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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2014, 01:15:42 PM »
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It is equally clear neither the pilots or anyone else knew Cooper was gone, until 5 or more minutes after he was gone,

According to the transcripts it appears they believed he jumped somewhere around the Merwin Lake area, south. however the transcripts also read over an hour later trying to slow his reactions down. this is way past the 5 or so minute mark?

Evidently, some "really smart guys" hadn't been informed, by other "really smart guys". 
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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2014, 02:37:30 PM »
After his real reason for posting, claiming he has never 'gossiped' at Dropzone, Mr. Blebins does his usual switch-a-roo claiming he does 'talk about Cooper', on the Dropzone DB Cooper thread. Then he re-posts his same old script about the Amboy chute claiming this is an example of him posting "about Cooper" - all of this self-serving baloney repeated below we have already seen 1-million times. The same tired script!

Yes Mr. Blebins, we have read your script before. This was already discussed ad nauseum by countless people years ago. Nothing new to report. Except that Mr, Blebins is once again calling the FBI out and calling them liars. Just as the same Mr. Blebins is preparing a new manuscript of his latest socalled "investigation" which he is going to ask the same FBI 40 days and forty nights reading, examining, and conducting their own investigation because of!

Somebody at the FBI needs to make up a brand new "Request Form" which they can simply mail
Mr. Blevins so he can file his countless "requests for investigation" as time goes on, which they can toss into a giant metal waste basket labelled: "Blevins Depository!".


Stop lumping her comments in with me, as if I had something to do with what she says. I am not the Controller of Jo Weber, thank you.

As far as discussing the case, I do that all the time. The only thing I CAN'T do currently is discuss information that is being held confidential until the FBI gets a chance to examine it.

You want to discuss something Cooper-related? Here's one: I still don't believe the FBI is being straight about the chute found in 2008 in Amboy. When I inquired on how they determined it wasn't Cooper's (back in 2013) they told me they couldn't discuss the chute because it was 'evidence in an ongoing case'. Not 'we can't discuss ANYTHING,' but specifically could not discuss the Amboy chute because it was evidence. Really?

Funny thing to say when they allegedly dismissed it as evidence more than five years previously... Crazy

Anybody's next question on that would be: If it was dismissed as evidence in 2008, why is it suddenly evidence in an ongoing case five years later? They never gave a specific reason on how they came to that determination anyway. And when I pressed them a bit on the alleged 'experts' they consulted, they admitted it was all done over the phone. No one actually was allowed to view the chute. Cossey says he saw it for a few seconds and wrote it off. But we know now that Cossey also said he OWNED the chute...and that wasn't true, either.


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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2014, 02:46:58 PM »
I don't think the Amboy chute is anything other than what has been claimed. I did give one response about it possibly being set up by the FBI to gain attention to the case. it's all speculation, and I don't have anything to back it up, or a reason to constantly bring it up. it was a thought I had that could explain why nobody has come forward about it. I could be way off base. it was just a thought.

I also believe the FBI didn't have all the facts surrounding the Wallings incident.
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #63 on: December 20, 2014, 05:29:23 PM »
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I don't think the Amboy chute is anything other than what has been claimed. I did give one response about it possibly being set up by the FBI to gain attention to the case. it's all speculation, and I don't have anything to back it up, or a reason to constantly bring it up. it was a thought I had that could explain why nobody has come forward about it. I could be way off base. it was just a thought.

I also believe the FBI didn't have all the facts surrounding the Wallings incident.

I can assure you! (Trust me on this! - Blevins words  :))  The FBI wanted to get to the bottom of the Amboy chute a helluva lot more than Mr. Blevins did. I seriously doubt that Mr. Blevins gives a crap about the Amboy chute. All the Amboy chute is to Mr. Blevins is a convenient tool for self promotion. Then Tom Kaye raises the anti by giving Blevins credit for "being the first person to raise important questions about the Amboy chute"?  GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!  What cave was Tom Kaye living in at the time. It was and still is - RIDICULOUS! And Blevins is still pounding his pub on the Amboy chute .... as if he and Tom Kaye invented it? Christ on a crutch.

All anybody has to do is go back and read the exchanges between Sluggo and Ckret etal. when the Amboy chute was first announced. Blevins wasn't even in the discussion. Who was down at Amboy poking around and digging and behind the scenes doing actual investigation - the FBI, not Blevins or Kaye! This is just one more classic example of some crank stepping in and trying to make the whole story about him. To this very day in spite of the hundreds of posts and articles by this idiot Blevins all saying the same thing, Blevins hasn't said or done one thing new that others didn't also say and actually do, in spite of Mr. Blevins' socalled expertise on the whole matter of the chute.    Then to have Tom Kaye step in and actually give Mr. Blevins credit, is beyond the pale. CREDIT FOR WHAT!???

And Blevins has pounded this thing to death since he got involved.

Blevins has some idiotic idea (or wants people to believe) that he is some kind of clearing house for the Truth ... and the very opposite is the truth! Then for Tom Kaye to certify Blevins as being 'the first' was just as idiotic as Blevins himself! It's an idiots pot pie.

Blevins tries to criticize and humiliate the FBI on the Amboy chute then turns right around and asks the FBI to review his 85? page report in detail and launch a major investigation, based on his work? He might as well turn around and ask Marla to marry him!

This is all crazy on it's face.   What it is is more than people are willing to endure! But it just might get him a place in the Crackpot Hall of Fame.
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #64 on: December 20, 2014, 05:47:30 PM »
I think we have given Blevins the stage enough for a while. he will not change his ways. they can clutter up the DZ with the gossip, but I think we are better off focusing on the subject of Cooper here. I've said my peace over there, and if nobody accepts it. I can't do much more.

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #65 on: December 20, 2014, 06:33:15 PM »
Do you walk down to the edge of the ocean, Shut, and gaze out at the horizon and wonder why there are so many crazy people on the planet, and ponder how we ended up here, too?
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #66 on: December 20, 2014, 06:39:56 PM »
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Do you walk down to the edge of the ocean, Shut, and gaze out at the horizon and wonder why there are so many crazy people on the planet, and ponder how we ended up here, too?

I wonder about a lot of things....
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #67 on: December 20, 2014, 06:53:05 PM »
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Do you walk down to the edge of the ocean, Shut, and gaze out at the horizon and wonder why there are so many crazy people on the planet, and ponder how we ended up here, too?

I wonder about a lot of things....

Shutter, that means you are sane. :)
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #68 on: December 20, 2014, 06:58:02 PM »
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Do you walk down to the edge of the ocean, Shut, and gaze out at the horizon and wonder why there are so many crazy people on the planet, and ponder how we ended up here, too?

I wonder about a lot of things....

Shutter, that means you are sane. :)


The last time I checked, I thought so too  ;D
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #69 on: December 20, 2014, 09:05:36 PM »
I concur.  ;)
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #70 on: December 21, 2014, 12:47:50 AM »
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I think we have given Blevins the stage enough for a while. he will not change his ways. they can clutter up the DZ with the gossip, but I think we are better off focusing on the subject of Cooper here. I've said my peace over there, and if nobody accepts it. I can't do much more.

Shutter

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #71 on: December 21, 2014, 01:17:27 AM »
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I don't think the Amboy chute is anything other than what has been claimed. I did give one response about it possibly being set up by the FBI to gain attention to the case. it's all speculation, and I don't have anything to back it up, or a reason to constantly bring it up. it was a thought I had that could explain why nobody has come forward about it. I could be way off base. it was just a thought.

I also believe the FBI didn't have all the facts surrounding the Wallings incident.

Robert did raise an interesting question, though....and maybe this is normal.

If the parachute is not Cooper's, as the FBI believes, why is it still being held as evidence?  Is that unusual?  Or could it be they aren't 100% sure?  Or could it be evidence in a different crime?

It would seem to me "non-evidence" would be discarded.  But, then I don't know...maybe that's normal.
 

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« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2014, 01:41:47 AM »
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I don't think the Amboy chute is anything other than what has been claimed. I did give one response about it possibly being set up by the FBI to gain attention to the case. it's all speculation, and I don't have anything to back it up, or a reason to constantly bring it up. it was a thought I had that could explain why nobody has come forward about it. I could be way off base. it was just a thought.

I also believe the FBI didn't have all the facts surrounding the Wallings incident.

Robert did raise an interesting question, though....and maybe this is normal.

If the parachute is not Cooper's, as the FBI believes, why is it still being held as evidence?  Is that unusual?  Or could it be they aren't 100% sure?  Or could it be evidence in a different crime?

It would seem to me "non-evidence" would be discarded.  But, then I don't know...maybe that's normal.



I'm not sure they ever claimed to still have the chute. if it's no longer considered evidence I would guess they disposed of it, or they possibly held on to it. can anyone verify they still have it?

I don't see them covering the whole thing up. why would Cossey claim it to be a cargo chute. he could of easily said it wasn't Cooper's chute and replied it's the wrong type of canopy. he told Bruce it was 34 feet in diameter. the chute has similar markings on it consistent with the markings of a cargo chute.

Why do they keep files on other Cooper suspects that have been looked at and dismissed over the years. some of them according to reports were easily dismissed, but I'll be they are there.

It's possible it's now considered evidence with the case based on it's original theory of being Cooper's chute?
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2014, 02:18:03 AM »
It could be something as simple as a CYA.

When "classified" JFK documents were released, some of them shouldn't have ever been classified.  Some were newspaper clippings and other public information.

If the FBI is still holding the chute, maybe they aren't sure.  If they release it and it turns out to be the Cooper chute, they end up with egg on their face.  If they hold onto it, they can't be embarrassed if it turns out it's not the Cooper chute because nobody will ever know.
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2014, 02:27:52 AM »
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It could be something as simple as a CYA.

When "classified" JFK documents were released, some of them shouldn't have ever been classified.  Some were newspaper clippings and other public information.

If the FBI is still holding the chute, maybe they aren't sure.  If they release it and it turns out to be the Cooper chute, they end up with egg on their face.  If they hold onto it, they can't be embarrassed if it turns out it's not the Cooper chute because nobody will ever know.

I'm pretty sure they know it's not Cooper's. it was also sent to the lab. several people other than Cossey had a hand in it's identification. the FBI isn't that stupid. another chute was found on the banks of the Columbia. nobody seems to be whining about that one?