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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4185 on: November 28, 2018, 11:58:42 AM »
I have a theory.

The money that DBC received measured 11" X 12" X 6 1/2". This means that the volume it occupied was 858 cubic inches as a block with no dead space.

The ransom was delivered in a canvas bank bag. I believe it was actually a canvas bank bag typically used to carry coins. There appears to be four standard size canvas bank bags, the largest being 14" X 28" (The ransom would have to have been delivered in the largest bag because the others are too small). This means that when stretched out to it's optimal volume it can accommodate roughly 1360 cubic inches. The latter is an estimate based upon my working with a similar bag.

This means that once the money was placed in the bag there was at best no more than 500 cubic inches of unused space left at the top. This will equate to approximately 8" of bag protruding above the top of the ransom pile. Furthermore, the diameter of the bag at the top is roughly 8 1/2".

What this means is that if one attempts to cinch the top of the bag at the top with it full of the ransom there is no more than 4" of material to cinch. This is not enough to securely cinch the top of the bag. Therefore, Cooper had to remove some of the packets of twenties so that additional space was created and the bag could be properly cinched at the top with the shroud lines.

I believe it makes sense that these "removed" packets of twenties were then crammed into the dummy reserve. I spoke with 377 about this and he believes that there would be enough room to cram in some packets, although not many.

Perhaps--upon landing near Tena Bar--DBC buried the cinched-up canvas bank bag and placed the extra packets in the hole with the bank bag after extracting them from the dummy reserve. This would explain why some of the packets were separated from the bank bag. Then upon retrieval of the ransom, presumably at night, perhaps those separated packets--or at least three of them-- were left behind and reburied only to be unearthed eight years later.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4186 on: November 28, 2018, 12:10:21 PM »
He could have used his pockets...

Would Cooper have tied the money bag and tied the full dummy chest chute to himself for few packets? There weren't D rings to properly attach.


If he emptied the dummy, why toss the contents.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4187 on: November 28, 2018, 12:42:46 PM »
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He could have used his pockets...

Would Cooper have tied the money bag and tied the full dummy chest chute to himself for few packets? There weren't D rings to properly attach.


If he emptied the dummy, why toss the contents.

Sure, he could have used his pockets. That said, we know he tried putting at least some of the ransom in a reserve. Makes sense that he stuck with his plan and put some of it in the reserve.

I do not believe he merely threw the dummy reserve out. After all, it's never been found. And, it would have been easier and safer to just leave it on the jet. In my mind he took the dummy reserve for a reason...securing a small portion of the ransom makes sense.

The contents of the dummy remained in the dummy. Why? Because if he removed them...which would have involved a lot of additional effort and cutting...it would then mean the dummy reserve had too much space inside. In fact, the bundles would have been tumbling around. Again, it makes sense to cram in a few packets (3,4, 8...whatever) into the dummy reserve. Also, the shroud lines in the dummy could have been used to repel from a tree if DBC landed in a tree (Sheridan discusses this in his book).
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4188 on: November 28, 2018, 01:40:09 PM »
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He could have used his pockets...

Would Cooper have tied the money bag and tied the full dummy chest chute to himself for few packets? There weren't D rings to properly attach.


If he emptied the dummy, why toss the contents.

Sure, he could have used his pockets. That said, we know he tried putting at least some of the ransom in a reserve. Makes sense that he stuck with his plan and put some of it in the reserve.

I do not believe he merely threw the dummy reserve out. After all, it's never been found. And, it would have been easier and safer to just leave it on the jet. In my mind he took the dummy reserve for a reason...securing a small portion of the ransom makes sense.

The contents of the dummy remained in the dummy. Why? Because if he removed them...which would have involved a lot of additional effort and cutting...it would then mean the dummy reserve had too much space inside. In fact, the bundles would have been tumbling around. Again, it makes sense to cram in a few packets (3,4, 8...whatever) into the dummy reserve. Also, the shroud lines in the dummy could have been used to repel from a tree if DBC landed in a tree (Sheridan discusses this in his book).

Anything is possible, it seems like too much work to tie the full dummy reserve on for a few packets of money that could be carried in pockets.  None of it makes sense, unless the FBI is holding back some info...
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4189 on: November 28, 2018, 01:43:17 PM »
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He could have used his pockets...

Would Cooper have tied the money bag and tied the full dummy chest chute to himself for few packets? There weren't D rings to properly attach.


If he emptied the dummy, why toss the contents.

Sure, he could have used his pockets. That said, we know he tried putting at least some of the ransom in a reserve. Makes sense that he stuck with his plan and put some of it in the reserve.

I do not believe he merely threw the dummy reserve out. After all, it's never been found. And, it would have been easier and safer to just leave it on the jet. In my mind he took the dummy reserve for a reason...securing a small portion of the ransom makes sense.

The contents of the dummy remained in the dummy. Why? Because if he removed them...which would have involved a lot of additional effort and cutting...it would then mean the dummy reserve had too much space inside. In fact, the bundles would have been tumbling around. Again, it makes sense to cram in a few packets (3,4, 8...whatever) into the dummy reserve. Also, the shroud lines in the dummy could have been used to repel from a tree if DBC landed in a tree (Sheridan discusses this in his book).

Anything is possible, it seems like too much work to tie the full dummy reserve on for a few packets of money that could be carried in pockets.  None of it makes sense, unless the FBI is holding back some info...

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