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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4215 on: September 08, 2019, 08:38:14 PM »
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Nat Loufoque is credited as the author of this book that theorizes E. Howard Hunt was the hijacker. I really enjoyed the book, and I'd like to speak to the author. However, the book appears self published and the only thing I can find with Nat Loufoque attached to it is a YouTube video promoting the book. From the about the author page "Mr Loufoque lives in the Shenandoah Valley, where he works in the IT industry. He does not believe in Bigfoot". The book is well researched and even cites work from Tom Colbert, Geoffrey Gray, and Bruce Smith.

Has anyone here talked to Mr. Loufoque? Read the book?

(Edit: I got an email address!)

Hunt was 5'8-9". No turkey neck. No parachute experience. Very distinct jaw line with jowls. . . .

Georger, I also read Loufoque's book. According to him Hunt got parachuting experience in the OSS, and Hunt's CIA personnel file shows him to be 5' 9 1/2 without shoes, 5' 10 1/2 in shoes. As for the sagging chin and turkey neck, this photo from the same time as the one you posted shows it more clearly.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4216 on: September 08, 2019, 11:44:29 PM »
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Nat Loufoque is credited as the author of this book that theorizes E. Howard Hunt was the hijacker. I really enjoyed the book, and I'd like to speak to the author. However, the book appears self published and the only thing I can find with Nat Loufoque attached to it is a YouTube video promoting the book. From the about the author page "Mr Loufoque lives in the Shenandoah Valley, where he works in the IT industry. He does not believe in Bigfoot". The book is well researched and even cites work from Tom Colbert, Geoffrey Gray, and Bruce Smith.

Has anyone here talked to Mr. Loufoque? Read the book?

(Edit: I got an email address!)

Hunt was 5'8-9". No turkey neck. No parachute experience. Very distinct jaw line with jowls. . . .

Georger, I also read Loufoque's book. According to him Hunt got parachuting experience in the OSS, and Hunt's CIA personnel file shows him to be 5' 9 1/2 without shoes, 5' 10 1/2 in shoes. As for the sagging chin and turkey neck, this photo from the same time as the one you posted shows it more clearly.

if you say so..... ;)
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4217 on: September 09, 2019, 02:37:04 PM »
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Nat Loufoque is credited as the author of this book that theorizes E. Howard Hunt was the hijacker. I really enjoyed the book, and I'd like to speak to the author. However, the book appears self published and the only thing I can find with Nat Loufoque attached to it is a YouTube video promoting the book. From the about the author page "Mr Loufoque lives in the Shenandoah Valley, where he works in the IT industry. He does not believe in Bigfoot". The book is well researched and even cites work from Tom Colbert, Geoffrey Gray, and Bruce Smith.

Has anyone here talked to Mr. Loufoque? Read the book?

(Edit: I got an email address!)

Hunt was 5'8-9". No turkey neck. No parachute experience. Very distinct jaw line with jowls. . . .

Georger, I also read Loufoque's book. According to him Hunt got parachuting experience in the OSS, and Hunt's CIA personnel file shows him to be 5' 9 1/2 without shoes, 5' 10 1/2 in shoes. As for the sagging chin and turkey neck, this photo from the same time as the one you posted shows it more clearly.

if you say so..... ;)

Well, it could be the turkey neck is in the eye of the beholder, but here's another good one...

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4218 on: September 09, 2019, 02:48:34 PM »
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Nat Loufoque is credited as the author of this book that theorizes E. Howard Hunt was the hijacker. I really enjoyed the book, and I'd like to speak to the author. However, the book appears self published and the only thing I can find with Nat Loufoque attached to it is a YouTube video promoting the book. From the about the author page "Mr Loufoque lives in the Shenandoah Valley, where he works in the IT industry. He does not believe in Bigfoot". The book is well researched and even cites work from Tom Colbert, Geoffrey Gray, and Bruce Smith.

Has anyone here talked to Mr. Loufoque? Read the book?

(Edit: I got an email address!)

Hunt was 5'8-9". No turkey neck. No parachute experience. Very distinct jaw line with jowls. . . .

Georger, I also read Loufoque's book. According to him Hunt got parachuting experience in the OSS, and Hunt's CIA personnel file shows him to be 5' 9 1/2 without shoes, 5' 10 1/2 in shoes. As for the sagging chin and turkey neck, this photo from the same time as the one you posted shows it more clearly.

if you say so..... ;)

Well, it could be the turkey neck is in the eye of the beholder, but here's another good one...

So far no FBI doc illustrates or describes the turkey neck claimed. Without that it might as well be a 'turkey butt'. Nobody alive today including GG has the faintest idea what 'turkey neck' meant in concrete terms. What we do have is the original descriptions/sketches which define a cranial-facial type with eye color etc That is all we have. Mucklow and Schaffner gave conflicting impressions and descriptions. It's obvious the FBI wanted an accurate physical description - they even asked the cockpit crew who were forced to say 'we never saw the guy'. What the FBI apparently did not do, or could not do, was resolve conflicts like Schafner's 'Latin' impression. The end result is a confusing series of reports from different people. Turkey neck could be important, or not!     

The system defeats the system!

The Cooper case occurred in 1971 at a time when forensics was in flux and evolving into a very powerful set of tools vs. older established investigative methods. Competence in forensic science varied in different offices. When people make decisions about what to illustrate or not to include in a description, it could have consequences. The decision not to include 'turkey neck' in the original illustrations may have had consequences in this case.     

 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4219 on: September 16, 2019, 05:44:40 PM »
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Nat Loufoque is credited as the author of this book that theorizes E. Howard Hunt was the hijacker. I really enjoyed the book, and I'd like to speak to the author. However, the book appears self published and the only thing I can find with Nat Loufoque attached to it is a YouTube video promoting the book. From the about the author page "Mr Loufoque lives in the Shenandoah Valley, where he works in the IT industry. He does not believe in Bigfoot". The book is well researched and even cites work from Tom Colbert, Geoffrey Gray, and Bruce Smith.

Has anyone here talked to Mr. Loufoque? Read the book?

(Edit: I got an email address!)

Hunt was 5'8-9". No turkey neck. No parachute experience. Very distinct jaw line with jowls. . . .

Georger, I also read Loufoque's book. According to him Hunt got parachuting experience in the OSS, and Hunt's CIA personnel file shows him to be 5' 9 1/2 without shoes, 5' 10 1/2 in shoes. As for the sagging chin and turkey neck, this photo from the same time as the one you posted shows it more clearly.

if you say so..... ;)

Well, it could be the turkey neck is in the eye of the beholder, but here's another good one...
Honestly, I'd have to read the book, but apart from physical description (yawn- pick a Cooper, any Cooper, even the woman and you'll be able to match them up with one or another conflicting witness description), why would the author light on E. Howard Hunt? Hunt was heavily involved, post-CIA, in doing dirty tricks for the Nixon admin. One burglary (with him and G. Gordon Liddy) took place in September 1971, the same month Hunt forged papers and presented them to Life mag indicating Johnson involvement in a Vietnam assassination. He was heavily involved in many activities around that period, so the idea of him suddenly hijacking a plane for money when he had political muscle behind the covert activities that were keeping him busy, and jumping into the wilderness,  putting him out of touch with his superiors for possibly days, makes no sense. Or, if this was part of the dirty tricks biz - what part? He wasn't sneaking around on behalf of a bunch of bedraggled third-world rebels so it doesn't make much sense as a CIA or Mullen op. He may well have had a grudge against the CIA for loss of pension, but he was working post-retirement for the Mullen Co, a CIA front - and lots of people needed money, lots had various grudges. His sons may have guided his addled brain to a deathbed "confession" to involvement in the JFK assassination, but to my knowledge no mention was made of Cooper. Does the author have new information? How did he light on Hunt as his suspect?

I do like that he speculated the white bag contained jump boots. House's description of the bag was approximately the dimensions of a boot box, as I have mentioned before here. Something useful has to have been in that bag, and with at least 2 witnesses to it (I still think the small green bag Tina saw was a different bag entirely, possibly one he had in his pocket or the larger bag), the white bag certainly existed. Radio is the only other large item he might have taken outside of a helmet, though I still don't think even with a radio he would have been able to hook up with an accomplice in the middle of he-didn't-know-where.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4220 on: September 17, 2019, 01:23:56 PM »
Georger wrote: "The system defeats the system!"

Very cogent definition of entropy.

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