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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4500 on: January 14, 2020, 04:31:25 PM »
NEW! NON PARTISAN.

If Tom will look in his Transcript, socalled, he will find a list of experts the FBI consulted in order to gain perspective on the Tina Bar money find. Palmer etal.

The list as presented is Incomplete. Moreover, Seattle vs Portland offices handled the issue differently. The issue is important insofar as the history of the DB Cooper case is involved. WSHM botched this part of the case also - why I am not sure and wont conjecture about (maybe their resources and perspective was limited). Gray botched the issue. Carr didn't acknowledge or comment about the issue.

Tosaw was aware of the issue and it haunted him. Galen Cook has never said a word about any of this because he doesn't care to know anything about it (its not in his agenda to deal with). Himmelsbach and the Portland office dealt with it because they had no choice. Portland is in Portland - on the Columbia River ! Experts not mentioned in the 'Transcript' sought advice from the pilots, Rataczak in particular! So far, no 302s or notes, have surfaced which mention or document any of this. All of this was handled 'informally', off the record.

Tosaw appears to have been simply too busy juggling his many projects, to respond in February 1980. Raising Nile Kinnick's plane and writing a book about Kinnick, finding and raising Glenn Miller's plane and writing a book about Glenn Miller, .  . etc. More projects being discussed with people in the Writers Workshop at SUI in Iowa City. etc etc etc. Finally, in March 1980 Tosaw contacted a student reporter at the college newspaper to report: "“I have retired. I am now interested in the DB Cooper case. I may write a book about the Cooper case…”  [Daily Iowan interview re- Nile Kinnick plane, March 1980 ] The student reporter contacted his Prof editor who asked - "who is Richard Tosaw!".  ;)

It would be another two years, until Tosaw finally got his act together to launch an actual expedition on the Columbia River at Portland:

1982 Feb – “An attorney from Modesto CA with a taste for adventure is launching a search for the body of 1971 skyjacker D.B. Cooper. Richard Tosaw 56 is offering a $25,000 reward for anyone who can produce Cooper’s remains. Tosaw will be in Vancouver on Thursday to begin organizing a search for the remains … The search is planned for area forests this summer. … Tosaw has created ‘Research Publishing Co.’  to market a book on his search. The preferred title is “I Found DB Cooper” … He has placed classified ads in Northwest papers offering his reward good until July 1, 1982. The Modesto Bee Newspaper confirmed Tosaw is a long-time attorney there with extensive real estate holdings. …”    [Feb 10, 1982 Spokesman-Review Spokane WA]

The world had already passed Tosaw by. Two years is a long time, and Tosaw would regret the lapse ... still looking on the Columbia in 2005-08, according to Galen Cook.
       

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4501 on: January 14, 2020, 11:55:52 PM »
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Did Tosaw ever find Glenn Miller's plane?          Did Tosaw ever find Einstein's missing letters?        ???

Neither Tosaw nor anyone else has found Glen Miller's airplane.  How do you know that any Einstein letters are missing?
 

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« Reply #4502 on: January 15, 2020, 12:35:35 AM »
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Did Tosaw ever find Glenn Miller's plane?          Did Tosaw ever find Einstein's missing letters?        ???

Neither Tosaw nor anyone else has found Glen Miller's airplane.  How do you know that any Einstein letters are missing?

What Einstein letters are you talking about - how do you know Einstein letters are missing?  Please explain to us what the connection between Richard Tosaw and Albert Einstein is ?    :rofl:

Hint:  Milan Popovic.    Hint:    Dord Krstic.       Hint: Hydrology               Hint: Electrodynamics

Keep track of the fact that Tosaw rubbed shoulders with all kinds of people with all kinds of ideas, at the SUI Writer's Workshop. The workshop is a fertile environment for exposure to people's claims and ideas, from a broad cross section of the human experience. (whether people actually know anything about the subject or not!) Tosaw apparently saw himself as an adventurer, a competitor, and a raconteur with things to prove to the world. He apparently wanted to put his personal stamp on something *important.   

The same personality type can be found at DB Cooper forums.  :)

The question is what Einstein letters you are talking about?  You have correctly identified yourself in your last sentence above.
 

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« Reply #4503 on: January 16, 2020, 01:03:10 PM »
Tosaw's law practice didn't involve courtroom work. His specialty was finding missing persons, often lost heirs. He had a good reputation in the legal profession for delivering results.

I wasn't aware that he was involved in these other aviation mysteries. but it fits.

Sure wish I had known him personally. With my commercial fishing experience and connections I sure could have helped him improve the design of his dragged snagging gear.

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« Reply #4504 on: January 16, 2020, 02:15:08 PM »
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Tosaw's law practice didn't involve courtroom work. His specialty was finding missing persons, often lost heirs. He had a good reputation in the legal profession for delivering results.

I wasn't aware that he was involved in these other aviation mysteries. but it fits.

Sure wish I had known him personally. With my commercial fishing experience and connections I sure could have helped him improve the design of his dragged snagging gear.

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Im sure you could have. Tell me what you think of his attached claims in this article?

I think Tosaw picked up a lot of ideas for books and projects at the Writer's Workshop at Iowa City. Finding and writing about the planes and lives of lost WWII war heroes is right out of that post-WWII genre at the Workshop - likewise people's fascination with Einstein's personal history at the Writer's Workshop: see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login   One standing issue at the time was whether Einstein's wife, Mileva Maric, had contributed to or even authored some of Einstein's work. Family letters and Einstein's work papers were being examined to look for clues. Tosaw compares himself to Albert Einstein searching for Relativity in three separate interviews stretched out over time. The comparison is personal with Tosaw, but not even remotely valid historically.

Tell me what you think about Tosaw's comment about fishing practices vs Cooper artifacts in the Columbia ?   Keep track of the fact Tosaw is making these remarks in 1988, announcing a shift in his search strategy - eight years! after the Ingram find in 1980. A lot of water has passed 'under the bridge' since 1980 - Tosaw is in catch up mode! He will continue searching clear into the 2000s, Cook joins him in 2005, ... Tosaw dies in 2009 and wills $5000 to Bill Rataczak.
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« Reply #4505 on: January 16, 2020, 03:19:30 PM »
I found some interesting info while querying old Columbia River gillnetters. They DID have a lot of problems with sunken logs and stumps ruining their nets and DID clear prime drift areas annually. They used "snag nets" (small nets designed to hang up on bottom snags) to locate snags to which barge-based divers were then directed to remove.

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Doubtful that Cooper would have been found this way. Underwater visibility was very poor (often only several inches) and divers went directly to snags found with snag nets. A snag net couldn't lift a big stump or log but probably could have raised a body.

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« Reply #4506 on: January 16, 2020, 03:45:53 PM »
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I found some interesting info while querying old Columbia River gillnetters. They DID have a lot of problems with sunken logs and stumps ruining their nets and DID clear prime drift areas annually. They used "snag nets" (small nets designed to hang up on bottom snags) to locate snags to which barge-based divers were then directed to remove.

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Doubtful that Cooper would have been found this way. Underwater visibility was very poor (often only several inches) and divers went directly to snags found with snag nets. A snag net couldn't lift a big stump or log but probably could have raised a body.

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wow! Thank you very much. I wish we were closer to work on this together ... over a beer and lunch. Your remarks are identical to the remarks of commercial fishermen I have interviewed. One fisherman who encountered and talked to Tosaw back in the day, told me Tosaw was 'green and naive' and he basically didn't know what he was doing ore talking about. People watched Tosaw working, talked to Tosaw and some of the people working with him ... "as long as he paid me I didn't argue with him" is one comment. In the final analysis, he found nothing related to Cooper. I guess that's the only conclusion one can come to.

I get the impression that Tosaw walked blind into a situation where a lot of professionals had been working for years, he basically ignored people's advice, and forged ahead ........ years after the Ingram find and other searches had already been conducted by the FBI and others! He is still trying in 2005-08!

It's also interesting to me (and maybe important) that his very first search is on ground - in the trees - in the flight path area he thinks he has ... not IN the river. He starts with the easy/obvious and moves to the difficult, the river itself. But again he spends years rolling this out ...

In the meantime immediately following the FBI leaving at Tina Bar, other people get rolling - searching. Tosaw wont start for another 2-3 years. And the rest of the actual story is: the FBI was well aware of what people were doing and where, and watching, with a network established. The search for Cooper artifacts was happening, without Tosaw. The FBI was not sitting idly by .... that's the untold story that matters.

Thanks! If you get any more good info or ideas please contact me. (Im back on the air!)

             
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« Reply #4507 on: January 16, 2020, 11:41:59 PM »
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I found some interesting info while querying old Columbia River gillnetters. They DID have a lot of problems with sunken logs and stumps ruining their nets and DID clear prime drift areas annually. They used "snag nets" (small nets designed to hang up on bottom snags) to locate snags to which barge-based divers were then directed to remove.

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Doubtful that Cooper would have been found this way. Underwater visibility was very poor (often only several inches) and divers went directly to snags found with snag nets. A snag net couldn't lift a big stump or log but probably could have raised a body.

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wow! Thank you very much. I wish we were closer to work on this together ... over a beer and lunch. Your remarks are identical to the remarks of commercial fishermen I have interviewed. One fisherman who encountered and talked to Tosaw back in the day, told me Tosaw was 'green and naive' and he basically didn't know what he was doing ore talking about. People watched Tosaw working, talked to Tosaw and some of the people working with him ... "as long as he paid me I didn't argue with him" is one comment. In the final analysis, he found nothing related to Cooper. I guess that's the only conclusion one can come to.

I get the impression that Tosaw walked blind into a situation where a lot of professionals had been working for years, he basically ignored people's advice, and forged ahead ........ years after the Ingram find and other searches had already been conducted by the FBI and others! He is still trying in 2005-08!

It's also interesting to me (and maybe important) that his very first search is on ground - in the trees - in the flight path area he thinks he has ... not IN the river. He starts with the easy/obvious and moves to the difficult, the river itself. But again he spends years rolling this out ...

In the meantime immediately following the FBI leaving at Tina Bar, other people get rolling - searching. Tosaw wont start for another 2-3 years. And the rest of the actual story is: the FBI was well aware of what people were doing and where, and watching, with a network established. The search for Cooper artifacts was happening, without Tosaw. The FBI was not sitting idly by .... that's the untold story that matters.

Thanks! If you get any more good info or ideas please contact me. (Im back on the air!)

           

I've got a few good questions:

1.  If Tosaw was on such good terms with Rataczak, I presume that they may have discussed the airliner's flight path.  At least that would seem to be logical.  So if the so-called FBI flight path is correct, why was Tosaw so fixated on Tina Bar?  Did Rataczak tell Tosaw that the airliner basically flew right down the middle of the Columbia River in the Tina Bar area?

2.  Why did Captain Scott reportedly tell his daughter that the flight path that was publicly announced (presumably the so-called FBI flight path) was all wrong?

3.  Mount St. Helens blew its top about three months after the money was found at Tina Bar in February 1980.  Most of the ash from Mount St. Helens landed in the Columbia River watershed upstream from the Bonneville Dam which is just east of Portland.  As the ash came down the Columbia River, it damaged the generators at the Bonneville Dam and clogged up the shipping channel between Portland and the Pacific Ocean.  Shipping was stopped and the shipping channel had to be dredged to remove the ash.  So what was Tosaw's expecting to find a few years after the money had been found and the shipping channel dredged?

4.  The money was found at Tina Bar outside the nominal river level.  If the money had been in the river at its nominal level, how did it get up on the bank?  As Tom Kaye has demonstrated using actual currency, when placed in a stream the first thing a packet of bills does is flare at the ends and then sinks to the bottom where it stays.  This means that the money was moving DOWN towards sea level and not UP from sea level when it came to rest at Tina Bar.  This also means that that it probably arrived at Tina Bar during a high water event shortly after the hijacking.

Georger, I eagerly await your explanations to the above. 
 
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« Reply #4508 on: January 17, 2020, 12:35:59 AM »
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I found some interesting info while querying old Columbia River gillnetters. They DID have a lot of problems with sunken logs and stumps ruining their nets and DID clear prime drift areas annually. They used "snag nets" (small nets designed to hang up on bottom snags) to locate snags to which barge-based divers were then directed to remove.

Using this info I located this article: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Doubtful that Cooper would have been found this way. Underwater visibility was very poor (often only several inches) and divers went directly to snags found with snag nets. A snag net couldn't lift a big stump or log but probably could have raised a body.

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wow! Thank you very much. I wish we were closer to work on this together ... over a beer and lunch. Your remarks are identical to the remarks of commercial fishermen I have interviewed. One fisherman who encountered and talked to Tosaw back in the day, told me Tosaw was 'green and naive' and he basically didn't know what he was doing ore talking about. People watched Tosaw working, talked to Tosaw and some of the people working with him ... "as long as he paid me I didn't argue with him" is one comment. In the final analysis, he found nothing related to Cooper. I guess that's the only conclusion one can come to.

I get the impression that Tosaw walked blind into a situation where a lot of professionals had been working for years, he basically ignored people's advice, and forged ahead ........ years after the Ingram find and other searches had already been conducted by the FBI and others! He is still trying in 2005-08!

It's also interesting to me (and maybe important) that his very first search is on ground - in the trees - in the flight path area he thinks he has ... not IN the river. He starts with the easy/obvious and moves to the difficult, the river itself. But again he spends years rolling this out ...

In the meantime immediately following the FBI leaving at Tina Bar, other people get rolling - searching. Tosaw wont start for another 2-3 years. And the rest of the actual story is: the FBI was well aware of what people were doing and where, and watching, with a network established. The search for Cooper artifacts was happening, without Tosaw. The FBI was not sitting idly by .... that's the untold story that matters.

Thanks! If you get any more good info or ideas please contact me. (Im back on the air!)

           

I've got a few good questions:

1.  If Tosaw was on such good terms with Rataczak, I presume that they may have discussed the airliner's flight path.  At least that would seem to be logical.  So if the so-called FBI flight path is correct, why was Tosaw so fixated on Tina Bar?  Did Rataczak tell Tosaw that the airliner basically flew right down the middle of the Columbia River in the Tina Bar area?

2.  Why did Captain Scott reportedly tell his daughter that the flight path that was publicly announced (presumably the so-called FBI flight path) was all wrong?

3.  Mount St. Helens blew its top about three months after the money was found at Tina Bar in February 1980.  Most of the ash from Mount St. Helens landed in the Columbia River watershed upstream from the Bonneville Dam which is just east of Portland.  As the ash came down the Columbia River, it damaged the generators at the Bonneville Dam and clogged up the shipping channel between Portland and the Pacific Ocean.  Shipping was stopped and the shipping channel had to be dredged to remove the ash.  So what was Tosaw's expecting to find a few years after the money had been found and the shipping channel dredged?

4.  The money was found at Tina Bar outside the nominal river level.  If the money had been in the river at its nominal level, how did it get up on the bank?  As Tom Kaye has demonstrated using actual currency, when placed in a stream the first thing a packet of bills does is flare at the ends and then sinks to the bottom where it stays.  This means that the money was moving DOWN towards sea level and not UP from sea level when it came to rest at Tina Bar.  This also means that that it probably arrived at Tina Bar during a high water event shortly after the hijacking.

Georger, I eagerly await your explanations to the above.

1/2. I have no complete understanding of Tosaw's relationship with Rataczak. Does Rataczak even understand it? I'm not sure Galen Cook even knows but he might have some ideas about the relationship since he knew Tosaw personally.
3. What Tosaw expected to find or announced he was looking for on specific dates, will be covered in news interviews Tosaw gave about those expeditions. Stay tuned.
4. Tosaw did not know Tom Kaye and never communicated with Tom about Yom's findings, so far as I know . . . or with you about your theories. Tosaw died in 2009. Did you ever communicate with Tosaw? 

I feel safe in saying that nothing either you or Kaye has ever done or said, played any role in Tosaw's thinking or decisions. Early in his searches he was on record as supporting the dredging theory - that was part of his logic for raking the bottom of the river in certain areas including between the mile markers where Tina Bar dredging materials came from.. As the 1988 article previously posted indicates, which 377 and I exchanged remarks about, Tosaw shifted his strategy focusing more on wing dam searches vs bottom raking, in 1988. That change in strategy brought the Rainey family on board and the discovery of a flare chute buried in mud at one wing dam, in November 1988.

As some point I plan to post a nautical chart identifying the areas searched by Tosaw and others, over the years.

Why would Tosaw need to communicate with either Tom Kaye or myself?  Tosaw should have known, or could have easily discovered, what I mentioned.

If I remember correctly, you have previously represented yourself as something of a physicist in one of your incarnations.  Thus, you should be able to understand why water runs down hill.  It is just moving from a high energy state to a lower energy state.  Do you understand where the change in energy goes?   
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4509 on: January 17, 2020, 02:50:07 AM »
You asked the following: Try these answers!

I've got a few good questions:

1.  If Tosaw was on such good terms with Rataczak, I presume that they may have discussed the airliner's flight path.  At least that would seem to be logical.  So if the so-called FBI flight path is correct, why was Tosaw so fixated on Tina Bar?  Did Rataczak tell Tosaw that the airliner basically flew right down the middle of the Columbia River in the Tina Bar area?

I dont know what R told Tosaw about the flight path. Ask Galen Cook. Ask Bruce Smith, Cook's friend! Tosaw said he was interested in Tina Bar and the area around it because that's where Cooper money was found. Tosaw also said he thought Cooper had dropped into the Columbia and died close to Tina Bar. He said that he thought the money had come up during the dredging project in '74 near Tina Bar. That is why he said he was dragging that area. You have Tosaw's book. You tell us! 

2.  Why did Captain Scott reportedly tell his daughter that the flight path that was publicly announced (presumably the so-called FBI flight path) was all wrong?

Scott's wife is on record as saying Scott told her Cooper dropped and was probably dead near Merwin lake. Scott told an audience the same thing. I have no idea what Scott told his daughter Ulis featured her at his Cooper-Con to the exclusion of Scott and his wife's testimony. I guess you and Ulis are saying the daughter Trumps the wife and Scott himself? How in hell would I or anyone else know? You and Ulis are the two with all these claims - why present the daughter's recollection without present the wife's and Scott own pubished testimony? Seems selective and political to me, but you and Ulis are very political. Ulis has run for public office many times, in several States, and failed.

3.  Mount St. Helens blew its top about three months after the money was found at Tina Bar in February 1980.  Most of the ash from Mount St. Helens landed in the Columbia River watershed upstream from the Bonneville Dam which is just east of Portland.  As the ash came down the Columbia River, it damaged the generators at the Bonneville Dam and clogged up the shipping channel between Portland and the Pacific Ocean.  Shipping was stopped and the shipping channel had to be dredged to remove the ash.  So what was Tosaw's expecting to find a few years after the money had been found and the shipping channel dredged?

You mean a few years after the money find and Mt St Helens. The two are consecutive. By 'a few years after' I guess you mean 1982? As I have previously stated Tosaw's first search was "in the trees" on land, not in the water per se. Read the 1982 article I posted. You need to start reading what people and documents say and stop making up your own versions of things. In addition I already told you to my knowledge Tosaw never knew you or addressed any of your theories. Tosaw never read Dropzone so far as I know. In one conversation I had with him he told me he didn't know what Dropzone was. I never asked him if he knew you or your theories, but I am guessing he didn't.   

4.  The money was found at Tina Bar outside the nominal river level.  If the money had been in the river at its nominal level, how did it get up on the bank?  As Tom Kaye has demonstrated using actual currency, when placed in a stream the first thing a packet of bills does is flare at the ends and then sinks to the bottom where it stays.  This means that the money was moving DOWN towards sea level and not UP from sea level when it came to rest at Tina Bar.  This also means that that it probably arrived at Tina Bar during a high water event shortly after the hijacking.

Your wordy complex proposal is a theory of sorts and nothing more. Can you suggest any tests, like isotopic tests, that could validate your socalled theory vs. other theories? Mr. Tosaw believed in the dredging theory. 


Georger, I eagerly await your explanations to the above. 

Snarky is as snarky does. I dont see that your snarky Inquisition illuminates the money problem one bit.
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« Reply #4510 on: January 17, 2020, 05:17:20 AM »
R99 shuffles and dodges then throws his dice hoping people wont notice or care: "2.  Why did Captain Scott reportedly tell his daughter that the flight path that was publicly announced (presumably the so-called FBI flight path) was all wrong?"

Was all wrong !!!?

Bullshit. Pure boilerpate using Scott's daughter. Scott's daughter did not say: 'Was all wrong", as R99 is saying she said!

R99's only salvation in this maneuver is his use of the word "reportedly tell his daughter ". R99 covers his xxx with that caveat! But, he then goes on to smear on more grease by adding: " flight path that was publicly announced (presumably the so-called FBI flight path)". This sounds like something straight out of the Robert Blevins Handbook! Weave and dodge. Reclamation with a little lie. Nobody will notice or care. 

When this came up after Ulis first posted it, I posted that Scott himself and his wife had given different accounts. The board stayed silent. Neither R99 or Ulis replied or commented. NO WONDER!

How low and politically managed can it get here! ? Just to score a point? Just to make a new and revision version of the former testimony. And who is right and who is wrong. The answer is quite clear!

Robert Nicholson and Eric Ulis are right ..... and nothing and nobody else matters!

WE WILL OBEY!  :rofl:   

In a pig's eye we will obey! This is intentional misrepresentation by the guy who wants the world to adopt his so-called West Path and other claims. His faux lessons in physics and other matters. The smartest two guys in the room. Electioneering at the DBCooper Forum ? Gag me with a John Deere twelve row planter.   
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4511 on: January 17, 2020, 10:37:28 AM »
Other than the trolling and snarkiness taking place here I find the discussion regarding Tena Bar to be fun and interesting.

Now, where to start...

Let me start by stating that none of us gets to choose or decide the flight path that 305 flew as it traveled south over southwestern Washington. The true flight path is the true flight path regardless of what any of us say. This is worth keeping in mind.

Now, that said, I view my role as a researcher of the evidence and letting it speak to the truth of the flight path. This involves shutting the hell up and listening. This requires thinking.

Yes, indeed, I have theories, I put them out there and understand that history will judge me well. After all, I am intellectually honest and have only the truth as my agenda.

Next subject: I'm trying to understand why it is relevant that Captain Scott believed that DBC died in or around Lake Merwin strung up in some tree. After all, this cannot be true. Period.

How do I know this cannot be true? Well, because of the money find at Tena Bar. The money did not have little money legs with a little money shovel and hike to Tena Bar to hideout for 8 years. Right?

Nonetheless, when Captain Scott tells Himmelsbach that he believes they flew over Woodland, well that is interesting. And it is notable. But it proves nothing.

On the other hand, what does prove something is the placard find, the money find, and, I believe, the fiberglass skirt find. Science and the Laws of Physics are never wrong. These pieces of evidence speak to the truth whether we're willing to listen or not.

In my mind, these pieces of evidence speak to an FBI Flight Path that is flawed in at least a few areas. Additionally, they appear to validate the Western Flight Path.

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« Reply #4512 on: January 17, 2020, 12:59:55 PM »
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Other than the trolling and snarkiness taking place here I find the discussion regarding Tena Bar to be fun and interesting.

Now, where to start...

Let me start by stating that none of us gets to choose or decide the flight path that 305 flew as it traveled south over southwestern Washington. The true flight path is the true flight path regardless of what any of us say. This is worth keeping in mind.

Now, that said, I view my role as a researcher of the evidence and letting it speak to the truth of the flight path. This involves shutting the hell up and listening. This requires thinking.

Yes, indeed, I have theories, I put them out there and understand that history will judge me well. After all, I am intellectually honest and have only the truth as my agenda.

Next subject: I'm trying to understand why it is relevant that Captain Scott believed that DBC died in or around Lake Merwin strung up in some tree. After all, this cannot be true. Period.

How do I know this cannot be true? Well, because of the money find at Tena Bar. The money did not have little money legs with a little money shovel and hike to Tena Bar to hideout for 8 years. Right?

Nonetheless, when Captain Scott tells Himmelsbach that he believes they flew over Woodland, well that is interesting. And it is notable. But it proves nothing.

On the other hand, what does prove something is the placard find, the money find, and, I believe, the fiberglass skirt find. Science and the Laws of Physics are never wrong. These pieces of evidence speak to the truth whether we're willing to listen or not.

In my mind, these pieces of evidence speak to an FBI Flight Path that is flawed in at least a few areas. Additionally, they appear to validate the Western Flight Path.

Cheers!

Flim flam shuffle.

Why not just quote Jeremiah and Proverbs?

This isn't an election to win or lose by deceits and claims. Answer the questions put to you for a change!

This is ridiculous.   

* I agree with R99. How many "incarnations" are we dealing with here? This electioneering deception is as plain as the nose on your face. If others are too timid or sold out to state the obvious - that's their problemo. We dont need a King or a Prophet or a self appointed Cooperobergruppenführer spouting mush.

Ive got some news for you! You and Nicholson did not discovers of fire and the wheel!

""Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said."

** Wm Scott Aero Club talk, 1997:  "``There was a big reservoir down there with trees in it,'' Scott said. ..." He left us near Merwin Dam"... ``I just thought he went down there and got wrapped up in the trees.''
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4513 on: January 17, 2020, 02:19:56 PM »
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Flim flam shuffle.

Why not just quote Jeremiah and Proverbs?

This isn't an election to win or lose by deceits and claims. Answer the questions put to you for a change!

This is ridiculous.   

* I agree with R99. How many "incarnations" are we dealing with here? This electioneering deception is as plain as the nose on your face. If others are too timid or sold out to state the obvious - that's their problemo. We dont need a King or a Prophet or a self appointed Cooperobergruppenführer spouting mush.

Ive got some news for you! You and Nicholson did not discovers of fire and the wheel!

""Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said."

** Wm Scott Aero Club talk, 1997:  "``There was a big reservoir down there with trees in it,'' Scott said. ..." He left us near Merwin Dam"... ``I just thought he went down there and got wrapped up in the trees.''

I get it...you believe in little money legs and little money shovels.

Cheers!
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4514 on: January 17, 2020, 03:17:24 PM »
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Flim flam shuffle.

Why not just quote Jeremiah and Proverbs?

This isn't an election to win or lose by deceits and claims. Answer the questions put to you for a change!

This is ridiculous.   

* I agree with R99. How many "incarnations" are we dealing with here? This electioneering deception is as plain as the nose on your face. If others are too timid or sold out to state the obvious - that's their problemo. We dont need a King or a Prophet or a self appointed Cooperobergruppenführer spouting mush.

Ive got some news for you! You and Nicholson did not discovers of fire and the wheel!

""Her husband was convinced Cooper died in the leap, said Frances Scott. "He felt he jumped into Lake Merwin (Cowlitz County) and got tangled up in dead trees and died," she said."

** Wm Scott Aero Club talk, 1997:  "``There was a big reservoir down there with trees in it,'' Scott said. ..." He left us near Merwin Dam"... ``I just thought he went down there and got wrapped up in the trees.''

I get it...you believe in little money legs and little money shovels.

Cheers!

Oh, my!  Georger's Great Big Ego has been pricked and he is really pissed off!

Georger, why don't you just man up and come out of the bushes?  Your incarnations now apparently includes theologian as well as the previous ones of map expert, expert on relativity who taught Albert Einstein everything he knew on the subject, interviewer of everyone on the planet who may (or may not) have heard of the Cooper hijacking, what the flight crew should have known (presumably by ESP) about the credibility of the FAA's Chief Psychologist even if they had never heard of him, when the best proven laws of science (on Thermodynamics) don't apply to the Cooper hijacking, etc., etc.,.....

Georger, for your information, Himmelbach's  book states that Lake Merwin was searched, including by an improvised submarine, and nothing related to Cooper was found.  Also, according to an e-mail you sent me a number of years ago, you stated that you had talked to the crew of the helicopter that Himmelbach boarded and that they flew up to Woodland and then headed south, with no indication that they ever got east of that line.   
 
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