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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

Author Topic: Tina Bar Money Find  (Read 424533 times)

Offline Kermit

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4350 on: July 06, 2019, 10:20:37 PM »
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Did flood water ever spill(for lack of a better term) from the Fazios side down the embankment and into the river?

Let me reply to this and to several other posts at the same time.  In 2013, Meyer Louie and I spent a day at Tina Bar and thoroughly checked out the embankment area between Tina Bar and the Fazio property.

A fellow named "Jon" (I don't know his last name but he had the keys to the Tina Bar gate) told us that he had visited Tina Bar on almost a daily basis for the previous 50 years.  He pointed to a railroad tie that was embedded in the embankment between the river and the Fazio dairy containment pit and said that it represented the highest water level that he had ever seen at Tina Bar.  There was no way to measure its elevation from the river water level, but my guess is that the railroad tie was at least 20 feet above the river surface or about 20 to 25 feet above sea level.  The railroad tie was also about two or three feet below the top of the embankment.

Jon also told us that he had never seen any river water flow onto the Fazio property at Tina Bar or seen any flow from the Fazio property into the river.  Meyer and I checked the Tina Bar area as best we could including going over the containment pit, which was dry, with metal detectors.

The FBI appears to have checked the area for some distance from the water's edge.  I do not know of anything that would suggest that their search was not comprehensive.  But it might have been a good idea to check along the water's edge further upstream and downstream from the money find location than they actually did.

To repeat, it appears that the bill packets and fragments were found relatively close to the water's edge and that nothing was found further away.
Your Fisherman is telling a story that is NOT backed up by facts ! Ask “ Jon “ your fisherman where he was during the Christmas flood of 1964 or the “ Pineapple Express flood of 1996 “ ! I lived there and both those floods exceeded 27 ft. The Vanport flood exceeded 31 feet in 1948 and yes I hate to admit I witnessed that one also. I count at least 6 floods since 1964 that exceeded 21 feet so where was Jon during those floods ? My point is that facts dispute Jon’s story.

Jon said that he had never seen water from the river going into the containment area of the Fazio property or vice-versa.  The numerical elevations mentioned are my eyeball estimates as stated in that post.

What are the numbers you mentioned relative to?  Are they feet above sea level?  Are they simply a reading on a gage somewhere?  Where were they measured?

The Columbia is considered at flood stage when it hits 16 foot at Port of Vancouver. In 1996 and 1964 it was over 27 feet on the gauge which is a whooping 11 plus feet above flood stage. Trust me this river is not friendly and I doubt any fisherman were fishing during these floods ! JMHO

Is the gage you are referring to the one on the north side of the river and a few hundred feet east of I-5?  Also, I have never said that Jon or anyone else was fishing during a flood event.

It is amazing how simple statements gain unfounded claims during the translation.
Yes that is the correct gage ! Nowhere did I say you said anything about Jon fishing during a flood event ! I SIMPLY made note that I’m pretty sure Jon wasn’t fishing at Tina Bar during any of these floods ! DUH ! So how would he know how high the river went up Tina Bar if he wasn’t there ? Pretty obvious to me that when the river at 27 feet and over 11 feet above the agreed flood stage that Most of Tina Bar is covered ! If you think otherwise...... you are entitled to your opinion !  Fishermen are known to tell tall tales or haven’t you heard ? 🤣

Jon could have been at Tina Bar and not fishing.  I didn't see him doing any fishing in 2013.  Also, I have been to Tina Bar and haven't done any fishing there or elsewhere.

Come on Robert ! Are you trying to just argue ? Jon said he went to Tina Bar almost every day for the last 50 years.
Obviously he didn’t and how many years were you there ? The river flooded over Tina Bar many times since 1971 and you and everybody who ever lived in Oregon or Washington knows it ! Lighten up ! Jon is just someone who was there. His story doesn’t mean it’s factual.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4351 on: July 06, 2019, 11:37:15 PM »
What was the full name of the hydrologist? Does he have any writings we can reference?
 

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« Reply #4352 on: July 06, 2019, 11:54:02 PM »
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What was the full name of the hydrologist? Does he have any writings we can reference?

Robt Nicholson is your one stop source for all Cooper and Money Find info. Or Tom Kaye. Or Robert M Blevins, Galen Cook, and Bruce Smith who have the Palmer report. 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4353 on: July 06, 2019, 11:59:56 PM »
For the record, I do not have a copy of the Palmer Report. However, Galen does.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4354 on: July 07, 2019, 12:04:04 AM »
So do I beg? Or...
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4355 on: July 07, 2019, 12:15:55 AM »
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So do I beg? Or...

JEFFREY B. BRADLEY, Hydraulic Engineer, U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, Portland District, telephone 221-6446
 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4356 on: July 07, 2019, 12:16:51 AM »
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For the record, I do not have a copy of the Palmer Report. However, Galen does.

Correction: Galen says he does. Have you seen it?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4357 on: July 07, 2019, 12:26:19 AM »
Before I call him, can anyone tell me if they've tried to contact him? Or spoken with him at all?
 

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« Reply #4358 on: July 07, 2019, 12:27:19 AM »
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Before I call him, can anyone tell me if they've tried to contact him? Or spoken with him at all?

I havent. Is he alive?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4359 on: July 07, 2019, 12:31:08 AM »
I think it's the same guy, runs a big consulting firm now:

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« Reply #4360 on: July 07, 2019, 12:32:18 AM »
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I think it's the same guy, runs a big consulting firm now:

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He probably is published: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
 

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« Reply #4361 on: July 07, 2019, 12:45:54 AM »
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I think it's the same guy, runs a big consulting firm now:

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This could be very interesting.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4362 on: July 07, 2019, 12:52:12 AM »
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What was the full name of the hydrologist? Does he have any writings we can reference?

Robt Nicholson is your one stop source for all Cooper and Money Find info. Or Tom Kaye. Or Robert M Blevins, Galen Cook, and Bruce Smith who have the Palmer report.

What Georger is saying is that the people named above know everything knowable about the Cooper hijacking and that Georger knows the rest.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4363 on: July 20, 2019, 02:40:10 PM »
Be advised:  Latest FLYJACK revision: No.459

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Lets wait 24 hrs and see what the next energy drink recipe cooks up! The wheel? Fire? Day vs Night? Counting! ?   

 
Guess his first 495 analyseez were a guess, or incomplete, or wrong!  :rofl:  Take this problemo to Mobile Lube No.1! They get things done right the first time!

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4364 on: August 31, 2019, 09:01:45 PM »
I added a new feature on my site that enables you to view Tena Bar and the money find spot over the years (1979, 1978, 1974, 1970, 1968 and 1955).

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