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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3690 on: January 12, 2018, 06:26:34 PM »
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I was referring to the condition of the bills...  they are consistent with sand abrasion and tidal/water action over some time.

Okay, but the sand would have to have penetrated between the bills and "sanded" the bands out completely while leaving the bill faces not only intact but looking pretty good.  What would have removed the bands from between the bills then?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3691 on: January 12, 2018, 07:25:06 PM »
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I was referring to the condition of the bills...  they are consistent with sand abrasion and tidal/water action over some time.

Okay, but the sand would have to have penetrated between the bills and "sanded" the bands out completely while leaving the bill faces not only intact but looking pretty good.  What would have removed the bands from between the bills then?

The packages separated, Ingrams claimed the rubber bands were around all packages?
 

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« Reply #3692 on: January 12, 2018, 07:46:15 PM »
I'll throw something out there that I ran across recently..

I was watching video interview with the Treasury Department about mutilated currency and its "recovery".

They showed termite damage and it looks very similar to many of the Cooper bills, those holes look exactly like termite damage.

That got me thinking, what if the money was stashed in an attic, garage or similar environment for years and termites got to it in its original bundle form, leaving the rubber bands preserved and intact but eating away the money.

The money discovered severely damaged couldn't be used or sent to Treasury as damaged for replacement. It was rendered useless and discarded ending up on TBAR enduring some further erosion and chard dispersion.

I found that the Portland area does have invasive house termites and they love to eat paper..

This is a bill eaten by termites, but a tight bundle may produce more damage at the edges..

Circular holes are indicative of termite damage.





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« Reply #3693 on: January 12, 2018, 07:59:00 PM »
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The packages separated, Ingrams claimed the rubber bands were around all packages?

That seems to be something nobody knows - see, even Georger had to guess at this the other day. He guesses they were on top of the bundles only.  There has to be a better source for the rubber band info other than "they were still on and crumbled to the touch."

Anybody reading this have a source of where the rubber bands were on the bundles? Tops, sides, some on each packet, some around all the bills as one bundle?

Flyjack, the reason why I haven't given the abrasion angle much weight is the rubber bands still being attached. Yes, as Georger pointed out, the bundles have an oval shape and so do rocks in a stream. But these did not have a 3-D oval shape. They started off with six sides. The four edges were weathered; the "front" and "back" billface sides were not attacked like the edges were. If they were tumbling down a stream or water was flowing over and knocking matter off of the bills, it would have knocked matter off of the billfaces, too. That includes the rubber bands. If the rubber bands were still in place during the proposed downriver journey, they would have shielded the portion of the bills directly beneath them from damage. They did not. And if they didn't, the rubber bands would have gotten scrubbed off by the river. They did not. It was even wear all around. Ovals. Rubber bands were still there in some capacity.

That plus Tom Kaye's test that shows that a bundle of money in water fans out, plus the absence of detectable diatoms tells me the Cooper cash wasn't in a river at all.  That's why I started digging into reasons to cut the bills other than planting them to be found.
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« Reply #3694 on: January 12, 2018, 08:01:09 PM »
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I'll throw something out there that I ran across recently..

I was watching video interview with the Treasury Department about mutilated currency and its "recovery".

They showed termite damage and it looks very similar to many of the Cooper bills, those holes look exactly like termite damage.

That got me thinking, what if the money was stashed in an attic, garage or similar environment for years and termites got to it in its original bundle form, leaving the rubber bands preserved and intact but eating away the money.

The money discovered severely damaged couldn't be used or sent to Treasury as damaged for replacement. It was rendered useless and discarded ending up on TBAR enduring some further erosion and chard dispersion.

I found that the Portland area does have invasive house termites and they love to eat paper..

This is a bill eaten by termites, but a tight bundle may produce more damage at the edges..

Circular holes are indicative of termite damage.


Outstanding work!  :bravo:

What is that last photo of the Hundred?  Also termites?
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« Reply #3695 on: January 12, 2018, 08:19:51 PM »
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I'll throw something out there that I ran across recently..

I was watching video interview with the Treasury Department about mutilated currency and its "recovery".

They showed termite damage and it looks very similar to many of the Cooper bills, those holes look exactly like termite damage.

That got me thinking, what if the money was stashed in an attic, garage or similar environment for years and termites got to it in its original bundle form, leaving the rubber bands preserved and intact but eating away the money.

The money discovered severely damaged couldn't be used or sent to Treasury as damaged for replacement. It was rendered useless and discarded ending up on TBAR enduring some further erosion and chard dispersion.

I found that the Portland area does have invasive house termites and they love to eat paper..

This is a bill eaten by termites, but a tight bundle may produce more damage at the edges..

Circular holes are indicative of termite damage.


Outstanding work!  :bravo:

What is that last photo of the Hundred?  Also termites?

Bundle eaten by termites..

3 types of termites in Portland area..

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currency stashed eaten by termites aka "white ants"

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3696 on: January 12, 2018, 08:56:13 PM »
Why were the Ingram’s on the beach in February?  Why would they be on Any beach in February in the Pacific Northwest.   And the boy just happened to be digging in that one spot?  That’s some coincidence.  Lol!  Has anyone checked the Ingram’s phone records from the Fall of ‘71?
 

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« Reply #3697 on: January 12, 2018, 09:02:32 PM »
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Why were the Ingram’s on the beach in February?  Why would they be on Any beach in February in the Pacific Northwest.   And the boy just happened to be digging in that one spot?  That’s some coincidence.  Lol!  Has anyone checked the Ingram’s phone records from the Fall of ‘71?

They lived not too far away and were running their dog.. they claim. Too cold for a picnic.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3698 on: January 12, 2018, 10:02:30 PM »
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Why were the Ingram’s on the beach in February?  Why would they be on Any beach in February in the Pacific Northwest.   And the boy just happened to be digging in that one spot?  That’s some coincidence.  Lol!  Has anyone checked the Ingram’s phone records from the Fall of ‘71?

I believe the high for the day was in the mid to upper 40's. Cold, but not freezing, especially if you're outdoorsy.  Yeah, lots of people have thought what you're thinking out loud.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3699 on: January 12, 2018, 11:33:15 PM »
Overwhelmed by you guys -

Read the thread.   :chr2:


Let us know when you have a new solution or theory that will stay fixed for more than 2 minutes.



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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3700 on: January 13, 2018, 12:04:56 AM »
Thats actually a great discovery 098907 Cooper money was eaten by termites.

Did you and Galen's team detect Methane on the Cooper bills - from the termite digestive process? Can you see methane on the Cooper bills? Methane gas gives Uranus a greenish blue color. Did Tina smell methane on Cooper? 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3701 on: January 13, 2018, 01:25:35 AM »
You know, you're right. I'm just wasting my time here. After all, the case was solved a decade ago. It says so right here:

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« Reply #3702 on: January 13, 2018, 01:44:15 AM »
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You know, you're right. I'm just wasting my time here. After all, the case was solved a decade ago. It says so right here:

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Keep taking yourself seriously -  :conspiracy:
 

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« Reply #3703 on: January 13, 2018, 01:50:31 AM »
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Keep taking yourself seriously -  :conspiracy:

Your dumb ass still hasn't answered my last few questions to you, and now this?  I smell methane every time you talk, gramps.
 

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« Reply #3704 on: January 13, 2018, 01:58:43 AM »
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One of the agents excavating described how when they were raking they uncovered what at first appeared as a 'piece of driftwood' - but on examination it turned out to be a soft 'fist sized' clump of rotted money. This has been referenced before. As here:

"One article states that the money "looked like a piece of driftwood" - and had young Ingram offering it up to Dad as firewood before they realized what it was. Another article addresses further searches in the area found fragments and an FBI agent says he found a "fist-size clump of wadded up $20 bills" that appeared like driftwood." (Smokin99 DZ)

Lots of people were seeing lots of driftwoods. Little driftwoods and bigger driftwoods. All planted like seeds on the beach. Perhaps directed by the Cooper Cartel with Farmer's Almanac in hand.  ;)

Would you mind pointing to those fist-sized clumps? I'm having a hard time seeing them here in the FBI's fragment snuff boxes: