died before I could discuss these issues with him. He passed away in 2009 of cancer.

Interesting! Like most things DB Cooper things don't line up.

Ordered a copy of Norjak yesterday. Tried to buy Tosaw's book as well but had some difficulties and postponed it for another day.

Whilst bumbling around on the various book sites I noticed some of the more obscure books on Cooper - and there are more than I'd thought. Have you or anyone who posts here or DZ read some of these other offerings??
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 08, 2014, 06:57:33 PM
Here's my list:

1. GG's
2. Calame and Rhodes
3. Himmelsbach
4. Tosaw
5. Ron and Pat Forman
6. George Nuttall

The last book, "Exposed" is by an interesting character, George Nuttall.  He's a retired cop who joined the Hunt when his buddy - another retired cop - retired to Cooper Country from their digs in San Diego. Their research and speculations are all over the map, but their personal journeys are fascinating, such as the buddy trying to hide out from the mafia, and an uneven relationship with Himms.

George loves talking about Cooper, but doesn't have a computer, so he is isolated from the DZ-Forum swirl.

As for other titles, I'd skip them.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 08, 2014, 07:19:20 PM
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Here's my list:

1. GG's
2. Calame and Rhodes
3. Himmelsbach
4. Tosaw
5. Ron and Pat Forman
6. George Nuttall

The last book, "Exposed" is by an interesting character, George Nuttall.  He's a retired cop who joined the Hunt when his buddy - another retired cop - retired to Cooper Country from their digs in San Diego. Their research and speculations are all over the map, but their personal journeys are fascinating, such as the buddy trying to hide out from the mafia, and an uneven relationship with Himms.

George loves talking about Cooper, but doesn't have a computer, so he is isolated from the DZ-Forum swirl.

As for other titles, I'd skip them.

I have seen the distinctive cover of the George Nuttall book on-line a few times and wondered about what the book might have to offer. From the guff on-lie it sounds like he is pushing the conspiracy theory barrow? Does he make any valid points along those lines in your opinion?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on September 08, 2014, 08:58:21 PM
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Here's my list:

1. GG's
2. Calame and Rhodes
3. Himmelsbach
4. Tosaw
5. Ron and Pat Forman
6. George Nuttall

The last book, "Exposed" is by an interesting character, George Nuttall.  He's a retired cop who joined the Hunt when his buddy - another retired cop - retired to Cooper Country from their digs in San Diego. Their research and speculations are all over the map, but their personal journeys are fascinating, such as the buddy trying to hide out from the mafia, and an uneven relationship with Himms.

George loves talking about Cooper, but doesn't have a computer, so he is isolated from the DZ-Forum swirl.

As for other titles, I'd skip them.

I'd also recommend Bruce Smith's book, if you're lucky enough to get a copy.  I find some of it a little "out there" for me, but there is no book that has such a complete and balanced review of all of the subjects.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 08, 2014, 09:33:48 PM
Thanks, Mark.

Check's in the mail...
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 08, 2014, 10:46:04 PM
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Here's my list:

1. GG's
2. Calame and Rhodes
3. Himmelsbach
4. Tosaw
5. Ron and Pat Forman
6. George Nuttall

The last book, "Exposed" is by an interesting character, George Nuttall.  He's a retired cop who joined the Hunt when his buddy - another retired cop - retired to Cooper Country from their digs in San Diego. Their research and speculations are all over the map, but their personal journeys are fascinating, such as the buddy trying to hide out from the mafia, and an uneven relationship with Himms.

George loves talking about Cooper, but doesn't have a computer, so he is isolated from the DZ-Forum swirl.

As for other titles, I'd skip them.

I'd also recommend Bruce Smith's book, if you're lucky enough to get a copy.  I find some of it a little "out there" for me, but there is no book that has such a complete and balanced review of all of the subjects.

Bruce said the $85 he charged me was a "bargain" price. What did he charge you?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 08, 2014, 11:55:57 PM
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Here's my list:

1. GG's
2. Calame and Rhodes
3. Himmelsbach
4. Tosaw
5. Ron and Pat Forman
6. George Nuttall

The last book, "Exposed" is by an interesting character, George Nuttall.  He's a retired cop who joined the Hunt when his buddy - another retired cop - retired to Cooper Country from their digs in San Diego. Their research and speculations are all over the map, but their personal journeys are fascinating, such as the buddy trying to hide out from the mafia, and an uneven relationship with Himms.

George loves talking about Cooper, but doesn't have a computer, so he is isolated from the DZ-Forum swirl.

As for other titles, I'd skip them.

I'd also recommend Bruce Smith's book, if you're lucky enough to get a copy.  I find some of it a little "out there" for me, but there is no book that has such a complete and balanced review of all of the subjects.

Bruce said the $85 he charged me was a "bargain" price. What did he charge you?

The books most cited are, in order:

Himmelsbach, Tosaw, and Gray.

However, Sluggo's whole website may be considered "a book/archive"! Also mandatory is the WSHM material.



Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 09, 2014, 02:08:53 AM
18-C, that was the special introductory offer, too!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 09, 2014, 03:10:06 AM
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18-C, that was the special introductory offer, too!

Worth every cent of what I paid Bruce  ;)

Being serious for a minute, its a great piece of work and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

Bye and bye. What did you think of the NBC Universal interview with Bill Rataczak I posted?

There are also brief interviews there with Scott and Tina Mucklow. See below :

http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112499111_004.do

http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112499111_005.do
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Alternate Site ???
Post by: georger on September 13, 2014, 12:43:47 PM
Some trouble maker over at Dropzone keeps referring to this as the Alternate Cooper Site!

The facts are: there was no relevant Cooper discussion at Dropzone for years! That basically ended in 2009 when SA Larry Carr left Dropzone. That left Jo Weber and her minions. Then Bobby Blevins appears in 2010 with his garbage. And with that any chance for worthwhile 'Cooper' discussion ended at Dropzone, and today all Dropzone is, is a daily exercise in social constipation by only two people, Blevins and Weber, with 377 cheerleading from time to time. All Cooper discussion ended at Dropzone years ago - whether anyone wants to admit that or not it is simply a fact.

This site was born as an alternative to the garbage at Dropzone.

Blevins continues to attack and demean this website daily, because in fact this is the site where any Cooper discussion is happening or even remotely possible. That is just a fact.

The only sense in which this is an Alternate site, is as an alternate to the goings on at Dropzone.com! Which makes this site thee only primary website on the planet currently, for any half-way serious discussion of the DB Cooper case, composed of people whose primary mission it is to engage in useful discussion, and if THAT makes us Cooper Royalty for some reason, as Mr. Blevins has tagged us, then all the better since we did have the guts to pull ourselves out of the Dropzone muck ..... then more power to us, THE COOPER ROYALTY!

No separate thread for "bashing other people" is needed here, as Mark Bennett/377 suggests! That idea is frankly repulsive and avoids the central issues of why this website exists at all - in the first place!

Rather than an Alternative site, this site is now the Primary DB Cooper Discussion website, just as the name implies, and the continuing Blevins-Weber tirade is proof of that fact!   

And please note: this is being posted under /(Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation/ .

 :)


 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 13, 2014, 01:23:19 PM
You really can't call this an "alternate site". what would Websleuths be?, or any other Cooper related site. he's just trying to say the DZ is the ONLY source for Cooper material. I believe at one point it truly was a "go to" site for Cooper, but the past two years have been nothing but drama, and promotion. that's why I try to keep it away from here.

I don't see any control on DZ what so ever. Jo is actually accusing someone of murder? they didn't even react to a minor being on the forum, some tried to up hold the allowance of Andy's presents? I think the less we discuss it will make us a solid group by failing to contribute to the nonsense occurring on that forum. I think Bruce was on the right track to pressure Robert into answering the question about Tina, and the Japan flights, but it's ran it's course he's not going to answer any logical questions. it's damaging to his story.

I haven't even tried to advertise this forum at this point. I think I will start contacting websites, and people of interest in order to put this forum into the REAL Cooper community. I have put a lot of time and effort into building this site, a lot more than I originally planned on. I would also like to see Galen come down to earth and actually get involved here, and put Blevins far in the back of the short bus  8)

Lets allow DZ to be the number one source for drama and allow them to continue to push two of the worst suspects in the pool and make this, as you mentioned, "the primary website" for discussing DB Cooper. DZ still has good people on it, but the site itself is considered old school compared to what we can do here. I'm slowly making things easy to reference without having to search things out. you can't do that on DZ. you can't save things, or change topics. we have unlimited possibilities that can be done here.

Shutter
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 13, 2014, 02:51:54 PM
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You really can't call this an "alternate site". what would Websleuths be?, or any other Cooper related site. he's just trying to say the DZ is the ONLY source for Cooper material. I believe at one point it truly was a "go to" site for Cooper, but the past two years have been nothing but drama, and promotion. that's why I try to keep it away from here.

I don't see any control on DZ what so ever. Jo is actually accusing someone of murder? they didn't even react to a minor being on the forum, some tried to up hold the allowance of Andy's presents? I think the less we discuss it will make us a solid group by failing to contribute to the nonsense occurring on that forum. I think Bruce was on the right track to pressure Robert into answering the question about Tina, and the Japan flights, but it's ran it's course he's not going to answer any logical questions. it's damaging to his story.

I haven't even tried to advertise this forum at this point. I think I will start contacting websites, and people of interest in order to put this forum into the REAL Cooper community. I have put a lot of time and effort into building this site, a lot more than I originally planned on. I would also like to see Galen come down to earth and actually get involved here, and put Blevins far in the back of the short bus  8)

Lets allow DZ to be the number one source for drama and allow them to continue to push two of the worst suspects in the pool and make this, as you mentioned, "the primary website" for discussing DB Cooper. DZ still has good people on it, but the site itself is considered old school compared to what we can do here. I'm slowly making things easy to reference without having to search things out. you can't do that on DZ. you can't save things, or change topics. we have unlimited possibilities that can be done here.

Shutter

Agree with all of this. DZ had it's day and is gone primarily because nobody could control the nuts and bashers. People get tired of that *very quickly. Sluggo made his move quickly after RMB arrived and bashed his website, in 2010. I almost followed at that time and probably should have, but was asked to hang in there ...

Make no mistake about this! There is a substantial body of skydivers who want that Cooper thread closed! Many never wanted it in the first place. It was never mine to decide in any event.

I do think the day will come when interest in DB Cooper will drop off to nothing as the population ages.

Have a good weekend -





Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 13, 2014, 03:04:11 PM
I'm sure they want it closed. I would too if I was into the sport. I don't blame them one bit. what concerns me the most is the fact of them failing to see the reasons. I think it was probably Amazon who made the comment "they deserve each other over there". until they actually see where the problem is. it will continue on the trail it's on now....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Alternate Site ???
Post by: MarkBennett on September 13, 2014, 03:06:12 PM
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No separate thread for "bashing other people" is needed here, as Mark Bennett/377 suggests! That idea is frankly repulsive and avoids the central issues of why this website exists at all - in the first place!


I don't recall ever suggesting any such thing, nor do I suggest it now.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Alternate Site ???
Post by: Shutter on September 13, 2014, 03:11:23 PM
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No separate thread for "bashing other people" is needed here, as Mark Bennett/377 suggests! That idea is frankly repulsive and avoids the central issues of why this website exists at all - in the first place!


I don't recall ever suggesting any such thing, nor do I suggest it now.

I don't seem to recall it either.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Alternate Site ???
Post by: georger on September 14, 2014, 12:02:44 AM
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No separate thread for "bashing other people" is needed here, as Mark Bennett/377 suggests! That idea is frankly repulsive and avoids the central issues of why this website exists at all - in the first place!


It was a comment you made about having a separate thread for 'people bashing people' or something to that effect.
Maybe I misunderstood your intent.

I don't recall ever suggesting any such thing, nor do I suggest it now.

It was a comment you made about having a separate thread for 'people bashing people' or something to that effect.
Maybe I misunderstood your intent.

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Alternate Site ???
Post by: MarkBennett on September 14, 2014, 03:27:46 AM
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No separate thread for "bashing other people" is needed here, as Mark Bennett/377 suggests! That idea is frankly repulsive and avoids the central issues of why this website exists at all - in the first place!


It was a comment you made about having a separate thread for 'people bashing people' or something to that effect.
Maybe I misunderstood your intent.

I don't recall ever suggesting any such thing, nor do I suggest it now.

It was a comment you made about having a separate thread for 'people bashing people' or something to that effect.
Maybe I misunderstood your intent.

Good enough for me.  I could go back and try to restate what I was trying to say, but it doesn't seem worth revisiting.

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 14, 2014, 06:31:41 PM
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I'm sure they want it closed. I would too if I was into the sport. I don't blame them one bit. what concerns me the most is the fact of them failing to see the reasons. I think it was probably Amazon who made the comment "they deserve each other over there". until they actually see where the problem is. it will continue on the trail it's on now....

Here is the real Adventure Books of Seattle/B & G Houscleaning, not at Seattle but at - Auburn Washington. In one half of this rented duplex.

http://www.bghousecleaning.com/rentalsspecials.htm

The real vita reads: "Our Experience: Before forming B & G, Bob worked maintenance at upper-end apartments for ten years, and later was the warehouse and installation manager for a major carpet company in the Seattle area. He is also a veteran of the U.S. Army. Gayla worked in management with Ace Hardware and Fred Meyer for many years, and is well experienced in cleaning homes and properties. She has 16 years of experience. " 

A maintenance guy! No background in the arts, literature, psychology, criminology, or publishing as claimed, etc.

Review: http://adventure-bookstore.pissedconsumer.com/adventure-books-of-seattle-20090317146461.html

   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 15, 2014, 11:07:30 AM
I had to put Coops comments on approval status. here is a portion of what he wrote.

"Sorry to tell you, Shutter, you've been defending an old fraud here at your website.  The real hero in this exposure is Georger.  There is a continuance on this story too, as some private detectives I know are surveilling RMB's house to get photos for a juicy story on this sad"

Now, I have said in the past that I am not "defending" RMB, nor do I agree with his tactics, or his investigation into KC, but I'm not going to allow things said without any type of verification. Georger, and Bruce approach Robert different than stating things that are not backed up. all this does is cause problems on both sites. show me something solid, and I'll post it where it will be noticed by all. I'll make a separate thread dedicated to it, but I will not tolerate constant nonsense! I'm the one who gets the feedback when things are posted like this, not you guys. people complain.

The problem on DZ is zero control. I must apply some control here.


Shutter

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 15, 2014, 01:04:02 PM
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I had to put Coops comments on approval status. here is a portion of what he wrote.

"Sorry to tell you, Shutter, you've been defending an old fraud here at your website.  The real hero in this exposure is Georger.  There is a continuance on this story too, as some private detectives I know are surveilling RMB's house to get photos for a juicy story on this sad"

Now, I have said in the past that I am not "defending" RMB, nor do I agree with his tactics, or his investigation into KC, but I'm not going to allow things said without any type of verification. Georger, and Bruce approach Robert different than stating things that are not backed up. all this does is cause problems on both sites. show me something solid, and I'll post it where it will be noticed by all. I'll make a separate thread dedicated to it, but I will not tolerate constant nonsense! I'm the one who gets the feedback when things are posted like this, not you guys. people complain.

The problem on DZ is zero control. I must apply some control here.


Shutter

The issue has always been, RMB's claims. Judging by his work at DZ, Newsvine and other places he has a broad body of claims; this week for some reason it has been world population and Doomsday. As he says: "Cooper is just one of my jobs "!  Sadly, it is in that context that the value of his Cooper work must be judged for its veracity. A 'Jack of all trades and master of none'? 

The last time I checked DBCooper was still at large, and largely unknown; depending on who you care to believe.

 :)   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on September 15, 2014, 05:16:55 PM
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The issue has always been, RMB's claims. Judging by his work at DZ, Newsvine and other places he has a broad body of claims; this week for some reason it has been world population and Doomsday. As he says: "Cooper is just one of my jobs "!  Sadly, it is in that context that the value of his Cooper work must be judged for its veracity. A 'Jack of all trades and master of none'? 

The last time I checked DBCooper was still at large, and largely unknown; depending on who you care to believe.

 :)

I confess.  That was me who kept that latest discussion going.  And, I probably shouldn't have.  Robert had posted about ever escalating population (which is probably the opinion of 95% of Americans) so I tried to point out that growth rates have fallen dramatically over the past 50 years  and are expected to continue to do so.

My mistake!  Robert didn't challenge my data or my sources. He just said that it was ridiculous.  This is just like the Kenny stuff.  Why burden him with facts if he's already made up his mind?

I finally decided it's a waste of my time to respond.  He's not going to change his mind no matter what I say and he doesn't really have the credibility to change other peoples' minds.  When I respond, I'm just giving him a chance to add more nonsense to the discussion.

So, next time I respond to him, I invite you all to be my 12 step sponsors and tell me to cut it out!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 15, 2014, 10:18:42 PM
We all fall off the wagon from time-to-time, Mark.

After 42 years, it's best to take the long view of things....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 15, 2014, 11:34:52 PM
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The issue has always been, RMB's claims. Judging by his work at DZ, Newsvine and other places he has a broad body of claims; this week for some reason it has been world population and Doomsday. As he says: "Cooper is just one of my jobs "!  Sadly, it is in that context that the value of his Cooper work must be judged for its veracity. A 'Jack of all trades and master of none'? 

The last time I checked DBCooper was still at large, and largely unknown; depending on who you care to believe.

 :)

I confess.  That was me who kept that latest discussion going.  And, I probably shouldn't have.  Robert had posted about ever escalating population (which is probably the opinion of 95% of Americans) so I tried to point out that growth rates have fallen dramatically over the past 50 years  and are expected to continue to do so.

My mistake!  Robert didn't challenge my data or my sources. He just said that it was ridiculous.  This is just like the Kenny stuff.  Why burden him with facts if he's already made up his mind?

I finally decided it's a waste of my time to respond.  He's not going to change his mind no matter what I say and he doesn't really have the credibility to change other peoples' minds.  When I respond, I'm just giving him a chance to add more nonsense to the discussion.

So, next time I respond to him, I invite you all to be my 12 step sponsors and tell me to cut it out!

You dont need any 12-step sponsor. That's funny.

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 17, 2014, 03:26:04 AM
Handy man and carpet warehouse inventory man Blevins says the following: "And you believed that? I've been sent on vacation twice. But even I knew when to separate church from state on a public thread. Georger did not. I could tell you what really happened, but you disallowed PM's and it's not my job to make that public. Maybe you should confront him and get him to tell you the truth. "

So I have decided to tell the truth, and only the truth, so help me Mickey Mouse!!   :) :) :) :) :)

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I already posted it - long ago. I can't remember. All the staff at Georger Books have eben ordered not to talk about it!

Or you can refer to my previous posts. Like RobertMBlevins does then ignores it to spawn more lies and drama!
 ::)

Church from State?  What's that all about?  Whose church?  Whose State?   

Why should anyone have to defend themselves against this RobertMBlevins in the first place!? That's what I have always wondered.




Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Robert99 on September 17, 2014, 03:37:01 AM
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Handy man and carpet warehouse inventory man Blevins says the following: "And you believed that? I've been sent on vacation twice. But even I knew when to separate church from state on a public thread. Georger did not. I could tell you what really happened, but you disallowed PM's and it's not my job to make that public. Maybe you should confront him and get him to tell you the truth. "

So I have decided to tell the truth, and only the truth, so help me Mickey Mouse!!   :) :) :) :) :)

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I already posted it - long ago. I can't remember. All the staff at Georger Books have eben ordered not to talk about it!

Or you can refer to my previous posts. Like RobertMBlevins does then ignores it to spawn more lies and drama!
 ::)

Church from State?  What's that all about?  Whose church?  Whose State?

I'm going to have to sign off for the night.  We are having some severe weather here and a warning has just been issued that a severe thunderstorm is less than 10 miles from my house and will be here in about 15 minutes.  It has 60 MPH winds and heavy rain.

Odile seems to be taking over where last week's hurricane left off.

Robert99
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 17, 2014, 03:54:53 AM
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Handy man and carpet warehouse inventory man Blevins says the following: "And you believed that? I've been sent on vacation twice. But even I knew when to separate church from state on a public thread. Georger did not. I could tell you what really happened, but you disallowed PM's and it's not my job to make that public. Maybe you should confront him and get him to tell you the truth. "

So I have decided to tell the truth, and only the truth, so help me Mickey Mouse!!   :) :) :) :) :)

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I already posted it - long ago. I can't remember. All the staff at Georger Books have eben ordered not to talk about it!

Or you can refer to my previous posts. Like RobertMBlevins does then ignores it to spawn more lies and drama!
 ::)

Church from State?  What's that all about?  Whose church?  Whose State?

I'm going to have to sign off for the night.  We are having some severe weather here and a warning has just been issued that a severe thunderstorm is less than 10 miles from my house and will be here in about 15 minutes.  It has 60 MPH winds and heavy rain.

Odile seems to be taking over where last week's hurricane left off.

Robert99

Here is how I left Dropzone. It's very simple, but like everything else at DZ it got screwed up by: Paul Quade and Sangiro.

I sent two emails to both Paul Quade and aka Sangiro simply asking that my account be taken down. I told them I was no longer interested in Dropzone. My email to Quade went to his private email address. My email to aka Sangiro went through the DZ PM system. A week passed and nothing. My account was still active.

The Danielle b.s. broke lose on Dropzone. Had nothing to do with me!

Finally I sent Paul Quade another email and stlll nothing. The next day I sent both Quade and aka Sangiro a PM
telling them in the strongest terms possible to take Dropzone and shove it up their ***************.

My privileges to post suddenly stopped, by somebody! Funny. But my account was still active!  So I waited one more day with all hell breaking lose at Dropzone over Danielle1010's suicide remark, and I sent aka Sangiro and the other moron Paul Quade yet one more PM asking them "WTF is the matter with you ********'s? My account is STILL ACTIVE!!!!! HEY WAKE UP!  TAKE MY ACCOUNT DOWN IF YOU ARE CAPABLE!"

And finally my account was closed forever at the infamous DROPZONE!   

I fully realise none of this matters to RobertMBlevins. He will continue to spread "the real story" which is nothing but a Blevins lie - whatever he makes up next. Dropzone deserves RobertMBlevins and Jo Weber. These people will be living in the past for the rest of their lives.

 :-\

 

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on September 17, 2014, 03:38:26 PM
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And finally my account was closed forever at the infamous DROPZONE!   

I fully realise none of this matters to RobertMBlevins. He will continue to spread "the real story" which is nothing but a Blevins lie - whatever he makes up next. Dropzone deserves RobertMBlevins and Jo Weber. These people will be living in the past for the rest of their lives.

 :-\

Well, we're glad you're here.  All I ever heard about your departure from DZ is what you posted here.  How did Robert ever get the idea you had been banned?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Coopsnoop on September 17, 2014, 10:57:58 PM
Accountability, sir Shutter.  You don't have a problem with world famous author Robert Blevins being accountable to queries about his work?  Hey, let him show his affirmations of deniability by having HIM post his e-mails from Skipp Porteous.  I have plenty of e-mails from Skipp Porteous, but they are private matters, and Skipp is not my co-author.  Skipp will not support Blevins, and Blevins will not show that hand.  Quit trying to protect him, Shutter.  Let him stand up to scrutiny.  And if you don't post this, please terminate me from your website.  I will gladly move on.  Thank you.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 17, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
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And finally my account was closed forever at the infamous DROPZONE!   

I fully realise none of this matters to RobertMBlevins. He will continue to spread "the real story" which is nothing but a Blevins lie - whatever he makes up next. Dropzone deserves RobertMBlevins and Jo Weber. These people will be living in the past for the rest of their lives.

 :-\

Well, we're glad you're here.  All I ever heard about your departure from DZ is what you posted here.  How did Robert ever get the idea you had been banned?

It's no secret he has poked at me endlessly since he arrived, trying to get me to flip off and banned. He did the same with others; some left and he did actually piss several people off who finally kept shooting back at Blevins and got banned for their effort, and didn't care (Meyer Louie for one). The mystery to me (Blevins could shed light on! and Weber also) is, how does any of this profit Dropzone? That totally mystifies me, but I'm very naive. Whatever it is it's very person with people at DZ.

I always had the idea I would wait until things were dull and kind of neutral and I would slip away with a small "Bye". It didn't work out that way!  :)

I actually admire the people who have only dropped in and have the brains to stay away, almost completely. 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 18, 2014, 02:33:50 PM
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Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 18, 2014, 11:49:13 PM
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Accountability, sir Shutter.  You don't have a problem with world famous author Robert Blevins being accountable to queries about his work?  Hey, let him show his affirmations of deniability by having HIM post his e-mails from Skipp Porteous.  I have plenty of e-mails from Skipp Porteous, but they are private matters, and Skipp is not my co-author.  Skipp will not support Blevins, and Blevins will not show that hand.  Quit trying to protect him, Shutter.  Let him stand up to scrutiny.  And if you don't post this, please terminate me from your website.  I will gladly move on.  Thank you.



I didn't see this post until now. sorry but I've put in about 50 some hours this week and didn't get around to "approving" your comments. I disagree with you that I'm trying to protect Blevins. there is a time and place for everything, but this isn't a place for it all the time! I don't agree with these tactics. I'm sorry you don't see it my way.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 19, 2014, 12:58:24 AM
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Accountability, sir Shutter.  You don't have a problem with world famous author Robert Blevins being accountable to queries about his work?  Hey, let him show his affirmations of deniability by having HIM post his e-mails from Skipp Porteous.  I have plenty of e-mails from Skipp Porteous, but they are private matters, and Skipp is not my co-author.  Skipp will not support Blevins, and Blevins will not show that hand.  Quit trying to protect him, Shutter.  Let him stand up to scrutiny.  And if you don't post this, please terminate me from your website.  I will gladly move on.  Thank you.



I didn't see this post until now. sorry but I've put in about 50 some hours this week and didn't get around to "approving" your comments. I disagree with you that I'm trying to protect Blevins. there is a time and place for everything, but this isn't a place for it all the time! I don't agree with these tactics. I'm sorry you don't see it my way.

Coop - no way is Shutter trying to "protect" anyone! Least of all Blevins! Shutter has been VERY lenient, and I am an example of that - literally. I have walked on the boundary line several times already and I have to watch what I say and do, because at the end of the day it not only risks criticism and possibly some action from Shutter, but it affects my credibility! Those are the real world options we all operate in.

Am I glad I left Dropzone? Hell yes I am!  Am I better off for it? Hell yes I am! 

I don't know why you get so upset about that guy. He has no credibility. He is a joke. And he hasn't actually presented anything new about anything since about the 4 months mark after he arrived clear back in 2010. And he is still living in his own past! His posts read like the ravings of a lunatic! ......  so what is the threat?

I dont know what else to say. I think its time to appreciate the good things and opportunity we have here - all thanks to Shutter. That is where I am at on this whole matter, if it matters to anyone.

Take care Cooper. Come back when refreshed, soon, if you are actually leaving for a while. But you are letting a lunatic and a ghost upset you. You are running from a figment which does not even exist! He has no sway over anybody. He says Gayla even finally clamped down and told him to STFU! There it is. And that is ALL there is. Anything else is a figment and pure sham wow ism.   

 

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 19, 2014, 07:20:15 AM
Thanks Georger, Coop is gone alright. I deleted his account just as he requested. I didn't apply any ban, or block regarding his actions on this forum. perhaps he will have a different view down the road and decide to join in on actual conversation about Cooper. I realize some like to let off some steam here, but lets not over do it causing problems with everyone on the forum.

Lets continue to move forward with discussing Cooper and allow this forum to continue to have a large percentage of discussion to the cause it was intended for. (aka DB Cooper)

Shutter
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 19, 2014, 12:54:53 PM
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Thanks Georger, Coop is gone alright. I deleted his account just as he requested. I didn't apply any ban, or block regarding his actions on this forum. perhaps he will have a different view down the road and decide to join in on actual conversation about Cooper. I realize some like to let off some steam here, but lets not over do it causing problems with everyone on the forum.

Lets continue to move forward with discussing Cooper and allow this forum to continue to have a large percentage of discussion to the cause it was intended for. (aka DB Cooper)

Shutter

no problemo here -

Thanks!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 19, 2014, 06:41:55 PM
Sigh. Don't know why the Snooper had to leave. I trust he will return.

Commenting and researching on the shenanigans of RMB are worthy cause for posting on this site, but ranting and raving ad infinitum do seem to be excessive, and I welcome their calming absence.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 23, 2014, 02:38:20 PM
I was just reading the comments on DZ. I can't believe Jo actually thinks the FBI would shut down a DB Cooper forum. between her and Robert, I don't know which is more paranoid, or delusional. threats from the FBI, not disclosing information because of trust? how many other options will they come up with to hide the fact there suspects are not Cooper. I wonder how bad a forum is for Hoffa  8) probably death threats daily I would assume.. ;D :D :)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on September 23, 2014, 07:55:00 PM
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I was just reading the comments on DZ. I can't believe Jo actually thinks the FBI would shut down a DB Cooper forum. between her and Robert, I don't know which is more paranoid, or delusional. threats from the FBI, not disclosing information because of trust? how many other options will they come up with to hide the fact there suspects are not Cooper. I wonder how bad a forum is for Hoffa  8) probably death threats daily I would assume.. ;D :D :)

I guess they deserve each other over there.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 23, 2014, 08:13:12 PM
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I was just reading the comments on DZ. I can't believe Jo actually thinks the FBI would shut down a DB Cooper forum. between her and Robert, I don't know which is more paranoid, or delusional. threats from the FBI, not disclosing information because of trust? how many other options will they come up with to hide the fact there suspects are not Cooper. I wonder how bad a forum is for Hoffa  8) probably death threats daily I would assume.. ;D :D :)

I guess they deserve each other over there.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I was going to say that, but held back  ;D :D ;) :)

+1
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on September 23, 2014, 09:10:00 PM
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I was just reading the comments on DZ. I can't believe Jo actually thinks the FBI would shut down a DB Cooper forum. between her and Robert, I don't know which is more paranoid, or delusional. threats from the FBI, not disclosing information because of trust? how many other options will they come up with to hide the fact there suspects are not Cooper. I wonder how bad a forum is for Hoffa  8) probably death threats daily I would assume.. ;D :D :)

I guess they deserve each other over there.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I was going to say that, but held back  ;D :D ;) :)

+1

Now, I kind of wish we'd named this site CooperRoyalty.com!  That would be funny.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 23, 2014, 09:33:29 PM
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I was just reading the comments on DZ. I can't believe Jo actually thinks the FBI would shut down a DB Cooper forum. between her and Robert, I don't know which is more paranoid, or delusional. threats from the FBI, not disclosing information because of trust? how many other options will they come up with to hide the fact there suspects are not Cooper. I wonder how bad a forum is for Hoffa  8) probably death threats daily I would assume.. ;D :D :)

I guess they deserve each other over there.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I was going to say that, but held back  ;D :D ;) :)

+1

Now, I kind of wish we'd named this site CooperRoyalty.com!  That would be funny.


We could, but then I'd have to roll out the red carpet, vacuum it, polish the brass etc. etc.  ;D :D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: 18C on September 23, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
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I was just reading the comments on DZ. I can't believe Jo actually thinks the FBI would shut down a DB Cooper forum...

Is it still safe to post here? Don't want to go incriminating ourselves now do we?  ;)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 23, 2014, 09:57:56 PM
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I was just reading the comments on DZ. I can't believe Jo actually thinks the FBI would shut down a DB Cooper forum...

Is it still safe to post here? Don't want to go incriminating ourselves now do we?  ;)


I think you are safe being out of the Country, but watch your step  :D ;) :)

I think the place is bugged!!!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 23, 2014, 10:05:14 PM
I keep most of our "Forum Secrets" safe on a carrier. the only problem is landing on it. I feel like Mark Bennett has taken over the controls  :D ;) :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IdbBsZX-PA
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 23, 2014, 11:27:22 PM
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I was just reading the comments on DZ. I can't believe Jo actually thinks the FBI would shut down a DB Cooper forum. between her and Robert, I don't know which is more paranoid, or delusional. threats from the FBI, not disclosing information because of trust? how many other options will they come up with to hide the fact there suspects are not Cooper. I wonder how bad a forum is for Hoffa  8) probably death threats daily I would assume.. ;D :D :)

I guess they deserve each other over there.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

woooops!  :o :o :o you have just uttered a copywritten phrase! expect to hear from Oz!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 23, 2014, 11:28:29 PM
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I was just reading the comments on DZ. I can't believe Jo actually thinks the FBI would shut down a DB Cooper forum. between her and Robert, I don't know which is more paranoid, or delusional. threats from the FBI, not disclosing information because of trust? how many other options will they come up with to hide the fact there suspects are not Cooper. I wonder how bad a forum is for Hoffa  8) probably death threats daily I would assume.. ;D :D :)

I guess they deserve each other over there.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I was going to say that, but held back  ;D :D ;) :)

+1

Now, I kind of wish we'd named this site CooperRoyalty.com!  That would be funny.

Shutter? How 'bout it?  Eh ?    :)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 23, 2014, 11:30:06 PM
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I was just reading the comments on DZ. I can't believe Jo actually thinks the FBI would shut down a DB Cooper forum...

Is it still safe to post here? Don't want to go incriminating ourselves now do we?  ;)

Its been a good day here too! Guess we are entitled to one.    8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 23, 2014, 11:31:55 PM
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I keep most of our "Forum Secrets" safe on a carrier. the only problem is landing on it. I feel like Mark Bennett has taken over the controls  :D ;) :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IdbBsZX-PA

very nice - more more!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 23, 2014, 11:55:06 PM
Here is an inside view of my 727 taking off from PDX.....while in replay mode I can wonder around and not worry about the controls  8)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW9UJIGaiiI
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 24, 2014, 10:46:00 PM
And......one more  ;D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO6hZ0wdC3M
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 25, 2014, 07:56:49 PM
check out this pilot! guy gets a 727 about 15 feet off the ground. second flyby, he really gets some altitude with it.... 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl7QgjdRONo
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: BuckwheatFlowers on September 25, 2014, 09:10:01 PM
Looks like the DZ thread went poof.  Should I wear black to mark the occasion?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 25, 2014, 09:17:50 PM
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Looks like the DZ thread went poof.  Should I wear black to mark the occasion?


Unfortunately, I don't think that will ever happen. that thread brings money into the site. if the views disappear, I would look for a black suit  ;D :D
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Post by: BuckwheatFlowers on September 25, 2014, 10:07:04 PM
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Unfortunately, I don't think that will ever happen. that thread brings money into the site. if the views disappear, I would look for a black suit  ;D :D

It's showing up again.  Might have been something on my end.
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Post by: Shutter on September 25, 2014, 10:14:27 PM
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Unfortunately, I don't think that will ever happen. that thread brings money into the site. if the views disappear, I would look for a black suit  ;D :D

It's showing up again.  Might have been something on my end.

For some strange reason I have been able to see things other can't on DZ, don't know why it does that.

When someone is banned....."I can see dead posters"  :D ;) :)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Another Golden Moment of Clarity
Post by: georger on September 26, 2014, 01:08:40 PM
Doth the Bard from Blabbins says:

One thing I have found to be a Great Truth among people investigating the case: It is counterproductive to present a viable suspect in the case and expect Cooperland to respond positively. It is not in their best interests to do so because many of them follow another suspect, or have so much time invested in a suspect that they are tempted to play dirty.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Another Golden Moment of Clarity
Post by: MarkBennett on September 26, 2014, 01:31:45 PM
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Doth the Bard from Blabbins says:

One thing I have found to be a Great Truth among people investigating the case: It is counterproductive to present a viable suspect in the case and expect Cooperland to respond positively. It is not in their best interests to do so because many of them follow another suspect, or have so much time invested in a suspect that they are tempted to play dirty.

What Blevins says is absolutely true!  It's what Robert did in 2011 when Marla came forward.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Another Golden Moment of Clarity
Post by: Shutter on September 26, 2014, 02:22:56 PM
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Doth the Bard from Blabbins says:

One thing I have found to be a Great Truth among people investigating the case: It is counterproductive to present a viable suspect in the case and expect Cooperland to respond positively. It is not in their best interests to do so because many of them follow another suspect, or have so much time invested in a suspect that they are tempted to play dirty.

What Blevins says is absolutely true!  It's what Robert did in 2011 when Marla came forward.


So, basically it's not good to produce hard evidence against a suspect on DZ.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Parrotheadvol on September 26, 2014, 03:11:02 PM
Viable suspect????

Now that's funny.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Another Golden Moment of Clarity
Post by: MarkBennett on September 26, 2014, 03:13:26 PM
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Doth the Bard from Blabbins says:

One thing I have found to be a Great Truth among people investigating the case: It is counterproductive to present a viable suspect in the case and expect Cooperland to respond positively. It is not in their best interests to do so because many of them follow another suspect, or have so much time invested in a suspect that they are tempted to play dirty.

What Blevins says is absolutely true!  It's what Robert did in 2011 when Marla came forward.


So, basically it's not good to produce hard evidence against a suspect on DZ.

Just not Kenny!
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Post by: Shutter on September 26, 2014, 07:38:54 PM
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Viable suspect????

Now that's funny.

Sure, why not?

1) Paid cash for his house.....oops, maybe not.
2) He wore farm clothes after the crime....and?
3) He stopped wearing a toupee. did he really have one?
4) He had a lot of money in the bank. we know where it came from.
5) He said he had a secret, but couldn't tell? I have a car for sale, but you can't buy it?  8)
6) The guy who started it all (Lyle) admitted KC "was probably not the hijacker" I have the proof! (not releasing yet)  8)
7) Decoded concluded KC might be Cooper, but said Bernie wasn't the accomplice. Fire in the hole   :-X
8] Possible Tina knows KC...
9) Valuable Stamp/Coin collection....where?
10) Expensive clock given to Bernie's sister. could of got it dirt cheap overseas.
11) Proof Dawn purchased a home in early 1972, show $5,000 deduction, anything other than family claiming it.
12) Blevins now claims Cooper wanted to jump much earlier, so why was Bernie in the old jump zone waiting for the short bald guy to surface?
13) The "witnesses" only talk to Robert? red flag!


I'm sure I left plenty out, but I can see why I am on the no trust list  ;D Mr. Blevins should be taking the passenger list and trying to contact them, or  try and contact any of the Stews. instead he sits on DZ boasting about how "Viable" KC is? he doesn't even hand deliver anything to the FBI who is right in his backyard! 8) yep, he's all about the truth all right!

"Viable suspect????

Now that's funny."

+1  :D


Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on September 27, 2014, 01:56:33 PM
About 99% of airports on X-Plane only have the airstrips due to the amount of time it would take to make them. this airport (KSFO) was made by some kid. most of the software today is done by the younger generation, sometimes in there early teens. they can take several months to complete. this is one of the best I've seen yet. they have what is called "payware" but sometimes the free ones are better.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQweKMVm-n8
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Post by: Shutter on September 28, 2014, 01:19:57 PM
While reading some of the old newspapers from the 70's, I couldn't help but notice some of the ads in the paper from local supermarkets.

Those were the days!!

2014...Publix GreenWise Lamb Shoulder Blade Chops Antibiotic Free – $5.49/lb
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - 47th departure announcement
Post by: georger on September 29, 2014, 03:59:15 AM
RMB announced his 47th permanent departure from Dropzone tonight.  :-* :-\ :-X 8) :o :( >:( ;D :D ;) :)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - 47th departure announcement
Post by: Shutter on September 29, 2014, 07:02:48 AM
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RMB announced his 47th permanent departure from Dropzone tonight.  :-* :-\ :-X 8) :o :( >:( ;D :D ;) :)


Yep, and if you believe that then Kenny Christiansen was DB Cooper. what happened to the people he was interviewing, or came forward? he was acting like all kinds of new evidence surfaced, and the NEW 53 pages of bullshit added to the older version of bullshit? he does what ever he can to keep the story rolling just like Jo does.

Over the years he claims Cooper didn't take up any of his time. in fact he made it a point to tell people Cooper is not his life, so, why would one have to take a deserving break from something that never took much time up in the first place? Robert Blevins is not being honest with himself, or the thread!

I'll say it again.......Smoke and Mirror's......end of story.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - 47th departure announcement
Post by: 18C on September 29, 2014, 04:41:32 PM
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RMB announced his 47th permanent departure from Dropzone tonight.  :-* :-\ :-X 8) :o :( >:( ;D :D ;) :)

Yep, and if you believe that then Kenny Christiansen was DB Cooper. what happened to the people he was interviewing, or came forward? he was acting like all kinds of new evidence surfaced, and the NEW 53 pages of bullshit added to the older version of bullshit? he does what ever he can to keep the story rolling just like Jo does.

Over the years he claims Cooper didn't take up any of his time. in fact he made it a point to tell people Cooper is not his life, so, why would one have to take a deserving break from something that never took much time up in the first place? Robert Blevins is not being honest with himself, or the thread!

I'll say it again.......Smoke and Mirror's......end of story.

I largely avoid the arguments surrounding these two. Sadly though, both seem to be devoting their lives attempting to prove to others something that deep down they probably don't even believe themselves. But there's an assumption attached to that. Because I've seen and heard of cases where people live a lie for so long and with such intensity that eventually they believe it unequivocally to be the truth.
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Post by: Shutter on September 29, 2014, 05:07:42 PM
It's sad when you really look at from our point of view. Jo really thinks the Jefferson prison photo is the holly grail. I think it's a very poor example of him being Cooper. it just show's how hard Jo wants to believe it. Robert has the same virus that doesn't allow him to see the truth behind anything against his suspect. nothing can be said to change there minds. If Cooper was found today. you can bet Jo would connect him to Duane within a week.

Duane spent half of his life in prison. after listening to Jo, he has done more things than anyone could without being locked up..... 8)
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Post by: MarkBennett on September 29, 2014, 06:51:39 PM
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While reading some of the old newspapers from the 70's, I couldn't help but notice some of the ads in the paper from local supermarkets.

Those were the days!!

2014...Publix GreenWise Lamb Shoulder Blade Chops Antibiotic Free – $5.49/lb

This is funny!   I had the same experience a few months ago.

When I was searching the newspapers in 1984, I came across an ad for Betamax.  It said "Beta Max.  7 million users can't be wrong". ;D
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Post by: Shutter on September 29, 2014, 07:26:36 PM
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While reading some of the old newspapers from the 70's, I couldn't help but notice some of the ads in the paper from local supermarkets.

Those were the days!!

2014...Publix GreenWise Lamb Shoulder Blade Chops Antibiotic Free – $5.49/lb

This is funny!   I had the same experience a few months ago.

When I was searching the newspapers in 1984, I came across an ad for Betamax.  It said "Beta Max.  7 million users can't be wrong". ;D


I remember those days  :D I was the guy who had to show everyone how to set the recording time, and stop the clock from blinking 12:00  ;D :D ;)

(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/lifestyle/files/2014/05/Typical-VCR-from-the-early-decade-of-the-1980s-generation.jpg)
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Post by: 18C on September 29, 2014, 10:36:07 PM
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While reading some of the old newspapers from the 70's, I couldn't help but notice some of the ads in the paper from local supermarkets.

Those were the days!!

2014...Publix GreenWise Lamb Shoulder Blade Chops Antibiotic Free – $5.49/lb

This is funny!   I had the same experience a few months ago.

When I was searching the newspapers in 1984, I came across an ad for Betamax.  It said "Beta Max.  7 million users can't be wrong". ;D

Betamax. We all remember those things. 7 million can't be wrong  ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 29, 2014, 11:34:57 PM
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While reading some of the old newspapers from the 70's, I couldn't help but notice some of the ads in the paper from local supermarkets.

Those were the days!!

2014...Publix GreenWise Lamb Shoulder Blade Chops Antibiotic Free – $5.49/lb

This is funny!   I had the same experience a few months ago.

When I was searching the newspapers in 1984, I came across an ad for Betamax.  It said "Beta Max.  7 million users can't be wrong". ;D


I remember those days  :D I was the guy who had to show everyone how to set the recording time, and stop the clock from blinking 12:00  ;D :D ;)

(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/lifestyle/files/2014/05/Typical-VCR-from-the-early-decade-of-the-1980s-generation.jpg)

Aaaaaaaaaaargh! Not that thing again!  :-\ :-\ :-X   Just remember: millions of people voted for Nixon and bought the Chevy Corvair! My grandmother was one of them. The Highway Patrol pulled her out of the ditch on Homecoming 1963. We were mortified! She survived with a couple of bruises. 
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Post by: Shutter on September 29, 2014, 11:49:40 PM
The Chevy Corvair brings back bad memories. I was in the sixth grade, my friend Dave Thomas was in the passenger seat, and his brother was driving with Mark Anderson in the back. it was a snowy evening and they lost control hitting the side of a concrete bridge. Dave lost his life that night, his brother (driver) broke his legs, and Mark (in the back) ended up with a scar on his face as a reminder. the car wrapped around the concrete railing on the passenger side where Dave was. I remember my whole family going to the milk Creamery where the police parked the car around back. this was back in the early mid 70's.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on September 29, 2014, 11:50:19 PM
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It's sad when you really look at from our point of view. Jo really thinks the Jefferson prison photo is the holly grail. I think it's a very poor example of him being Cooper. it just show's how hard Jo wants to believe it. Robert has the same virus that doesn't allow him to see the truth behind anything against his suspect. nothing can be said to change there minds. If Cooper was found today. you can bet Jo would connect him to Duane within a week.

Duane spent half of his life in prison. after listening to Jo, he has done more things than anyone could without being locked up..... 8)

The thing that bugs me about Jo is she has talked to hundreds of people - multiple times. She drives people nuts with her calling. She actually has talked to Tina, Himmelsbach maybe a hundred times (or H's wife!), Rataczak, and anyone and everyone she could ever get to answer a phone. From all of that she has presented herself as an expert on the case! When she repeatedly says "Rataczak told me threy were east of V23 when Cooper bailed" I almost half beieve it. It could be true that Rataczak told her that. If it is true Rataczak told her that .... Im not sure what the implications of that are!

About two years after Blevins had been at DZ I dropped a hint on Jo, knowing her phone habits, and I suggested she should call Lyle Christiansen and get to the bottom of the Fitzsimmons interview, and I'll be damned if she didn't call Lyle, not once but three or four times!,  and Lyle admitted he had been on that radio program. Jo then reported back to me. I was flabbergasted and laughing! You dont tempt Jo with a dare - she will do it! For the next whole week Jo and I pestered Blevins with "I talked to Lyle" and Blevins denied it had happened. Jo got into it with Blevins with me sitting here taking it all in. Blevins continued to deny Lyle had ever been on any radio program with Fitzsimmons and Galen (his mortal enemy), calling me a liar. Again, you dont tempt Jo on a dare. She WILL DO IT!
 
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Post by: georger on September 29, 2014, 11:52:22 PM
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The Chevy Corvair brings back bad memories. I was in the sixth grade, my friend Dave Thomas was in the passenger seat, and his brother was driving with Mark Anderson in the back. it was a snowy evening and they lost control hitting the side of a concrete bridge. Dave lost his life that night, his brother (driver) broke his legs, and Mark (in the back) ended up with a scar on his face as a reminder. the car wrapped around the concrete railing on the passenger side where Dave was. I remember my whole family going to the milk Creamery where the police parked the car around back. this was back in the early mid 70's.

We got rid of my grandmother's Corvair immediately. Those things had no front end control and as you say, no traction on snow or ice. A rolling coffin.
 
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Post by: Shutter on September 30, 2014, 12:01:17 AM
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The Chevy Corvair brings back bad memories. I was in the sixth grade, my friend Dave Thomas was in the passenger seat, and his brother was driving with Mark Anderson in the back. it was a snowy evening and they lost control hitting the side of a concrete bridge. Dave lost his life that night, his brother (driver) broke his legs, and Mark (in the back) ended up with a scar on his face as a reminder. the car wrapped around the concrete railing on the passenger side where Dave was. I remember my whole family going to the milk Creamery where the police parked the car around back. this was back in the early mid 70's.

We got rid of my grandmother's Corvair immediately. Those things had no front end control and as you say, no traction on snow or ice. A rolling coffin.

This was a little different. It's my understanding that they played chicken with the on coming vehicle. the bridge was one lane. I guess they tried to avoid the on coming vehicle striking the concrete railing/ side. it had to been high speed. the car was U shaped, or the dimension of the structure.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 03, 2014, 01:50:54 PM
I've been reading the DZ. seems Jo is really reaching now trying to claim she held a 20 with "Dan Cooper" in red ink. what's next?

Jo & Blevins both need to take there whole story to the FBI and get to the bottom of this. Robert lives right in the backyard of the Seattle FBI, but sends his material? he whines about the police not taking action with Cossey. I guess he can tell us about the other burglaries in the area he is claiming? such as the M.O. used in them to connect it to Cossey? he always seems to have the answers to what LE should do.

The two main posters on DZ play games of disclosure. it's ridiculous to take that position, credibility is damaged further!!

IMO this photo should be the header on that site.  8)
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Post by: georger on October 03, 2014, 05:39:06 PM
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I've been reading the DZ. seems Jo is really reaching now trying to claim she held a 20 with "Dan Cooper" in red ink. what's next?

Jo & Blevins both need to take there whole story to the FBI and get to the bottom of this. Robert lives right in the backyard of the Seattle FBI, but sends his material? he whines about the police not taking action with Cossey. I guess he can tell us about the other burglaries in the area he is claiming? such as the M.O. used in them to connect it to Cossey? he always seems to have the answers to what LE should do.

The two main posters on DZ play games of disclosure. it's ridiculous to take that position, credibility is damaged further!!

IMO this photo should be the header on that site.  8)

What it is, is Perverse!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 12:40:55 PM
I found a recent thread about Cooper. it has a poster by the name of "spider" and he is showing a lot of safecrackers videos. I wonder if this is him.

http://checkhookboxing.com/showthread.php?46363-D-B-COOPER-in-1971-pulled-off-the-BIGGEST-CRIME-MYSTERY-EVER-and-never-caught/page43
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Post by: georger on October 04, 2014, 01:39:51 PM
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I found a recent thread about Cooper. it has a poster by the name of "spider" and he is showing a lot of safecrackers videos. I wonder if this is him.

http://checkhookboxing.com/showthread.php?46363-D-B-COOPER-in-1971-pulled-off-the-BIGGEST-CRIME-MYSTERY-EVER-and-never-caught/page43

There is nothing in Logic that requires we even look at Duane Weber in connection with the DB Cooper case. We told Spider that when he was at DZ with his socalled lens of logic. His "lens" is nothing more than a bunch of false assumptions. His "logic" is nothing more than Spider himself making "choices" among "options" he alone sees! He makes it sound like he has invented some new tool to apply to the Cooper case, when in fact all it is is just one more Windbag promoting false hope.

Spider, we were told, worked in the county road dept - lots of maps. He likes charts! He connected charts and maps with Venn diagrams and trees, and he somehow decided trees could be used to make choices in the DB Cooper case. He tried to attach probabilities to nodes on trees! Carr got pretty excited about Spider's work until Spider failed to produce anything of significance (or new).

In fact, Spider is operating in the same vacuum the rest of us are. Except that he likes Pompous Performance art, just like Blevins and Jo.
   

 
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Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 01:47:09 PM
I kind of figured it was him. especially with his close attention to Weber....
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Post by: georger on October 04, 2014, 01:51:47 PM
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I kind of figured it was him. especially with his close attention to Weber....

Go back and read his first posts at DZ. It is clear he has settled on Weber very early - for no real reason at all.

I think he was just trying to impress the Weber fans at DZ.... which he did. That won him entry into the DZ Weber Fan Club, and it all went down hill from there .... he ran out of wind like they all do.

The funny thing to me is: we all use logic in one form or another. We all "reason" and use "reasoning".

Spider's announced goal was to 'reveal previously unknown connections ie truths in the Cooper case using "Through the Lens of Logic". One example, is Spider (SafecrackingPLF he called himself) presented detailed maps of all of the creeks and tributaries along the flight path and tries to construct a likely path for the money to Tina Bar, using Logic? Of course the greater fact was that 'there are no obvious connections between all of these tributaries and creeks' that would allow for a best-path to Tina Bar, under any high water scenario Safe had chosen. In the end all we got was a bunch of nice pretty maps of creeks and tributaries available in Safe's County office. I saved all of those maps just in case they might come into play in the future.

Then it turned out Safe does not know as much about Logic and formal systems as he thinks he does! NWA and the FBI turned to the Air Force for a search map based on the data in hand at the time. That resulted in the NWA/FBI Search map which is a probability line of where Cooper may (or may not) have bailed, based on the data they had at the time. There is a real "lens of logic". That map is a computer assisted Bayesian analysis of the flight data available at the time done by the Air Force, and with similar data a Bayesian analysis could have been done in 1980 to try and construct probability options for how the money got to Tina Bar, and in a sense that analysis was done by two hydrologists and Dr Palmer who decided the Washougal basin had the best probability of being the source!

Nothing in Safecracking aka 'Spider's through the lens of logic can even approach that degree of accuracy

Even by 1976, according to Himmelsbach, everyone involved in this mystery had concluded 'there is something wrong with our data'! Himmelsbach suddenly announces 'we now think Cooper bailed some 12 miles north of Portland and a statement like that is only possible if the previous flight data has been re-evaluated and adjusted, but by who? When? Where? By the Air Force working with Solderlind etc? We just don't know.

Safecracking aka 'Spider' doesn't have that data! All Safecracking has is performance art videos titled: Through the Lens of Logic. And I seriously doubt Safecracking even knows what a "Bayesian" analysis is, much less has ever done one!

The original (white map) developed by the Air Force and sued by NWA and the FBI to search for Cooper in 1971-72, and the (yellow map) released by Carr are related. I don't think there is any question about that. H announces in '76 that the latest estimate of where Cooper bailed is now "12 miles north of Portland" and reaction to that announcement is a audible "thud" (nobody cares!). Carr comes to DZ in 2008 and his primary interest is "where within the 12 mile zone - announced in 1976", did Cooper bail! The focus is not the flight path itself, but where on the flight path timewise did Cooper bail. (Something accommodates money winding up on Tina Bar later).

In the meantime, neither SafecrackingPLF or R99 or Hominid or Blevins! or Jo Weber or Paul Quade, or anyone else has been given NEW flight data by the FBI or anyone else. Bruce Kitt at NWA-History or the folks at WSHM have not been given actual flight data or an underacted copy of the ATC Transcript to work with! All efforts to obtain that data have been resisted, formally, for some reason. More powerful all-knowing minds than mine can conjecture and debate why releasing that data, if it exists, is being resisted.

And Safecracking hasn't revealed anything NEW either, using his "Through the Lens of Logic".

Maybe Safecracking can use his "Logic" to tell us what those codes in black magic marker on the FBI Map are ?

       
 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 02:01:07 PM
Did you notice that thread was on a boxing forum  8)  ;D :D

I'm working on the photo gallery right now. you might want to take a peep. any photo's relating to the gallery would be helpful.
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Post by: georger on October 04, 2014, 02:48:40 PM
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Did you notice that thread was on a boxing forum  8)  ;D :D

I'm working on the photo gallery right now. you might want to take a peep. any photo's relating to the gallery would be helpful.

I added more verbiage to mine above . . .
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Blevins on mtDna Codis
Post by: georger on October 04, 2014, 03:59:27 PM
Blev is now asking Lyle to get a dna workup, but which one - what kind? Funny!  ::) Didn't we cover this for Ole Blev clear back in 2010? He never reads the thread! Oh well. Stumbling around. R99 telling Blev the tests conducted by folks like the National Geographic are not compatible with what the FBI wants-needs! Yepper! It's pretty clear Blev has opened yet one more Pandora's box. Very likely he will be lost in the woods again trying to figure his way out of this while embarrassment accumulates again. Smarm-boy Blevins has worked himself into a corner again; he can't get out of. This will be followed by terse comments from Blevins about Cooper Royalty, the Alternate site, dirty tricks and evil things people have done against him and Gayla, followed by a 110th announcement to leave Cooperland only to return 10 minutes later.  Jesus wept, before laughing!  What Blevins needs is a miracle!  :D :D :D :D :D   
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Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 04:18:43 PM
It will be a complete waste. even if he gets it right and the test comes back negative he will claim it's not conclusive enough. one expensive circle.

Funny how Lyle claims he wants to know. according to Fiz. Lyle stated he doesn't believe his brother was Cooper. why mess with the cost? who's chain is getting yanked here?
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Post by: georger on October 04, 2014, 04:33:40 PM
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It will be a complete waste. even if he gets it right and the test comes back negative he will claim it's not conclusive enough. one expensive circle.

Funny how Lyle claims he wants to know. according to Fiz. Lyle stated he doesn't believe his brother was Cooper. why mess with the cost? who's chain is getting yanked here?

The whole thing is perverse. None of them want to know if Kenny was DBC. All they ever wanted was "the idea" which is what Lyle clearly stated right from the git-go ............... and here they are years later via Blevins still promoting "the idea". Jo Weber is in the same exact category. Never mind the cost! Some argue there is no cost since worrying about the Cooper case is a waste of time, anyway.

Off-Topic Off-Topic:
Stanford 7 ~ ND 0.  First Quarter.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 04:39:21 PM
Sorry G, I was checking out the "off topic" quotes on your post  ;D :D :)

The package uploaded ok, but the off topic bubble is not working  :-X
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on October 04, 2014, 05:01:32 PM
The point that Blevins misses is the FBI has no budget for any of this stuff.  He's assuming that if he gets a DNA test profile on Lyle, the FBI will compare it.  It seems doing that isn't free either.  Nothing my happen.

I don't really understand how accurate the partial match DNA is.  As I recall during the O.J. trial (and that was almost 20 years ago) was that when they found three people's blood at the scene (and in O.J.'s Bronco) that the chances of them being someone else's besides O.J., Nicole and Goldman was something like one in 6 trillion.  I took that to mean there likely was not two people in the world who matched any of the profiles, but it wasn't impossible.

Now, if all they had was a blood type, you could exclude people but not positively identify anyone.  If it was O+ or A+, it could still match up to 1/3 of the population.  If it was AB-, it would be less than one percent. I have never read anything that gave any idea how many people the partial DNA would match.  I do remember Carr saying (and I'm paraphrasing from memory) he was reluctant to compare anyone's DNA against the partial sample unless they were a reasonable suspect because the sponsor of a particular suspect would likely jump to conclusions not justified by the results of the test.

Georger understands this DNA stuff better than I do. Maybe he can phrase it better.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 05:06:41 PM
The DNA is weak that they have. it can only exclude a suspect. Lyle's DNA couldn't be used in the test either. it has to be Kenny's. Robert will just whine about the fact of them not knowing for sure if it's Cooper's DNA. no justice will come of this once it comes back negative.

Personally, I'd like to see where Robert spent $13,000 on this. I can't buy into that either!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on October 04, 2014, 05:16:31 PM
That was my question "how weak is it?".

If they had only a blood type, that could only exclude a suspect just like the DNA sample.  But common blood types like A+ or O+ might belong to a third of the population.  So, a non-matching blood type would only exclude about 2/3 of the population.  That's not very exclusive -- and in fact would be of minimal value.    If the partial DNA sample is common to even 10% of the population, it could exclude 90%.  If it was common to 20% of the population, it could exclude 80%.  How exclusive is it?  Based on what Carr said, I get the impression it's not very exclusive.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 05:20:09 PM
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That was my question "how weak is it?".

If they had only a blood type, that could only exclude a suspect just like the DNA sample.  But common blood types like A+ or O+ might belong to a third of the population.  So, a non-matching blood type would only exclude about 2/3 of the population.  That's not very exclusive -- and in fact would be of minimal value.    If the partial DNA sample is common to even 10% of the population, it could exclude 90%.  If it was common to 20% of the population, it could exclude 80%.  How exclusive is it?  Based on what Carr said, I get the impression it's not very exclusive.

It's my understanding that it's an extremely small sample. it's possible it might not be from Cooper if the tie didn't belong to him. it's also possible the FBI is with holding information about this, I don't know. Georger will have a much better response....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on October 04, 2014, 06:20:37 PM
A few other items I'm not sure I remember......When Marla had DNA tested, wasn't it from one of LD's children?  The interesting part of that DNA is, according to Marla, the FBI and Marla already knew it wasn't a match when Marla went public.  The FBI was still pursuing a match on fingerprints (which came back negative a year or so later).  So, maybe the FBI doesn't have much confidence in that sample.
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Post by: Robert99 on October 04, 2014, 07:06:17 PM
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A few other items I'm not sure I remember......When Marla had DNA tested, wasn't it from one of LD's children?  The interesting part of that DNA is, according to Marla, the FBI and Marla already knew it wasn't a match when Marla went public.  The FBI was still pursuing a match on fingerprints (which came back negative a year or so later).  So, maybe the FBI doesn't have much confidence in that sample.

My interpretation of the phrase "can only exclude" is that the FBI has a small number of "factors" (I am sure that the DNA people have a better word for it) that they consider valid.  If the test sample DOES NOT match ALL of those FBI "factors", then they can exclude the sample donor.  If the test sample DOES match ALL of the FBI's "factors", then the number of matches is still not large enough to be statistically conclusive for legal purposes.
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Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 07:16:49 PM
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A few other items I'm not sure I remember......When Marla had DNA tested, wasn't it from one of LD's children?  The interesting part of that DNA is, according to Marla, the FBI and Marla already knew it wasn't a match when Marla went public.  The FBI was still pursuing a match on fingerprints (which came back negative a year or so later).  So, maybe the FBI doesn't have much confidence in that sample.

My interpretation of the phrase "can only exclude" is that the FBI has a small number of "factors" (I am sure that the DNA people have a better word for it) that they consider valid.  If the test sample DOES NOT match ALL of those FBI "factors", then they can exclude the sample donor.  If the test sample DOES match ALL of the FBI's "factors", then the number of matches is still not large enough to be statistically conclusive for legal purposes.


I'm trying to find the subject about using family members. I read it somewhere that it would be good enough? still looking.

I was looking back on DZ and came upon Blevins posting this...

"Face it. The DNA thing is a DEAD END, and it gets worse the more you look at it: For DNA testing to work from an item of evidence (rather than just taken from a subject) the sample must be uncontaminated. The most minute mixing of DNA (see: skin cells from other people) with other DNA renders it completely useless and will generate false results that will not identify an actual person, but a mixed and false profile. So any comparisons you make to those results will be useless as well. Your 'result' won't even be a real person."
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Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 07:25:31 PM
Larry Carr

"In reference to the tie, we only know Cooper was described as wearing a black tie with a clasp and a black tie with a clasp was found in the seat Cooper had been sitting in. In regards to the DNA, if it is Coopers tie (more likely his than not) then at least one of the donors would most likely be Cooper.

Having said that and given the facts surrounding the tie and DNA, DNA in this case could not 100% rule anyone out or in as being DB Cooper. Even if a subject matched as being one of the donors, that would not absolutely make him DB Cooper."

Gray says:

Even the DNA sample from the case (a trace of saliva on Cooper’s clip-on tie that may or may not be from his mouth) isn’t good enough to allow a definitive match.

Larry Carr again:

The first were the fingerprints themselves. When agents dusted off the plane that Cooper jumped from after it landed in Reno on the night of November 24th, 1971, Carr told me there were too many fingerprints around 18E, the seat where Cooper sat, to learn which one was the hijacker's. Agents dusted every page of the in-flight magazine resting in front of the hijacker, but how could they be sure which prints were Cooper's and which were other passengers, or crew members?

The other piece of evidence Cooper definitely did touch were eight Raleigh filter-tipped cigarette butts, found by agents in the ashtray of row 18, where he was sitting. These cigarettes were crucial for Carr to test because they would not only have fingerprints on them —prints that were definitely Cooper's — but they would also contain traces of saliva.

The problem, Carr found, was that it was unclear where the cigarette butts were — perhaps in Reno, where the plane landed, or FBI headquarters in Las Vegas, or Quantico, where they were initially tested in the early 1970's. Without the butts, there was no DNA evidence — even a faint trace of saliva discovered on the clip-on tie the hijacker left behind wasn't a big enough sample, Carr said, to identify his precise genetic code.
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Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 08:44:23 PM
I'll be interested in Lyle's response to the DNA. looking back I found two things that Robert has a problem with. #1 I asked him not to long ago how Dawn was able to know all of the things about Kenny after being in Washington only a couple months. he responded telling me I was wrong. (see photo)

Also, it appears Lyle already gave the go for testing of the DNA.....

If you ask me Roberts "witnesses" would fall apart in 5 minutes with the FBI!!!

The photo was made by Farf just in case you couldn't figure that out  ;D :D

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Post by: MarkBennett on October 04, 2014, 09:08:34 PM
Well, we have some doubts about a lot of Dawn's story.  And, we don't know whether that was Dawn saying it, or Robert relating it.

We believe Dawn was widowed, not divorced.  Might not be a big deal, but Robert didn't really check her out as much as he said he did if he's wrong.

Also, if what Robert said last week is true,  Kenny may have bought his house for no cash -- just an assumed mortgage and a promissory note.  Just the way someone with limited funds would be able to buy a house.

So, the circumstances of any loan Dawn received are a big question mark.  One characteristic of a good interviewer is being curious.  We have this questions because Robert either accepted everything at face value or interpreted what he heard in a way that would match his preconceived notions.
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Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 09:41:05 PM
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Well, we have some doubts about a lot of Dawn's story.  And, we don't know whether that was Dawn saying it, or Robert relating it.

We believe Dawn was widowed, not divorced.  Might not be a big deal, but Robert didn't really check her out as much as he said he did if he's wrong.

Also, if what Robert said last week is true,  Kenny may have bought his house for no cash -- just an assumed mortgage and a promissory note.  Just the way someone with limited funds would be able to buy a house.

So, the circumstances of any loan Dawn received are a big question mark.  One characteristic of a good interviewer is being curious.  We have this questions because Robert either accepted everything at face value or interpreted what he heard in a way that would match his preconceived notions.



The whole story is falling apart. the money can be explained. it appears the house can be explained. we have Lyle admitting his brother "probably wasn't Cooper" witnesses not being honest. I said it over a year ago. all he has is a bunch of he said, she said. you don't need
the FBI to put them in separate rooms.

Don't forget Bernie and his wife don't like each other. stories can be born out of that mess!!
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Post by: MarkBennett on October 04, 2014, 10:32:38 PM
If there was anything new, Robert would be shouting it to the world.  It doesn't make much sense to say you're doing research but you're not going to share it with the small group of people who are still interested in a 40 year old hijacking.
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Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 10:38:24 PM
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If there was anything new, Robert would be shouting it to the world.  It doesn't make much sense to say you're doing research but you're not going to share it with the small group of people who are still interested in a 40 year old hijacking.


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That is a weapon of choice he is using to have an excuse for not showing anything neeeeeeeew..... ;D :D ;)
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Post by: Shutter on October 04, 2014, 10:55:12 PM
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We have so many problems with Dawn's statements. according to Robert she had a good paying job. she has kids to support. unless her credit was bad (doubtful) why would she go to a stranger for a HUGE sum of money? then we have issues about when she was married, or single as Robert claims.

We now have Robert admitting Dawn didn't know Kenny very well, just like Carolyn Powell. either they made it all up, or Lyle had a hand in it, to possibly Robert stating things out of context, or just plain didn't happen the way they said it. he has a very one sided story. he has zero rights to whine about Marla on anything IMHO.
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Post by: georger on October 04, 2014, 11:45:33 PM
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We have so many problems with Dawn's statements. according to Robert she had a good paying job. she has kids to support. unless her credit was bad (doubtful) why would she go to a stranger for a HUGE sum of money? then we have issues about when she was married, or single as Robert claims.

We now have Robert admitting Dawn didn't know Kenny very well, just like Carolyn Powell. either they made it all up, or Lyle had a hand in it, to possibly Robert stating things out of context, or just plain didn't happen the way they said it. he has a very one sided story. he has zero rights to whine about Marla on anything IMHO.

Shutter says: We now have Robert admitting Dawn didn't know Kenny very well

And there it is. Piece by piece, Blevins has undone virtually every claim he began with, or developed along the way. Is there anything left of his original claims and socalled 25-reasons? What has this all been for and about, from this maintenance guy at Auburn WA who claims to be some famous writer-editor?

Before long he will drop his new dna quests also, due to cost. I told him in 2010 I would have Lyle's dna profile done for free; by people who are recognised experts in the field! Blevins replied: "I dont need no stinkin dna!"  :o

BS in. BS out. This whole thing is a farce and perverse.

 
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Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2014, 12:03:09 AM
The whole bunch of them have Jerry Springer written all over them  ;D :D ;) :)
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Post by: Robert99 on October 05, 2014, 12:04:27 AM
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We have so many problems with Dawn's statements. according to Robert she had a good paying job. she has kids to support. unless her credit was bad (doubtful) why would she go to a stranger for a HUGE sum of money? then we have issues about when she was married, or single as Robert claims.

We now have Robert admitting Dawn didn't know Kenny very well, just like Carolyn Powell. either they made it all up, or Lyle had a hand in it, to possibly Robert stating things out of context, or just plain didn't happen the way they said it. he has a very one sided story. he has zero rights to whine about Marla on anything IMHO.

Shutter says: We now have Robert admitting Dawn didn't know Kenny very well

And there it is. Piece by piece, Blevins has undone virtually every claim he began with, or developed along the way. Is there anything left of his original claims and socalled 25-reasons? What has this all been for and about, from this maintenance guy at Auburn WA who claims to be some famous writer-editor?

Before long he will drop his new dna quests also, due to cost. I told him in 2010 I would have Lyle's dna profile done for free; by people who are recognised experts in the field! Blevins replied: "I dont need no stinkin dna!"  :o

BS in. BS out. This whole thing is a farce and perverse.

Agreed.  It is HIGHLY unlikely that Blevins or Lyle will pay for, or even permit, any DNA testing that meets law enforcement standards.  Blevins seems to be trying to cover his posterior as he ducks out the back door on the Cooper matter.

And Jo Weber's apparent belief that she thought Duane had included a Cooper $20 bill in a container that was placed inside Symba and buried with him is far beyond anything that I can describe as rational. 
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Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2014, 12:11:01 AM
Well, lets just see what happens. I'll keep his Feb. 2012 post from DZ as backup when he tries to back out of not doing the test.
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Post by: georger on October 05, 2014, 12:21:26 AM
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Well, lets just see what happens. I'll keep his Feb. 2012 post from DZ as backup when he tries to back out of not doing the test.

The standard NatGeo type test tests to the level of genetic family called haplotype,  but not to the level of markers compatible with the CODIS system used by the FBI for general forensic testing in the USA. This was explained to Blevins years ago, based on his assertion he was 'something of an expert in genetics' which turned out to be nothing but a lie on Blevins' part. Now he is trapped. Lyle doesn't know anything about these matters and Blevins hasn't the faintest idea what to tell Lyle to do (whose test to take)!  This has now gone full circle. Blevins will predictably back out saying "I never said that .... it was only an idea ......... with months more of nonsense to follow) 

Strangely, 377 has a son who works at a genetics (dna testing) company! 377 has remained silent where he could easily offer services to Bevins, but instead remains aloof .... 377 offered to do genetic testing for the FBI!
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Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2014, 12:30:21 AM
I'm sure he will slowly back out just like he does with the Auburn crap. I'll send him this photo  ;D :D ;)
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Post by: georger on October 05, 2014, 04:47:11 AM
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I'm sure he will slowly back out just like he does with the Auburn crap. I'll send him this photo  ;D :D ;)

While Blevins mocks us at Dropzone, I have some news for him. Blevins' call for dna testing for Lyle could very easily backfire. My advice to "dumbass" is to get some professional advice before launching into dna testing, especially concerning what dna testing of Lyle can and cannot provide with respect to the FBI's CODIS profile it has, because once excluded there is no turning back!  :)  That is the minimum that could go wrong for Blevins and Lyle. And there will be no turning back once that happens. Blevins is potentially leading Lyle into a black hole, which is not where Lyle wants to go.

Quite obviously Blevins has not thought this through because he knows nothing about it.

What are the odds the FBI will cooperate with Blevins or Lyle in any event? Zero.  :) 

Once it begins to sink in on Blevins he will find some excuse to withdraw from this course of action.  :o :o :o just like he has everything else the windbag developed claiming. 

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Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2014, 09:53:43 AM
Let's get back to the DNA. Bobby will be here today to learn about this 8) where did I read that family members couldn't be used? I thought it was Carr who said it, but I can't find anything to date. this is why I want to start a data base showing things such as the DNA. I must be wrong about this, or it has slipped by on me?

trace of saliva discovered on the clip-on tie the hijacker left behind wasn't a big enough sample Carr said, to identify his precise genetic code.

would a family member be close enough to be used?
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Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2014, 10:40:46 AM
Sailshaw, I'm going to be making a suspect file for the photo gallery. would you mind, if you have the time to give a description of why you believe Sheridan Peterson could be DB Cooper. just basic facts about him possibly being Cooper. I'll be putting all of the known suspects with a photo and description into the gallery (hopefully) without error's.

Doesn't have to be right away. take your time..

Thanks
Shutter
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Post by: MarkBennett on October 05, 2014, 01:02:25 PM
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I'm sure he will slowly back out just like he does with the Auburn crap. I'll send him this photo  ;D :D ;)

While Blevins mocks us at Dropzone, I have some news for him. Blevins' call for dna testing for Lyle could very easily backfire. My advice to "dumbass" is to get some professional advice before launching into dna testing, especially concerning what dna testing of Lyle can and cannot provide with respect to the FBI's CODIS profile it has, because once excluded there is no turning back!  :)  That is the minimum that could go wrong for Blevins and Lyle. And there will be no turning back once that happens. Blevins is potentially leading Lyle into a black hole, which is not where Lyle wants to go.

Quite obviously Blevins has not thought this through because he knows nothing about it.

What are the odds the FBI will cooperate with Blevins or Lyle in any event? Zero.  :) 

Once it begins to sink in on Blevins he will find some excuse to withdraw from this course of action.  :o :o :o just like he has everything else the windbag developed claiming.

Shutter, I agree that you need to challenge Robert on DZ when he makes stuff up about this site or accuses you of excluding him for some other reason.   But the rest of it?  How do you argue with somebody who insists the sky is green?  I think Robert knows he doesn't have anything (where is that new edition of his book?), but he wants someone to challenge him so he can post back.  I think we're better off if we just ignore him when he posts items that can't be supported.
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Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2014, 01:32:27 PM
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I'm sure he will slowly back out just like he does with the Auburn crap. I'll send him this photo  ;D :D ;)

While Blevins mocks us at Dropzone, I have some news for him. Blevins' call for dna testing for Lyle could very easily backfire. My advice to "dumbass" is to get some professional advice before launching into dna testing, especially concerning what dna testing of Lyle can and cannot provide with respect to the FBI's CODIS profile it has, because once excluded there is no turning back!  :)  That is the minimum that could go wrong for Blevins and Lyle. And there will be no turning back once that happens. Blevins is potentially leading Lyle into a black hole, which is not where Lyle wants to go.

Quite obviously Blevins has not thought this through because he knows nothing about it.

What are the odds the FBI will cooperate with Blevins or Lyle in any event? Zero.  :) 

Once it begins to sink in on Blevins he will find some excuse to withdraw from this course of action.  :o :o :o just like he has everything else the windbag developed claiming.

Shutter, I agree that you need to challenge Robert on DZ when he makes stuff up about this site or accuses you of excluding him for some other reason.   But the rest of it?  How do you argue with somebody who insists the sky is green?  I think Robert knows he doesn't have anything (where is that new edition of his book?), but he wants someone to challenge him so he can post back.  I think we're better off if we just ignore him when he posts items that can't be supported.


I have ignored a lot of his recent comments. the last one on DZ was probably just another attempt to fire up the basically dead thread. I refuse to go page after page with him from past experience. every once in a while he needs a reality check. he flat out lied about his reasons for the ban. Cook had zip to do with it. the moderators fail to see he instigates bad discussion constantly. as long as they allow it, the problem will never really cease.

It's all very tiring, but it always flares up every so often. it's almost like he diverted the attention away from the DNA discussion.

one of those quotes above was not made by me by the way.......
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Post by: georger on October 05, 2014, 02:44:00 PM
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I'm sure he will slowly back out just like he does with the Auburn crap. I'll send him this photo  ;D :D ;)

While Blevins mocks us at Dropzone, I have some news for him. Blevins' call for dna testing for Lyle could very easily backfire. My advice to "dumbass" is to get some professional advice before launching into dna testing, especially concerning what dna testing of Lyle can and cannot provide with respect to the FBI's CODIS profile it has, because once excluded there is no turning back!  :)  That is the minimum that could go wrong for Blevins and Lyle. And there will be no turning back once that happens. Blevins is potentially leading Lyle into a black hole, which is not where Lyle wants to go.

Quite obviously Blevins has not thought this through because he knows nothing about it.

What are the odds the FBI will cooperate with Blevins or Lyle in any event? Zero.  :) 

Once it begins to sink in on Blevins he will find some excuse to withdraw from this course of action.  :o :o :o just like he has everything else the windbag developed claiming.

Shutter, I agree that you need to challenge Robert on DZ when he makes stuff up about this site or accuses you of excluding him for some other reason.   But the rest of it?  How do you argue with somebody who insists the sky is green?  I think Robert knows he doesn't have anything (where is that new edition of his book?), but he wants someone to challenge him so he can post back.  I think we're better off if we just ignore him when he posts items that can't be supported.

I seriously doubt Lyle will go through with testing for a number of reasons. Firstly, if Lyle winds up in the National Data base he exposes himself and others to being matched for unsolved crimes, based on familial traits! Who knows what is out there to be connected with. This is what I mean by "Blevins is leading Lyle into a black hole". Blevins has not thought this through. If Kenny, for example, has a criminal background separate from anything related to the DB Cooper case, dna testing for Lyle might provide an unexpected match to something else Kenny was involved with not to mention other Christiansen family members; in fact, there is a much higher risk of that happening than that 'Kenny was DB Cooper'.  Once again old Dumbass is leading Lyle down a primrose path  of no return. Lyle's familial data will be in the system - forever!

Here are a couple of links Mr. Blevins might want to read, if he has any brains making recommendations for Lyle and Lyle's family. All of that, just for starters.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/biometric-analysis/codis/familial-searching                     and
http://www.biology.arizona.edu/human_bio/activities/blackett2/str_codis.html

Kenny being Cooper started out as "a good idea", in Lyle's mind. Blevins came on-board. If genetic information makes it less likely Kenny was DB Cooper, then both Lyle and Blevins have lost their "good idea".

As to the DB Cooper sample, we have conflicting information. We have "saliva" and we have "epithelial skin cells" by two different accounts. There are varying reliability issues in either case. When Larry Carr said: "trace of saliva discovered on the clip-on tie the hijacker left behind wasn't a big enough sample", the conclusion according to Carr is: "we only have a partial" which refers to test results in the 13-CODIS system which may be as few as 5-7 markers out of 13, after multiple tests the FBI ran leading to a the identification of 5-7 markers the FBI feels it can have a degree of confidence in. That is not a high level of reliability. Accordingly, Carr says: "it cannot provide a close match with people, but it can be used to exclude people". Moreover, it is my information that this was the result not after one test, but after a series of tests (at least three tests). All things considered, that would not be a high degree of reliability to have to go to Court with, unless the FBI has something better Carr did not announce!  Test results for Lyle will be compared to that ‘partial’ the FBI has.  That could or could not result in a reliable comparison!

Would the FBI cooperate with Blevins and Lyle to conduct such tests? That seems unlikely on a number of counts, the least of which is the FBI's need to preserve and protect the evidence it has, and not to share it with "glory seeking idiots out on some witch-hunt" who have not provided any compelling collateral evidence that points to Kenny having been DB Cooper .

It is patently obvious to me that Mr. Blevins is the sort of person who would throw anyone under a bus to get what he wants, just as would Jo Weber, unthinking and regardless of the consequences to others. Blevins keeps saying all he wants is the Truth but regardless of the consequences for others. The actual truth may be that it would be in Lyle's and his family's best interests to cut all ties with Mr. Blevins, as soon as possible before Blevins leads them deeper into a situation all of them might wind up regretting!


     

 

 
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Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2014, 04:05:22 PM
I guess we will have to wait and see how he plays it out. we have Robert on record stating Lyle would pay. let's just see what happens.
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Post by: georger on October 05, 2014, 05:02:00 PM
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I guess we will have to wait and see how he plays it out. we have Robert on record stating Lyle would pay. let's just see what happens.

They may throw all risk to the wind and go for it. It will give them something to yammer about making new claims, endlessly. The risk is Lyle's, not Blevins. Blevins is just supplying the gun, as it were, for the Christiansen family to shoot itself with, potentially. Blevins could care less -
   
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Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2014, 05:14:35 PM
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I guess we will have to wait and see how he plays it out. we have Robert on record stating Lyle would pay. let's just see what happens.

They may throw all risk to the wind and go for it. It will give them something to yammer about making new claims, endlessly. The risk is Lyle's, not Blevins. Blevins is just supplying the gun, as it were, for the Christiansen family to shoot itself with, potentially. Blevins could care less -
 

Sadly, as I mentioned before. when the test comes back negative I don't think it will change one thing! Robert will quickly go into damage control and blame it on weak DNA, or the possibility it's not Cooper's DNA. it's a waste of money anyway you look at it. nothing good will come of it.
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Post by: Parrotheadvol on October 05, 2014, 08:06:41 PM
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I found a recent thread about Cooper. it has a poster by the name of "spider" and he is showing a lot of safecrackers videos. I wonder if this is him.

http://checkhookboxing.com/showthread.php?46363-D-B-COOPER-in-1971-pulled-off-the-BIGGEST-CRIME-MYSTERY-EVER-and-never-caught/page43

I'm pretty sure that "Spider" is not Safecrack.
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Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2014, 08:57:25 PM
How cool is this! I'm going to Nautical Ventures tomorrow to fix the canopy we installed several months ago. I didn't know until tonite that it is owned by Roger Moore. he is suppose to be there tomorrow to go over the issues on the canopy.


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Post by: MarkBennett on October 05, 2014, 09:02:38 PM
Cool!  Don't be shocked if he looks a little older than that.
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Post by: Shutter on October 05, 2014, 09:31:59 PM
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Cool!  Don't be shocked if he looks a little older than that.


I haven't seen him in years. I'll have to look up his newest photo's just to see what he looks like now....

Wow, he is 86 years old.......
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Post by: georger on October 05, 2014, 11:47:06 PM
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I guess we will have to wait and see how he plays it out. we have Robert on record stating Lyle would pay. let's just see what happens.

They may throw all risk to the wind and go for it. It will give them something to yammer about making new claims, endlessly. The risk is Lyle's, not Blevins. Blevins is just supplying the gun, as it were, for the Christiansen family to shoot itself with, potentially. Blevins could care less -
 

Sadly, as I mentioned before. when the test comes back negative I don't think it will change one thing! Robert will quickly go into damage control and blame it on weak DNA, or the possibility it's not Cooper's DNA. it's a waste of money anyway you look at it. nothing good will come of it.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Bleevins doesn't believe genes even exist! Except when it is him who wants to use it! And then he doesn't know anything about it. He's screwed no matter which direction he turns.  ;) 
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Post by: MarkBennett on October 06, 2014, 12:03:52 AM
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I guess we will have to wait and see how he plays it out. we have Robert on record stating Lyle would pay. let's just see what happens.

They may throw all risk to the wind and go for it. It will give them something to yammer about making new claims, endlessly. The risk is Lyle's, not Blevins. Blevins is just supplying the gun, as it were, for the Christiansen family to shoot itself with, potentially. Blevins could care less -
 

Sadly, as I mentioned before. when the test comes back negative I don't think it will change one thing! Robert will quickly go into damage control and blame it on weak DNA, or the possibility it's not Cooper's DNA. it's a waste of money anyway you look at it. nothing good will come of it.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Bleevins doesn't believe genes even exist! Except when it is him who wants to use it! And then he doesn't know anything about it. He's screwed no matter which direction he turns.  ;)

I think you had Lyle pegged before.  He just wants a movie, he doesn't want to solve the case.

Robert is a true believer.  He is sure Kenny was the hijacker, and he's threatened by anyone who suggests otherwise.  I think he will try to go ahead with the DNA because he's so sure and wants to show everyone he was right.  The lack of any evidence doesn't stop him because he's a true believer.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 06, 2014, 12:24:45 AM
According to Robert. Lyle has the money for the test. he should have been hiring people to look into his story if he truly believed his brother was Cooper. we are talking about one of the best unsolved mysteries, and they just sit on this without really having things research properly. If I was in that position, you wouldn't see me spending time online arguing the points. I would go right to the FBI with lawyer's, or what ever was needed to show them I mean business. I would demand to be heard.

I think Lyle was hoping "into the past"....I mean blast  8) would bring enough attention for Lyle to get his dream script into motion. the book flopped, leaving Lyle with nothing but false hopes. either Robert has the worse case of denial I have ever seen, or he just runs with it hoping himself that it will put him on the map as a writer.

Lye is a inventor. his mind never stops working on idea's. I think he probably did watch Unsolved Mysteries and came up with the idea for a movie. Blevin's likes to write Sci-Fi. another inventor of things. put the two together and KC is born.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on October 06, 2014, 12:48:41 AM
I just shake my  head on Robert's last post on DZ about what happens when you lay truth on people.  I can't figure out if he's delusional or his just lying.  Like I said before, not worth arguing with someone says the sky is green.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 06, 2014, 12:57:40 AM
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I just shake my  head on Robert's last post on DZ about what happens when you lay truth on people.  I can't figure out if he's delusional or his just lying.  Like I said before, not worth arguing with someone says the sky is green.


He does it to instigate. I'm still waiting for the half page response to my two comments. I think he is waiting until later so he can have the last word. he doesn't even realize he is "attacking" this is what he claims everyone else does to him? I think we are beyond "amazed"......
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 06, 2014, 01:03:57 AM
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I guess we will have to wait and see how he plays it out. we have Robert on record stating Lyle would pay. let's just see what happens.

They may throw all risk to the wind and go for it. It will give them something to yammer about making new claims, endlessly. The risk is Lyle's, not Blevins. Blevins is just supplying the gun, as it were, for the Christiansen family to shoot itself with, potentially. Blevins could care less -
 

Sadly, as I mentioned before. when the test comes back negative I don't think it will change one thing! Robert will quickly go into damage control and blame it on weak DNA, or the possibility it's not Cooper's DNA. it's a waste of money anyway you look at it. nothing good will come of it.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Bleevins doesn't believe genes even exist! Except when it is him who wants to use it! And then he doesn't know anything about it. He's screwed no matter which direction he turns.  ;)

I think you had Lyle pegged before.  He just wants a movie, he doesn't want to solve the case.

Robert is a true believer.  He is sure Kenny was the hijacker, and he's threatened by anyone who suggests otherwise.  I think he will try to go ahead with the DNA because he's so sure and wants to show everyone he was right.  The lack of any evidence doesn't stop him because he's a true believer.

Lyle has always been up front about what he had and wants - a 'good idea' and a 'movie script'. He's had some kind of flirtation with Hollywood for years; if not promoting local pretty girls to Hollywood talent agents, then 'good ideas' for a movie and other inventions, some of which he and one of his sons have patented. That's why Lyle went to NYC to begin with and contacted/hired Porteous, to find a named movie producer and serve as go-between.

I don't know what it is about that area of MN, but what Lyle did is not that unusual and has traditional roots in this area of Minnesota, historically. Two brothers, Joseph Renshaw and Samuel Fletcher Brown, went out East to learn about steam power and brought the first steam engine back to this area of MN ... Jos. Renshaw Brown died on the streets of NYC visiting banks to get financing for the application of steam engines to Midwestern agriculture in Minnesota. Hypsibeth Adelia Snow established the first Minnesota Institute of the Arts in this rural area of Minnesota, devoted to training local talent in piano, painting, and sculpture, with the goal of supplying Minnesota talent to the cultural centers of both coasts. She died in New York City trying to raise funds in her eighties to keep her work going back in Minnesota.  Lyle's interests and actions follow a rich rural tradition in his area of MN. It has something to do with the psyche of some isolated rural people who thirst for a outlet and a connection with the rest of society -

Mr. Blevins comes out of a totally different tradition.

   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 06, 2014, 01:07:19 AM
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I just shake my  head on Robert's last post on DZ about what happens when you lay truth on people.  I can't figure out if he's delusional or his just lying.  Like I said before, not worth arguing with someone says the sky is green.

I see it as a threat. His claim is he has been wronged. (like Jo Weber claims). I think Blevins is a person with psychological problems, period. Dropzone has a long history of supporting such types. It's personal with Quade and Sangiro - only they could explain it. Both Blevins and Weber constantly complain they are "martyrs" who only want the truth, and do what they do for the purpose of communicating "The Truth"! But of course only they have the truth. The rest of us have been perma-banned by our lack of manners and actions from any chance at having "the truth"!  It's a psychological game Blevins and Weber play to justify anything they do ... and renders competition with them impossible. They alone define the rules and the rules change minute by minute, daily. It's no wonder 377 dubbed Blevins The Venom Magnet. It's no wonder Blevins is constantly calling for protection and claims evil acts have been committed against him, along with death threats phoned into the City of Auburn regarding him !???

The central fact about Mr. Blevins is he doesnt tell the WHOLE truth about anything. That is his calling card. Everything he says is partial and selective and serves his own purpose. He talks about all of the people here who were perma-banned at Dropzone! Never mind that he has been banned three or four times and people finally had to leave Dropzone to get away from his attacks because Moderators at DZ would not act! And the half truths expand out from there to include virtually everything Blevins has ever said about anything, since joining Dropzone. And he finishes by telling his critics that "they can't stand the truth!". Case closed.

 

 

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 07, 2014, 10:33:19 AM
The Lyle dna thingy -  ;D

Will the FBI play ball with Blevy? Not likely. Will the FBI play ball with Arc Point Labs to the extent they will release their genetic work to Arc Point? Not likely. The FBI must be careful not to say or do anything that Blevy can leverage, because we know he will try to leverage this anyway.

If Arc Point refers their work to the FBI will the FBI comment? Maybe. Very likely they will say something and whatever they say Blevins will leverage it.

What Blevins may say, if the FBI releases no specific information to Arc Point or Blevy, is that 'the FBI's failure to specifically state Lyle/Kenny have not been excluded specifically means Lyle/Kenny were not excluded which means they are not excluded! In other words, that tests results proved Kenny is not excluded! In other words, Blevins will do what he always does - claims things that are not true or were not proven to be true.

Blevins will keep the pressure on for months if not years to come, just as Jo Weber tries to do daily. This could last years with endless 'articles' and 'filings' and 'revisions' ad nauseum. Blevins will now have material for a movie script ... which is what he and Lyle wanted all along.  ;) A pulp novel about how Jack & Jill went up the hill, drank at the magical dna spring, and came down the hill as Thor and Brunnhilde with Siegfried at their side! A happy ending uber alles for all concerned, at the Adventure Books well of DB Cooper uber alles. Arbeit macht frei.  :P     

   



   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: EVickiW on October 07, 2014, 11:51:29 AM
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The Lyle dna thingy -  ;D

Will the FBI play ball with Blevy? Not likely. Will the FBI play ball with Arc Point Labs to the extent they will release their genetic work to Arc Point? Not likely. The FBI must be careful not to say or do anything that Blevy can leverage, because we know he will try to leverage this anyway.

If Arc Point refers their work to the FBI will the FBI comment? Maybe. Very likely they will say something and whatever they say Blevins will leverage it.

What Blevins may say, if the FBI releases no specific information to Arc Point or Blevy, is that 'the FBI's failure to specifically state Lyle/Kenny have not been excluded specifically means Lyle/Kenny were not excluded which means they are not excluded! In other words, that tests results proved Kenny is not excluded! In other words, Blevins will do what he always does - claims things that are not true or were not proven to be true.

Blevins will keep the pressure on for months if not years to come, just as Jo Weber tries to do daily. This could last years with endless 'articles' and 'filings' and 'revisions' ad nauseum. Blevins will now have material for a movie script ... which is what he and Lyle wanted all along.  ;) A pulp novel about how Jack & Jill went up the hill, drank at the magical dna spring, and came down the hill as Thor and Brunnhilde with Siegfried at their side! A happy ending for all concerned uber alles, at the Adventure Books Well of DB Cooper. Arbeit macht frei.  :P     


When my liaison at NamUs http://www.namus.gov/, a fellow Department of Justice organization, sent her third email to Curtis Eng:

Agent Eng,
     Please accept this as my formal request to request the FBI lab to compare the DNA samples you have of D.B. Cooper, with the samples that the University of N. Texas has with one Melvin Wilson, UNT missing person MP# 15178.
     This potential match has been requested before, but was not responded to.
     Your assistance with this comparison would be greatly appreciated.


 She received this canned response:

From: Dietrich, Ayn S. [Ayn.Dietrich@ic.fbi.gov]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 5:32 PM
To: (hidden)
Cc: Eng, Curtis J.
Subject: RE: Request DNA comparison ref D.B. Cooper

Hello, (hidden)—
 
I work with Special Agent Eng in the FBI Seattle field office and I handle inquiries from the media and public.  SA Eng forwarded me your email so I could explain to you the limitations we face in responding to your inquiry.
 
During any given investigation, the FBI receives many tips, follows many leads, and talks to many people.  In accordance with DOJ policy, we cannot discuss details of ongoing investigations. This includes not disclosing subjects considered and/or excluded, and investigative techniques that may be used.  I understand the public and valued partners to the FBI are curious about the FBI's investigative process, and they may rest assured that the FBI pursues all leads that we believe will provide us with information of investigative value. 

SA Eng has received your messages and handled them appropriately.  I apologize that we are unable to disclose the nature and extent of our investigative response.
 
Regards,
Ayn


If the FBI does not work with other associates within the Department of Justice system...why would they work with a local DNA testing agency?

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 07, 2014, 02:50:27 PM
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The Lyle dna thingy -  ;D

Will the FBI play ball with Blevy? Not likely. Will the FBI play ball with Arc Point Labs to the extent they will release their genetic work to Arc Point? Not likely. The FBI must be careful not to say or do anything that Blevy can leverage, because we know he will try to leverage this anyway.

If Arc Point refers their work to the FBI will the FBI comment? Maybe. Very likely they will say something and whatever they say Blevins will leverage it.

What Blevins may say, if the FBI releases no specific information to Arc Point or Blevy, is that 'the FBI's failure to specifically state Lyle/Kenny have not been excluded specifically means Lyle/Kenny were not excluded which means they are not excluded! In other words, that tests results proved Kenny is not excluded! In other words, Blevins will do what he always does - claims things that are not true or were not proven to be true.

Blevins will keep the pressure on for months if not years to come, just as Jo Weber tries to do daily. This could last years with endless 'articles' and 'filings' and 'revisions' ad nauseum. Blevins will now have material for a movie script ... which is what he and Lyle wanted all along.  ;) A pulp novel about how Jack & Jill went up the hill, drank at the magical dna spring, and came down the hill as Thor and Brunnhilde with Siegfried at their side! A happy ending for all concerned uber alles, at the Adventure Books Well of DB Cooper. Arbeit macht frei.  :P     


When my liaison at NamUs http://www.namus.gov/, a fellow Department of Justice organization, sent her third email to Curtis Eng:

Agent Eng,
     Please accept this as my formal request to request the FBI lab to compare the DNA samples you have of D.B. Cooper, with the samples that the University of N. Texas has with one Melvin Wilson, UNT missing person MP# 15178.
     This potential match has been requested before, but was not responded to.
     Your assistance with this comparison would be greatly appreciated.


 She received this canned response:

From: Dietrich, Ayn S. [Ayn.Dietrich@ic.fbi.gov]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 5:32 PM
To: (hidden)
Cc: Eng, Curtis J.
Subject: RE: Request DNA comparison ref D.B. Cooper

Hello, (hidden)—
 
I work with Special Agent Eng in the FBI Seattle field office and I handle inquiries from the media and public.  SA Eng forwarded me your email so I could explain to you the limitations we face in responding to your inquiry.
 
During any given investigation, the FBI receives many tips, follows many leads, and talks to many people.  In accordance with DOJ policy, we cannot discuss details of ongoing investigations. This includes not disclosing subjects considered and/or excluded, and investigative techniques that may be used.  I understand the public and valued partners to the FBI are curious about the FBI's investigative process, and they may rest assured that the FBI pursues all leads that we believe will provide us with information of investigative value. 

SA Eng has received your messages and handled them appropriately.  I apologize that we are unable to disclose the nature and extent of our investigative response.
 
Regards,
Ayn


If the FBI does not work with other associates within the Department of Justice system...why would they work with a local DNA testing agency?

 8) 8) 8) Precisely.
Thanks!

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 07, 2014, 05:25:37 PM
Was Melvin ever on radar with the FBI and DB Cooper? did they ever look into the possibility, or are they basically going to turn down everyone even if they supply the cost?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: EVickiW on October 07, 2014, 05:56:09 PM
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Was Melvin ever on radar with the FBI and DB Cooper? did they ever look into the possibility, or are they basically going to turn down everyone even if they supply the cost?

I spoke with Eng on February 11, 2011. He called me at work on the advice of Jerry Thomas. After he introduced himself, he  said, with hesitance... "sooooo......why dooooo you think your dad was Dan Cooper?" After our short conversation he asked me to send him an email detailing some of the things we spoke about on the phone.

Here is the email:

Agent Eng,

So nice to speak with you about my father, Melvin Luther Wilson. I do not know if he IS DB Cooper, but the similarities are alarming and I believe the FBI should consider comparing his fingerprints. 

Since 2008, I have felt my father,Melvin Luther Wilson, could also be a viable D. B. Cooper suspect. I do not have years of background on my father, but feel he is a physical match to the original descriptions of the witnesses on the night of the hi-jacking.

A little background.....My father was born in September 8, 1927 in the San Francisco/Oakland area. He joined the Navy. He spent time in California prisons before and during his first marriage. He entered San Quentin prison in 1954 then left his first family upon the end of his sentence. We have no history of his whereabouts from the time he was released from San Quentin until he met my mother in 1963 in Las Vegas Nevada.

Our family was profiled on an Unsolved Mysteries video that aired on March 27, 1997. It was taped two days prior to Thanksgiving in Hawaii in 1996.

(I supplied Eng the link here, however this link is now dead and I have reloaded the video on Youtube here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhjSnvlzG0w&list=UUIqXiJ2EOfl_ZaV8DN3V1oQ)

In 2008, the St. Paul Newspaper, Pioneer Press, ran a story shortly after the parachute was found, the hi-jacking and D. B. Cooper. At that time, my coworker asked if I had seen the paper. It was laying on my desk. I looked at the sketch and simultaneously, she asked me "did you ever think D.B Cooper could be your dad"? as I thought "that sketch looks like my dad". I never really gave it much thought prior to that day. Honestly I never heard of D.B. Cooper before that day.

Our father left our family in 1971, a few months prior to the hi-jacking. He was on bail for counterfeiting charges out of the Western Branch of the Wisconsin U.S. Marshal's office. He has not been heard from since and is currently a wanted fugitive from justice.

A few items from the video:

He matches the physical description
- 6' and 180 lbs
- dark hair parted on the left
- olive complexion
- smoked/drank. ( I cannot tell you what brands/type of alcohol as I was 7 when he left, my Mom saved the stamps from his cigarette packs)
- He wore sunglasses, but never prescription glasses. (My Mom said it was because he was vain)
- He spent 5 years in St Paul, Minnesota before he left us. He did travel frequently.
- He wore suits, ties and loafers.
- He was in the Navy.
- He spent time in San Quentin and Leavenworth. 


Earlier I read statements from the FBI site, that the man known as Dan Cooper was a desperate man, with no family that may have missed him. As of September 1971, my father was already gone and not coming home. We would not have missed him or reported him missing.

He has never been heard from since 1971 (to the best of our knowledge).


After one month and not receiving a response back from Eng, Jerry Thomas called him. Eng told Jerry that he did not think my dad looked much like the sketch and that he was not going to pursue it. Is it a coincidence that this was the same time Marla was also speaking to the FBI about her uncle, L.D.?

So to answer your question.....I don't know if Mel is on the radar, however I know they looked up his case with the mugshot as I gave Eng his FBI # over the phone and he looked it up on his computer as we spoke. He asked me to write the email to him recounting our discussion and I never received a direct response from him. I only heard second-hand from Jerry Thomas. 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 07, 2014, 06:53:23 PM
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Was Melvin ever on radar with the FBI and DB Cooper? did they ever look into the possibility, or are they basically going to turn down everyone even if they supply the cost?

I spoke with Eng on February 11, 2011. He called me at work on the advice of Jerry Thomas. After he introduced himself, he  said, with hesitance... "sooooo......why dooooo you think your dad was Dan Cooper?" After our short conversation he asked me to send him an email detailing some of the things we spoke about on the phone.

Here is the email:

Agent Eng,

So nice to speak with you about my father, Melvin Luther Wilson. I do not know if he IS DB Cooper, but the similarities are alarming and I believe the FBI should consider comparing his fingerprints. 

Since 2008, I have felt my father,Melvin Luther Wilson, could also be a viable D. B. Cooper suspect. I do not have years of background on my father, but feel he is a physical match to the original descriptions of the witnesses on the night of the hi-jacking.

A little background.....My father was born in September 8, 1927 in the San Francisco/Oakland area. He joined the Navy. He spent time in California prisons before and during his first marriage. He entered San Quentin prison in 1954 then left his first family upon the end of his sentence. We have no history of his whereabouts from the time he was released from San Quentin until he met my mother in 1963 in Las Vegas Nevada.

Our family was profiled on an Unsolved Mysteries video that aired on March 27, 1997. It was taped two days prior to Thanksgiving in Hawaii in 1996.

(I supplied Eng the link here, however this link is now dead and I have reloaded the video on Youtube here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhjSnvlzG0w&list=UUIqXiJ2EOfl_ZaV8DN3V1oQ)

In 2008, the St. Paul Newspaper, Pioneer Press, ran a story shortly after the parachute was found, the hi-jacking and D. B. Cooper. At that time, my coworker asked if I had seen the paper. It was laying on my desk. I looked at the sketch and simultaneously, she asked me "did you ever think D.B Cooper could be your dad"? as I thought "that sketch looks like my dad". I never really gave it much thought prior to that day. Honestly I never heard of D.B. Cooper before that day.

Our father left our family in 1971, a few months prior to the hi-jacking. He was on bail for counterfeiting charges out of the Western Branch of the Wisconsin U.S. Marshal's office. He has not been heard from since and is currently a wanted fugitive from justice.

A few items from the video:

He matches the physical description
- 6' and 180 lbs
- dark hair parted on the left
- olive complexion
- smoked/drank. ( I cannot tell you what brands/type of alcohol as I was 7 when he left, my Mom saved the stamps from his cigarette packs)
- He wore sunglasses, but never prescription glasses. (My Mom said it was because he was vain)
- He spent 5 years in St Paul, Minnesota before he left us. He did travel frequently.
- He wore suits, ties and loafers.
- He was in the Navy.
- He spent time in San Quentin and Leavenworth. 


Earlier I read statements from the FBI site, that the man known as Dan Cooper was a desperate man, with no family that may have missed him. As of September 1971, my father was already gone and not coming home. We would not have missed him or reported him missing.

He has never been heard from since 1971 (to the best of our knowledge).


After one month and not receiving a response back from Eng, Jerry Thomas called him. Eng told Jerry that he did not think my dad looked much like the sketch and that he was not going to pursue it. Is it a coincidence that this was the same time Marla was also speaking to the FBI about her uncle, L.D.?

So to answer your question.....I don't know if Mel is on the radar, however I know they looked up his case with the mugshot as I gave Eng his FBI # over the phone and he looked it up on his computer as we spoke. He asked me to write the email to him recounting our discussion and I never received a direct response from him. I only heard second-hand from Jerry Thomas. 


Vicki, as I recall the original story, and correct me if I am wrong - - -

Your father was a counterfeiter of some consequence. That was part of his vita. He was being sought by law enforcement and just prior to being taken into custody Melvin escaped with some of his counterfeiting paraphernalia, and he dumped his plates and some $200,000 dollars in counterfeit bills, which were found along some river along the route of his escape (I forget the city) in 1971. He was never seen again in spite of law enforcement doing an extensive search for him over a number of years. His loss of $200,000 dollars in bogus bills he had printed and intended to use, and Cooper's demand for $200,000 along with saying he had a "grudge", might be more than a coincidence.

Is this account true ? I believe there were newspaper articles detailing the above. ?  If true, were these facts ever conveyed to Eng?

       
Title: Re: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 07, 2014, 06:59:34 PM
The first couple minutes of the video above should answer most of the questions about Melvin.
Title: Re: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: EVickiW on October 07, 2014, 07:20:42 PM
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The first couple minutes of the video above should answer most of the questions about Melvin.

Hey shutter...can you move all the conversation about Melvin Wilson into the "Melvin Wilson" topic page?

We might as well take it all out of this topic since I am now going to respond to georger's question with a detailed to what I know, or have pieced together in the last five years. The timeline of arrest vs. money find, in addition to what my dad did in 1971 is a little bit different than georger's recollection. I will respond to that later tonight.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 07, 2014, 10:20:24 PM
ok, I merged the two split topics back into one. the discussion about Melvin Wilson has move to the "   Missing Persons (Melvin Wilson)" thread for discussion there.....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 09, 2014, 12:31:22 AM
Quotable: If the stuff was so 'boring' on KC, I wouldn't keep seeing him (as well as myself) being discussed all the time over at the alternate site.

seeing "him" (KC) being discussed all the time ?

Replay the tape. I must have missed it on this dinky never read obscure site/forum, one of many DB Cooper sites (he says) ?  Where are these other sites-forums? I missed that too.  :-* :) :) :)





Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 09, 2014, 04:29:00 PM
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Quotable: If the stuff was so 'boring' on KC, I wouldn't keep seeing him (as well as myself) being discussed all the time over at the alternate site.

seeing "him" (KC) being discussed all the time ?

Replay the tape. I must have missed it on this dinky never read obscure site/forum, one of many DB Cooper sites (he says) ?  Where are these other sites-forums? I missed that too.  :-* :) :) :)


He has graduated to "Cyberstalking" status. who exactly is he talking to on DZ? couple week ago it wasn't considered public? he also thinks a proxy blocker is on this forum. I have no blocks on this site now, or any in the last couple months.

He seems to be obsessed with this whole blocking thingy. it burned a hole right through him. he can't handle rejection. Dropzone has gone almost silent. the moderation seems to be absent on that thread allowing him to personally attack me, and this forum. IMO he's just pissing in the wind  8)

Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, a group, or an organization. It may include false accusations, defamation, slander and libel. It may also include monitoring, identity theft, threats, vandalism, solicitation for sex, or gathering information that may be used to threaten or harass.

Cyberstalking is often accompanied by realtime or offline stalking. Both are criminal offenses. Both are motivated by a desire to control, intimidate or influence a victim. A stalker may be an online stranger or a person whom the target knows. He may be anonymous and solicit involvement of other people online who do not even know the target.

Cyberstalking is a criminal offense under various state anti-stalking, slander, and harassment laws. A conviction can result in a restraining order, probation, or criminal penalties against the assailant, including jail.

He has been digging for a while. I wonder how deep he really wants to go?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 09, 2014, 11:35:45 PM
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Quotable: If the stuff was so 'boring' on KC, I wouldn't keep seeing him (as well as myself) being discussed all the time over at the alternate site.

seeing "him" (KC) being discussed all the time ?

Replay the tape. I must have missed it on this dinky never read obscure site/forum, one of many DB Cooper sites (he says) ?  Where are these other sites-forums? I missed that too.  :-* :) :) :)


He has graduated to "Cyberstalking" status. who exactly is he talking to on DZ? couple week ago it wasn't considered public? he also thinks a proxy blocker is on this forum. I have no blocks on this site now, or any in the last couple months.

He seems to be obsessed with this whole blocking thingy. it burned a hole right through him. he can't handle rejection. Dropzone has gone almost silent. the moderation seems to be absent on that thread allowing him to personally attack me, and this forum. IMO he's just pissing in the wind  8)

Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, a group, or an organization. It may include false accusations, defamation, slander and libel. It may also include monitoring, identity theft, threats, vandalism, solicitation for sex, or gathering information that may be used to threaten or harass.

Cyberstalking is often accompanied by realtime or offline stalking. Both are criminal offenses. Both are motivated by a desire to control, intimidate or influence a victim. A stalker may be an online stranger or a person whom the target knows. He may be anonymous and solicit involvement of other people online who do not even know the target.

Cyberstalking is a criminal offense under various state anti-stalking, slander, and harassment laws. A conviction can result in a restraining order, probation, or criminal penalties against the assailant, including jail.

He has been digging for a while. I wonder how deep he really wants to go?

We better stop talking about "him". He/Them-and-they will say we are talking about "him/they"!  They depend on it! :) :) :) :) :) :)

Have a good everything!

G.



 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 12, 2014, 01:18:36 AM
Has anyone seen any posts about Blevins here lately?

 :) :) :)

"I'd be willing to bet that right now (or by tomorrow) people over at your site are discussing my last post here at Dropzone, the one up there about the interview. For some weird reason, you don't want me to see what's being said. And I think the public will find that inherently UNFAIR."

 :D :) :)


Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 12, 2014, 01:25:35 AM
He just keeps going, and going, and going. go look at his You Tube videos. all the comments have been denied! almost like he has something to hide.
 ;D ;) :)

And you can bet he will check, even after ONCE again stating he will not come here anymore!  ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 12, 2014, 02:44:00 AM
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He just keeps going, and going, and going. go look at his You Tube videos. all the comments have been denied! almost like he has something to hide.
 ;D ;) :)

And you can bet he will check, even after ONCE again stating he will not come here anymore!  ;D

Sad.

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 12, 2014, 02:54:00 AM
Not only is it sad, lets examine his "public" response.

1) how in the world would someone new to the case understand, or try and follow what is going on with this Blevins ordeal?

2) Does he really believe he is the center of the DB Cooper saga?

3) It's amazing how so many people contact him about this site. you know the one that nobody can see because I hide everything.

The guy is definitely a couple fries short of a happy meal  ;D :D ;) :)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 12, 2014, 04:20:34 AM
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Not only is it sad, lets examine his "public" response.

1) how in the world would someone new to the case understand, or try and follow what is going on with this Blevins ordeal?

2) Does he really believe he is the center of the DB Cooper saga?

3) It's amazing how so many people contact him about this site. you know the one that nobody can see because I hide everything.

The guy is definitely a couple fries short of a happy meal  ;D :D ;) :)

In a word it's "perverse".

Some of the posts over there tonight under Blevins' name sound like Amazon, not Blevins! They are just too intelligent to be Blevins!

These people are just looking for a Pavlovian response, to prove they exist.

 ;) ;) ;)
 


   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 12, 2014, 09:02:31 AM
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Not only is it sad, lets examine his "public" response.

1) how in the world would someone new to the case understand, or try and follow what is going on with this Blevins ordeal?

2) Does he really believe he is the center of the DB Cooper saga?

3) It's amazing how so many people contact him about this site. you know the one that nobody can see because I hide everything.

The guy is definitely a couple fries short of a happy meal  ;D :D ;) :)

In a word it's "perverse".

Some of the posts over there tonight under Blevins' name sound like Amazon, not Blevins! They are just too intelligent to be Blevins!

These people are just looking for a Pavlovian response, to prove they exist.

 ;) ;) ;)
 


   


Agreed, once again a complete waste of time.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 12, 2014, 02:29:35 PM
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Not only is it sad, lets examine his "public" response.

1) how in the world would someone new to the case understand, or try and follow what is going on with this Blevins ordeal?

2) Does he really believe he is the center of the DB Cooper saga?

3) It's amazing how so many people contact him about this site. you know the one that nobody can see because I hide everything.

The guy is definitely a couple fries short of a happy meal  ;D :D ;) :)

In a word it's "perverse".

Some of the posts over there tonight under Blevins' name sound like Amazon, not Blevins! They are just too intelligent to be Blevins!

These people are just looking for a Pavlovian response, to prove they exist.

 ;) ;) ;)
 


   


Agreed, once again a complete waste of time.

What Blevins is doing is not discussion in any sense of the word, but entrapment by accusation of anyone who disagrees with him or tries to reason with him. He always claims superior information, superior moral purpose, and attacks from an assumed superior moral baseline as if only he is entitled to set the agenda of discussion. It's entrapment..

Amazon, Jeanne Cameron, employs the same technique except in her case sometimes she actually does have some solid information that may be relevant. These people are more interested in trying to destroy all opposition than converting people's points of view with actual information. And in Blevins' case it always turns out his so-called information is false or grossly incomplete or just made up out of whole cloth! Blevins is just a straight out liar who tries to wriggle out of his own dilemma by accusing others of having lied -  Blevins takes no responsibility for anything!

That is why I label his whole modus operandi as "perverse".   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2014, 08:34:00 PM
I think a little humor is in order since Mr. Blevins continues to bash and attack this site, and me personally. I don't understand how they just sit back and allow all of it to happen. oh well, not my problem......I haven't done one of these since the battles with old Bob Knoss.....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 14, 2014, 01:46:07 PM
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I think a little humor is in order since Mr. Blevins continues to bash and attack this site, and me personally. I don't understand how they just sit back and allow all of it to happen. oh well, not my problem......I haven't done one of these since the battles with old Bob Knoss.....

These exchanges with Blevins at Dropzone are COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. It only feeds his ego. It only confirms his importance! It needs to STOP!

Blevins is just a semi-intelligent BULLY and the more he is fed the worse it gets!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on October 14, 2014, 06:40:36 PM
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I think a little humor is in order since Mr. Blevins continues to bash and attack this site, and me personally. I don't understand how they just sit back and allow all of it to happen. oh well, not my problem......I haven't done one of these since the battles with old Bob Knoss.....

These exchanges with Blevins at Dropzone are COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. It only feeds his ego. It only confirms his importance! It needs to STOP!

Blevins is just a semi-intelligent BULLY and the more he is fed the worse it gets!

I agree...but I see how it happens,and I'm as guilty as anyone.  Almost ALL of my first posts on DZ were in response to Blevins.  It was mostly his claim that Marla lied and filed a made-up report to the FBI in order get rich selling books.  And, then the FBI were such buffoons they believed everything Marla said and didn't do any investigation themselves.  He was so desperate to discredit her that he'd say almost anything.  It's very difficult to let that stuff go by unchallenged.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 15, 2014, 12:05:39 PM
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I think a little humor is in order since Mr. Blevins continues to bash and attack this site, and me personally. I don't understand how they just sit back and allow all of it to happen. oh well, not my problem......I haven't done one of these since the battles with old Bob Knoss.....

Thanks.



These exchanges with Blevins at Dropzone are COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. It only feeds his ego. It only confirms his importance! It needs to STOP!

Blevins is just a semi-intelligent BULLY and the more he is fed the worse it gets!

I agree...but I see how it happens,and I'm as guilty as anyone.  Almost ALL of my first posts on DZ were in response to Blevins.  It was mostly his claim that Marla lied and filed a made-up report to the FBI in order get rich selling books.  And, then the FBI were such buffoons they believed everything Marla said and didn't do any investigation themselves.  He was so desperate to discredit her that he'd say almost anything.  It's very difficult to let that stuff go by unchallenged.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 19, 2014, 01:22:21 PM
Mairzy Doats and Dozy Doats at it again on the Liarz Thread at Dropzone.com.

Will not be addressed; has been addressed countless times already. They evidently are starving for attention over there on the Liars Thread at Dropzone.com. It's too bad a few sour apples have to paint the whole skydiving community as nothing more than a seriously maladjusted collection of self-directed sadists, wackos, and slanderers who paint the whole of Dropzone with their broad brush!

There is something lacking in basic intelligence going on "over there"!  :-\

This whole situation of course, defies belief, and is corrupt at its core. Clear back in 2010 after weeks of sitting and reading exchanges between the individual at Auburn and others at Dropzone, including Sluggo, I finally surfaced to ask Mr. Blevins just what his intentions were? Whether he was here at DZ to try and prove some case Gray had not been able to prove regarding Kenny Christiansen, or if something else was going on. I asked Mr. Blevins directly if it was his intention, or perhaps the intention of others he kept describing at Adventure Books, to (a) drive people off of the Dropzopne forum, or (b) if he was trying to have the DZ forum shut down? It was no secret that some of the skydivers at DZ wanted the Cooper thread shut down, and some never wanted it to happen in the first place; had always been on Paul Quade's back about this? Well, the short answer is: Blevins never replied to my question, and when others finally surfaced asking the same question he never replied to them either! No small surprise.

His intentional avoidance of an answer to people - was the answer! I knew right there we were in for a rough ride.

Today, Mr. Blevins keeps telling people Drozone is visited by thousands of viewers, it is the premier Cooper discussion thread on the internet, and only Blevins and Weber and 377 and a hand full for occasional others are left! Blevins keeps talking about me and others having been perma-banned at Dropzone which Blevins openly takes pride in, he claims privileged information in this matter he says he has been told, and he continues to insult and throw accusations against people here who left Dropzone ... just as he was doing at Dropzone clear back in 2010 only weeks after he appeared there! The questions posed to Blevins about his intentions clear back in 2010 have been answered, for all practical purpose!

I guess his intention now is to close this forum down too, by constant attacks. It does not matter if there is any truth in anything he says. It's the constant attacks that matter. (Just as he did in the book reviewers section at Amazon, has done elsewhere including in his own hometown of Auburn Washington regarding something called Good Ole Days, has done and keeps doing at Dropzone, and who knows where else or where it will end?)

The whole thing surpasses conventional understanding or belief.

I guess the Second Coming has arrived, and it's name is Robert Michael Blevins, it's place of residence is Auburn, Wasahington, it's place of work is something called B & G Housecleaning/Adventure Books, and Mr. Blevins has arrived to save us all from ourselves and anyone and anything else on his list !

It has a new 49 page newly revised "Uber Alles" and dna workup on Kenny Christiansen soon to be laid on the World ... and we should all be grateful our Savior has arrived.

When will the oceans part and the graves give up their dead?

Should we worship the witch hunter Puritan Mr. Belvins, or just give him the finger?    :P

 >:(   
           





   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 19, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
That would be 53 pages  ;D ;D

He is also claiming his book is ranking high on Amazon. he should of already known that by sales if it was true. when you look those departments (engineering & transportation) the book is not listed. it's only listed under the glitch on the page where the book is being sold. he would be selling 30 0r 40 a week if it was #3. when you sell a book, the ranking goes up. sometimes a lot! he put that on there just after a sale. after sales drop off again several hours later, the ranking goes back down.

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Books-Engineering-Transportation/zgbs/books/173507/ref=zg_bs_nav_b_1_b




Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 19, 2014, 04:47:26 PM
The kindle version is selling for $1.99. divide that into how many parts between him, Skippy, Gayla, the dude over in the UK, and god knows who else it's paid out to doesn't leave a high profit margin to buy even an ice cream cone.

Sell a 100 @ $1.99 = $199 / 5 = $39.80 big $$$$$$$

Also note the higher ranked books/Kindle versions have high number reviews. the #1 book in Engineering & Transportation has over 600 reviews. that tells a story right there. lots of interest! 27 for Bobby  :'(

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 19, 2014, 07:09:23 PM
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That would be 53 pages  ;D ;D

He is also claiming his book is ranking high on Amazon. he should of already known that by sales if it was true. when you look those departments (engineering & transportation) the book is not listed. it's only listed under the glitch on the page where the book is being sold. he would be selling 30 0r 40 a week if it was #3.

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Books-Engineering-Transportation/zgbs/books/173507/ref=zg_bs_nav_b_1_b

And my last monograph: 'New Evaluation of Data from Language Acquisition Studies in Downs Syndrome Populations Suggests New Educational Approach with Funding Implications' -  never sold a copy. But, it did usher in a few changes in the approach toward training of some handicapped clients at development centers, it spawned further studies and reviews, and it did spawn specific neurological research to ground the validity of language acquisition data in Downs syndrome clients observed.

I guess I should have put it on Amazon to sell!   ???

 
Title: DB Cooper for fun and profit
Post by: MarkBennett on October 20, 2014, 09:12:16 PM
Kind of a little story on DB Cooper.

Last year at Ariel, GreyCop bought ten copies of "Ha Ha Ha" for two dollars a piece and boasted he could sell them for $160 each. 

That's not quite true, but not far off.  I bought a copy and Vicki bought three.  It took until now, but we sold all four of those on Amazon and netted about $235.  So, people do buy them, it just takes awhile.

One of the copies was purchased by someone in Morris, Minnesota -- where Lyle Christiansen lives.   Probably wasn't him, but it might be somebody who was interested in the DB Cooper story because of him.

But, they're all gone now.  GreyCop now can move his!
Title: Re: DB Cooper for fun and profit
Post by: Shutter on October 20, 2014, 10:27:05 PM
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Kind of a little story on DB Cooper.

Last year at Ariel, GreyCop bought ten copies of "Ha Ha Ha" for two dollars a piece and boasted he could sell them for $160 each. 

That's not quite true, but not far off.  I bought a copy and Vicki bought three.  It took until now, but we sold all four of those on Amazon and netted about $235.  So, people do buy them, it just takes awhile.

One of the copies was purchased by someone in Morris, Minnesota -- where Lyle Christiansen lives.   Probably wasn't him, but it might be somebody who was interested in the DB Cooper story because of him.

But, they're all gone now.  GreyCop now can move his!


I wonder what has become of old Grey?
Title: Re: DB Cooper for fun and profit
Post by: georger on October 21, 2014, 12:36:40 AM
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Kind of a little story on DB Cooper.

Last year at Ariel, GreyCop bought ten copies of "Ha Ha Ha" for two dollars a piece and boasted he could sell them for $160 each. 

That's not quite true, but not far off.  I bought a copy and Vicki bought three.  It took until now, but we sold all four of those on Amazon and netted about $235.  So, people do buy them, it just takes awhile.

One of the copies was purchased by someone in Morris, Minnesota -- where Lyle Christiansen lives.   Probably wasn't him, but it might be somebody who was interested in the DB Cooper story because of him.

But, they're all gone now.  GreyCop now can move his!

Amazing. Might be Lyle's son who is heavily invested in the Kenny story. But I would put my money on Lyle himself.
Title: Re: DB Cooper for fun and profit
Post by: georger on October 21, 2014, 12:45:17 PM
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Kind of a little story on DB Cooper.

Last year at Ariel, GreyCop bought ten copies of "Ha Ha Ha" for two dollars a piece and boasted he could sell them for $160 each. 

That's not quite true, but not far off.  I bought a copy and Vicki bought three.  It took until now, but we sold all four of those on Amazon and netted about $235.  So, people do buy them, it just takes awhile.

One of the copies was purchased by someone in Morris, Minnesota -- where Lyle Christiansen lives.   Probably wasn't him, but it might be somebody who was interested in the DB Cooper story because of him.

But, they're all gone now.  GreyCop now can move his!


I wonder what has become of old Grey?

What has become of Bruce ?

Title: Re: DB Cooper for fun and profit
Post by: Shutter on October 21, 2014, 03:27:43 PM
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Kind of a little story on DB Cooper.

Last year at Ariel, GreyCop bought ten copies of "Ha Ha Ha" for two dollars a piece and boasted he could sell them for $160 each. 

That's not quite true, but not far off.  I bought a copy and Vicki bought three.  It took until now, but we sold all four of those on Amazon and netted about $235.  So, people do buy them, it just takes awhile.

One of the copies was purchased by someone in Morris, Minnesota -- where Lyle Christiansen lives.   Probably wasn't him, but it might be somebody who was interested in the DB Cooper story because of him.

But, they're all gone now.  GreyCop now can move his!


I wonder what has become of old Grey?

What has become of Bruce ?

Left for New York a while back, said he would be back in 3 weeks? I think that time has passed.....he was supposed to be back Oct. 14th?
Title: Re: DB Cooper for fun and profit
Post by: georger on October 22, 2014, 12:48:34 AM
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Kind of a little story on DB Cooper.

Last year at Ariel, GreyCop bought ten copies of "Ha Ha Ha" for two dollars a piece and boasted he could sell them for $160 each. 

That's not quite true, but not far off.  I bought a copy and Vicki bought three.  It took until now, but we sold all four of those on Amazon and netted about $235.  So, people do buy them, it just takes awhile.

One of the copies was purchased by someone in Morris, Minnesota -- where Lyle Christiansen lives.   Probably wasn't him, but it might be somebody who was interested in the DB Cooper story because of him.

But, they're all gone now.  GreyCop now can move his!


I wonder what has become of old Grey?

What has become of Bruce ?

Left for New York a while back, said he would be back in 3 weeks? I think that time has passed.....he was supposed to be back Oct. 14th?

Wasn't he going to California once he got back from NYC, something related to a move to CA?
 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Mucho Biggo Announceemento!
Post by: georger on October 24, 2014, 12:44:05 AM
TO ALL CONCERNED!

IT DIDN'T GO AWAY & THE ENDING IT TO THE COOPER STORY IS COMING SOON.

SOME IN WITHIN THE POLITICAL SCENE WILL TRY IN TO STOP THIS - BUT THEY CAN'T! NOW IN IS THE TIME TO REVEAL IN WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN ON NOV 24, 1971.

THE TRUTHS WERE BURIED IN FROM 1962 UNTIL IN RECENTLY...THOSE STILL LIVING WHO WILL IN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

ALL I CAN SAY!


You heard it here - Jo. Weber
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Mucho Biggo Announceemento!
Post by: Robert99 on October 24, 2014, 01:00:11 AM
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TO ALL CONCERNED!

IT DIDN'T GO AWAY & THE ENDING IT TO THE COOPER STORY IS COMING SOON.

SOME IN WITHIN THE POLITICAL SCENE WILL TRY IN TO STOP THIS - BUT THEY CAN'T! NOW IN IS THE TIME TO REVEAL IN WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN ON NOV 24, 1971.

THE TRUTHS WERE BURIED IN FROM 1962 UNTIL IN RECENTLY...THOSE STILL LIVING WHO WILL IN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

ALL I CAN SAY!


You heard it here - Jo. Weber

Whether Jo likes it or not, I am not going to hold my breath until her grand revelation.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Mucho Biggo Announceemento!
Post by: MarkBennett on October 24, 2014, 01:05:29 AM
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TO ALL CONCERNED!

IT DIDN'T GO AWAY & THE ENDING IT TO THE COOPER STORY IS COMING SOON.

SOME IN WITHIN THE POLITICAL SCENE WILL TRY IN TO STOP THIS - BUT THEY CAN'T! NOW IN IS THE TIME TO REVEAL IN WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN ON NOV 24, 1971.

THE TRUTHS WERE BURIED IN FROM 1962 UNTIL IN RECENTLY...THOSE STILL LIVING WHO WILL IN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

ALL I CAN SAY!


You heard it here - Jo. Weber

Hmmm....I wonder if it's about Duane. ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - Mucho Biggo Announceemento!
Post by: georger on October 24, 2014, 02:03:54 AM
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TO ALL CONCERNED!

IT DIDN'T GO AWAY & THE ENDING IT TO THE COOPER STORY IS COMING SOON.

SOME IN WITHIN THE POLITICAL SCENE WILL TRY IN TO STOP THIS - BUT THEY CAN'T! NOW IN IS THE TIME TO REVEAL IN WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN ON NOV 24, 1971.

THE TRUTHS WERE BURIED IN FROM 1962 UNTIL IN RECENTLY...THOSE STILL LIVING WHO WILL IN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

ALL I CAN SAY!


You heard it here - Jo. Weber

Hmmm....I wonder if it's about Duane. ;D

My guess is Tallulah Bankhead talked to Houdini, and Tallulah finally got back to JO - these things take time to work through all the channels. Houdini may have seen Duane hijack the plane, from the other side. Or Houdini has some Cooper twenties he got from Duane's first wife?  ;)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 24, 2014, 10:01:28 AM
So much "Hype" on DZ. I wonder which one will fall first? one claims all the pieces are coming together, while the other thinks the DNA will bust it wide open  8)

I like how they both hate being similar in behavior. it's getting to be like a soap opera.....(tune in next week to find out)  8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 24, 2014, 01:26:52 PM
I was wrong about the amount of schools looking in on this site. another one was here from the Board Of Education Of Elmhurst, Illinois, USA.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 25, 2014, 12:45:16 AM
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So much "Hype" on DZ. I wonder which one will fall first? one claims all the pieces are coming together, while the other thinks the DNA will bust it wide open  8)

I like how they both hate being similar in behavior. it's getting to be like a soap opera.....(tune in next week to find out)  8)

I liked the part about him comparing himself to Kaye and the Science Team, saying if the FBI allowed Kaye to see its files, why not Arc Point and him! 

Blevins makes it sound like Arc Point and him have joined forces, in a common cause? The inference is if Arc Point gets to see FBI work then he will be given it also!  This coming from a guy who has belittled and condemned science and education and genetics as the work of the Devil for years!  He constantly says: Americans can't be fooled and know better" as if he is a judge in the whole matter?

Sounds good on a neo zoom weavie punk rock station. Just doesn't work that way in reality! Duhhhhhhh.   ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: EVickiW on October 25, 2014, 03:00:30 AM
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So much "Hype" on DZ. I wonder which one will fall first? one claims all the pieces are coming together, while the other thinks the DNA will bust it wide open  8)

I like how they both hate being similar in behavior. it's getting to be like a soap opera.....(tune in next week to find out)  8)

I liked the part about him comparing himself to Kaye and the Science Team, saying if the FBI allowed Kaye to see its files, why not Arc Point and him! 

Blevins makes it sound like Arc Point and him have joined forces, in a common cause? The inference is if Arc Point gets to see FBI work then he will be given it also!  This coming from a guy who has belittled and condemned science and education and genetics as the work of the Devil for years!  He constantly says: Americans can't be fooled and know better" as if he is a judge in the whole matter?

Sounds good on a neo zoom weavie punk rock station. Just doesn't work that way in reality! Duhhhhhhh.   ;D

NamUs, a Department of Justice agency and the University of North Texas could not get the DNA results or the FBI (specifically ENG) to sign off on the release of the DNA to compare it with the DNA given by my brother and I.  So what powers does he have that an fellow DOJ agency does not. Pissing in the wind again. 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 25, 2014, 09:39:14 AM
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So much "Hype" on DZ. I wonder which one will fall first? one claims all the pieces are coming together, while the other thinks the DNA will bust it wide open  8)

I like how they both hate being similar in behavior. it's getting to be like a soap opera.....(tune in next week to find out)  8)

I liked the part about him comparing himself to Kaye and the Science Team, saying if the FBI allowed Kaye to see its files, why not Arc Point and him! 

Blevins makes it sound like Arc Point and him have joined forces, in a common cause? The inference is if Arc Point gets to see FBI work then he will be given it also!  This coming from a guy who has belittled and condemned science and education and genetics as the work of the Devil for years!  He constantly says: Americans can't be fooled and know better" as if he is a judge in the whole matter?

Sounds good on a neo zoom weavie punk rock station. Just doesn't work that way in reality! Duhhhhhhh.   ;D

NamUs, a Department of Justice agency and the University of North Texas could not get the DNA results or the FBI (specifically ENG) to sign off on the release of the DNA to compare it with the DNA given by my brother and I.  So what powers does he have that an fellow DOJ agency does not. Pissing in the wind again.

I think he is full of crap. his DNA version is going way too fast.

Instead of contacting the station about the "new suspect" he should of checked a few things. no date is on the website, and when you check on "ebuzzed.com" you will find stories like this one below.

The hoax was first started by ebuzzed, a FAKE news website.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/chumlee-of-pawn-stars-dead-hoax-and-rumors-debunked-116086/


Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 25, 2014, 11:40:48 AM
You might have seen a poster by the name of NMIWrecks. he tried to register here August 14, 2014 and was falsely blocked from one of the bad spam programs from the past. I would like to personally apologize to him for what occurred. I removed the ban triggers that were on his account allowing him to post freely from this point forward.

I am far from perfect as I've mentioned many times in the past. this forum included. I try my best allowing certain things to be said, and stop things when they get out of hand. I try and make this a safe place to go. sometimes I mess things up with programs that are bad, or out of date. it has nothing to do with censorship what so ever! I've blocked us all from here for crying out loud ;D :D ;)

I think in the future I will allow a service to handle the dark side of web forums. this is a spammers delight, a place where they can advertise. they are non-stop in trying to intrude much like Robert Blevins does! a lot goes on behind the scenes here! it's exhausting battling spammers. $90 a year and they do it!

I hope to hear from NMIWrecks on this forum.

Shutter

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 25, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
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So much "Hype" on DZ. I wonder which one will fall first? one claims all the pieces are coming together, while the other thinks the DNA will bust it wide open  8)

I like how they both hate being similar in behavior. it's getting to be like a soap opera.....(tune in next week to find out)  8)

I liked the part about him comparing himself to Kaye and the Science Team, saying if the FBI allowed Kaye to see its files, why not Arc Point and him! 

Blevins makes it sound like Arc Point and him have joined forces, in a common cause? The inference is if Arc Point gets to see FBI work then he will be given it also!  This coming from a guy who has belittled and condemned science and education and genetics as the work of the Devil for years!  He constantly says: Americans can't be fooled and know better" as if he is a judge in the whole matter?

Sounds good on a neo zoom weavie punk rock station. Just doesn't work that way in reality! Duhhhhhhh.   ;D

NamUs, a Department of Justice agency and the University of North Texas could not get the DNA results or the FBI (specifically ENG) to sign off on the release of the DNA to compare it with the DNA given by my brother and I.  So what powers does he have that an fellow DOJ agency does not. Pissing in the wind again.

Well I am restricted by what I can say and I am not making that up, suffice it to say not even SA ENG can just hand FBI work products (genetic) over to Arc Point, or anyone else, without some high level discussions and following protocols. Larry had to follow a few procedures before sharing anything with Tom and I, and Tom and I had to provide credentials and pass an examination. It's not as casual as Blevins describes or wishes it were or could be!

Blevins can sit on a foreign run website (in South Afrika) and run his mouth, lie, and slander people right and left...  but he cannot dictate terms to the FBI.

Who and what are Arc Point?  Arc Point is a franchised testing service. "There are thousands of little franchise companies like that around", to quote a source. "Basically, whoever pays for their service is the person who gets their work products. They are free to send their information to the FBI but that does not mean the FBI has to respond, at all", to quote the same source. "Very likely the FBI would want to run their own tests on the original samples Arc Point used, and of course there would be issues over the veracity (quality) of any samples submitted to Arc Point by some third party. The FBI usually prefers to collect its own samples.", to quote the same source. "And Mr. Blevins and Lyle Christiansen are third parties in this whole matter and their bias and antics are well known which only strengthens the need for sampling being done by the FBI itself, if anything is actually going to happen involving the FBI. Many issues are involved in matters of this kind."

Mr. Blevins is a well-known manipulator and anything he says is automatically suspect. To date, neither Arc Point or the FBI have commented publicly on this matter. It is only Mr. Blevins who is out making public statements, and as Mr. Blevins himself says: "Whatever happens between ArcPoint and the Seattle FBI is between them alone. I'm only giving ArcPoint Lyle's DNA samples and they can handle the rest. Are you kidding? I scrub floors for a living. AB of Seattle is a sideline. What the hell do I know about DNA? Let's say 'not much  :-X'." And the rest of the time Blevins is still launching personal attacks and slanderings against Georger and others at Dropzone! Nothing Mr. Blevins says or does can be taken at face value. 

Any data collected by Arc Point must pass some stringent tests, to be useful. Any comparison of FBI and Arc Point tests results must pass even more stringent tests. The idea that Mr. Blevins will comprehend any of this and it's meaning, is remote, by Blevins' own admission. It also seems likely that the "twerp" at Auburn will still make public statements, making assertions as he always does, making assertions of alleged fact as he always does. It is an impediment everyone will have to live with, unfortunately. Dropzone should be ashamed of itself for hosting and promoting that liar@!

       
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 25, 2014, 04:13:22 PM
That's his main problem, he speaks for everyone surrounding his little story. a year ago he would say, go ahead a contact them, or look it up yourself. once problems started to surface he quickly goes into damage control putting blame on everyone else except Mr. Blevins.

The Mortgage was a major problem brought to his attention. the witnesses not really being honest has become an issue. the large sum of money in his account has been justified. he simply doesn't like being called to the table and quickly shifts the blame to others (diverts)

I can't understand how they allow that to continue on that forum!

People needed to help VERIFY his story.
1) Skipp Porteus
2) Bernie Geestman
3) Margaret Miller
4) Lyle Christiansen!
5) Carolyn Powell/Tyner

He speaks for all of them. none of them have come forward except Bernie, and they concluded he wasn't the accomplice! Lyle only came forward prior to Mr. Blevins.

I also find it strange that China keeps popping up on this forum. 90% of the time it's not spam. I wonder who that could be?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 25, 2014, 05:08:43 PM
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That's his main problem, he speaks for everyone surrounding his little story. a year ago he would say, go ahead a contact them, or look it up yourself. once problems started to surface he quickly goes into damage control putting blame on everyone else except Mr. Blevins.

The Mortgage was a major problem brought to his attention. the witnesses not really being honest has become an issue. the large sum of money in his account has been justified. he simply doesn't like being called to the table and quickly shifts the blame to others (diverts)

I can't understand how they allow that to continue on that forum!

People needed to help VERIFY his story.
1) Skipp Porteus
2) Bernie Geestman
3) Margaret Miller
4) Lyle Christiansen!
5) Carolyn Powell/Tyner

He speaks for all of them. none of them have come forward except Bernie, and they concluded he wasn't the accomplice! Lyle only came forward prior to Mr. Blevins.

I also find it strange that China keeps popping up on this forum. 90% of the time it's not spam. I wonder who that could be?

He just doesn't get it, or care - it's all performance stage act.

That's a central fact: Blevins claims to speak for everyone. He always invokes "The American public".
Maybe he's running for Supervisor of Personal Attacks at Auburn Washington.

After all these years and claims of expertise in everything from Psychology to Nuclear Physics he finally tells us the truth, quote: “I scrub floors for a living. AB of Seattle is a sideline. What the hell do I know about DNA? Let's say 'not much'   ” but he still qualifies that by saying "not much" so he still reserves to himself knowing ‘something which is probably everything’, as needed when making his next personal attack against the truth! The Twerp of Auburn.




 
 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 25, 2014, 05:17:09 PM
He didn't seem to like the "Happy Meal " comment, but also didn't have a problem with his Political BS using the term "red headed stepchild". that's ok, but not the Happy meal comment? rather amusing I'd say... ;D

I just went to Hidemyass.com. he has been here hundreds of times using different IP's they provide. they show them while using the service.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 25, 2014, 05:25:04 PM
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He didn't seem to like the "Happy Meal " comment, but also didn't have a problem with his Political BS using the term "red headed stepchild". that's ok, but not the Happy meal comment? rather amusing I'd say... ;D

I just went to Hidemyass.com. he has been here hundreds of times using different IP's they provide. they show them while using the service.

I always said he was a troll and has a screws lose.  Very likely this will end badly for him.

But the fact is he is supported by other twerps at Dropzone. Hopefully Blevins and Weber will bring them all the attention they so richly deserve. They may need 377's services before its done. !   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 25, 2014, 05:31:46 PM
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He didn't seem to like the "Happy Meal " comment, but also didn't have a problem with his Political BS using the term "red headed stepchild". that's ok, but not the Happy meal comment? rather amusing I'd say... ;D

I just went to Hidemyass.com. he has been here hundreds of times using different IP's they provide. they show them while using the service.

I always said he was a troll and has a screws lose.  Very likely this will end badly for him.

But the fact is he is supported by other twerps at Dropzone. Hopefully Blevins and Weber will bring them all the attention they so richly deserve. They may need 377's services before its done. !


He would fit into the Paranormal world PERFECTLY. his motives are used often in that field. I seen plenty of Blevins while in that field. no matter what you told those people, they didn't believe you. they would follow people who show a vacuum cleaner doing the floor and believe it  ;D :D ;)

They play the twister game big time in the Paranormal world.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 26, 2014, 02:08:41 AM
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He didn't seem to like the "Happy Meal " comment, but also didn't have a problem with his Political BS using the term "red headed stepchild". that's ok, but not the Happy meal comment? rather amusing I'd say... ;D

I just went to Hidemyass.com. he has been here hundreds of times using different IP's they provide. they show them while using the service.

I always said he was a troll and has a screws lose.  Very likely this will end badly for him.

But the fact is he is supported by other twerps at Dropzone. Hopefully Blevins and Weber will bring them all the attention they so richly deserve. They may need 377's services before its done. !


He would fit into the Paranormal world PERFECTLY. his motives are used often in that field. I seen plenty of Blevins while in that field. no matter what you told those people, they didn't believe you. they would follow people who show a vacuum cleaner doing the floor and believe it  ;D :D ;)

They play the twister game big time in the Paranormal world.

They forget that in every hospital gown the butt can be seen!   :P :)  So far they haven't shown any modesty and yet they run around pointing fingers and talking about other people's backsides, all from some galaxy far away! God only knows how they manage that!   ;) 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on October 26, 2014, 02:09:24 AM
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That's his main problem, he speaks for everyone surrounding his little story. a year ago he would say, go ahead a contact them, or look it up yourself. once problems started to surface he quickly goes into damage control putting blame on everyone else except Mr. Blevins.

The Mortgage was a major problem brought to his attention. the witnesses not really being honest has become an issue. the large sum of money in his account has been justified. he simply doesn't like being called to the table and quickly shifts the blame to others (diverts)

I can't understand how they allow that to continue on that forum!

People needed to help VERIFY his story.
1) Skipp Porteus
2) Bernie Geestman
3) Margaret Miller
4) Lyle Christiansen!
5) Carolyn Powell/Tyner

He speaks for all of them. none of them have come forward except Bernie, and they concluded he wasn't the accomplice! Lyle only came forward prior to Mr. Blevins.

I also find it strange that China keeps popping up on this forum. 90% of the time it's not spam. I wonder who that could be?

Interesting point...for how long did Robert say he wanted someone else to pick up the Kenny case and run with it -- including contact the witnesses?  Once you and Smokin99 looked into the financial records -- which at the time and according to "Into the Blast" was the major evidence against Kenny, things started falling apart.  He asked for help, got it and then immediately began being secretive.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 26, 2014, 02:17:22 AM
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That's his main problem, he speaks for everyone surrounding his little story. a year ago he would say, go ahead a contact them, or look it up yourself. once problems started to surface he quickly goes into damage control putting blame on everyone else except Mr. Blevins.

The Mortgage was a major problem brought to his attention. the witnesses not really being honest has become an issue. the large sum of money in his account has been justified. he simply doesn't like being called to the table and quickly shifts the blame to others (diverts)

I can't understand how they allow that to continue on that forum!

People needed to help VERIFY his story.
1) Skipp Porteus
2) Bernie Geestman
3) Margaret Miller
4) Lyle Christiansen!
5) Carolyn Powell/Tyner

He speaks for all of them. none of them have come forward except Bernie, and they concluded he wasn't the accomplice! Lyle only came forward prior to Mr. Blevins.

I also find it strange that China keeps popping up on this forum. 90% of the time it's not spam. I wonder who that could be?

Interesting point...for how long did Robert say he wanted someone else to pick up the Kenny case and run with it -- including contact the witnesses?  Once you and Smokin99 looked into the financial records -- which at the time and according to "Into the Blast" was the major evidence against Kenny, things started falling apart.  He asked for help, got it and then immediately began being secretive.

Another Blevins ploy was his claim employees of NWA were never looked at - investigated. I asked Bruce Kitt about that. He said he thought NWA employees had been 'looked at', from several different directions by several different entities. I brought this up to Blevins and his only reply was: "You had no right to call Bruce Kitt without warning! You had no right to publish Bruce Kitt's words without prior approval from Kitt!" 

It's comebacks like that that make reasonable people want to go have breakfast on Pluto!

   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 26, 2014, 02:29:10 AM
He has twisted it around to where he only claims to trust LE, or the media to research the case (Knoss tactic) it's just another excuse for him to avoid the truth he claims to seek. we have shown legitimate problems with his story. he wants complete control of the story. when it gets out of his hands, he strikes with the trust bomb. he personally owns the "reality hotel" but like a slum landlord he is allergic to the entire building  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 26, 2014, 02:47:37 AM
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He has twisted it around to where he only claims to trust LE, or the media to research the case (Knoss tactic) it's just another excuse for him to avoid the truth he claims to seek. we have shown legitimate problems with his story. he wants complete control of the story. when it gets out of his hands, he strikes with the trust bomb. he personally owns the "reality hotel" but like a slum landlord he is allergic to the entire building  ;D :D ;)

What he is a liar and a manipulator. Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 26, 2014, 02:52:54 AM
Quote
"You had no right to call Bruce Kitt without warning! You had no right to publish Bruce Kitt's words without prior approval from Kitt!" 

Once again the logic goes to the crapper. he gets upset over that, but thinks it's ok to continue to view this site after being banned, and blocked.

I don't have a problem with shuitters site
he censors schools
the only problem I have was Cook, and Shutter handled that.
I removed the shortcut to that site.
I'm not going there anymore.
look what the brainiacs wrote about me.
I like shutters site
the public will pick up quickly the censorship going on over there
I only look when I'm at Gregs house on Sundays
the deadzone
he blocks the public
I don't have a problem with shutters site
only a fool would go there
Georger is your problem now
many have been banned from DZ
you can view DZ, but I can't see your site. how is that fair?
I can view it anytime I wish
lots of people use proxies
nothing but lies over there
they deserve each other
I don't have a problem with shutters site

Who should be crowned a Cooper nut after reading those ridiculous responses Robert has made over the last year! that's not even close to all of them  8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 26, 2014, 03:05:10 AM
I can always tell when Jo is here. she has multiple IP's following here. I counted 6 right now  8) if you look at the amount of guests right now, it's 10, but not really. most of them are Jo's.....
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 26, 2014, 03:09:00 AM
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Quote
"You had no right to call Bruce Kitt without warning! You had no right to publish Bruce Kitt's words without prior approval from Kitt!" 

Once again the logic goes to the crapper. he gets upset over that, but thinks it's ok to continue to view this site after being banned, and blocked.

I don't have a problem with shuitters site
he censors schools
the only problem I have was Cook, and Shutter handled that.
I removed the shortcut to that site.
I'm not going there anymore.
look what the brainiacs wrote about me.
I like shutters site
the public will pick up quickly the censorship going on over there
I only look when I'm at Gregs house on Sundays
the deadzone
he blocks the public
I don't have a problem with shutters site
only a fool would go there
Georger is your problem now
many have been banned from DZ
you can view DZ, but I can't see your site. how is that fair?
I can view it anytime I wish
lots of people use proxies
nothing but lies over there
they deserve each other
I don't have a problem with shutters site

Who should be crowned a Cooper nut after reading those ridiculous responses Robert has made over the last year! that's not even close to all of them  8)

Maybe he has nothing else to talk about and never did! ?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 26, 2014, 02:14:18 PM
"You had no right to call Bruce Kitt without warning!"

without warning? how is that done, do you call him and warn him you are calling him  :D ;D

"You had no right to publish Bruce Kitt's words without prior approval from Kitt"
Robert has rights to publish screenshots from this site after being banned and blocked. where did he ask for approval?

Where does Mr. Blevins have rights to speak for everyone else surrounding his story. did a Judge sequester them?

A possible reason could be this example from a interview with Lyle.

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "
 
Mike Fitzsimmons
Sent to me by email Sept. 2, 2014

I have a secret, but can't tell you. so why bring it up?
My car is for sale, but I'm not selling it?

Mr. Blevins made reservations at the "Reality Hotel" in August of 2010, but has failed to check in as of October 26, 2014!
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 26, 2014, 08:58:54 PM
I'm still working on my video & directing skills that will lead up to making a video of the flight path from Seattle to Portland. it will be impossible I think to try and video the entire path. I can't imagine what space that would take up. I'm still having color problems to work out in the transfer.

I made this video as another stepping stone....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ml7xkp9TGs&list=UUSme1lvYVvHAUoLZMXwlLHQ
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 27, 2014, 12:22:59 AM
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"You had no right to call Bruce Kitt without warning!"

without warning? how is that done, do you call him and warn him you are calling him  :D ;D

"You had no right to publish Bruce Kitt's words without prior approval from Kitt"
Robert has rights to publish screenshots from this site after being banned and blocked. where did he ask for approval?

Where does Mr. Blevins have rights to speak for everyone else surrounding his story. did a Judge sequester them?

A possible reason could be this example from a interview with Lyle.

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "
 
Mike Fitzsimmons
Sent to me by email Sept. 2, 2014

I have a secret, but can't tell you. so why bring it up?
My car is for sale, but I'm not selling it?

Mr. Blevins made reservations at the "Reality Hotel" in August of 2010, but has failed to check in as of October 26, 2014!

Blevins kept hitting with the impropriety of my posting my conversation with Kitt - Blevins giving lessons of ethics?

Fact is, I told Bruce right off the bat the reason I was calling him was because of 'persistent' posts on something called Dropzone, quoting him. He laughed and said "Dropzone? Never heard of it". I told him, "the guy's name is Robert M Blevins. He did a program on TV in which I think you appear". Kitt immediately knew what I was talking about and launched into his own long explanation about everything had gone wrong on the Decoded feature, that his actual-full comments had been bypassed after, quoting "the producer threw a cow when I told her I didn't think Christiansen had anything to do with this, etc", .......... Kitt explained at length how his remarks to the producer had brought a phone call from Brad Meltzer and Kitt conveyed his thoughts to him. Kitt said as far as he was concerned the whole program was produced to convey a preconceived result. I read Blervins words at Dropzone to Kitt and Kitt's reply was "Bullshit! That's what I mean by preconceived result. I never intended to imply what Blevins is saying ....". So I just told Kitt, "well Blevins is posting about you daily. I guess you are coming to a Cooper symposium he is having at Auburn Washing to year?", and Kitt replied, "Well I am going to Washington but I haven't scheduled anything at Auburn, yet....". I told Bruce Kitt I would probably be posting something about our conversation and he basically said he didn't care. Kitt was still perturbed about his treatment on Decoded and he made that clear.

After our conversation I sent Bruce a copy of the Dropzone url so he could see what was being said there.

   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on October 27, 2014, 01:14:10 AM
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"You had no right to call Bruce Kitt without warning!"

without warning? how is that done, do you call him and warn him you are calling him  :D ;D

"You had no right to publish Bruce Kitt's words without prior approval from Kitt"
Robert has rights to publish screenshots from this site after being banned and blocked. where did he ask for approval?

Where does Mr. Blevins have rights to speak for everyone else surrounding his story. did a Judge sequester them?

A possible reason could be this example from a interview with Lyle.

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "
 
Mike Fitzsimmons
Sent to me by email Sept. 2, 2014

I have a secret, but can't tell you. so why bring it up?
My car is for sale, but I'm not selling it?

Mr. Blevins made reservations at the "Reality Hotel" in August of 2010, but has failed to check in as of October 26, 2014!

Blevins kept hitting with the impropriety of my posting my conversation with Kitt - Blevins giving lessons of ethics?

Fact is, I told Bruce right off the bat the reason I was calling him was because of 'persistent' posts on something called Dropzone, quoting him. He laughed and said "Dropzone? Never heard of it". I told him, "the guy's name is Robert M Blevins. He did a program on TV in which I think you appear". Kitt immediately knew what I was talking about and launched into his own long explanation about everything had gone wrong on the Decoded feature, that his actual-full comments had been bypassed after, quoting "the producer threw a cow when I told her I didn't think Christiansen had anything to do with this, etc", .......... Kitt explained at length how his remarks to the producer had brought a phone call from Brad Meltzer and Kitt conveyed his thoughts to him. Kitt said as far as he was concerned the whole program was produced to convey a preconceived result. I read Blervins words at Dropzone to Kitt and Kitt's reply was "Bullshit! That's what I mean by preconceived result. I never intended to imply what Blevins is saying ....". So I just told Kitt, "well Blevins is posting about you daily. I guess you are coming to a Cooper symposium he is having at Auburn Washing to year?", and Kitt replied, "Well I am going to Washington but I haven't scheduled anything at Auburn, yet....". I told Bruce Kitt I would probably be posting something about our conversation and he basically said he didn't care. Kitt was still perturbed about his treatment on Decoded and he made that clear.

After our conversation I sent Bruce a copy of the Dropzone url so he could see what was being said there.

   

Robert accused you off tricking Bruce Kitt -- but you and Bruce were the only ones who knew what went on in that conversation.  And, he never claimed he got his information from Kitt.  So, it's clear the only source of Robert's comments was his own mind.

Robert claims you were banned from DZ.  Unless his source is Quade or Sanguero, his source there had to be his own mind.

Finally, he claims his case against Kenny is based on his witnesses.  Yet none of his witnesses will say that Kenny was involved in the hijacking.  In fact, other than his interview with Geestman, all seemed genuinely surprised to hear of such a thing.  His source was, once again, his own mind.

I think it's safe to say, Georger, nobody believes Robert's account over yours.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 27, 2014, 03:10:50 AM
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"You had no right to call Bruce Kitt without warning!"

without warning? how is that done, do you call him and warn him you are calling him  :D ;D

"You had no right to publish Bruce Kitt's words without prior approval from Kitt"
Robert has rights to publish screenshots from this site after being banned and blocked. where did he ask for approval?

Where does Mr. Blevins have rights to speak for everyone else surrounding his story. did a Judge sequester them?

A possible reason could be this example from a interview with Lyle.

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "
 
Mike Fitzsimmons
Sent to me by email Sept. 2, 2014

I have a secret, but can't tell you. so why bring it up?
My car is for sale, but I'm not selling it?

Mr. Blevins made reservations at the "Reality Hotel" in August of 2010, but has failed to check in as of October 26, 2014!

Blevins kept hitting with the impropriety of my posting my conversation with Kitt - Blevins giving lessons of ethics?

Fact is, I told Bruce right off the bat the reason I was calling him was because of 'persistent' posts on something called Dropzone, quoting him. He laughed and said "Dropzone? Never heard of it". I told him, "the guy's name is Robert M Blevins. He did a program on TV in which I think you appear". Kitt immediately knew what I was talking about and launched into his own long explanation about everything had gone wrong on the Decoded feature, that his actual-full comments had been bypassed after, quoting "the producer threw a cow when I told her I didn't think Christiansen had anything to do with this, etc", .......... Kitt explained at length how his remarks to the producer had brought a phone call from Brad Meltzer and Kitt conveyed his thoughts to him. Kitt said as far as he was concerned the whole program was produced to convey a preconceived result. I read Blervins words at Dropzone to Kitt and Kitt's reply was "Bullshit! That's what I mean by preconceived result. I never intended to imply what Blevins is saying ....". So I just told Kitt, "well Blevins is posting about you daily. I guess you are coming to a Cooper symposium he is having at Auburn Washing to year?", and Kitt replied, "Well I am going to Washington but I haven't scheduled anything at Auburn, yet....". I told Bruce Kitt I would probably be posting something about our conversation and he basically said he didn't care. Kitt was still perturbed about his treatment on Decoded and he made that clear.

After our conversation I sent Bruce a copy of the Dropzone url so he could see what was being said there.

   

Robert accused you off tricking Bruce Kitt -- but you and Bruce were the only ones who knew what went on in that conversation.  And, he never claimed he got his information from Kitt.  So, it's clear the only source of Robert's comments was his own mind.

Robert claims you were banned from DZ.  Unless his source is Quade or Sanguero, his source there had to be his own mind.

Finally, he claims his case against Kenny is based on his witnesses.  Yet none of his witnesses will say that Kenny was involved in the hijacking.  In fact, other than his interview with Geestman, all seemed genuinely surprised to hear of such a thing.  His source was, once again, his own mind.

I think it's safe to say, Georger, nobody believes Robert's account over yours.

Like a lot of others, I had always wanted to ask Kitt a few crucial questions, anyway. Questions about NWA's role during and after the hijacking. It's not as if Kitt hasn't had the same questions himself and asked others about NWA's role, its actions, its records etc - Kitt has. For one, what became of the NWA Cooper hijacking records? Has Kitt ever seen them, where are they now, were the records kept and "yes, such records exist!", but as it turns out not even an NWA historian has access to those records, much as Kitt would like to have the records to examine. That was Kitt's answer to the biggest question: Do the NWA Cooper hijacking records still exist, where are they, have you seen them, would you be willing to share those records with us, etc etc ?  Turns out Kitt would like to see those records himself and never has, he says! However, I'm not too surprised at Kitt's answer. That does not mean Kitt has not talked to a number of former and present NWA employees including Rataczak - he has, he says. He has asked a number of people specifically about 'Did NWA investigate its own employees or did anyone else conduct such investigations' and his answer was direct: "Yes. It's my understanding NWA employees were investigated from a number of directions both inside and outside of NWA.". But, he followed with what amounts to: "But I'm not at liberty to talk about it... with just anyone." Nothing in that caveat surprised me.

Bruce Kitt explained that he has a ton of responsibilities as a lead NWA historian, and that while he was interested in the Cooper affair, his regular duties over the years have precluded him from concentrating on the Cooper affair alone. He listed a number of things he is involved with as part of his role as NWA History president.

Just for the record, Bruce Kitt is a very impressive guy with solid credentials. When he says he told the producer and Brad Meltzer of Decoded he did not consider Kenny Christiansen a viable suspect and explained why, you can take that to the bank.

I was happy and privileged that he shared some time and information with me.         
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 27, 2014, 08:46:07 AM
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I think it's safe to say, Georger, nobody believes Robert's account over yours.

Typically an offense will occur in order to get banned. records would indicate this. if Georger was banned the moderator would of left a message in reply to the last comment made by Georger stating the reasons for any type of action taken. the right thing to do is to inform people of any type of punishment taking place. this didn't happen. in fact, according to Georger he had to ask to be removed several times.
I can believe this because they never responded to any of my complaints.

To be honest, I don't know if they even watch that thread anymore. nobody is controlling anything said over there. It reminds me of "Dances With Wolves" where Kevin Costner wanted to explore the disappearing frontier before it was gone!

It's a shame the thread took the direction it has over the years. lots of good info and people were there. Robert lives in the past. you see this constantly with him bringing up the filthy comments from years gone by. he harps on the past, never moving forward. DZ is quickly becoming the past IMHO.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 27, 2014, 09:53:22 AM
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Just for the record, Bruce Kitt is a very impressive guy with solid credentials. When he says he told the producer and Brad Meltzer of Decoded he did not consider Kenny Christiansen a viable suspect and explained why, you can take that to the bank.

Unfortunately nothing fits with Kenny. I just noticed another problem with his description. no sideburns. Kenny was very clean cut seemingly caring about his appearance. nothing fits at all in his appearance, or background to be a "viable suspect".
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 27, 2014, 03:18:44 PM
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I think it's safe to say, Georger, nobody believes Robert's account over yours.

Typically an offense will occur in order to get banned. records would indicate this. if Georger was banned the moderator would of left a message in reply to the last comment made by Georger stating the reasons for any type of action taken. the right thing to do is to inform people of any type of punishment taking place. this didn't happen. in fact, according to Georger he had to ask to be removed several times.
I can believe this because they never responded to any of my complaints.

To be honest, I don't know if they even watch that thread anymore. nobody is controlling anything said over there. It reminds me of "Dances With Wolves" where Kevin Costner wanted to explore the disappearing frontier before it was gone!

It's a shame the thread took the direction it has over the years. lots of good info and people were there. Robert lives in the past. you see this constantly with him bringing up the filthy comments from years gone by. he harps on the past, never moving forward. DZ is quickly becoming the past IMHO.

They could have perma-banned me after the fact, after I left, and just not said anything. Who knows!

I tried to pick a peaceful period to leave, hoping that would shut off Blevins being able to point to something and claim I was gone because I had been banned. So weeks later he comes up with it any way! It was very obvious he didn't even know I was gone until the next week - he doesn't care about anyone or anything on that site except himself, and the same with Weber.  You can't win with these people and that alone was a reason to leave that hell hole of their personal agendas. These people have just used the Cooper case as an opportunity to insert themselves to gain personal glory. These people literally have nothing to contribute including any genuine interest in the Cooper matter - they have just used the Cooper affair to justify their personal existence! You wouldn't believe the number of  'gas bags' I have run into since I got involved in this who are self professed experts on the Cooper case, but literally don't know anything about it! That sums up Dropzone.



     
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 27, 2014, 06:50:25 PM
It's sad that people have act like this, it really is. now we will see the "happy meal" quote till 2018. this is a guy in his 60's I'm guessing? I mean really, this is all has has to do? I wonder if he goes on You Tube starting arguments. he would fit right in with that crowd ;D

He still thinks DZ is right along side with CNN, and the whole world is involved with what is right or wrong in the Cooper community. "The public will see what's going on" ? seriously? I'm still amazed nobody has stepped in and said enough is enough. I was serious when I told
him about a half a page out of 20 pages were Cooper related. he will never understand what is really going on.

Then to top it off. he is proud people are talking about him here? nobody is bashing him, but it isn't heart warming discussion either. he fails to understand that his disruption is the cause of what is going on "over there". they need to change the name to "The DB Cooper bash review" it's all about us...... 8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 27, 2014, 11:55:09 PM
somebody might want to look into what is going on with Bruce. he is way over due now.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 28, 2014, 01:02:25 AM
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It's sad that people have act like this, it really is. now we will see the "happy meal" quote till 2018. this is a guy in his 60's I'm guessing? I mean really, this is all has has to do? I wonder if he goes on You Tube starting arguments. he would fit right in with that crowd ;D

He still thinks DZ is right along side with CNN, and the whole world is involved with what is right or wrong in the Cooper community. "The public will see what's going on" ? seriously? I'm still amazed nobody has stepped in and said enough is enough. I was serious when I told
him about a half a page out of 20 pages were Cooper related. he will never understand what is really going on.

Then to top it off. he is proud people are talking about him here? nobody is bashing him, but it isn't heart warming discussion either. he fails to understand that his disruption is the cause of what is going on "over there". they need to change the name to "The DB Cooper bash review" it's all about us...... 8)

When you look at this objectively, KC never had much of a chance. If Gray had seriously felt KC was the guy, and something more than just "a good idea for a movie script", Geoff would have poured resources into KC and genetic work would have been done years ago. I talked to Geoff about this and Geoff was 100% aware of the resources available to him "if" KC had any chance of having been Cooper. Geoff made a judgement and set off in a different direction.

So Blevins had a mountain to climb right off the bat. And there is no question he is proud when people are talking about him. His case for Kenny turned out to be a farce. What is left? Nothing.

I am sure Porteous and Geoff discussed the viability of Kenny as a Cooper candidate. Evidently Porteous had nothing to offer Geoff, as proof Kenny was Cooper. Then along comes Blevins. And the world has turned over many pages since then. Only Weber and Blevins are left throwing harpoons, at Dropzone. Their great white whale has yet to be spotted!  :) ;)       

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) New member gets full dose of Dropzone tonight!
Post by: georger on October 31, 2014, 03:36:04 AM
Well the new member got a full dose of the real Dropzone tonight!

Weber has been attacking me daily, and Im not even there! Then tonight she launches three scathing attacks again the New member... and the FBI again. Then she launches another savage attack against Blevins. Blevins responds (long diatribe) saying again he could care less what anyone thinks. Blevins then attacks this site and people here as some kind of farcical history lesson to the New member, and Blevins reminds us again "they are all phonies" and "millions tune into the Cooper Thread on Supremo Uno Dropzone"!

All in one night!

It's a vivid demonstration of why this group exists here!

Is all of that really true?  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[edit] oh there's more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blevins continued unabated. Talking to himself ..........
R99 tries to intervene...........
Blevins tells R99 GFU.

Blevins has last word.

Score: Blevins 1099
          Weber 39
          All Others 0

Blevins wins by a landslide.

And you were there!    :) :) :)



 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 31, 2014, 08:21:26 AM
He fails to understand, or at least makes it appear that his Ban, and block is not justified. he thinks, or claims since I blocked him I'm now paranoid?

Robert Blevins read on another forum he wouldn't be welcome here and decided to register under a false name. he revealed himself a week or so later after registering. I then removed his false username and applied a block to his IP address which is commonly done with forums such as this one.

Mr. Blevins seems to violate the rules at Dropzone.com as well. he constantly attacks me, and this forum which is clearly against DZ's rules. the rules also state not to drift off subject. Mr. Blevins has been off subject about 97% of the time in the last 5, or 6 months. since that thread is basically not monitored by anyone it allows the thread to become vindictive response forum. there main topic as been me, and this forum tossing aside it's purpose of discussing Cooper.

Now, every thread drifts off subject to some extent, but DZ is completely out of control. at least we have separate area's for discussing off topic subjects. DZ doesn't have this feature, in fact DZ can't compete with all the features this thread has. we have the ability to control things such as photo's, and topics. you could spend hours trying to find things on DZ.

this forum seems to be picking up speed. the spammers are down to an acceptable state right now. they still try and get in, but nothing like before. we passed 20,000 views last week. about 6 - 8,000 are probably spam. the site is starting to show up in Cooper related searches which is a good thing. I was also a little set back after seeing how many schools and colleges view this site. most are probaly students, but never the less people are learning from viewing this site.

I would like to take the time to personally thank the posters here for allowing this to happen. nothing would be here if you didn't put a little trust in me to allow a place to publicly discuss DB Cooper without having to argue page after page trying to "one up" each other.

I thank you all.... 8)

Shutter
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 31, 2014, 08:55:50 AM
Google......it appears that Google is locked onto this site, every time a post is made Google pops on here. they show up in 3"s, and sometime's 4's. below is what I see while checking "who's online" the guests' are Googlebots. they showed up after I made the post
above, or on the other page since a new one had been created. Bingbots show up as well.


User                                       Time                                   Action
Online shutter                    08:51:11 AM   Viewing Who's Online.
Guest (66.249.69.187)   08:50:49 AM   Viewing the topic Suspects And Confessions .
Guest (207.46.13.130)   08:46:25 AM   Viewing the board index of DB COOPER.
Guest (66.249.69.203)   08:43:48 AM   Viewing the board index of DB COOPER.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on October 31, 2014, 12:26:11 PM
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He fails to understand, or at least makes it appear that his Ban, and block is not justified. he thinks, or claims since I blocked him I'm now paranoid?

Robert Blevins read on another forum he wouldn't be welcome here and decided to register under a false name. he revealed himself a week or so later after registering. I then removed his false username and applied a block to his IP address which is commonly done with forums such as this one.

Mr. Blevins seems to violate the rules at Dropzone.com as well. he constantly attacks me, and this forum which is clearly against DZ's rules. the rules also state not to drift off subject. Mr. Blevins has been off subject about 97% of the time in the last 5, or 6 months. since that thread is basically not monitored by anyone it allows the thread to become vindictive response forum. there main topic as been me, and this forum tossing aside it's purpose of discussing Cooper.

Now, every thread drifts off subject to some extent, but DZ is completely out of control. at least we have separate area's for discussing off topic subjects. DZ doesn't have this feature, in fact DZ can't compete with all the features this thread has. we have the ability to control things such as photo's, and topics. you could spend hours trying to find things on DZ.

this forum seems to be picking up speed. the spammers are down to an acceptable state right now. they still try and get in, but nothing like before. we passed 20,000 views last week. about 6 - 8,000 are probably spam. the site is starting to show up in Cooper related searches which is a good thing. I was also a little set back after seeing how many schools and colleges view this site. most are probaly students, but never the less people are learning from viewing this site.

I would like to take the time to personally thank the posters here for allowing this to happen. nothing would be here if you didn't put a little trust in me to allow a place to publicly discuss DB Cooper without having to argue page after page trying to "one up" each other.

I thank you all.... 8)

Shutter

Well, do Weber and Blevins have a corner on the TRUTH, as they claim to have.

 :) Its absurd on its face.

The only issue is how DUMB will this get? As dumb as it is. Dropzone became a fantasy world in 2010 and now "Dumb" and "Dumber" are in charge. Strange a bunch of skydivers would host such a thing. I never thought of Quade and Sangiro as particularly STUPID but obviously I was wrong. I thought they were just misguided.  ;D   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on October 31, 2014, 03:35:40 PM
I'm shocked the jumpers haven't chimed in and put a stop to the whole thing. 377 tries like hell to get things rolling, but it never happens. it's extremely disrespectful what they are doing in my opinion. Robert is violating the rules as if he owns the place. the actual people with egg on there face is the controllers of Dropzone.com by allowing this to tumble out of control. they seem to work like a Government agency by waiting till the last minute for any action, or changes to be put into place.

I remember when Knoss was put on vacation and I told Quade it was about time he took action against Knoss and his lies. Quade responded by telling me to watch my step, meaning not to use the word Lie which Bobby uses in just about every post he makes. (double standard) as Bobby calls it.

I'm sure sooner or later someone will put a stop to the nonsense on that thread. when they do it could be years from now with the present track record they hold!
Title: Why do we bother?
Post by: MarkBennett on November 02, 2014, 01:16:33 PM
Once again, we fall into Blevins trap (and I say "we" because I'm as guilty as anyone).

Why is that?  If Jo makes some outrageous claim like Duane was involved with the Alcatraz escapees, we just roll our eyes and ignore it.  When, Bob Knoss says, well pretty much anything, we don't bother trying  to refute it.  But, with Robert we seem to fall into his trap.  I suppose it's ok when he asks how did Kenny have so much money on such a small salary, it's ok to answer.  But once it's explained that Kenny sold land he'd purchased 30 years prior for $300,000 and died three years later with $200,000 in the bank and Robert still doesn't get it, why continue?  He's just trying to get people riled up.   We need to give him the credibility he deserves.
Title: Re: Why do we bother?
Post by: Robert99 on November 02, 2014, 02:04:22 PM
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Once again, we fall into Blevins trap (and I say "we" because I'm as guilty as anyone).

Why is that?  If Jo makes some outrageous claim like Duane was involved with the Alcatraz escapees, we just roll our eyes and ignore it.  When, Bob Knoss says, well pretty much anything, we don't bother trying  to refute it.  But, with Robert we seem to fall into his trap.  I suppose it's ok when he asks how did Kenny have so much money on such a small salary, it's ok to answer.  But once it's explained that Kenny sold land he'd purchased 30 years prior for $300,000 and died three years later with $200,000 in the bank and Robert still doesn't get it, why continue?  He's just trying to get people riled up.   We need to give him the credibility he deserves.

Actually, I understand your point.  But since Blevins and Jo are both trying to put forth a line of baloney, which if uncontested they will claim as "factual", I think it is necessary to occasionally post something that resembles the truth.  Otherwise, the "public" (Blevins term and as used by him), or anyone who is not familiar with Blevins and Jo's antics, will be completely misled.
Title: Re: Why do we bother?
Post by: MarkBennett on November 02, 2014, 02:12:23 PM
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Once again, we fall into Blevins trap (and I say "we" because I'm as guilty as anyone).

Why is that?  If Jo makes some outrageous claim like Duane was involved with the Alcatraz escapees, we just roll our eyes and ignore it.  When, Bob Knoss says, well pretty much anything, we don't bother trying  to refute it.  But, with Robert we seem to fall into his trap.  I suppose it's ok when he asks how did Kenny have so much money on such a small salary, it's ok to answer.  But once it's explained that Kenny sold land he'd purchased 30 years prior for $300,000 and died three years later with $200,000 in the bank and Robert still doesn't get it, why continue?  He's just trying to get people riled up.   We need to give him the credibility he deserves.

Actually, I understand your point.  But since Blevins and Jo are both trying to put forth a line of baloney, which if uncontested they will claim as "factual", I think it is necessary to occasionally post something that resembles the truth.  Otherwise, the "public" (Blevins term and as used by him), or anyone who is not familiar with Blevins and Jo's antics, will be completely misled.

And, I understand your point as well.  As I said before, I'm as guilty as anyone of responding to baloney.
Title: Re: Why do we bother?
Post by: georger on November 04, 2014, 02:09:45 AM
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Once again, we fall into Blevins trap (and I say "we" because I'm as guilty as anyone).

Why is that?  If Jo makes some outrageous claim like Duane was involved with the Alcatraz escapees, we just roll our eyes and ignore it.  When, Bob Knoss says, well pretty much anything, we don't bother trying  to refute it.  But, with Robert we seem to fall into his trap.  I suppose it's ok when he asks how did Kenny have so much money on such a small salary, it's ok to answer.  But once it's explained that Kenny sold land he'd purchased 30 years prior for $300,000 and died three years later with $200,000 in the bank and Robert still doesn't get it, why continue?  He's just trying to get people riled up.   We need to give him the credibility he deserves.

Actually, I understand your point.  But since Blevins and Jo are both trying to put forth a line of baloney, which if uncontested they will claim as "factual", I think it is necessary to occasionally post something that resembles the truth.  Otherwise, the "public" (Blevins term and as used by him), or anyone who is not familiar with Blevins and Jo's antics, will be completely misled.

And, I understand your point as well.  As I said before, I'm as guilty as anyone of responding to baloney.

You make very good comments. More than that you keep people on their toes! You question people and things and require people to justify, think, defend, etc .... all good things. That said (now for some humor) ....

This will be my fiNAL FINAL final-final, last revised final, final-final-final, wrapped up final final, 132 page final final revised final, final final final, FINAL .................................................. (how many is that!? :) ...................
FINAL report. And then I must move on to the election which will be my final final final, final-final final ........
you get the gist ....... or is it jist?  I missed third grade, sorry.

 :) :) :)   
Title: Re: Why do we bother?
Post by: MarkBennett on November 04, 2014, 09:18:09 AM
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This will be my fiNAL FINAL final-final, last revised final, final-final-final, wrapped up final final, 132 page final final revised final, final final final, FINAL .................................................. (how many is that!? :) ...................
FINAL report. And then I must move on to the election which will be my final final final, final-final final ........
you get the gist ....... or is it jist?  I missed third grade, sorry.

 :) :) :)

Since this is the totally off topic, that final sentence reminded me of something I once read from an editor.  He made the claim that writers use the word "very" too often.  He gave them a way to determine if they've used too many.  He said change every "very" to "damn" and if the editor takes it out, it's too many. ;)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 05, 2014, 01:25:21 AM
In a treatise of several thousands werds in his own self defense he/they/them says in reply to 99:

11) You have also demonstrated a propensity, as have some others you interact with at the other site, to dismiss evidence not based on its merits, but how you personally feel about the person delivering the evidence. Alternate site user Georger was famous for that, and you engage in the same thing to a lesser degree.  

Since "he" refers to me, What "evidence" is he talking about?  Anybody know?  :)

Or is this just another of his mindless personal attacks people have endured since August of 2010?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 05, 2014, 01:37:28 AM
Lack of management at DZ thread -

What DZ is going through could all have been avoided with a modicum of fair consistent (non hypocritical) management, from the start. I shared this observation with Moderator Paul Quade clear back in 2008 one night when Jo Weber was going through one of her tirades.

Quade replied that I needed to "watch my step" - same reply he gave Shutter recently! - and it became very clear to me Dropzone was a no-win situation, ... and here it is today in all of its sorry glory. 377 continues to apologize and promise better times ahead, if only Snowmman, Sluggo, X, Y, and Z came back or were allowed back in, as if they are or ever were the solution!  ;)  Who is kidding who?  377 is as much a glory seeker as anyone else raising hell there - he has not contributed one damned things to the Cooper case!

The sorry fact is things are not going to change at this "Dropzone Cooper thread". Because the personalities there aren't going to change, and they have already said and done just about everything there is to say or do in the seven(?) years that thread has existed - for so-called the discussion of the DB Cooper case? Starting with the infamous Jo Weber! The rest is all theatre and nothing more.

I almost left back in '09 when Quade banned Ckret for a brief time. Ckret came back and then left on his own and I almost left again then. Weber has tried to paint me with the same brush she tried to paint Ckret, and she is still is trying! It's delusional on it's face. Only a fraction of what we hoped to accomplish on the Dropzone thread was ever accomplished. I finally resorted to humor to try and salve a bad situation for myself and others and Blevins and Weber attacked me for that, and they still bring it up which only adds to the absurdity of these two obsessives! The only winner at Dropzone has been Dropzone itself! The rest of us are/were just free labor.  :)

The whole thing was always dysfunctional no matter who was in residence. That's put the lie to 377's arguments. 377 has his suspect like the rest - there was always a dysfunctional edge to that, Mark ignores.     
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on November 05, 2014, 11:14:47 AM
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In a treatise of several thousands werds in his own self defense he/they/them says in reply to 99:

11) You have also demonstrated a propensity, as have some others you interact with at the other site, to dismiss evidence not based on its merits, but how you personally feel about the person delivering the evidence. Alternate site user Georger was famous for that, and you engage in the same thing to a lesser degree.  

Since "he" refers to me, What "evidence" is he talking about?  Anybody know?  :)

Or is this just another of his mindless personal attacks people have endured since August of 2010?

It gets too zen for me.   Is he talking about his witnesses who didn't witness anything?  His property claims that aren't supported by any property records?

I guess "But that's not evidence" is a personal attack.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 05, 2014, 12:36:17 PM
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In a treatise of several thousands werds in his own self defense he/they/them says in reply to 99:

11) You have also demonstrated a propensity, as have some others you interact with at the other site, to dismiss evidence not based on its merits, but how you personally feel about the person delivering the evidence. Alternate site user Georger was famous for that, and you engage in the same thing to a lesser degree.  

Since "he" refers to me, What "evidence" is he talking about?  Anybody know?  :)

Or is this just another of his mindless personal attacks people have endured since August of 2010?

It gets too zen for me.   Is he talking about his witnesses who didn't witness anything?  His property claims that aren't supported by any property records?

I guess "But that's not evidence" is a personal attack.

It's Zen alright! What it is is bad theatre.

Even his "25 Reasons" is nothing but a manifesto. Has no relationship to evidence, facts, or truth or even the desire for evidence, facts, and truth -
 :-\
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 06, 2014, 11:45:29 PM
Vas ist INDEX! ala Woe von Jebber?

Well ... when you log into this site even although I never see the word INDEX in any header or url etc, if you go different places on this site and then look at the list under the back scroll arrow on your browser, guess what is included in the list of places youve been on this site:  "DB Cooper - INDEX". That is the INDEX Jo is referring to. ie the secret place Jo says Shutter is hiding on this forum where secret communkkkations 666! occur!  :) :) :) Leave it to Woe Jebber to find some obscure 'thing' in her daily proctological examination of existence to obsess and complain about to the point of delusion, coming soon to a theatre near you! Remember folks: DOOMSDAY IS JUST THREE DAYS AWAY. I HEARD IT FROM JO and Blevins!

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 13, 2014, 12:13:01 AM
So Bruce?  Big changes are going to happen? What does this have to do with ME !?
Or do you have to be a "certified full time mystery peddler" to 'be in on the know' ?

BruceSmith

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ONLY WAY I CAN TYPE NOW. SHORT ANNOUNCEMENT! BIG NEWS FORTH COMING IN LATE NOV!Smile

WILL TRY TO DO UPDATES, BUT LIMITED ON KEY BOARD TIME DUE TO MY HAND.

HOLD ONTO YOUR HATS AND /OR BRITCHES ORWHATEVER!

SOME OF U R IN FOR A BIG SHOCK!

GEORGER NEEDS TO GET HIS ACT TOGETHER - HE IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO!

SOME OF U SUSPECTED THIS WAS COMING & SOME THOUGHT IT WOULD ALL GO AWAY!

IT DIDN'T GO AWAY & THE ENDING TO THE COOPER STORY IS COMING SOON.

SOME IN WITHIN THE POLITICAL SCENE WILL TRY TO STOP THIS - BUT THEY CAN'T! NOW IS THE TIME TO REVEAL WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON NOV 24, 1971.

THE TRUTHS WERE BURIED FROM 1962 UNTIL RECENTLY...THOSE STILL LIVING WHO WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

ALL I CAN SAY!


Yes, Jo. Good News! A major announcement is coming soon. Not sure it will make it by the 24th, but maybe by Thanksgiving Eve anniversary of the 26th this year.

When I last heard from Sid Rubin and John Detlor they sounded very promising about changes in the FBI culture. I hope this is the breakthrough we've all been waiting for.

I trust you are in touch with Sid and John, and the others such as Bob S.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - le BIG CHANGE!
Post by: georger on November 13, 2014, 11:42:27 PM
THE TIME HAS COME! le BIG CHANGE! -

Tweety Byrd says: "A Los Angeles producer invited me to participate on the next History Channel production of a DB Cooper production which is due to begin filming next month, right after Thanksgiving. He secured financing through (redacted) and the History Channel has already purchased the documentary.  I asked him if a guy named Robert Blevins had been invited and he said, "no."  Himmelsbach will participate and maybe a few others of note.  So, the DBC story is still catching fish and that may be what Mr. Smith and Ms. Collins aka "Jo Weber" are talking about. Will keep you posted."

 :)


Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 16, 2014, 12:42:42 AM
New DBC Documentary -

quote:

I will keep you posted.  The new DBC documentary is bonafide.  These are serious production folks and they wouldn't want to deal with a Blevins personality.  Blevins...........absolutely not.  Himmelsbach .... Yes.    Total of 16 people altogether so far, but the list is still open ... they may have talked to Bruce Smith and he is being quiet.  More later.

So Mr Blevins. Why dont you and the stooges who run Dropzone find somebody else to persecute? Complaints will now be made and somebody isn't going to be happy. It has gone far enough... your personal problem is now going to cost Dropzone and its owners/managers for allowing you to persecute people there. Its a simple concept.



Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on November 16, 2014, 01:54:50 AM
I don't blame you one bit. Blevins has nothing better to do than constantly attack this forum along with the members here. until he is removed from that site, it will never function as a DB Cooper forum. It was obvious he mentioned your name on his last post for spite. hopefully people will start seeing him in a different view.

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 16, 2014, 03:08:50 AM
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I don't blame you one bit. Blevins has nothing better to do than constantly attack this forum along with the members here. until he is removed from that site, it will never function as a DB Cooper forum. It was obvious he mentioned your name on his last post for spite. hopefully people will start seeing him in a different view.

He's a real piece of work. Gray warned about it clear back in '010. What changed things at DZ was an apparent change in ownership-managment-moderators? Prior to that the TOS strictly prohibited use of people's names and Quade made that a top priority. Blevins has always been after everyone to use their real names - why? I guess it makes him feel better? People have left the DZ forum because of his constant attacks on them. He wants to know who everyone is and who they are. I guess he thinks it gives me an edge of some kind, or makes him equal. ???

So let me lay this out again - it gets weird.

DZ is owned by a South African group called D43DR Media:  http://www.d4drmedia.com/.  CEO Willem Grobler, the CEO of D4DR Media, originally founded Dropzone.com in 1994.  Quote: "Adventure is in our genes. D4DR Media owns and operates a diverse portfolio of Adventure Sports Sites". Just give their website a look. See also:
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Willem-Grobler/891757249 for other names of people who are a part of this.

Here is where is gets weird when they state: "If you have a mutated D4DR gene, chances are we’ll meet you on one of our sites." So apparently the D4DR gene is in their thoughts and logo? What is the D4DR gene, you may ask!  :)
Well, quoting again from their website: "“D4DR is a human gene, located on chromosome 11 is (so far) one of the only genes proven to be directly linked to a human personality trait. When the D4DR gene is mutated or elongated, studies have shown that the individual may be more interested in danger, excitement and thrill seeking.” ~ Wikipedia.

Sp just perhaps Willem Grobler, Paul Quade, Amazon, and the rest of these enablers at Dropzone think Mr. Blevins has a 'mutated D4DR gene', and that entitles him to persecute the rest of the human race? So, perhaps these people who own and run Dropzone are all racists? A New Order? Maybe these people are all on an FBI watch list for all I know!

Very clearly the D4DR gene has something of a profound nature to do with their advertised mindset, since they are advertising the D4DR gene as being central to their basic 'reason for existence' ? It sounds very weird to me!
What it is is profoundly sad and misguided. Shallow and sad.

Weird you want? Weird you get.



 

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 16, 2014, 08:32:34 AM
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I don't blame you one bit. Blevins has nothing better to do than constantly attack this forum along with the members here. until he is removed from that site, it will never function as a DB Cooper forum. It was obvious he mentioned your name on his last post for spite. hopefully people will start seeing him in a different view.

The central issue all along has been: who and what is Robert M Blevins, not who am I! I could be anyone who posted something Blevins doesn't like and decided to target, to try and diminish and defeat, and pump himself up over.

Like everything else he says and does, he probably thinks he has nothing to lose. And he has not even considered any possible consequences to himself, or to Dropzone (A4DR Media), or anyone else. At the end of the day he is just one more serial stalker-persecutor-know-it-all on the mindless side of the Internet. Someone fascinated with the idea of Area-51 and the DB Cooper story ... who is going to show and tell the world just how important he is!

My suspicion is Blevins is being used as a foil.

It's funny a simple post from two emails about a new DBC production got him so upset!

Be very careful owners and managers of Dropzone - Blevins could target and out you too!  :o :o :o :o :o


 










   

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 16, 2014, 05:24:09 PM
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I don't blame you one bit. Blevins has nothing better to do than constantly attack this forum along with the members here. until he is removed from that site, it will never function as a DB Cooper forum. It was obvious he mentioned your name on his last post for spite. hopefully people will start seeing him in a different view.

The central issue all along has been: who and what is Robert M Blevins, not who am I! I could be anyone who posted something Blevins doesn't like and decided to target, to try and diminish and defeat, and pump himself up over.

Like everything else he says and does, he probably thinks he has nothing to lose. And he has not even considered any possible consequences to himself, or to Dropzone (A4DR Media), or anyone else. At the end of the day he is just one more serial stalker-persecutor-know-it-all on the mindless side of the Internet. Someone fascinated with the idea of Area-51 and the DB Cooper story ... who is going to show and tell the world just how important he is!

My suspicion is Blevins is being used as a foil.

It's funny a simple post from two emails about a new DBC production got him so upset!
  :o :o :o :o :o

I am now informed by two new sources there are actually TWO PRODUCTIONS currently or soon to be IN THE WORKS. #1: a remake of the San Francisco production which involved "the attorney from you know where" (Galen Cook), and #2: a brand new production involving the BBC which is scheduled to start filming soon, but running late and it may be Spring?

Blah bah blah.... as if I give a $%#T about any of this!

I hope the Cooper Vampires at Dropzone are now satisfied. Someone needs to close that holocaust going on at Dropzone down, for the sake of Humanity!


 


 

 


Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on November 16, 2014, 06:25:23 PM
Super Sleuth Bobby Blevins says he knows bullshit  8) I don't doubt that claim by him  ;D ;D ;D

It's eating him alive right online for all to see. I guess he will have to keep on promoting his false thoughts about the whole thing until it bits his bullshit right in his butt. ;D ;D

It's amazing how he can come to such quick conclusions. this confirms he does the same with the KC saga. it basically takes nothing to convince him of anything. he will tie up the thread for days with this one. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - le BIG CHANGE!
Post by: georger on November 17, 2014, 05:18:52 PM
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THE TIME HAS COME! le BIG CHANGE! -

Tweety Byrd says: "A Los Angeles producer invited me to participate on the next History Channel production of a DB Cooper production which is due to begin filming next month, right after Thanksgiving. He secured financing through (redacted) and the History Channel has already purchased the documentary.  I asked him if a guy named Robert Blevins had been invited and he said, "no."  Himmelsbach will participate and maybe a few others of note.  So, the DBC story is still catching fish and that may be what Mr. Smith and Ms. Collins aka "Jo Weber" are talking about. Will keep you posted."

 :)

Above is my original post. Please note the title - THE TIME HAS COME! le BIG CHANGE! - That is what I was emailing people about, not anything having to do with productions, films, Blevins, or the like. I was trying to track down any big changes coming re- Jo and Bruce Posts at Dropzone.

Blevins is always reading tea leaves and seeing himself in the toast! Judging people's motivations! Well my MOTIVATION was the above, looking for Jo Weber's BIG CHANGES she was harping about.

The first people I contacted new nothing about any big changes coming. So they referred tofilms.productions under way in an attempt to answer my question. I posted that (my first post)

Blevins then blows his stack at Dropzone after seeing "himself in the toast" of my post.

So I then called Jerry Thomas and asked about any BIG CHANGES. I then posted his response in my second post. Jerry mentions twp film or tvc productions, but it still didn;t answer my question about Jo Weber's BIG CHANGES!

Then Sunday night, Cook is reading all of this on DZ and here and he send me an email outlining producxtions etc he is involved in. That has been my only contact with Cook during all of this BS, as if I owe some explaination to Blevins, the tea leaf reader looking for my motivations?  :)

But with Blevins going nuts at DZ and reading things in everyone;s toast I did not post anything about Cooks Sunday email, instead I just forwarded Cook;s email to Mr. Shutter, which Shutter can confirm. If Cook wants his production info presented here Shutter can do it - Im staying out of this because of the personal attacks by Robert M Blevins at Dropzone.

And Blevins can get back to see Jesus in the toast and reading tea leaves looking for people's "motivations" .... and go screw himself!

People are very upset with that guy Blevins at Dropzpone and I mean Old Timers fed up with all of Blevins' crap at
DZ, people who out rank Quade or even Amazon and go much further back at the Dropzone! The only BIG CHANGE that may be coming is a change at Dropzone? Because people really are fed up ... and it has literally nothing to do with me.

So Mr. Blevins go back to reading your tea leaves and seeing Jesus in the Toast looking for people's motivations and lies etc. That is your full time occupation. My advice: get a job!
 :)   


Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation - le BIG CHANGE!
Post by: georger on November 17, 2014, 11:39:50 PM
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THE TIME HAS COME! le BIG CHANGE! -

Tweety Byrd says: "A Los Angeles producer invited me to participate on the next History Channel production of a DB Cooper production which is due to begin filming next month, right after Thanksgiving. He secured financing through (redacted) and the History Channel has already purchased the documentary.  I asked him if a guy named Robert Blevins had been invited and he said, "no."  Himmelsbach will participate and maybe a few others of note.  So, the DBC story is still catching fish and that may be what Mr. Smith and Ms. Collins aka "Jo Weber" are talking about. Will keep you posted."

 :)

Above is my original post. Please note the title - THE TIME HAS COME! le BIG CHANGE! - That is what I was emailing people about, not anything having to do with productions, films, Blevins, or the like. I was trying to track down any big changes coming re- Jo and Bruce Posts at Dropzone.

Blevins is always reading tea leaves and seeing himself in the toast! Judging people's motivations! Well my MOTIVATION was the above, looking for Jo Weber's BIG CHANGES she was harping about.

The first people I contacted new nothing about any big changes coming. So they referred tofilms.productions under way in an attempt to answer my question. I posted that (my first post)

Blevins then blows his stack at Dropzone after seeing "himself in the toast" of my post.

So I then called Jerry Thomas and asked about any BIG CHANGES. I then posted his response in my second post. Jerry mentions twp film or tvc productions, but it still didn;t answer my question about Jo Weber's BIG CHANGES!

Then Sunday night, Cook is reading all of this on DZ and here and he send me an email outlining producxtions etc he is involved in. That has been my only contact with Cook during all of this BS, as if I owe some explaination to Blevins, the tea leaf reader looking for my motivations?  :)

But with Blevins going nuts at DZ and reading things in everyone;s toast I did not post anything about Cooks Sunday email, instead I just forwarded Cook;s email to Mr. Shutter, which Shutter can confirm. If Cook wants his production info presented here Shutter can do it - Im staying out of this because of the personal attacks by Robert M Blevins at Dropzone.

And Blevins can get back to see Jesus in the toast and reading tea leaves looking for people's "motivations" .... and go screw himself!

People are very upset with that guy Blevins at Dropzpone and I mean Old Timers fed up with all of Blevins' crap at
DZ, people who out rank Quade or even Amazon and go much further back at the Dropzone! The only BIG CHANGE that may be coming is a change at Dropzone? Because people really are fed up ... and it has literally nothing to do with me.

So Mr. Blevins go back to reading your tea leaves and seeing Jesus in the Toast looking for people's motivations and lies etc. That is your full time occupation. My advice: get a job!
 :)

MY NEW POLICY-

I will post nothing about films, documentaries, productions, and the like. Why? I could care less.

That way nobody can feel left in, left out, talked about, etc etc etc - that way there will be no words of mine for people to judge, look a the tea leaves about, or look for their images in the toast.

That will make life a lot simpler for me!

So if you have news about a production, film, upcoming documentary, or Big Changes Coming in the Maldum Fornax and the like ... PLEASE send that news to Shutter and he will post it as he sees fit.

Free at last - thank God Almighty Im free at last!  :)

 8)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on November 17, 2014, 11:54:02 PM
I haven't looked. is he still screaming LIAR over there? I have a new computer set up and haven't put all the shortcuts in yet.

Someone needs to stop his ridiculous behavior. you would expect crap like that on Facebook and You Tube. I don't understand how the jumpers stand idle?

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 18, 2014, 02:13:04 AM
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I haven't looked. is he still screaming LIAR over there? I have a new computer set up and haven't put all the shortcuts in yet.

Someone needs to stop his ridiculous behavior. you would expect crap like that on Facebook and You Tube. I don't understand how the jumpers stand idle?

Yes, new tonight. Now he says I admited it "over at the other site" When will that lying son of a B6tch ever stop! He says:

AB's 'It Figures' Dept: Not to harp on it too long, but I was right when I guessed that the 'upcoming productions' on DB information came from Galen Cook. Georger admitted it over at the other site. I saw a lot of dodging and weaving from Georger on this, but no actual information on such productions. At this point I believe Cook was just filling Georger with hot air. BBC shows no upcoming DB Cooper productions, nothing in any of the trades, etc. Probably just another Urban Myth on Cooper, unless someone from the other site is willing to step forward and offer details. If there are productions pending, this is not exactly a big, protected secret. But as I said, I could not find a whisper about any of it in the usual places. So until I see something on this, I will put it into the same bucket as the one holding Galen Cook's BS 'I got emails from Porteous' stuff.

I say in my last post clear as day: I DID NOT POST ANYTHING FROM THE EMAIL COOK SENT ME - I SENT IT TO SHUTTER!

That SOB Blevins is a straight out liar and trouble maker .

Im not sure what I can do at this point. I will talk to people tomorrow because Ive had enough of that stalker.

Blevins is going to tie everybody up forever with his b.s. which may be his main goal.... backed by Amazon encouraging him?





 

 

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on November 18, 2014, 09:53:53 AM
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I haven't looked. is he still screaming LIAR over there? I have a new computer set up and haven't put all the shortcuts in yet.

Someone needs to stop his ridiculous behavior. you would expect crap like that on Facebook and You Tube. I don't understand how the jumpers stand idle?

Yes, new tonight. Now he says I admited it "over at the other site" When will that lying son of a B6tch ever stop! He says:

AB's 'It Figures' Dept: Not to harp on it too long, but I was right when I guessed that the 'upcoming productions' on DB information came from Galen Cook. Georger admitted it over at the other site. I saw a lot of dodging and weaving from Georger on this, but no actual information on such productions. At this point I believe Cook was just filling Georger with hot air. BBC shows no upcoming DB Cooper productions, nothing in any of the trades, etc. Probably just another Urban Myth on Cooper, unless someone from the other site is willing to step forward and offer details. If there are productions pending, this is not exactly a big, protected secret. But as I said, I could not find a whisper about any of it in the usual places. So until I see something on this, I will put it into the same bucket as the one holding Galen Cook's BS 'I got emails from Porteous' stuff.

I say in my last post clear as day: I DID NOT POST ANYTHING FROM THE EMAIL COOK SENT ME - I SENT IT TO SHUTTER!

That SOB Blevins is a straight out liar and trouble maker .

Im not sure what I can do at this point. I will talk to people tomorrow because Ive had enough of that stalker.

Blevins is going to tie everybody up forever with his b.s. which may be his main goal.... backed by Amazon encouraging him?





 

I hope we don't let Blevins comments dictate what we talk about over here.

He's not someone with a lot of credibility, and I can't think of anyone who uses him as a guide to the case.  Let's talk about what we want to talk about and to heck with what Blevins thinks.  (pardon my language).
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 18, 2014, 05:19:14 PM
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I haven't looked. is he still screaming LIAR over there? I have a new computer set up and haven't put all the shortcuts in yet.

Someone needs to stop his ridiculous behavior. you would expect crap like that on Facebook and You Tube. I don't understand how the jumpers stand idle?

Yes, new tonight. Now he says I admited it "over at the other site" When will that lying son of a B6tch ever stop! He says:

AB's 'It Figures' Dept: Not to harp on it too long, but I was right when I guessed that the 'upcoming productions' on DB information came from Galen Cook. Georger admitted it over at the other site. I saw a lot of dodging and weaving from Georger on this, but no actual information on such productions. At this point I believe Cook was just filling Georger with hot air. BBC shows no upcoming DB Cooper productions, nothing in any of the trades, etc. Probably just another Urban Myth on Cooper, unless someone from the other site is willing to step forward and offer details. If there are productions pending, this is not exactly a big, protected secret. But as I said, I could not find a whisper about any of it in the usual places. So until I see something on this, I will put it into the same bucket as the one holding Galen Cook's BS 'I got emails from Porteous' stuff.

I say in my last post clear as day: I DID NOT POST ANYTHING FROM THE EMAIL COOK SENT ME - I SENT IT TO SHUTTER!

That SOB Blevins is a straight out liar and trouble maker .

Im not sure what I can do at this point. I will talk to people tomorrow because Ive had enough of that stalker.

Blevins is going to tie everybody up forever with his b.s. which may be his main goal.... backed by Amazon encouraging him?





 

I hope we don't let Blevins comments dictate what we talk about over here.

He's not someone with a lot of credibility, and I can't think of anyone who uses him as a guide to the case.  Let's talk about what we want to talk about and to heck with what Blevins thinks.  (pardon my language).

I had been working on something with several other people but that is now in suspension due to Blevins and Weber (and their allowance at Dropzone). It's just a simple fact. 

I think part of their goal all along has been to be so disruptive it shuts everyone and everything down. Whether intended or not that is the effect on some which includes me. Larry Carr didn't leave Dropzone for no reason, as have others!

That doesn't mean the rest of you can't go on, as long as you can.

 :) 

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 19, 2014, 04:55:51 AM
Just heard about the new docu. I'd love to know more about it, and even to be a part of it. No one has contacted me, though.

Just got back from NY. In WA. Just started reading through the stuff. 2700 emails.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on November 19, 2014, 09:49:22 AM
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I haven't looked. is he still screaming LIAR over there? I have a new computer set up and haven't put all the shortcuts in yet.

Someone needs to stop his ridiculous behavior. you would expect crap like that on Facebook and You Tube. I don't understand how the jumpers stand idle?

Yes, new tonight. Now he says I admited it "over at the other site" When will that lying son of a B6tch ever stop! He says:

AB's 'It Figures' Dept: Not to harp on it too long, but I was right when I guessed that the 'upcoming productions' on DB information came from Galen Cook. Georger admitted it over at the other site. I saw a lot of dodging and weaving from Georger on this, but no actual information on such productions. At this point I believe Cook was just filling Georger with hot air. BBC shows no upcoming DB Cooper productions, nothing in any of the trades, etc. Probably just another Urban Myth on Cooper, unless someone from the other site is willing to step forward and offer details. If there are productions pending, this is not exactly a big, protected secret. But as I said, I could not find a whisper about any of it in the usual places. So until I see something on this, I will put it into the same bucket as the one holding Galen Cook's BS 'I got emails from Porteous' stuff.

I say in my last post clear as day: I DID NOT POST ANYTHING FROM THE EMAIL COOK SENT ME - I SENT IT TO SHUTTER!

That SOB Blevins is a straight out liar and trouble maker .

Im not sure what I can do at this point. I will talk to people tomorrow because Ive had enough of that stalker.

Blevins is going to tie everybody up forever with his b.s. which may be his main goal.... backed by Amazon encouraging him?





 

I hope we don't let Blevins comments dictate what we talk about over here.

He's not someone with a lot of credibility, and I can't think of anyone who uses him as a guide to the case.  Let's talk about what we want to talk about and to heck with what Blevins thinks.  (pardon my language).

I had been working on something with several other people but that is now in suspension due to Blevins and Weber (and their allowance at Dropzone). It's just a simple fact. 

I think part of their goal all along has been to be so disruptive it shuts everyone and everything down. Whether intended or not that is the effect on some which includes me. Larry Carr didn't leave Dropzone for no reason, as have others!

That doesn't mean the rest of you can't go on, as long as you can.

 :)

I read this post....then, I see Robert posting and removing posts at the advice of others and Jo seeming to know about them.  Can anyone say what is going on?
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Robert99 on November 19, 2014, 12:23:50 PM
Blevins and Weber know that their chickens are headed home to roost and they hope to tie up some money before the chickens arrive.  This is their last chance at fame and fortune.

Reality will not be kind to them.

Robert99
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 19, 2014, 12:36:55 PM
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I haven't looked. is he still screaming LIAR over there? I have a new computer set up and haven't put all the shortcuts in yet.

Someone needs to stop his ridiculous behavior. you would expect crap like that on Facebook and You Tube. I don't understand how the jumpers stand idle?

Yes, new tonight. Now he says I admited it "over at the other site" When will that lying son of a B6tch ever stop! He says:

AB's 'It Figures' Dept: Not to harp on it too long, but I was right when I guessed that the 'upcoming productions' on DB information came from Galen Cook. Georger admitted it over at the other site. I saw a lot of dodging and weaving from Georger on this, but no actual information on such productions. At this point I believe Cook was just filling Georger with hot air. BBC shows no upcoming DB Cooper productions, nothing in any of the trades, etc. Probably just another Urban Myth on Cooper, unless someone from the other site is willing to step forward and offer details. If there are productions pending, this is not exactly a big, protected secret. But as I said, I could not find a whisper about any of it in the usual places. So until I see something on this, I will put it into the same bucket as the one holding Galen Cook's BS 'I got emails from Porteous' stuff.

I say in my last post clear as day: I DID NOT POST ANYTHING FROM THE EMAIL COOK SENT ME - I SENT IT TO SHUTTER!

That SOB Blevins is a straight out liar and trouble maker .

Im not sure what I can do at this point. I will talk to people tomorrow because Ive had enough of that stalker.

Blevins is going to tie everybody up forever with his b.s. which may be his main goal.... backed by Amazon encouraging him?





 

I hope we don't let Blevins comments dictate what we talk about over here.

He's not someone with a lot of credibility, and I can't think of anyone who uses him as a guide to the case.  Let's talk about what we want to talk about and to heck with what Blevins thinks.  (pardon my language).

I had been working on something with several other people but that is now in suspension due to Blevins and Weber (and their allowance at Dropzone). It's just a simple fact. 

I think part of their goal all along has been to be so disruptive it shuts everyone and everything down. Whether intended or not that is the effect on some which includes me. Larry Carr didn't leave Dropzone for no reason, as have others!

That doesn't mean the rest of you can't go on, as long as you can.

 :)

I read this post....then, I see Robert posting and removing posts at the advice of others and Jo seeming to know about them.  Can anyone say what is going on?

It may be an attempt for Blevins and Jo to claim 'whiplash' in their list of injuries by Georger and Snow White?

I just love it how they claim whiplash as a result of their own actions!. It's a common theme at Dropzone.



 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 20, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Interesting how 'they and them' are following 'us' for new material!

We ought to send Dropzone and the Whiplash Twins a bill.    ::)

I mean, all these deadbeats have to do is get off their deadbeat asses and get an education, including a moral education, then do a little work and research on their own - for a change!

 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Robert99 on November 20, 2014, 03:26:12 PM
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Interesting how 'they and them' are following 'us' for new material!

We ought to send Dropzone and the Whiplash Twins a bill.    ::)

I mean, all these deadbeats have to do is get off their deadbeat asses and get an education, including a moral education, then do a little work and research on their own - for a change!

 

Amen to the above!

Please correct me if I am jumping to any conclusions, but your remarks in an earlier post here today (not to mention your similar remarks in posts here, on DZ, and elsewhere over the years) about the FBI agents who actually did some digging at Tina Bar reporting a "field" (or relatively large area) of money fragments (on or very near the surface of the sand) is totally sufficient to eliminate any possibilities that the money found at Tina Bar was from just two or three bundles that had been "planted" by Duane Weber or Blevins' Cooper candidate (presumably KC).

Translating from the above, the money arrived at Tina Bar as a result of natural actions and may have included the entire money bag's contents.  This remark does NOT mean that the entire amount of the money was dumped at Tina Bar, but that probably the entire amount of the money was in the water and working its way downstream from its original landing point which was probably not far upstream from Tina Bar.

Robert99
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 20, 2014, 04:24:30 PM
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Interesting how 'they and them' are following 'us' for new material!

We ought to send Dropzone and the Whiplash Twins a bill.    ::)

I mean, all these deadbeats have to do is get off their deadbeat asses and get an education, including a moral education, then do a little work and research on their own - for a change!

 

Amen to the above!

Please correct me if I am jumping to any conclusions, but your remarks in an earlier post here today (not to mention your similar remarks in posts here, on DZ, and elsewhere over the years) about the FBI agents who actually did some digging at Tina Bar reporting a "field" (or relatively large area) of money fragments (on or very near the surface of the sand) is totally sufficient to eliminate any possibilities that the money found at Tina Bar was from just two or three bundles that had been "planted" by Duane Weber or Blevins' Cooper candidate (presumably KC).

Translating from the above, the money arrived at Tina Bar as a result of natural actions and may have included the entire money bag's contents.  This remark does NOT mean that the entire amount of the money was dumped at Tina Bar, but that probably the entire amount of the money was in the water and working its way downstream from its original landing point which was probably not far upstream from Tina Bar.

Robert99

There is no "evidence" of a plant. There is "opinion/conjecture" it was a plant. Last time I checked even Galen Cook thinks it was a plant. Logically speaking, lack of a firm solution to 'arrival by natural means' does not imply "plant" any more than the lack of the vehicle that ran over Charlie in Omaha, implies that Charlie was "hit by a ufo or an asteroid"!  :) In terms of facts, there are no "facts" to support plant, or ufo, or asteroid! It is quite unusual that a bonafide researcher (Tom) would even jump to something like "plant" just because all other more usual theories are lacking a known solution. "Plant" is way down the list of probable causes one would normally invoke in a situation like list. Experience alone opts toward a natural solution involving natural means. Just because the causes are not defined (so far) does not move "plant" up the list of probable causes to a more probable answer. Plant shouldn't even be on the list of likely causes until something concrete requires or indicates "plant". Tom bringing it up at all was premature.

The most likely solution is a natural solution involving facts about Cooper's jump and natural facts which applied after Cooper and his money came back to earth.

I generally agree with your last paragraph except I am not inclined to say the "entire money bag's contents". It could have involved part of the money, still housed perhaps in its container or wrapped up in other trash and debris. I and several others believe that some of Tom's work indicates the bills examined by Tom show signs of contamination by the dredging debris dumped on Tina Bar in 1974 ... and that debris specifically. I and another from the USGS will be spelling that out shortly - is my aim. If contamination by dredging debris can be proved does that indicate the money came up with the dredging debris - not necessarily. It only proves an 'exposure' of the bills to dredging debris, and if that is true that presents an anomaly in terms of  the location of the Ingram find and several other presumed facts about where the dredging debris was placed, the facts about spreading, etc. 

The agents' claims concerning the early excavation at Tina Bar presents some real dilemmas. If there were larger fragments bagged and tagged and notes taken, where in hell did they go! ??? Tom and Carol should have found them at Seattle in their evidence bags! They should be sitting in Seattle in the evidence storage area! Or this whole story just made up? Or is that little plastic bag that Tom and Carol did find all there is or ever was?

More later tonight - as usual I have to run. Let me quickly say as I always do: if that Cooper money came up with the 74 dredging debris, how in blazes did it get trapped in bottom sediments of all things!, to be caught by bottom sediment dredging "of the main channel no less!", in the first place. I find that difficult to believe for a host of reasons. Keep in mind I am talking to USGS people as well as the agents trying to find common ground, facts that link together or could link together, and this is turning out to be a complex problem only Farflung or Snowmman could solve!  :)  And in fact, Snowmman may have something to contribute here. Attempts to talk to him have already been made because he may have a contribution to make in this problem ...

 

       
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 23, 2014, 04:11:17 AM
More Whiplash Blevins bullroar - the flight path:

Ole Whiplash haughtily defends the FBI flight path map - without knowing siccum about anything, much less flight path maps ... its just one more example of a wind bag throwing the burden of proof on others while denying any responsibility for proof himself, about anything! 

His tautology is: (he doesnt even know what a tautology is!): The FBI FPM is true because its on their site. Its on their site because its true. It would not be on their site if it weren't true. It cannot be untrue because it;s true!  :) :) :) Thus the noble whining bard of Auburn's B&G Houscleaning spaeketh in his infinite wisdom on everything including wisdom on nothing!  And that is the only true proposition you will ever get from or about the arrogant Mr. Blevins esq. who has been displaying his total abject lack of worth on Dropzone for four+ long years! Whivch is exactly what Dropzone wants and relies on - morons and the bigger the better!

Never mind the FBI came to DZ to review and improve their flight path map! Duhh. Whiplash denies that! In effect there was no prior history on Earth BB ... Before Blevins!

Blevins is so emotionally and intellectually impoverished he still hasn't caught up to the fact SA Carr was banned and then perma-banned and is on Quade's perma-ban list! OH MY GOD! HOW DID BLEVINS MANAGE TO MISS THAT!
Zombies are slow. Give the zombie at Auburn time to catch up to tomorrow .... and yesterday!   

As if anyone cares what the lugubrious moron thinks or says!



Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on November 23, 2014, 08:52:01 AM
It's called "selective" the flight path has to be right because the FBI, Sage, and everything else says so! according to Blevins.

Multiple events, or proof surrounding the Amboy find was not Coopers. Robert switches and says it's false?
The FBI (same guys with the path thingy) claim several times KC is not DB Cooper (different agents)
Kaye says the only option is a plant basically going by Blevins. I read "one could speculate"
I believe William Mitchell said neither KC or Weber were Cooper. doesn't stop them.

Jo says Robert99 was in the evidence room?

You can only go by there theories and nothing else or personal attacks will surely follow. that's why no Cooper discussion can be done on that site. they act as if they are in charge an require personal information such as your real name included while you are countering there stories. my name, age, or address have nothing to do with asking simple questions about someone's story. they are the ones who need credibility to prove there story, not the other way around.

Some people don't like to give there name, or give any private information. these two use that against people. Dropzone.com would specify this while signing up, and do away with allowing anything other than a real name. Perhaps Jo and Blevins could start there very own forum that requires a birth certificate when you are registering? Larry Carr should have been "perma-banned" for using Ckret! Georger has mentioned above that Robert should also be including Ckret in his list of non credible people simply because they were removed from the #1 whining, personal attacking, paranoid, argumentative website with 5% vs 95% discussion involving DB Cooper!

This is not anything nasty, or personal, but this will be used against me in several hours from now on Dropzone.





Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 23, 2014, 04:15:02 PM
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It's called "selective" the flight path has to be right because the FBI, Sage, and everything else says so! according to Blevins.

Multiple events, or proof surrounding the Amboy find was not Coopers. Robert switches and says it's false?
The FBI (same guys with the path thingy) claim several times KC is not DB Cooper (different agents)
Kaye says the only option is a plant basically going by Blevins. I read "one could speculate"
I believe William Mitchell said neither KC or Weber were Cooper. doesn't stop them.

Jo says Robert99 was in the evidence room?

You can only go by there theories and nothing else or personal attacks will surely follow. that's why no Cooper discussion can be done on that site. they act as if they are in charge an require personal information such as your real name included while you are countering there stories. my name, age, or address have nothing to do with asking simple questions about someone's story. they are the ones who need credibility to prove there story, not the other way around.

Some people don't like to give there name, or give any private information. these two use that against people. Dropzone.com would specify this while signing up, and do away with allowing anything other than a real name. Perhaps Jo and Blevins could start there very own forum that requires a birth certificate when you are registering? Larry Carr should have been "perma-banned" for using Ckret! Georger has mentioned above that Robert should also be including Ckret in his list of non credible people simply because they were removed from the #1 whining, personal attacking, paranoid, argumentative website with 5% vs 95% discussion involving DB Cooper!

This is not anything nasty, or personal, but this will be used against me in several hours from now on Dropzone.

Well it's just a fact Blevins conveniently never mentions!

I sat here and watched as Ckret was given a vacation by Quade the first time. And then gone the second time. All Ckret asked for was some relief from Jo's attacks and equity.

Quadiepoo's reply "Watch your step!". And I'm sitting here thinking "Who is this idiot Quade? GFY!". And that's just about exactly what Larry said ... and he was gone. We wondered if he would ever be back. Some time passed and he appeared. I think there was a lot of back chatter involving Sluggo with Jo and Quade on Ckret's behalf to get Ckret back at all.

But Jo started right in again attacking Ckret. Quade doing nothing. Ckret took it longer than I thought he would and finally - ZAP! And Quade perma-banned him which seems to be the only thing Paul Quade is capable of doing. I thought right there: "Dropzone is run by a bunch of Smurfs". And I was right.

And of course Jo was right in her element with Larry gone. She hasn't let up since! Then came word of Weber actually calling Washington DC trying to get Ckret fired! And she sent out PM's saying Ckret "has been fired". I sent a copy of her PM to me to Quade who didn't respond. I called Larry in Seattle and we talked. I almost left right there .... and probably should have.

Jo severely damaged her credibility, through all of this. 

The whole thing is a bunch of nonsense. Something to fill in an empty life full of angst. If she has won a few hearts and minds at Dropzone she has spurned the vast majority, on the other hand. She never will recover from this and if she wasn't already known as the "crazy lady from Pace FL" before, she certainly has earned that title now. And this is probably just the tip of the iceberg. 



   
   

   

Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: BuckwheatFlowers on November 23, 2014, 08:39:40 PM
TIL (today I learned) definitions of tautology and lugubrious.  Don't laugh. 
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on November 23, 2014, 08:41:10 PM
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TIL (today I learned) definitions of tautology and lugubrious.  Don't laugh.

Not funny at all, it's news to me as well  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 24, 2014, 12:00:34 AM
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TIL (today I learned) definitions of tautology and lugubrious.  Don't laugh.

Not funny at all, it's news to me as well  ;D ;D ;D

He shouldn't feel bad - I learnt em just last week! Couldnt wait to use em...
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on November 25, 2014, 08:26:05 AM
Can anyone find the multiple error's in this article?

"In mid-2014 it was discovered that Christiansen bought the Bonney Lake house by signing a promissory note with the Grimes couple for about $6,500, and used that as leverage to obtain a mortgage on the balance. He took 19 years to pay off a $7,500 mortgage with SeaFirst Bank - which amazingly was the SAME bank who paid out the ransom to the hijacker. Although the Grimes couple are deceased, Mr. Blevins interviewed their son in 2014. He said his parents would NOT have waited 19 years to get their money. So the question remains on how Christiansen paid them off. Blevins believes it was done in cash over a reletively short period. The son and daughter of the Grimes couple are currently researching family documents for more details."

Larry Carr once again:

There is no way Cooper could have known Seafirst bank would provide the money, most all of the national banks could have been tapped for this. It was essentially a cash loan from SeaFirst to NWA.

According to the super sleuth Blevins, it appears a bank doesn't do anything but sign a paper for a mortgage?

Basically Robert is claiming Grimes got his money for the house almost two decades later ;D and it was basically a cover for a cash deal? The family having the same misinformation about how a mortgage works tends to lead back to the same person stating the story IMO?
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Post by: MarkBennett on November 25, 2014, 10:32:15 AM
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Can anyone find the multiple error's in this article?

"In mid-2014 it was discovered that Christiansen bought the Bonney Lake house by signing a promissory note with the Grimes couple for about $6,500, and used that as leverage to obtain a mortgage on the balance. He took 19 years to pay off a $7,500 mortgage with SeaFirst Bank - which amazingly was the SAME bank who paid out the ransom to the hijacker. Although the Grimes couple are deceased, Mr. Blevins interviewed their son in 2014. He said his parents would NOT have waited 19 years to get their money. So the question remains on how Christiansen paid them off. Blevins believes it was done in cash over a reletively short period. The son and daughter of the Grimes couple are currently researching family documents for more details."

Larry Carr once again:

There is no way Cooper could have known Seafirst bank would provide the money, most all of the national banks could have been tapped for this. It was essentially a cash loan from SeaFirst to NWA.

According to the super sleuth Blevins, it appears a bank doesn't do anything but sign a paper for a mortgage?

Basically Robert is claiming Grimes got his money for the house almost two decades later ;D and it was basically a cover for a cash deal? The family having the same misinformation about how a mortgage works tends to lead back to the same person stating the story IMO?

Based on what Blevins reported and what you and Smokin99 found, I think we can piece together a good guess on how the house deal happened.

The Grimes took out a home equity loan for $7500 in 1971 and Kenny assumed it in 1972.  The Grimes then took a promissory note from Kenny for $6500.   If that is the case, Kenny didn't buy the house for ALL cash.  It's more likely he bought it for NO cash.   I couldn't find any record in Pierce County in 1972-1973 for the sale of that house, but it's possible the sale was on a real estate contract and the sale wouldn't have been recorded until the promissory note was paid off.  Looking at recordings from the pre-computer era is tedious.  It's hand written and often in cursive.

Robert's claim that Kenny used the promissory note he gave the Grimes as leverage for a loan from SeaFirst doesn't make sense either.  If Kenny was someone that didn't have the income or credit to buy the house by obtaining his own loan from the bank, why would a bank be more likely to lend him money if he showed them he just borrowed $6500 from somebody else?   I'm not a banker so I don't know what the rules are for assuming a loan, so I can't say whether that was odd or not.  Seafirst did approve the assumption of the loan.  Since the SeaFirst loan predated the promissory note (apparently), the mortgage loan would be in preferred position and the loan to value would be less than 50%.

The Grimes did not wait 19 years to get their money.  They kept the $7500 from the loan Kenny assumed and got the rest when Kenny paid off the promissory note.

Robert reports this as a strange transaction, but this seems like just the type of transaction a guy like Kenny (with moderate income) would use to buy a house.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on November 25, 2014, 10:39:31 AM
anyway you look at this it's nothing out of the ordinary. Kenny was renting an apartment for some time prior to purchasing the house. the complex was only a couple years old. it's a dive now, and misleading for Robert to claim this. Kenny seems to be educated enough to have taken risks with Real Estate that paid off big time! I seriously doubt Kenny was as bad off as Robert is claiming. he blows up everything. I don't think he is being honest in his response. it's sound too much like himself!

He also claims he remembers the complex where Kenny lived. It's amazing the memory they all have. when you ask them something not related to the case, they respond stating "how the hell should I know, it was over 40 years ago"  8)

He would be part of the story tellers in school. while on the bus you get into an argument with another student and pushed him away. by the time the lunch bell rings. you had beaten the crap out of the guy  ;D ;D
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 25, 2014, 01:29:03 PM
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Can anyone find the multiple error's in this article?

"In mid-2014 it was discovered that Christiansen bought the Bonney Lake house by signing a promissory note with the Grimes couple for about $6,500, and used that as leverage to obtain a mortgage on the balance. He took 19 years to pay off a $7,500 mortgage with SeaFirst Bank - which amazingly was the SAME bank who paid out the ransom to the hijacker. Although the Grimes couple are deceased, Mr. Blevins interviewed their son in 2014. He said his parents would NOT have waited 19 years to get their money. So the question remains on how Christiansen paid them off. Blevins believes it was done in cash over a reletively short period. The son and daughter of the Grimes couple are currently researching family documents for more details."

Larry Carr once again:

There is no way Cooper could have known Seafirst bank would provide the money, most all of the national banks could have been tapped for this. It was essentially a cash loan from SeaFirst to NWA.

According to the super sleuth Blevins, it appears a bank doesn't do anything but sign a paper for a mortgage?

Basically Robert is claiming Grimes got his money for the house almost two decades later ;D and it was basically a cover for a cash deal? The family having the same misinformation about how a mortgage works tends to lead back to the same person stating the story IMO?

Based on what Blevins reported and what you and Smokin99 found, I think we can piece together a good guess on how the house deal happened.

The Grimes took out a home equity loan for $7500 in 1971 and Kenny assumed it in 1972.  The Grimes then took a promissory note from Kenny for $6500.   If that is the case, Kenny didn't buy the house for ALL cash.  It's more likely he bought it for NO cash.   I couldn't find any record in Pierce County in 1972-1973 for the sale of that house, but it's possible the sale was on a real estate contract and the sale wouldn't have been recorded until the promissory note was paid off.  Looking at recordings from the pre-computer era is tedious.  It's hand written and often in cursive.

Robert's claim that Kenny used the promissory note he gave the Grimes as leverage for a loan from SeaFirst doesn't make sense either.  If Kenny was someone that didn't have the income or credit to buy the house by obtaining his own loan from the bank, why would a bank be more likely to lend him money if he showed them he just borrowed $6500 from somebody else?   I'm not a banker so I don't know what the rules are for assuming a loan, so I can't say whether that was odd or not.  Seafirst did approve the assumption of the loan.  Since the SeaFirst loan predated the promissory note (apparently), the mortgage loan would be in preferred position and the loan to value would be less than 50%.

The Grimes did not wait 19 years to get their money.  They kept the $7500 from the loan Kenny assumed and got the rest when Kenny paid off the promissory note.

Robert reports this as a strange transaction, but this seems like just the type of transaction a guy like Kenny (with moderate income) would use to buy a house.

No less strange than insisting the physics in the cabins of airplanes is different than in the rest of the Universe!
Strange you want - strange you get. The Strange always claim everything is "strange"!  Buyers beware!   
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: MarkBennett on November 25, 2014, 02:33:32 PM
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No less strange than insisting the physics in the cabins of airplanes is different than in the rest of the Universe!
Strange you want - strange you get. The Strange always claim everything is "strange"!  Buyers beware!

I'm don't get your reference, Georger.  Was there claims of something being different in the cabin?
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Post by: Robert99 on November 25, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
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No less strange than insisting the physics in the cabins of airplanes is different than in the rest of the Universe!
Strange you want - strange you get. The Strange always claim everything is "strange"!  Buyers beware!

I'm don't get your reference, Georger.  Was there claims of something being different in the cabin?

Georger is referring to "Blevins Physical Theory of Human Height" which claims that people are taller than they appear to be when they are in aircraft cabins.  The renowned Mr. Blevins developed his theory when he discovered that something new was required to get Kenny Christiansen's height up from 5 feet 8 inches to 6 feet.  This was necessary so that KC would remain a viable Cooper candidate.
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: georger on November 25, 2014, 06:04:47 PM
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No less strange than insisting the physics in the cabins of airplanes is different than in the rest of the Universe!
Strange you want - strange you get. The Strange always claim everything is "strange"!  Buyers beware!

I'm don't get your reference, Georger.  Was there claims of something being different in the cabin?

Georger is referring to "Blevins Physical Theory of Human Height" which claims that people are taller than they appear to be when they are in aircraft cabins.  The renowned Mr. Blevins developed his theory when he discovered that something new was required to get Kenny Christiansen's height up from 5 feet 8 inches to 6 feet.  This was necessary so that KC would remain a viable Cooper candidate.

Well, since physical optics and biology has not changed since Newton ( :) :)) the only thing Blev could be talking about is a change in the refractive index of air, inside the cabins of airplanes. Thicker air? People blowing smoke? Hot air? People passing gas? Yes, it makes sense, from Blev's perspective. I am sure optics inside airplanes is different for Blevins. Maybe the Fear factor.  But, it is the same for the rest of us as it has always been, normal people!  ;)
Title: Re: (Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation
Post by: Shutter on November 25, 2014, 06:45:12 PM
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No less strange than insisting the physics in the cabins of airplanes is different than in the rest of the Universe!
Strange you want - strange you get. The Strange always claim everything is "strange"!  Buyers beware!

I'm don't get your reference, Georger.  Was there claims of something being different in the cabin?

Georger is referring to "Blevi