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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4170 on: October 17, 2018, 07:26:18 PM »
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for them to deterimine the order, they would have needed the microfiched to be in portland in between the day of the find and the press conference. That was only 2 days? The microfiche was not in Portland then. There are records of where the microfiche was shipped to. If you believe the FBI had a memo with the in-order serials to Cooper, that were available to Portland, and they carefully took apart the bundles..well I don't think so. The pictures of the bills at the press conference still had some in "bricks"..yes more than 3, because they took it apart a little, but not fully.

Everything said in 1980 is wrong.

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Anything the FBI said in 1980 is wrong. You saw my snippet above that the FBI sent out that said the money was in the same order as delivered to Cooper? There is no way they determined that. They also claimed it was in the same packaging. Also said a logical idea was that it floated down streams. All wrong.

Anything said in 1980 is wrong.

I am sure the FBI got many things wrong but you can't assume everything is wrong..

The FBI had the original micro and re-ordered it in alpha numeric for distribution. They would have had the original order and could have checked the bills against it.

They don't need the actual micro. They would have had to have made/processed an original list before re-ordering for distribution.

Rubber band frags were found attached, if the ransom "bundles" (groups of packets) were bound in rubber bands then the "packaging" is consistent.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4171 on: October 18, 2018, 09:02:50 AM »
I just moved a lot of comments to the Flight Path...stay on topic..I'm not going to start any new threads if we can't stay on topic with the one's we have now..
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4172 on: November 12, 2018, 01:19:26 PM »
I just spoke with Richard Fazio and will be meeting him on the morning of Friday, November 23rd to walk Tena Bar.

Obviously the precise spot where the money was found is no longer there, however, he said he can point out the spot as it exists today. Needless to say, given that he is very familiar with Tena, his recollection of the spot will be very important and carry a lot of weight. I will also try to clarify the "shard field" and other questions.

I must say, I'm really looking forward to this face-to-face meeting on Tena Bar.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4173 on: November 12, 2018, 02:21:51 PM »
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I just spoke with Richard Fazio and will be meeting him on the morning of Friday, November 23rd to walk Tena Bar.

Obviously the precise spot where the money was found is no longer there, however, he said he can point out the spot as it exists today. Needless to say, given that he is very familiar with Tena, his recollection of the spot will be very important and carry a lot of weight. I will also try to clarify the "shard field" and other questions.

I must say, I'm really looking forward to this face-to-face meeting on Tena Bar.

Fazio was not there when the money was found! Work on the beach had already started by the time Fazio went down to see agents working the beach. Fazio can only show you where a stake had been driven marking where Ingram showed agents the money was found.

We have been over this before ad nauseum!!!!!     

Believe what you want to believe. It is obvious you are not interested in the facts and are going to spin this in any event! Good luck.  :o

Have Tom tell us who drove the stake at the claimed money find site?

Has Tom ever finally talked to Dorwin Schreuder or is he still avoiding Schreuder all these years later?   :rofl:
« Last Edit: November 12, 2018, 02:43:24 PM by georger »
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4174 on: November 12, 2018, 02:48:23 PM »
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I just spoke with Richard Fazio and will be meeting him on the morning of Friday, November 23rd to walk Tena Bar.

Obviously the precise spot where the money was found is no longer there, however, he said he can point out the spot as it exists today. Needless to say, given that he is very familiar with Tena, his recollection of the spot will be very important and carry a lot of weight. I will also try to clarify the "shard field" and other questions.

I must say, I'm really looking forward to this face-to-face meeting on Tena Bar.

Fazio was not there when the money was found! Work on the beach had already started by the time Fazio went down to see agents working the beach. Fazio can only show you where a stake had been driven marking where Ingram showed agents the money was found.

We have been over this before ad nauseum!!!!!     

Believe what you want to believe. It is obvious you are not interested in the facts and are going to spin this in any event! Good luck.  :o

Have Tom tell us who drove the stake at the claimed money find site?

Has Tom ever finally talked to Dorwin Schreuder or is he still avoiding Schreuder all these years later?   :rofl:

So, let me get this straight:

1) The Ingrams find the money.

2) The Ingrams show the FBI the spot where they found the money.

3) The FBI drives a stake into the ground denoting the spot where the money was found.

4) Richard Fazio sees the stake, denoting the spot where the money was found.

5) Richard Fazio shows EU the spot, where he saw the stake, denoting the spot where the money was found.

What the hell am I missing? Is this nitpicking nonsense really necessary? What is your point? Are you suggesting that the stake was not the actual spot? Is there some sort of conspiracy afoot related to the spot, the stake, Richard Fazio and EU?

This is really getting very tiring.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4175 on: November 12, 2018, 03:06:22 PM »
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I just spoke with Richard Fazio and will be meeting him on the morning of Friday, November 23rd to walk Tena Bar.

Obviously the precise spot where the money was found is no longer there, however, he said he can point out the spot as it exists today. Needless to say, given that he is very familiar with Tena, his recollection of the spot will be very important and carry a lot of weight. I will also try to clarify the "shard field" and other questions.

I must say, I'm really looking forward to this face-to-face meeting on Tena Bar.

Fazio was not there when the money was found! Work on the beach had already started by the time Fazio went down to see agents working the beach. Fazio can only show you where a stake had been driven marking where Ingram showed agents the money was found.

We have been over this before ad nauseum!!!!!     

Believe what you want to believe. It is obvious you are not interested in the facts and are going to spin this in any event! Good luck.  :o

Have Tom tell us who drove the stake at the claimed money find site?

Has Tom ever finally talked to Dorwin Schreuder or is he still avoiding Schreuder all these years later?   :rofl:

So, let me get this straight:

1) The Ingrams find the money.

2) The Ingrams show the FBI the spot where they found the money.

3) The FBI drives a stake into the ground denoting the spot where the money was found.

4) Richard Fazio sees the stake, denoting the spot where the money was found.

5) Richard Fazio shows EU the spot, where he saw the stake, denoting the spot where the money was found.

What the hell am I missing? Is this nitpicking nonsense really necessary? What is your point? Are you suggesting that the stake was not the actual spot? Is there some sort of conspiracy afoot related to the spot, the stake, Richard Fazio and EU?

This is really getting very tiring.

Read the thread.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4176 on: November 12, 2018, 09:32:17 PM »
I'm looking forward to hearing what Richard Fazio has to say about the money find and dig. When I was there, his brother Al did most of the talking, and Richard only came out of the shadows later in the interview.

Al was late to the party, as Georger has noted. But was Richard? Regardless, their perspective is part of the T-Bar story.

I'm glad to hear they are still entertaining requests for visits and chats from folks like us.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4177 on: November 12, 2018, 11:17:35 PM »
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I'm looking forward to hearing what Richard Fazio has to say about the money find and dig. When I was there, his brother Al did most of the talking, and Richard only came out of the shadows later in the interview.

Al was late to the party, as Georger has noted. But was Richard? Regardless, their perspective is part of the T-Bar story.

I'm glad to hear they are still entertaining requests for visits and chats from folks like us.

Ask the Faxio how tall Crystal Ingram was?

Ask him who drove the stake at the Ingram site?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4178 on: November 13, 2018, 01:38:47 AM »
All this fuss about some rotting twenties and nothing about the alien mutilated cattle at T. Bar?
Get you priorities straight folks  ;)

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4179 on: November 13, 2018, 01:50:59 AM »
Speaking with Richard about the specifics of the money find is important. However, there is another issue that we need to address at some point, and that is the cattle mutilations in 1991 on the Fazio property.

I talked at length with both Al and Richard about this subject, and Richard has a file on it.

Now, cattle mutilation is a tricky topic. The cops poo-poohed it - Clark County Sheriff's, specifically - and said it was a satanic cult thingy. The vets from the Oregon State University said it was advanced surgery performed with instrumentation that only the top-notch hospitals would utilize, and never in the field.

The last time we talked about it, our fellow Internet sleuths at the DZ came up with numerous other sites in SW WA and Oregon where cattle mutilations had occurred in close proximity to the 1991 date at the Fazios.

So, what is going on? This is where we need to step up our investigation. The leading investigator of cattle mutilations is former NBC TV reporter Linda Moulton Howe. She has written a book on cattle mutilations, called Strange Harvest, which is a good read and I recommend it.

Moulton Howe currently says that the cattle mutilations are carried out by rogue governmental operatives using back-engineered technology from extraterrestrials - including the full array of devices - the hovering UFO craft, blue tractor-beams, and the necessary surgical instrumentation - all designed to scare the bejeesus out of everybody. Or more likely to discredit those who look into the phenomenon - a super-duper Fake News scenario.

Supporting Moulton Howe's theories is Dr. Steven Greer, who is the author and primary spokesperson for the Disclosure Project, the effort to get the government to 'fess up to the UFO stuff. Greer has a lot to say about cattle mutilations, the how and why they are conducted, and by whom.

Richard Fazio told me that he and Al didn't want Linda Moulton Howe and her team of researchers to investigate the mutilations on Lower River Rd because they had had enough with the TV crews and guys like EU and me. So, they kept it quiet.

But when Galen was spending summers with Richard Tosaw, they built a trusting relationship with Richard and Al. A few years ago the Fazios told Galen about the cattle mutilations, and Galen told me. When I met with Al and Richard in 2011, they confirmed the story that Galen had told me, and they showed me their file. It confirmed the surgical cuts of selected body parts, such a pieces of jaw bone, eyes and other sensory organs, and some genitalia.

So, is there a link to this phenomenon and DB Cooper? Maybe, but with two mysteries in one place it's tough to not make a connection. But even if it's a misdirection and a MF, what would be the motivation by powerful people to muddy the waters of T-Bar?

EU, I hope you can get Richard and Al to be our guests at the V-23 on Friday.... it's time for a beer....

... and possibly a consult with Linda Moulton Howe and Dr. Steven Greer.
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« Reply #4180 on: November 13, 2018, 02:18:25 AM »
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Speaking with Richard about the specifics of the money find is important. However, there is another issue that we need to address at some point, and that is the cattle mutilations in 1991 on the Fazio property.

I talked at length with both Al and Richard about this subject, and Richard has a file on it.

Now, cattle mutilation is a tricky topic. The cops poo-poohed it - Clark County Sheriff's, specifically - and said it was a satanic cult thingy. The vets from the Oregon State University said it was advanced surgery performed with instrumentation that only the top-notch hospitals would utilize, and never in the field.

The last time we talked about it, our fellow Internet sleuths at the DZ came up with numerous other sites in SW WA and Oregon where cattle mutilations had occurred in close proximity to the 1991 date at the Fazios.

So, what is going on? This is where we need to step up our investigation. The leading investigator of cattle mutilations is former NBC TV reporter Linda Moulton Howe. She has written a book on cattle mutilations, called Strange Harvest, which is a good read and I recommend it.

Moulton Howe currently says that the cattle mutilations are carried out by rogue governmental operatives using back-engineered technology from extraterrestrials - including the full array of devices - the hovering UFO craft, blue tractor-beams, and the necessary surgical instrumentation - all designed to scare the bejeesus out of everybody. Or more likely to discredit those who look into the phenomenon - a super-duper Fake News scenario.

Supporting Moulton Howe's theories is Dr. Steven Greer, who is the author and primary spokesperson for the Disclosure Project, the effort to get the government to 'fess up to the UFO stuff. Greer has a lot to say about cattle mutilations, the how and why they are conducted, and by whom.

Richard Fazio told me that he and Al didn't want Linda Moulton Howe and her team of researchers to investigate the mutilations on Lower River Rd because they had had enough with the TV crews and guys like EU and me. So, they kept it quiet.

But when Galen was spending summers with Richard Tosaw, they built a trusting relationship with Richard and Al. A few years ago the Fazios told Galen about the cattle mutilations, and Galen told me. When I met with Al and Richard in 2011, they confirmed the story that Galen had told me, and they showed me their file. It confirmed the surgical cuts of selected body parts, such a pieces of jaw bone, eyes and other sensory organs, and some genitalia.

So, is there a link to this phenomenon and DB Cooper? Maybe, but with two mysteries in one place it's tough to not make a connection. But even if it's a misdirection and a MF, what would be the motivation by powerful people to muddy the waters of T-Bar?

EU, I hope you can get Richard and Al to be our guests at the V-23 on Friday.... it's time for a beer....

... and possibly a consult with Linda Moulton Howe and Dr. Steven Greer.

Ask the Faxio what bank bands are.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4181 on: November 13, 2018, 02:36:43 PM »
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I'm looking forward to hearing what Richard Fazio has to say about the money find and dig. When I was there, his brother Al did most of the talking, and Richard only came out of the shadows later in the interview.

Al was late to the party, as Georger has noted. But was Richard? Regardless, their perspective is part of the T-Bar story.

I'm glad to hear they are still entertaining requests for visits and chats from folks like us.

It is nice Bruce. They haven't gone the Himmelsbach route where you have to pay a fee to speak with him about NORJAK. Jerry Thomas got me a free pass with Himmelsbach who was very interesting to talk with. Ralph never boasts about his flying skills or experience but he flew P 51 Mustangs in the military which to me was very impressive.  My main reason in wanting to speak with him was to see what his opinion was about Tosaw's claim that Cooper pulled and read packing cards from the rigs. Ralph said there was no evidence to support Tosaw's claim.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4182 on: November 13, 2018, 09:37:44 PM »
Ralph is very much a southern-style gentleman. Maybe we can take a spin down to his old homestead - the Moorish manor with the causeway and moat.... It's impressive.

I've grown to appreciate his monetary demands as Hollywood can be cruel, abusive even in their expectation of time and availability without any compensation.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4183 on: November 14, 2018, 01:48:44 PM »
If the money was intentionally buried at Tina Bar, why wasn't a letter buried with it?  :)
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4184 on: November 14, 2018, 03:17:17 PM »
georger, that's obvious.
A letter WAS buried with the money.
But: like the currency straps (bank bands), the letter decomposed faster and more completely away, relative to the money.

Cooper's soiled underwear was also buried with the money..Same result.


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If the money was intentionally buried at Tina Bar, why wasn't a letter buried with it?  :)
 
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