Poll

How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

Author Topic: Tina Bar Money Find  (Read 415056 times)

Offline andrade1812

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 449
  • Thanked: 56 times
    • My Website
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4200 on: January 20, 2019, 06:44:55 PM »
There are over 4000 posts in this thread, a large chunk of them dealing specifically with the location of the money. While there are disagreements as to precisely where the money was found, no one on here has ever suggested our numbers were off by 120 feet. That claim will require some extraordinary explanation...
 

Offline EU

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 986
  • Thanked: 124 times
    • DB  Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4201 on: January 22, 2019, 01:51:50 AM »
The following link is to a piece I wrote regarding my pinpointing the precise Tena Bar money find spot. The piece is on my "DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson" site, however, it does not reference Sheridan at all. I've included old file pictures of Tena Bar, in addition to pictures of Tena Bar I took on January 19, 2019.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Cheers!
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

RFK
 

Offline georger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1232
  • Thanked: 186 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4202 on: January 22, 2019, 02:39:31 AM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
The following link is to a piece I wrote regarding my pinpointing the precise Tena Bar money find spot. The piece is on my "DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson" site, however, it does not reference Sheridan at all. I've included old file pictures of Tena Bar, in addition to pictures of Tena Bar I took on January 19, 2019.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Cheers!

Well, if you accept the helo photo as evidence, shown on your site, then yes landmarks from that photo can be compared to known-registered landmarks (buildings) on the Fazio property using USGS photos from 1979-80, and the exact coordinate of your dollar sign Ingram find location can be calculated, quite easily. The lat-long and gps coords of buildings on the Fazio property are known fixed locations in County records. Shutter proved that years ago! In fact Dave's work allowed us to use a 220ft long building on the Fazio estate to serve as a scale for everything else ... in all USGS photos!

But there is an immediate problem. You say the money find was ten feet from the shoreline. The helo photo you site shows the find site was 40-60 feet from the shoreline, which is exactly what traditional commentaries have always claimed. If you accept the helo photo you cite then your find location is 40-60 feet from the water's edge, not 10 feet as you claim ?

Here is a scaled version of the helo photo you are using. Each of those grid segments Dorwin and others scribed was approx 20 feet apart. That provides a scale for the helo photo. No way is the money find at 10 feet from the water line!     
« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 02:44:16 AM by georger »
 

Offline georger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1232
  • Thanked: 186 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4203 on: January 22, 2019, 03:14:13 AM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
The following link is to a piece I wrote regarding my pinpointing the precise Tena Bar money find spot. The piece is on my "DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson" site, however, it does not reference Sheridan at all. I've included old file pictures of Tena Bar, in addition to pictures of Tena Bar I took on January 19, 2019.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Cheers!

There is another problem that rarely gets mentioned: (a) nobody seems so know or recall who drove "the stake" at Tena Bar presumably identifying the Ingram find site! Dorwin and his associates say the stake was there when they arrived around noon on Tuesday the 12th. Dorwin says he asked and no one seemed to have an answer. One person even suggested that Harold Ingram himself had driven the stake to mark his find location ?? Another said no, somebody went with Harold to the site, perhaps somebody from the Vancouver FBI office, and that person drove the stake in Harold's presence. That stake however, became the cornerstone for the grid Dorwin and his associates laid out orienting the excavation. If the stake wasnt an accurate truthful marker of the find site, then doubt is cast over everything.

(b)  On Wednesday Feb 13th, Mrs Crystal Ingram called and asked for Ralph Himmelsbach at the Portland Office and told him bluntly that the story of Brian Ingram finding the money was 'NOT entirely accurate’. And 'they have even given you the wrong location'. 'The kids were playing together with sticks by the fire and the place the money was found was near the water's edge'. Crystal went on to tell 'H' that Pat and Harold had also withheld bills they were keeping as souvenirs, and at length arrangements were made for Crystal to deliver other bills the Ingrams were holding, to 'H' several days later.! So far as I know Crystal Ingram was never taken to Tena Bar and asked to show everyone where the money was found. Her testimony was ignored in spite of the fact she outed Harold and Pat for withholding bills, which the FBI had to then arrange to be delivered through Crystal Ingram personally!

I dont frankly know how to resolve all of this until further evidence surfaces favoring one story versus the other.   
« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 03:41:57 AM by georger »
 

Offline EU

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 986
  • Thanked: 124 times
    • DB  Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4204 on: January 22, 2019, 09:00:48 AM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
The following link is to a piece I wrote regarding my pinpointing the precise Tena Bar money find spot. The piece is on my "DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson" site, however, it does not reference Sheridan at all. I've included old file pictures of Tena Bar, in addition to pictures of Tena Bar I took on January 19, 2019.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Cheers!

Well, if you accept the helo photo as evidence, shown on your site, then yes landmarks from that photo can be compared to known-registered landmarks (buildings) on the Fazio property using USGS photos from 1979-80, and the exact coordinate of your dollar sign Ingram find location can be calculated, quite easily. The lat-long and gps coords of buildings on the Fazio property are known fixed locations in County records. Shutter proved that years ago! In fact Dave's work allowed us to use a 220ft long building on the Fazio estate to serve as a scale for everything else ... in all USGS photos!

But there is an immediate problem. You say the money find was ten feet from the shoreline. The helo photo you site shows the find site was 40-60 feet from the shoreline, which is exactly what traditional commentaries have always claimed. If you accept the helo photo you cite then your find location is 40-60 feet from the water's edge, not 10 feet as you claim ?

Here is a scaled version of the helo photo you are using. Each of those grid segments Dorwin and others scribed was approx 20 feet apart. That provides a scale for the helo photo. No way is the money find at 10 feet from the water line!   

A handful of things.

First, I did not claim that the money find was 10 feet from the water's edge. As it stands today, the money find spot is actually offshore approximately 10 feet. The money find spot was about 40 feet from the edge of the road (which is still there in the appropriate spot), therefore, was about 50 feet from the water's edge in 1980. Moreover, I estimate that in 1971 the money find spot was about 60 feet from the water's edge. This is based off the satellite or high-altitude pictures of Tena Bar that I found. Of course, the assumption is that the river is not unusually high or low in these pictures.

Second, there are only two sections of Tena Bar where the road is "S" shaped. One location is very near the "Tena Bar Member's Only" sign. The other section is near the northern end of the Fazio's property and is near where the money was found. Of note, on the Citizen Sleuths website there is an overlay photo comparing a helicopter shot of the beach being dug up with a contemporary image of an "S" portion of the road. The contemporary picture erroneously features the "S" portion of the road near the Tena Bar Member's Only sign, not the correct portion of the road near the northern property line. I contacted Tom Kaye and pointed this error out to him.

Thirdly, you mentioned the old leaning tree often seen in the background of pictures with Brian and others. I believe that same tree is still there but felled by erosion. In fact, there is a tree that looks quite old and similar, however, I can't be certain it is the exact same tree.

Fourthly, regardless of the Crystal Ingram story or who drove the stake in the ground we can clearly see from footage where the FBI agents unearthed a few small pieces while digging which apparently was the same spot as the bulk find. It is the same spot that is heavily dug up in aerial photos from the helicopter that I've referenced--one of which I posted. Additionally, I used the moving footage from the helicopter as well going frame by frame.

Finally, it is difficult to completely grasp the entirety of the area from the photos I've posted. However, when actually walking the area with an in-depth knowledge of how it looked in 1980 it actually becomes very easy to see how it all fits together and how much erosion has taken place over the last 39 years. The spot I've identified is correct.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 09:09:36 AM by EU »
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

RFK
 

Offline georger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1232
  • Thanked: 186 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4205 on: January 22, 2019, 11:48:40 AM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
The following link is to a piece I wrote regarding my pinpointing the precise Tena Bar money find spot. The piece is on my "DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson" site, however, it does not reference Sheridan at all. I've included old file pictures of Tena Bar, in addition to pictures of Tena Bar I took on January 19, 2019.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Cheers!

Well, if you accept the helo photo as evidence, shown on your site, then yes landmarks from that photo can be compared to known-registered landmarks (buildings) on the Fazio property using USGS photos from 1979-80, and the exact coordinate of your dollar sign Ingram find location can be calculated, quite easily. The lat-long and gps coords of buildings on the Fazio property are known fixed locations in County records. Shutter proved that years ago! In fact Dave's work allowed us to use a 220ft long building on the Fazio estate to serve as a scale for everything else ... in all USGS photos!

But there is an immediate problem. You say the money find was ten feet from the shoreline. The helo photo you site shows the find site was 40-60 feet from the shoreline, which is exactly what traditional commentaries have always claimed. If you accept the helo photo you cite then your find location is 40-60 feet from the water's edge, not 10 feet as you claim ?

Here is a scaled version of the helo photo you are using. Each of those grid segments Dorwin and others scribed was approx 20 feet apart. That provides a scale for the helo photo. No way is the money find at 10 feet from the water line!   

A handful of things.

First, I did not claim that the money find was 10 feet from the water's edge. As it stands today, the money find spot is actually offshore approximately 10 feet. The money find spot was about 40 feet from the edge of the road (which is still there in the appropriate spot), therefore, was about 50 feet from the water's edge in 1980. Moreover, I estimate that in 1971 the money find spot was about 60 feet from the water's edge. This is based off the satellite or high-altitude pictures of Tena Bar that I found. Of course, the assumption is that the river is not unusually high or low in these pictures.

Second, there are only two sections of Tena Bar where the road is "S" shaped. One location is very near the "Tena Bar Member's Only" sign. The other section is near the northern end of the Fazio's property and is near where the money was found. Of note, on the Citizen Sleuths website there is an overlay photo comparing a helicopter shot of the beach being dug up with a contemporary image of an "S" portion of the road. The contemporary picture erroneously features the "S" portion of the road near the Tena Bar Member's Only sign, not the correct portion of the road near the northern property line. I contacted Tom Kaye and pointed this error out to him.

Thirdly, you mentioned the old leaning tree often seen in the background of pictures with Brian and others. I believe that same tree is still there but felled by erosion. In fact, there is a tree that looks quite old and similar, however, I can't be certain it is the exact same tree.

Fourthly, regardless of the Crystal Ingram story or who drove the stake in the ground we can clearly see from footage where the FBI agents unearthed a few small pieces while digging which apparently was the same spot as the bulk find. It is the same spot that is heavily dug up in aerial photos from the helicopter that I've referenced--one of which I posted. Additionally, I used the moving footage from the helicopter as well going frame by frame.

Finally, it is difficult to completely grasp the entirety of the area from the photos I've posted. However, when actually walking the area with an in-depth knowledge of how it looked in 1980 it actually becomes very easy to see how it all fits together and how much erosion has taken place over the last 39 years. The spot I've identified is correct.

Your original post said: "The actual spot is 45° 43’ 06” N, 122° 45’ 33” W. This spot is about 10 feet offshore.[/u]  I guess you meant now, not then! I wish people would say what they mean. The conflict between the Ingrams and the correct site of the find still remains, which is typical of this case. Crystal proved to be correct about her in laws withholding bills. She was in the process of divorcing one of the Ingrams when they all went out to the site to get away from things in Vancouver. It may have been a mistake not to take her out to the site and get her first-hand account there. Ive always had this lingering feeling the Ingrams were 'unreliable' witnesses; for all of their pretenses and games. The newspapers and media documented it all at the time. They used the media to pressure the FBI for a reward. At length they turned to Tosaw to file a lawsuit. 
« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 12:12:15 PM by georger »
 

Offline georger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1232
  • Thanked: 186 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4206 on: January 22, 2019, 02:10:36 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
The following link is to a piece I wrote regarding my pinpointing the precise Tena Bar money find spot. The piece is on my "DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson" site, however, it does not reference Sheridan at all. I've included old file pictures of Tena Bar, in addition to pictures of Tena Bar I took on January 19, 2019.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Cheers!

Well, if you accept the helo photo as evidence, shown on your site, then yes landmarks from that photo can be compared to known-registered landmarks (buildings) on the Fazio property using USGS photos from 1979-80, and the exact coordinate of your dollar sign Ingram find location can be calculated, quite easily. The lat-long and gps coords of buildings on the Fazio property are known fixed locations in County records. Shutter proved that years ago! In fact Dave's work allowed us to use a 220ft long building on the Fazio estate to serve as a scale for everything else ... in all USGS photos!

But there is an immediate problem. You say the money find was ten feet from the shoreline. The helo photo you site shows the find site was 40-60 feet from the shoreline, which is exactly what traditional commentaries have always claimed. If you accept the helo photo you cite then your find location is 40-60 feet from the water's edge, not 10 feet as you claim ?

Here is a scaled version of the helo photo you are using. Each of those grid segments Dorwin and others scribed was approx 20 feet apart. That provides a scale for the helo photo. No way is the money find at 10 feet from the water line!   

A handful of things.

First, I did not claim that the money find was 10 feet from the water's edge. As it stands today, the money find spot is actually offshore approximately 10 feet. The money find spot was about 40 feet from the edge of the road (which is still there in the appropriate spot), therefore, was about 50 feet from the water's edge in 1980. Moreover, I estimate that in 1971 the money find spot was about 60 feet from the water's edge. This is based off the satellite or high-altitude pictures of Tena Bar that I found. Of course, the assumption is that the river is not unusually high or low in these pictures.

Second, there are only two sections of Tena Bar where the road is "S" shaped. One location is very near the "Tena Bar Member's Only" sign. The other section is near the northern end of the Fazio's property and is near where the money was found. Of note, on the Citizen Sleuths website there is an overlay photo comparing a helicopter shot of the beach being dug up with a contemporary image of an "S" portion of the road. The contemporary picture erroneously features the "S" portion of the road near the Tena Bar Member's Only sign, not the correct portion of the road near the northern property line. I contacted Tom Kaye and pointed this error out to him.

Thirdly, you mentioned the old leaning tree often seen in the background of pictures with Brian and others. I believe that same tree is still there but felled by erosion. In fact, there is a tree that looks quite old and similar, however, I can't be certain it is the exact same tree.

Fourthly, regardless of the Crystal Ingram story or who drove the stake in the ground we can clearly see from footage where the FBI agents unearthed a few small pieces while digging which apparently was the same spot as the bulk find. It is the same spot that is heavily dug up in aerial photos from the helicopter that I've referenced--one of which I posted. Additionally, I used the moving footage from the helicopter as well going frame by frame.

Finally, it is difficult to completely grasp the entirety of the area from the photos I've posted. However, when actually walking the area with an in-depth knowledge of how it looked in 1980 it actually becomes very easy to see how it all fits together and how much erosion has taken place over the last 39 years. The spot I've identified is correct.

At your website you say: "on February 11, 1980, the day after the money was discovered, the FBI showed up to ask him (Fazio) to identify whose property a certain spot on the beach was located …

Did Fazio say what time of day this was and what FBI office the agents were from? Was Ingram with them? How had the FBI obtained the location and which FBI office showed up - Portland or Vacouver?
« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 05:21:18 PM by georger »
 

Offline andrade1812

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 449
  • Thanked: 56 times
    • My Website
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4207 on: January 22, 2019, 08:37:50 PM »
Eric, on what basis did you move the money find north? I don't doubt the position of the angled road, the other building, the shoreline road... But why did you assume the money was farther north to begin with? The location appears petitio principii in your article.
 

Offline EU

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 986
  • Thanked: 124 times
    • DB  Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4208 on: January 22, 2019, 11:40:23 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Eric, on what basis did you move the money find north? I don't doubt the position of the angled road, the other building, the shoreline road... But why did you assume the money was farther north to begin with? The location appears petitio principii in your article.

I looked closely at the Cooper Research Team's work regarding the money find spot and it wasn't adding up. Specifically, the footage I studied wasn't aligning properly as it should in my mind. So, as with everything in this case, I decided to take matters into my own hands. I did not pre-suppose an outcome.

It involved quite a lot of study and visiting Tena Bar multiple times before I finally understood how everything lined up. It was then that I decided to notify Tom Kaye and inform him of my findings, and it was at this time that I decided to publish what I discovered.

The money find spot is critically important, especially for those of us who believe that Cooper landed very near Tena Bar on November 24, 1971. Furthermore, if people are still researching the case 100 years from now I want them to have access to accurate information.

I am absolutely certain that I am correct about the money find spot within a very limited tolerance of approximately 20 feet. This is based upon multiple observations involving old footage, the FBI measured marks in the sand, old roads and other landmarks, contemporary images, and me personally walking and filming Tena Bar.

In the end, I hope that this settles once and for all where the money was actually found. The rest, be it dredge spoil spreading, river flow levels, the self-burying or human intervention aspect of the packets found can proceed as usual and be debated ad infinitum. Nonetheless, the money find spot I've identified is where it all began on Tena Bar.
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

RFK
 

Offline georger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1232
  • Thanked: 186 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4209 on: January 22, 2019, 11:45:32 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Eric, on what basis did you move the money find north? I don't doubt the position of the angled road, the other building, the shoreline road... But why did you assume the money was farther north to begin with? The location appears petitio principii in your article.

Translation:

pe·ti·ti·o prin·ci·pi·i
/pəˌtiSHēō prinˈsipēˌī/
nounLogic
noun: petitio principii; plural noun: petitio principiis

    a fallacy in which a conclusion is taken for granted in the premises; begging the question.      ;)

Circular !  :rofl:
« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 11:46:27 PM by georger »
 

Offline EU

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 986
  • Thanked: 124 times
    • DB  Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4210 on: January 22, 2019, 11:45:43 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

At your website you say: "on February 11, 1980, the day after the money was discovered, the FBI showed up to ask him (Fazio) to identify whose property a certain spot on the beach was located …

Did Fazio say what time of day this was and what FBI office the agents were from? Was Ingram with them? How had the FBI obtained the location and which FBI office showed up - Portland or Vacouver?


Simply put Georger, I do not know.

Richard did not tell me what office the FBI agents were from or whether specific individuals were there. He stated that they showed up one day and asked him to identify the property owner with no information given as to why they were interested. He concluded, the next day the cavalry (my words) showed up and told him what was going on. That's it.
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

RFK
 

Offline georger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1232
  • Thanked: 186 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4211 on: January 22, 2019, 11:56:10 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

At your website you say: "on February 11, 1980, the day after the money was discovered, the FBI showed up to ask him (Fazio) to identify whose property a certain spot on the beach was located …

Did Fazio say what time of day this was and what FBI office the agents were from? Was Ingram with them? How had the FBI obtained the location and which FBI office showed up - Portland or Vacouver?


Simply put Georger, I do not know.

Richard did not tell me what office the FBI agents were from or whether specific individuals were there. He stated that they showed up one day and asked him to identify the property owner with no information given as to why they were interested. He concluded, the next day the cavalry (my words) showed up and told him what was going on. That's it.

Thanks Eric. You have broken new ground with this. If he says it was the next day the "cavalry" showed up then he is talking about Monday the 11th.  ;D

Could you call him back and ask him what time of day it was .... and from what office the agents were from  (Portland or Vancouver) if he remembers? Also ask him if some guy named Ingram was with them ?

But, knowing the time of day is important.

« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 11:59:17 PM by georger »
 

Offline EU

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 986
  • Thanked: 124 times
    • DB  Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4212 on: January 22, 2019, 11:58:59 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

At your website you say: "on February 11, 1980, the day after the money was discovered, the FBI showed up to ask him (Fazio) to identify whose property a certain spot on the beach was located …

Did Fazio say what time of day this was and what FBI office the agents were from? Was Ingram with them? How had the FBI obtained the location and which FBI office showed up - Portland or Vacouver?


Simply put Georger, I do not know.

Richard did not tell me what office the FBI agents were from or whether specific individuals were there. He stated that they showed up one day and asked him to identify the property owner with no information given as to why they were interested. He concluded, the next day the cavalry (my words) showed up and told him what was going on. That's it.

Thanks Eric. You have broken new ground with this. If he says it was the next day the "cavalry" showed up then he is talking about Monday the 11th.  ;D

Could you call him back and ask him what time of day it was .... and from what office the agents were from  (Portland or Vancouver) if he remembers? Also ask him if some guy named Ingram was with them ?

I will call him. Obviously I cannot speak for Richard at this time, however, I would be surprised if he remembers that degree of detail.
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

RFK
 

Offline georger

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1232
  • Thanked: 186 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4213 on: January 23, 2019, 12:00:22 AM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

At your website you say: "on February 11, 1980, the day after the money was discovered, the FBI showed up to ask him (Fazio) to identify whose property a certain spot on the beach was located …

Did Fazio say what time of day this was and what FBI office the agents were from? Was Ingram with them? How had the FBI obtained the location and which FBI office showed up - Portland or Vacouver?


Simply put Georger, I do not know.

Richard did not tell me what office the FBI agents were from or whether specific individuals were there. He stated that they showed up one day and asked him to identify the property owner with no information given as to why they were interested. He concluded, the next day the cavalry (my words) showed up and told him what was going on. That's it.

Thanks Eric. You have broken new ground with this. If he says it was the next day the "cavalry" showed up then he is talking about Monday the 11th.  ;D

Could you call him back and ask him what time of day it was .... and from what office the agents were from  (Portland or Vancouver) if he remembers? Also ask him if some guy named Ingram was with them ?

I will call him. Obviously I cannot speak for Richard at this time, however, I would be surprised if he remembers that degree of detail.

He will surely know if it was morning, noon, or night ... one would hope! He's got to be fairly old at this point?

Thanks for the effort!!! 8)
« Last Edit: January 23, 2019, 12:01:08 AM by georger »
 

Offline Kermit

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 306
  • Thanked: 70 times
Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4214 on: January 23, 2019, 01:53:15 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

At your website you say: "on February 11, 1980, the day after the money was discovered, the FBI showed up to ask him (Fazio) to identify whose property a certain spot on the beach was located …

Did Fazio say what time of day this was and what FBI office the agents were from? Was Ingram with them? How had the FBI obtained the location and which FBI office showed up - Portland or Vacouver?


Simply put Georger, I do not know.

Richard did not tell me what office the FBI agents were from or whether specific individuals were there. He stated that they showed up one day and asked him to identify the property owner with no information given as to why they were interested. He concluded, the next day the cavalry (my words) showed up and told him what was going on. That's it.

Thanks Eric. You have broken new ground with this. If he says it was the next day the "cavalry" showed up then he is talking about Monday the 11th.  ;D

Could you call him back and ask him what time of day it was .... and from what office the agents were from  (Portland or Vancouver) if he remembers? Also ask him if some guy named Ingram was with them ?

I will call him. Obviously I cannot speak for Richard at this time, however, I would be surprised if he9 remembers that degree of detail.

He will surely know if it was morning, noon, or night ... one would hope! He's got to be fairly old at this point?

Thanks for the effort!!! 8)

In response to Richard Fazio’s age, I’m reading a newspaper article written by Al Thomas of the Columbian dated June, 2013. Al Thomas states that Richard Fazio is the youngest of the Fazio brothers at 64 years old. So that puts Richard’s age at 69 or 70 depending on his month of birth. In other words he’s just a youngster still ! 😜
 
The following users thanked this post: georger