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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #450 on: November 25, 2018, 03:05:58 PM »
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Yup.

Also, what is the orange/pink parachute that is in the FBI's "Gallery." I've seen it in a lot of places, and usually associated with the Amboy chute, as I recall.

that was the reserve Cooper cut up.....

Ahhhh. Thank you. That explains a lot, and clears up my confusion. Mucho gracias.
My mind keeps going back to that reserve chute he took. What could he have done with it, if it was never attached properly to begin with? Why take it? Can anyone think of any stories they've ever heard about a reserve chute, or any chute, being used for another purpose in any situation? I think one person long ago mentioned using the chute's weight to produce a decoy bounce on the stairs but it didn't seem very plausible or workable. Having said that, am baffled by that chute.
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #451 on: November 25, 2018, 04:24:08 PM »
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Yup.

Also, what is the orange/pink parachute that is in the FBI's "Gallery." I've seen it in a lot of places, and usually associated with the Amboy chute, as I recall.

that was the reserve Cooper cut up.....

Ahhhh. Thank you. That explains a lot, and clears up my confusion. Mucho gracias.
My mind keeps going back to that reserve chute he took. What could he have done with it, if it was never attached properly to begin with? Why take it? Can anyone think of any stories they've ever heard about a reserve chute, or any chute, being used for another purpose in any situation? I think one person long ago mentioned using the chute's weight to produce a decoy bounce on the stairs but it didn't seem very plausible or workable. Having said that, am baffled by that chute.

There is no mystery here - its all explained in the docs.

He tried to fashion a money bag out of it, apparently. He told Tina that and explained why he was cannibalizing chutes ... since they forgot the knapsack he requested many times.

When  get the time I will post ALL of his requests for the knapsack from various testimony we have - as well as his various explaination/statement to people about why he was tearing chutes apart - to BUILD A MONEY BAG! Its all there in the files for anyone willing to read it.
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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #452 on: November 25, 2018, 05:13:42 PM »
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Yup.

Also, what is the orange/pink parachute that is in the FBI's "Gallery." I've seen it in a lot of places, and usually associated with the Amboy chute, as I recall.

that was the reserve Cooper cut up.....

Ahhhh. Thank you. That explains a lot, and clears up my confusion. Mucho gracias.
My mind keeps going back to that reserve chute he took. What could he have done with it, if it was never attached properly to begin with? Why take it? Can anyone think of any stories they've ever heard about a reserve chute, or any chute, being used for another purpose in any situation? I think one person long ago mentioned using the chute's weight to produce a decoy bounce on the stairs but it didn't seem very plausible or workable. Having said that, am baffled by that chute.

There is no mystery here - its all explained in the docs.

He tried to fashion a money bag out of it, apparently. He told Tina that and explained why he was cannibalizing chutes ... since they forgot the knapsack he requested many times.

When  get the time I will post ALL of his requests for the knapsack from various testimony we have - as well as his various explaination/statement to people about why he was tearing chutes apart - to BUILD A MONEY BAG! Its all there in the files for anyone willing to read it.

Not to disagree but where did the contents go? The contents of the dummy chute weren't found (or disclosed) If he emptied it to use for the money, did he toss the contents out the back? Why?
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #453 on: November 25, 2018, 05:24:42 PM »
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Yup.

Also, what is the orange/pink parachute that is in the FBI's "Gallery." I've seen it in a lot of places, and usually associated with the Amboy chute, as I recall.

that was the reserve Cooper cut up.....

Ahhhh. Thank you. That explains a lot, and clears up my confusion. Mucho gracias.
My mind keeps going back to that reserve chute he took. What could he have done with it, if it was never attached properly to begin with? Why take it? Can anyone think of any stories they've ever heard about a reserve chute, or any chute, being used for another purpose in any situation? I think one person long ago mentioned using the chute's weight to produce a decoy bounce on the stairs but it didn't seem very plausible or workable. Having said that, am baffled by that chute.

There is no mystery here - its all explained in the docs.

He tried to fashion a money bag out of it, apparently. He told Tina that and explained why he was cannibalizing chutes ... since they forgot the knapsack he requested many times.

When  get the time I will post ALL of his requests for the knapsack from various testimony we have - as well as his various explaination/statement to people about why he was tearing chutes apart - to BUILD A MONEY BAG! Its all there in the files for anyone willing to read it.

Not to disagree but where did the contents go? The contents of the dummy chute weren't found (or disclosed) If he emptied it to use for the money, did he toss the contents out the back? Why?

take a good look at the area below the flight path. a lot is nothing but heavy woods and close to Mt. Saint Helen. it's luck the placard was found. could of tossed anywhere along the path. 
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #454 on: November 25, 2018, 05:32:09 PM »
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Yup.

Also, what is the orange/pink parachute that is in the FBI's "Gallery." I've seen it in a lot of places, and usually associated with the Amboy chute, as I recall.

that was the reserve Cooper cut up.....

Ahhhh. Thank you. That explains a lot, and clears up my confusion. Mucho gracias.
My mind keeps going back to that reserve chute he took. What could he have done with it, if it was never attached properly to begin with? Why take it? Can anyone think of any stories they've ever heard about a reserve chute, or any chute, being used for another purpose in any situation? I think one person long ago mentioned using the chute's weight to produce a decoy bounce on the stairs but it didn't seem very plausible or workable. Having said that, am baffled by that chute.

There is no mystery here - its all explained in the docs.

He tried to fashion a money bag out of it, apparently. He told Tina that and explained why he was cannibalizing chutes ... since they forgot the knapsack he requested many times.

When  get the time I will post ALL of his requests for the knapsack from various testimony we have - as well as his various explaination/statement to people about why he was tearing chutes apart - to BUILD A MONEY BAG! Its all there in the files for anyone willing to read it.

Not to disagree but where did the contents go? The contents of the dummy chute weren't found (or disclosed) If he emptied it to use for the money, did he toss the contents out the back? Why?

take a good look at the area below the flight path. a lot is nothing but heavy woods and close to Mt. Saint Helen. it's luck the placard was found. could of tossed anywhere along the path.

Yes, but my point is different. If you wanted to empty the dummy reserve to use for the money then why throw the contents off the plane?  You'd expect to find it laying in the cabin.

If Cooper threw the entire chute off the plane you'd likely never find it..
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #455 on: November 25, 2018, 05:43:50 PM »
correct, so I don't follow what you are saying. it leaves more questions than answers..

He didn't throw the other two chutes left behind..
If he was using one for the money then why did he stop with the one already opened.
He didn't need the other back pack so why didn't he throw that one out?


It goes on and on. only Cooper knows.
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #456 on: November 25, 2018, 06:36:24 PM »
One use for the "dummy chute" was to use it to assist DBC is descending from a tree in case he got snagged. The 14 feet worth of daisy-chained shroud lines, plus the 13-feet of a canopy, added to the 45-80 feet of cut cordline wrapped around the money bag, and DBC might have gotten to the ground when he otherwise would have been hung high and not-so dry...

...that's one possibility.
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #457 on: November 25, 2018, 07:17:11 PM »
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correct, so I don't follow what you are saying. it leaves more questions than answers..

He didn't throw the other two chutes left behind..
If he was using one for the money then why did he stop with the one already opened.
He didn't need the other back pack so why didn't he throw that one out?


It goes on and on. only Cooper knows.

Just spitballing of course, but someone who doesn't know what will happen when exiting a jet under the turbine might toss something out first to see what happens first.
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #458 on: November 25, 2018, 07:20:19 PM »
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correct, so I don't follow what you are saying. it leaves more questions than answers..

He didn't throw the other two chutes left behind..
If he was using one for the money then why did he stop with the one already opened.
He didn't need the other back pack so why didn't he throw that one out?


It goes on and on. only Cooper knows.

Just spitballing of course, but someone who doesn't know what will happen when exiting a jet under the turbine might toss something out first to see what happens first.


according to most (not me) they believe Cooper knew all about the stairs even though he had trouble with them and thought they could be lowered from the cockpit.

The briefcase seems to me to be the worst thing to attach. why take it with you? the handle sure as hell would hold it. of course his prints were on it but he had a reason not to leave it..
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #459 on: November 25, 2018, 07:46:25 PM »
Yup. Leave no evidence behind.
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #460 on: November 25, 2018, 07:47:10 PM »
I tend to think Cooper had knowledge without experience. Knowing is one thing. Doing is something entirely different.
 

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« Reply #461 on: November 25, 2018, 07:57:53 PM »
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Yup. Leave no evidence behind.

Except the tie, cigs and money he gave the stews.


There are two different issues with the chute...

If he used it for money where did the contents go? and why? Tossing makes no sense.

If not, he tossed the entire thing.
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #462 on: November 25, 2018, 08:03:35 PM »
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Yup. Leave no evidence behind.

Except the tie, cigs and money he gave the stews.


There are two different issues with the chute...

If he used it for money where did the contents go? and why? Tossing makes no sense.

If not, he tossed the entire thing.

what he left behind in 1971 is totally different from today..it wasn't any concern for evidence.
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #463 on: November 26, 2018, 12:00:29 AM »
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Yup.

Also, what is the orange/pink parachute that is in the FBI's "Gallery." I've seen it in a lot of places, and usually associated with the Amboy chute, as I recall.

that was the reserve Cooper cut up.....

Ahhhh. Thank you. That explains a lot, and clears up my confusion. Mucho gracias.
My mind keeps going back to that reserve chute he took. What could he have done with it, if it was never attached properly to begin with? Why take it? Can anyone think of any stories they've ever heard about a reserve chute, or any chute, being used for another purpose in any situation? I think one person long ago mentioned using the chute's weight to produce a decoy bounce on the stairs but it didn't seem very plausible or workable. Having said that, am baffled by that chute.

There is no mystery here - its all explained in the docs.

He tried to fashion a money bag out of it, apparently. He told Tina that and explained why he was cannibalizing chutes ... since they forgot the knapsack he requested many times.

When  get the time I will post ALL of his requests for the knapsack from various testimony we have - as well as his various explaination/statement to people about why he was tearing chutes apart - to BUILD A MONEY BAG! Its all there in the files for anyone willing to read it.

Not to disagree but where did the contents go? The contents of the dummy chute weren't found (or disclosed) If he emptied it to use for the money, did he toss the contents out the back? Why?

who knows - maybe he was in the mood to toss things - or the guys at Reno who canvased the plane were blind and stupid ?  I could believe any of those ...
 

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Re: Two Back Packs & Two Front Chutes
« Reply #464 on: November 26, 2018, 12:01:35 AM »
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correct, so I don't follow what you are saying. it leaves more questions than answers..

He didn't throw the other two chutes left behind..
If he was using one for the money then why did he stop with the one already opened.
He didn't need the other back pack so why didn't he throw that one out?


It goes on and on. only Cooper knows.

Just spitballing of course, but someone who doesn't know what will happen when exiting a jet under the turbine might toss something out first to see what happens first.

That actually isnt a bad thought! Maybe an expert would do that also!  Good thought!!  :congrats:
 
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