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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4965 on: August 13, 2020, 12:35:52 PM »
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I still like the theory that the money was buried at Tena Bar shortly after the jump and was then infected with the diatoms when the Columbia flooded the following spring.

As far as what happened next, it's a "choose your own adventure" story. Maybe Cooper goes back and retrieves the money while accidentally leaving 3 packets behind. Maybe the flood water washes the money away while 3 packets somehow get left behind and Cooper never does find anything upon his return. Maybe the money was not buried there by Cooper but by someone who was in the right place at the right time and found some bundles of cash (or an entire bag of cash) in the woods in the days or weeks after the jump and buried it because they knew what they had found and were understandably a bit paranoid.

Regardless ........

Even with the western flight path, Cooper is not landing on or near Tena Bar. If we're accounting for the northeast wind pushing the placard east, then we have to account for the same wind also pushing a parachuting Cooper east. And even with a flight path that is directly over Tena Bar, Cooper is touching down east of Highway 501 (NW Lower River Road) and likely east of the Lake River as well.

If he begins walking west after landing, he would encounter the Lake River. It's hard to see him crossing that -- in winter and possibly at night -- unless he gets lucky and finds a nearby bridge. Best I can tell, that river is a good 200 feet wide even at it's most narrow point.

He would then have to cross 501 to reach Tena Bar. It seems much more logical that when he reached 501, he would follow it and not just cross over it. After all, the goal is to get out of the wilderness, not further into it. Following the road is a way out. Crossing over it is a way back in.

So the idea of Cooper burying the money at Tena Bar requires him to cross the Lake River and then cross 501, both of which seem like odd things to do. Now granted, Tena Bar is only around 500 feet from Highway 501, and if he were looking for a place to stash money, he may have felt safer (less likely to be seen) doing it at Tena Bar as opposed to next to the road where a passing car might see him. And Tena Bar provides an easy landmark / reference point for him to retrieve it later on.

Further north, the Lake River gets further east of the Columbia, so there's a little more room for him to come down in between the Columbia and the Lake River. And if he finds the Columbia and follows it south, he could arrive at Tena Bar. But that would require crossing over waterways in at least 2-3 different places in order to get to Tena Bar. One (that connects Post Office Lake to the Columbia) looks rather innocent. But another (that connects Campbell Lake to the Columbia) looks a bit more daunting at around 60 feet or so in width. And just north of that is another of similar width.

Again, it seems unlikely that he would be crossing rivers and streams given the circumstances. But I will certainly concede that the notion that he had to take certain risks to get away one way or another.

Bottom line .... the diatom evidence is great, and it helps make a strong argument for the money getting to Tena Bar by human intervention before being exposed to the diatoms the following spring. I just have a hard time getting Cooper from his landing spot to Tena Bar.

I like this post. Finally, someone recognizes the importance of analyzing the location of Tena Bar relative to other places. More to the point, that it is effectively on an island, and therefore, creates a set of hurdles that need to be explained. Well done!

Now let me discuss some of the statements above.

I believe that DBC jumped very near the 8:12 time stamp. Additionally, I believe the jet flew the Western Flight Path as I've described many times. This puts DBC's jump point over the northern end of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge--just south of Woodland and the Lewis River.

After jumping, DBC would have drifted some distance to the northeast. Considering this, I believe he landed on the other side of Lake River--that is to say, on the same side as the railroad tracks.

I believe this means that DBC most likely landed in or very near the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge.

I believe upon landing DBC stashed his parachute along with the dummy reserve that he used to hold some of the ransom.

DBC then would have started to walk south--toward Vancouver. And, in my mind, the railroad tracks make an ideal corridor.

A little south of the town of Ridgefield, DBC would have crossed Lake River--via the only crossing point--utilizing the River "S" Bridge. From there it is merely a matter of walking south on the only road out--Lower River Road--which ultimately brings him right by Tena Bar.

Now DBC, recognizing that he cannot walk into town lugging a 20 pound bag of cash, smartly opts to walk over to the easy-to-dig sandy beach of what is Tena Bar and temporarily buries the ransom. Yes, he digs a hole, lays the white bank bag in it and places the loose packets of twenties--from the dummy reserve--into the hole as well. He then covers the stash and continues south to civilization.

After this, my "Spring Retrieval Theory" picks up.

Plausible. However, that requires Cooper to walk some 8-10 miles with the money before stashing it. It would take him along the western outskirts of Ridgefield (dangerously close to civilization) while still hoarding the money. There are plenty of places along the way for him to stash it, but he decides to wait all the way until he gets to Tena Bar. I would think he would want to stash earlier rather than later.

Quick question ... is there a sign for Tena Bar that is visible from NW Lower River Road? I've seen pictures of the Tena Bar sign that looks to be closer to the shore. But is there a visible marking for it from the road?
 

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« Reply #4966 on: August 13, 2020, 01:28:42 PM »
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Wrapped tightly inside the money bag, the interior cash would have been protected from the elements.

In a no-pull situation, Cooper would have impacted at a speed of about 180 MPH.  At that speed, after impact the money would not be as tightly wrapped as you might think.
Lots of variables there:

The angle he hit
Whether he hit water or land
How securely fastened the bag was

Also, you’re assuming a no-pull when it’s possible he did deeply the chute only to drown after landing in the water.

At 180 MPH, the "angle" doesn't make much difference.  Whether het hit water or land doesn't make much difference either.

How securely the money bag was fastened does make a difference.  But if he landed in the water, how did the money bag get several feet above the tide line for that period of time?

If he deployed and then landed in the Columbia and drowned, he probably would have gone downstream past Tina Bar within a few hours at most.  So by daybreak, he would be downstream of Tina Bar and so would the money bag.  And both would probably be on the west side of the Columbia when they went by Tina Bar.
I’d be interested in seeing your data on th those two points - particularly as to the currents along that area of the Colombia.

Chaucer, what are your specific questions?

 

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« Reply #4967 on: August 13, 2020, 01:29:23 PM »
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Plausible. However, that requires Cooper to walk some 8-10 miles with the money before stashing it. It would take him along the western outskirts of Ridgefield (dangerously close to civilization) while still hoarding the money. There are plenty of places along the way for him to stash it, but he decides to wait all the way until he gets to Tena Bar. I would think he would want to stash earlier rather than later.

Quick question ... is there a sign for Tena Bar that is visible from NW Lower River Road? I've seen pictures of the Tena Bar sign that looks to be closer to the shore. But is there a visible marking for it from the road?

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge he can only walk one direction to exit the area and that is east. The railroad tracks border the Carty Unity on its east side. Therefore, DBC would stumble upon the railroad corridor before hitting Ridgefield itself and naturally head south.

Yes, if he landed in the Carty Unit and buried the cash at Tena Bar he would end up walking about 8 miles before stashing the cash. But this makes sense to me. Here's my point:

If I'm DB Cooper descending from the sky along the western edge of Ridgefield and only a few miles south of Woodland under a large white 28' canopy, my immediate concern is going to be, "Did someone see me coming down?"

With this in mind, I would assume that DBC would want to get the hell out of dodge immediately. After all, he doesn't know if the sheriff is about to arrive with dogs in the next 15 minutes.

Therefore, DBC taking the time to bury the cash at his landing spot--which is hard earth and likely not easy-to-dig sand--seems risky because he may get caught, or perhaps he gets away but the authorities with their dogs sniff out the buried cash.

In my mind, it makes more sense to immediately roll with the cash, avoid town, then when he's relatively certain he's free he can make his way to the sandy shores of the Columbia to temporarily stash the cash before walking into town.

And, no, the Tena Bar sign--in fact, no sign referencing the beach--is visible along Lower River Road in that area.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4968 on: August 13, 2020, 03:42:43 PM »
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Plausible. However, that requires Cooper to walk some 8-10 miles with the money before stashing it. It would take him along the western outskirts of Ridgefield (dangerously close to civilization) while still hoarding the money. There are plenty of places along the way for him to stash it, but he decides to wait all the way until he gets to Tena Bar. I would think he would want to stash earlier rather than later.

Quick question ... is there a sign for Tena Bar that is visible from NW Lower River Road? I've seen pictures of the Tena Bar sign that looks to be closer to the shore. But is there a visible marking for it from the road?

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge he can only walk one direction to exit the area and that is east. The railroad tracks border the Carty Unity on its east side. Therefore, DBC would stumble upon the railroad corridor before hitting Ridgefield itself and naturally head south.

Yes, if he landed in the Carty Unit and buried the cash at Tena Bar he would end up walking about 8 miles before stashing the cash. But this makes sense to me. Here's my point:

If I'm DB Cooper descending from the sky along the western edge of Ridgefield and only a few miles south of Woodland under a large white 28' canopy, my immediate concern is going to be, "Did someone see me coming down?"

With this in mind, I would assume that DBC would want to get the hell out of dodge immediately. After all, he doesn't know if the sheriff is about to arrive with dogs in the next 15 minutes.

Therefore, DBC taking the time to bury the cash at his landing spot--which is hard earth and likely not easy-to-dig sand--seems risky because he may get caught, or perhaps he gets away but the authorities with their dogs sniff out the buried cash.

In my mind, it makes more sense to immediately roll with the cash, avoid town, then when he's relatively certain he's free he can make his way to the sandy shores of the Columbia to temporarily stash the cash before walking into town.

And, no, the Tena Bar sign--in fact, no sign referencing the beach--is visible along Lower River Road in that area.

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ...

Why not a Goodwill dumpster behind the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ranger's cabin? Once again, Cooper's good will nature coming through.

Any evidence Cooper played the trumpet or the saxophone from your research? 

Any Cooper footprints found so far at the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge outhouses? Any Cooper scat with Cooper's dna found so far?

Did Cooper's mother visit the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge looking for her son? What do your sources say? Is Tom Colbert helping you?

Oh! And did DB Cooper undergo reassignment surgery at the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ?

Why are you posting all of this in the Tina Bar Money Find thread?
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« Reply #4969 on: August 13, 2020, 03:59:04 PM »
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Plausible. However, that requires Cooper to walk some 8-10 miles with the money before stashing it. It would take him along the western outskirts of Ridgefield (dangerously close to civilization) while still hoarding the money. There are plenty of places along the way for him to stash it, but he decides to wait all the way until he gets to Tena Bar. I would think he would want to stash earlier rather than later.

Quick question ... is there a sign for Tena Bar that is visible from NW Lower River Road? I've seen pictures of the Tena Bar sign that looks to be closer to the shore. But is there a visible marking for it from the road?

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge he can only walk one direction to exit the area and that is east. The railroad tracks border the Carty Unity on its east side. Therefore, DBC would stumble upon the railroad corridor before hitting Ridgefield itself and naturally head south.

Yes, if he landed in the Carty Unit and buried the cash at Tena Bar he would end up walking about 8 miles before stashing the cash. But this makes sense to me. Here's my point:

If I'm DB Cooper descending from the sky along the western edge of Ridgefield and only a few miles south of Woodland under a large white 28' canopy, my immediate concern is going to be, "Did someone see me coming down?"

With this in mind, I would assume that DBC would want to get the hell out of dodge immediately. After all, he doesn't know if the sheriff is about to arrive with dogs in the next 15 minutes.

Therefore, DBC taking the time to bury the cash at his landing spot--which is hard earth and likely not easy-to-dig sand--seems risky because he may get caught, or perhaps he gets away but the authorities with their dogs sniff out the buried cash.

In my mind, it makes more sense to immediately roll with the cash, avoid town, then when he's relatively certain he's free he can make his way to the sandy shores of the Columbia to temporarily stash the cash before walking into town.

And, no, the Tena Bar sign--in fact, no sign referencing the beach--is visible along Lower River Road in that area.

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ...

Why not a Goodwill dumpster behind the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ranger's cabin? Once again, Cooper's good will nature coming through.

Any evidence Cooper played the trumpet or the saxophone from your research? 

Any Cooper footprints found so far at the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge outhouses? Any Cooper scat with Cooper's dna found so far?

Did Cooper's mother visit the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge looking for her son? What do your sources say? Is Colbert helping you?

Why are you posting all of this in the Tina Bar Money Find thread?

Why do you post anything in any thread?
 

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« Reply #4970 on: August 13, 2020, 04:02:31 PM »
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Plausible. However, that requires Cooper to walk some 8-10 miles with the money before stashing it. It would take him along the western outskirts of Ridgefield (dangerously close to civilization) while still hoarding the money. There are plenty of places along the way for him to stash it, but he decides to wait all the way until he gets to Tena Bar. I would think he would want to stash earlier rather than later.

Quick question ... is there a sign for Tena Bar that is visible from NW Lower River Road? I've seen pictures of the Tena Bar sign that looks to be closer to the shore. But is there a visible marking for it from the road?

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge he can only walk one direction to exit the area and that is east. The railroad tracks border the Carty Unity on its east side. Therefore, DBC would stumble upon the railroad corridor before hitting Ridgefield itself and naturally head south.

Yes, if he landed in the Carty Unit and buried the cash at Tena Bar he would end up walking about 8 miles before stashing the cash. But this makes sense to me. Here's my point:

If I'm DB Cooper descending from the sky along the western edge of Ridgefield and only a few miles south of Woodland under a large white 28' canopy, my immediate concern is going to be, "Did someone see me coming down?"

With this in mind, I would assume that DBC would want to get the hell out of dodge immediately. After all, he doesn't know if the sheriff is about to arrive with dogs in the next 15 minutes.

Therefore, DBC taking the time to bury the cash at his landing spot--which is hard earth and likely not easy-to-dig sand--seems risky because he may get caught, or perhaps he gets away but the authorities with their dogs sniff out the buried cash.

In my mind, it makes more sense to immediately roll with the cash, avoid town, then when he's relatively certain he's free he can make his way to the sandy shores of the Columbia to temporarily stash the cash before walking into town.

And, no, the Tena Bar sign--in fact, no sign referencing the beach--is visible along Lower River Road in that area.

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ...

Why not a Goodwill dumpster behind the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ranger's cabin? Once again, Cooper's good will nature coming through.

Any evidence Cooper played the trumpet or the saxophone from your research? 

Any Cooper footprints found so far at the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge outhouses? Any Cooper scat with Cooper's dna found so far?

Did Cooper's mother visit the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge looking for her son? What do your sources say? Is Colbert helping you?

Why are you posting all of this in the Tina Bar Money Find thread?

Why do you post anything in any thread?

Becauze like you I am a DB Cooper resurcher! I am interested in all makeovers of the Wizard of Oz story! Dont you agree? What will Cooper, the Scarecrow who needs a brain, a Tin Man who wants a heart, and a Cowardly Lion who desperately needs courage, and Dorothy do next in someone's Cooper Theory for TV ?

How's your resurch going? Anything to offer on the DB Cooper case?  News about Cooper scat or Sheridan's life in Tibet - do you know anyone who has lived in Tibet who checked on Sheridan and his wife there? Please tell all. Do you know these guys in Tibet?  Did you asked them to check hospital records on Sheridan and his wife in Tibet - please tell all!

What's your money theory if you have one? Whats a packet vs a bundle? 

How about Kaye's ratio of sodium to calcium in the seasonal diatoms somewhere ? Whats your contribution?  Tell us what year those diatoms represent?
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« Reply #4971 on: August 13, 2020, 04:20:24 PM »
A poem for GEORGER:

Oh what a sad, little, life lived in vain,
when all one does is gossip, preach and complain.
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

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Plausible. However, that requires Cooper to walk some 8-10 miles with the money before stashing it. It would take him along the western outskirts of Ridgefield (dangerously close to civilization) while still hoarding the money. There are plenty of places along the way for him to stash it, but he decides to wait all the way until he gets to Tena Bar. I would think he would want to stash earlier rather than later.

Quick question ... is there a sign for Tena Bar that is visible from NW Lower River Road? I've seen pictures of the Tena Bar sign that looks to be closer to the shore. But is there a visible marking for it from the road?

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge he can only walk one direction to exit the area and that is east. The railroad tracks border the Carty Unity on its east side. Therefore, DBC would stumble upon the railroad corridor before hitting Ridgefield itself and naturally head south.

Yes, if he landed in the Carty Unit and buried the cash at Tena Bar he would end up walking about 8 miles before stashing the cash. But this makes sense to me. Here's my point:

If I'm DB Cooper descending from the sky along the western edge of Ridgefield and only a few miles south of Woodland under a large white 28' canopy, my immediate concern is going to be, "Did someone see me coming down?"

With this in mind, I would assume that DBC would want to get the hell out of dodge immediately. After all, he doesn't know if the sheriff is about to arrive with dogs in the next 15 minutes.

Therefore, DBC taking the time to bury the cash at his landing spot--which is hard earth and likely not easy-to-dig sand--seems risky because he may get caught, or perhaps he gets away but the authorities with their dogs sniff out the buried cash.

In my mind, it makes more sense to immediately roll with the cash, avoid town, then when he's relatively certain he's free he can make his way to the sandy shores of the Columbia to temporarily stash the cash before walking into town.

And, no, the Tena Bar sign--in fact, no sign referencing the beach--is visible along Lower River Road in that area.

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ...

Why not a Goodwill dumpster behind the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ranger's cabin? Once again, Cooper's good will nature coming through.

Any evidence Cooper played the trumpet or the saxophone from your research? 

Any Cooper footprints found so far at the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge outhouses? Any Cooper scat with Cooper's dna found so far?

Did Cooper's mother visit the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge looking for her son? What do your sources say? Is Colbert helping you?

Why are you posting all of this in the Tina Bar Money Find thread?

Why do you post anything in any thread?

Becauze like you I am a DB Cooper resurcher! I am interested in all makeovers of the Wizard of Oz story! Dont you agree? What will Cooper, the Scarecrow who needs a brain, a Tin Man who wants a heart, and a Cowardly Lion who desperately needs courage, and Dorothy do next in someone's Cooper Theory for TV ?

How's your resurch going? Anything to offer on the DB Cooper case?  News about Cooper scat or Sheridan's life in Tibet - do you know anyone who has lived in Tibet who checked on Sheridan and his wife there? Please tell all. Do you know these guys in Tibet?  Did you asked them to check hospital records on Sheridan and his wife in Tibet - please tell all!

What's your money theory if you have one? Whats a packet vs a bundle? 

How about Kaye's ratio of sodium to calcium in the seasonal diatoms somewhere ? Whats your contribution?  Tell us what year those diatoms represent?

You asking someone else about their contribution to the DB Cooper case is beyond laughable. This is deserving of one of your trademark laughing emojis. The only things you ever post are a bunch of rambling nonsense that make no sense to anyone but yourself and contribute exactly nothing to the conversation. I think I speak for everyone here when I say that the forum would be a better place without you. If it were my site, you'd have been banned long ago. The kids table is over there. The adults are trying to have a conversation.
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« Reply #4973 on: August 13, 2020, 05:25:28 PM »
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Plausible. However, that requires Cooper to walk some 8-10 miles with the money before stashing it. It would take him along the western outskirts of Ridgefield (dangerously close to civilization) while still hoarding the money. There are plenty of places along the way for him to stash it, but he decides to wait all the way until he gets to Tena Bar. I would think he would want to stash earlier rather than later.

Quick question ... is there a sign for Tena Bar that is visible from NW Lower River Road? I've seen pictures of the Tena Bar sign that looks to be closer to the shore. But is there a visible marking for it from the road?

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge he can only walk one direction to exit the area and that is east. The railroad tracks border the Carty Unity on its east side. Therefore, DBC would stumble upon the railroad corridor before hitting Ridgefield itself and naturally head south.

Yes, if he landed in the Carty Unit and buried the cash at Tena Bar he would end up walking about 8 miles before stashing the cash. But this makes sense to me. Here's my point:

If I'm DB Cooper descending from the sky along the western edge of Ridgefield and only a few miles south of Woodland under a large white 28' canopy, my immediate concern is going to be, "Did someone see me coming down?"

With this in mind, I would assume that DBC would want to get the hell out of dodge immediately. After all, he doesn't know if the sheriff is about to arrive with dogs in the next 15 minutes.

Therefore, DBC taking the time to bury the cash at his landing spot--which is hard earth and likely not easy-to-dig sand--seems risky because he may get caught, or perhaps he gets away but the authorities with their dogs sniff out the buried cash.

In my mind, it makes more sense to immediately roll with the cash, avoid town, then when he's relatively certain he's free he can make his way to the sandy shores of the Columbia to temporarily stash the cash before walking into town.

And, no, the Tena Bar sign--in fact, no sign referencing the beach--is visible along Lower River Road in that area.

If DBC landed in the Carty Unit of the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ...

Why not a Goodwill dumpster behind the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge ranger's cabin? Once again, Cooper's good will nature coming through.

Any evidence Cooper played the trumpet or the saxophone from your research? 

Any Cooper footprints found so far at the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge outhouses? Any Cooper scat with Cooper's dna found so far?

Did Cooper's mother visit the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge looking for her son? What do your sources say? Is Colbert helping you?

Why are you posting all of this in the Tina Bar Money Find thread?

Why do you post anything in any thread?

Becauze like you I am a DB Cooper resurcher! I am interested in all makeovers of the Wizard of Oz story! Dont you agree? What will Cooper, the Scarecrow who needs a brain, a Tin Man who wants a heart, and a Cowardly Lion who desperately needs courage, and Dorothy do next in someone's Cooper Theory for TV ?

How's your resurch going? Anything to offer on the DB Cooper case?  News about Cooper scat or Sheridan's life in Tibet - do you know anyone who has lived in Tibet who checked on Sheridan and his wife there? Please tell all. Do you know these guys in Tibet?  Did you asked them to check hospital records on Sheridan and his wife in Tibet - please tell all!

What's your money theory if you have one? Whats a packet vs a bundle? 

How about Kaye's ratio of sodium to calcium in the seasonal diatoms somewhere ? Whats your contribution?  Tell us what year those diatoms represent?

You asking someone else about their contribution to the DB Cooper case is beyond laughable. This is deserving of one of your trademark laughing emojis. The only things you ever post are a bunch of rambling nonsense that make no sense to anyone but yourself and contribute exactly nothing to the conversation. I think I speak for everyone here when I say that the forum would be a better place without you. If it were my site, you'd have been banned long ago. The kids table is over there. The adults are trying to have a conversation.

1 You dont speak for EVERYONE!
2. Eric's stuff is rambling nonsense with no relationship to reality.

Pure bunk meant to attract a tv audience ... I guess. Just one more version of Colbert nonsense including the audience of defending admirers.

Give Cooperland a rest from this incessant hair-on-fire the sky is falling bullshit!  We went through years of this shit with Colbert; now here we are all over again.

This is moronic to the extreme. 

Cheers!  :congrats:
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« Reply #4974 on: August 13, 2020, 05:26:32 PM »
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A poem for GEORGER:

Oh what a sad, little, life lived in vain,
when all one does is gossip, preach and complain.

speak for yourself. A poem?  :rofl:   Look the word up.

I surmise you picked up the Sheridan story because it was an easy 'appropriation', with provenance. A made-for-medoa story with legs you could appropriate once  its first proponent died. Sheridan never claimed to be DB Cooper. He never said he was. He even submitted to interviews with the FBI and gave dna to prove he wasn't! Then Sailshaw dies, you come along, and viola! you now are a Sheridan proponent out of thin air. Easy grab in the high stakes holdem world! Free cards and an edge.  Except Sheridan actually did live in Tibet, he was an actual Vietnam vet who went to Tibet, he has a real story there ... so people were simply asked to check Sheridan's story out including the birth of his child in a hospital ... and here you are intimidating me about this! Accusations but no answers from you! Go read the thread at Dropzone. You picked a looser.  ;D 

And your Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge story is another looser.

You dont seem to get anything right. Oh well . . .
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« Reply #4975 on: August 13, 2020, 05:50:09 PM »
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A poem for GEORGER:

Oh what a sad, little, life lived in vain,
when all one does is gossip, preach and complain.

speak for yourself. A poem?  :rofl:   Look the word up.

I am speaking for myself...I wrote it.
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

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Even with the western flight path, Cooper is not landing on or near Tena Bar.


With the Western Flight Path, Cooper could have landed practically on Tena Bar if he was a no-pull.

Correct. But no pull means no money burial by Cooper.

Now, if Cooper no-pulled then the money could have come to rest on or near Tena Bar. Someone may have found it and buried it there themselves and the theory of burying the money in '71 and having it exposed to diatoms in '72 could still hold true. Certainly another possibility.

In a no-pull situation, no human intervention is needed for the money to get to Tina Bar and be buried under a few inches of sand.

True, but I think it's likely that if Cooper cratered where the money was found, some evidence of Cooper would have been found. After all, Tena Bar was a fishing / picnic / hangout spot. Some trace of Cooper would have been found if he just nosedived into the sand right there.

There are plenty of places on Caterpillar Island where if Cooper had cratered he wouldn't have been found until the following spring, if ever.  And the spring run offs move quite a bit of sand around and quite possibly could have covered Cooper skeletal remains as well as moved the money bag down to Tina Bar. 

And as I have pointed out for about the last 10 years, the money bag would be moving down hill when it arrived at Tina Bar.  And it is also possible that whatever remained of Cooper moved with it.  After the packets of bills came out of the bag, ever thing else could have continued on down stream.


But what about the chute and the briefcase bomb. You'd think after all these years one of those things would turn up?
 

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Wrapped tightly inside the money bag, the interior cash would have been protected from the elements.

In a no-pull situation, Cooper would have impacted at a speed of about 180 MPH.  At that speed, after impact the money would not be as tightly wrapped as you might think.
Lots of variables there:

The angle he hit
Whether he hit water or land
How securely fastened the bag was

Also, you’re assuming a no-pull when it’s possible he did deeply the chute only to drown after landing in the water.

At 180 MPH, the "angle" doesn't make much difference.  Whether het hit water or land doesn't make much difference either.

How securely the money bag was fastened does make a difference.  But if he landed in the water, how did the money bag get several feet above the tide line for that period of time?

If he deployed and then landed in the Columbia and drowned, he probably would have gone downstream past Tina Bar within a few hours at most.  So by daybreak, he would be downstream of Tina Bar and so would the money bag.  And both would probably be on the west side of the Columbia when they went by Tina Bar.
I’d be interested in seeing your data on th those two points - particularly as to the currents along that area of the Colombia.

Chaucer, what are your specific questions?
Specifically, your data and evidence as it relates to the currents in that part of the Columbia. You seem quite sure that debris only goes around the west side of Caterpillar Island and any debris south of that could never ever end up on Tena Bar. I’d like your source on that.

I’m not challenging you. I’m just curious.

Re: georger

Some of you act like entitled millennials who have never been told you’re wrong ever in your life. Georger might be indelicate at times, but at least he is willing to call out BS when he smells it. Some of you need to grow up and accept the fact that if you are going to share a theory, you might be told it’s wrong and/or stupid. It’s part of the deal.
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author=RaoulDuke24 link=topic=4.msg35382#msg35382 date=15972511

Even with the western flight path, Cooper is not landing on or near Tena Bar.


With the Western Flight Path, Cooper could have landed practically on Tena Bar if he was a no-pull.

Correct. But no pull means no money burial by Cooper.

Now, if Cooper no-pulled then the money could have come to rest on or near Tena Bar. Someone may have found it and buried it there themselves and the theory of burying the money in '71 and having it exposed to diatoms in '72 could still hold true. Certainly another possibility.

In a no-pull situation, no human intervention is needed for the money to get to Tina Bar and be buried under a few inches of sand.

True, but I think it's likely that if Cooper cratered where the money was found, some evidence of Cooper would have been found. After all, Tena Bar was a fishing / picnic / hangout spot. Some trace of Cooper would have been found if he just nosedived into the sand right there.

There are plenty of places on Caterpillar Island where if Cooper had cratered he wouldn't have been found until the following spring, if ever.  And the spring run offs move quite a bit of sand around and quite possibly could have covered Cooper skeletal remains as well as moved the money bag down to Tina Bar. 

And as I have pointed out for about the last 10 years, the money bag would be moving down hill when it arrived at Tina Bar.  And it is also possible that whatever remained of Cooper moved with it.  After the packets of bills came out of the bag, ever thing else could have continued on down stream.


But what about the chute and the briefcase bomb. You'd think after all these years one of those things would turn up?

If Cooper was a no-pull, the chute is probably with some of his mortal remains if he landed on solid ground and they weren't dislodged by subsequent water flow.  The money bag was obviously dislodged and moved downstream to Tina Bar and points north.
 

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Wrapped tightly inside the money bag, the interior cash would have been protected from the elements.

In a no-pull situation, Cooper would have impacted at a speed of about 180 MPH.  At that speed, after impact the money would not be as tightly wrapped as you might think.
Lots of variables there:

The angle he hit
Whether he hit water or land
How securely fastened the bag was

Also, you’re assuming a no-pull when it’s possible he did deeply the chute only to drown after landing in the water.

At 180 MPH, the "angle" doesn't make much difference.  Whether het hit water or land doesn't make much difference either.

How securely the money bag was fastened does make a difference.  But if he landed in the water, how did the money bag get several feet above the tide line for that period of time?

If he deployed and then landed in the Columbia and drowned, he probably would have gone downstream past Tina Bar within a few hours at most.  So by daybreak, he would be downstream of Tina Bar and so would the money bag.  And both would probably be on the west side of the Columbia when they went by Tina Bar.
I’d be interested in seeing your data on th those two points - particularly as to the currents along that area of the Colombia.

Chaucer, what are your specific questions?
Specifically, your data and evidence as it relates to the currents in that part of the Columbia. You seem quite sure that debris only goes around the west side of Caterpillar Island and any debris south of that could never ever end up on Tena Bar. I’d like your source on that.

I’m not challenging you. I’m just curious.

Re: georger

Some of you act like entitled millennials who have never been told you’re wrong ever in your life. Georger might be indelicate at times, but at least he is willing to call out BS when he smells it. Some of you need to grow up and accept the fact that if you are going to share a theory, you might be told it’s wrong and/or stupid. It’s part of the deal.

Oh, my!  Chaucer, I believe that you have described yourself as an academic and I think Georger views himself as one as well.  As academics, I suspect that neither of you like to be told that you are full of shit.  Nevertheless, I will do so when the situation warrants it.  And I also suspect that both of you are much more likely to have an "entitled millennial" viewpoint that myself.  As you point out, it's part of the deal.

To respond to your original question, which is basically why does debris end up on the west side of the Columbia when making the turn to the north, we need to understand some very fundamental physics. 

How does the river turn to the north in the first place?  Basically, the river turns to the north because the west bank turns to the north.  It is as simple as that.  The river water just doesn't hang a right turn because it wants to.  It is forced to turn because it can't go further west.  And it can't just stop in its tracks since it is moving downhill.  So the river water follows the line of least resistance and goes north.

The debris is going to go with the flow and the fastest flow will be on the west side of the Columbia.  The 40 foot deep shipping channel is on the west side of the Columbia and that means that the largest volume of the river water is on the west side.  It would take some unusual activity for the debris to move from the west side of the Columbia to Tina Bar in the relatively short distance from the turn north to Tina Bar.

And so it goes.