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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #90 on: October 04, 2015, 03:22:36 AM »
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Where do you come with this: used that guy as their technical expert for 40 years ???

They consulted the guy, many times. Various agents but also many others consulted the guy. Just like many have consulted JT over the years! That doesn't make Cossey their sole technical expert for 40 years  !  They consulted lots of others also. I dont recall anyone ever saying officially Cossey was used that guy as their technical expert for 40 years. Like so many things Bruce, I think you have overworked this.
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The FBI referred me to Cossey when the Amboy chute issue arose. Specifically, when I asked the PIO about the chute, she replied, "That's something you should ask Earl Cossey about."

That really put Coss front and center in the Norjak case as a technical expert on parachutes. Perhaps I should have added "for parachutes" in the earlier characterization.

Remember, too, that GG has presented numerous FBI documents that show the major role Cossey played in the investigations every since the early days. First, he advised the feds that they needn't look for a champion skydiver, then went into the "no-pull" crater guy a few years later. Ckret made many references to Cossey, and told us he loved him so much that he "...could have talked with him (Cossey) all day."
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #91 on: October 04, 2015, 02:43:13 PM »
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Where do you come with this: used that guy as their technical expert for 40 years ???

They consulted the guy, many times. Various agents but also many others consulted the guy. Just like many have consulted JT over the years! That doesn't make Cossey their sole technical expert for 40 years  !  They consulted lots of others also. I dont recall anyone ever saying officially Cossey was used that guy as their technical expert for 40 years. Like so many things Bruce, I think you have overworked this.
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The FBI referred me to Cossey when the Amboy chute issue arose. Specifically, when I asked the PIO about the chute, she replied, "That's something you should ask Earl Cossey about."

That really put Coss front and center in the Norjak case as a technical expert on parachutes. Perhaps I should have added "for parachutes" in the earlier characterization.

Remember, too, that GG has presented numerous FBI documents that show the major role Cossey played in the investigations every since the early days. First, he advised the feds that they needn't look for a champion skydiver, then went into the "no-pull" crater guy a few years later. Ckret made many references to Cossey, and told us he loved him so much that he "...could have talked with him (Cossey) all day."

You must learn the difference between 'appearances' and 'reality', Bruce!  :)

To suggest that Cossey was the sole authority or source on parachutes for the Seattle FBI, is a strong statement.

So many innuendos, so much promotion, too much conflicting data .... so little time. And of course 'GG' is front and center in your arguments again.  God knows: GG is the source for everthang and all true information in the cosmos!   :) :) :) It's amazing anyone can get their pants on without consulting you and/or 'GG'. Who is the FBI source for zippers?   :o

Or is this just one more episode in the endless TV saga: "Survivor Bullshit" ! ?  :-X
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #92 on: October 04, 2015, 02:46:30 PM »
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4. Reno, fingerprints

- Who conducted the fingerprint search aboard 305 on November 24, 1971 Unknown
- What was obtained in that search? Various non passenger prints with no hits in FBI print database.
- Why weren't the “In-flight” magazines gathered into evidence? FBI psych profilers concluded that skyjackers would not read them. FBI profilers are always right.

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Geoffrey Grey posted a picture of an in-flight mag with fingerprint from the files so we can probably assume that at least one in-flight mag was gathered.... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login and, on dz, 
Larry Carr (ckret)  said that they got prints off of the magazines..." No fingerprints from the airstairs, in fact no fingerprints recovered from the airplane during the first evidence sweep proved to be of comparison value. On a second sweep some magazines were located in the area of where Cooper had been. These were processed and a few latents were recovered that are of value. "
Whether they ever actually prove to be of value or not is anyone's guess but someone at some point thought they were worth keeping....

Can we see this 'picture of...' or is it for 'GG's' eyes only?  ;D
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #93 on: October 04, 2015, 03:40:26 PM »
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You must learn the difference between 'appearances' and 'reality', Bruce!  :)

To suggest that Cossey was the sole authority or source on parachutes for the Seattle FBI, is a strong statement.

So many innuendos, so much promotion, too much conflicting data .... so little time. And of course 'GG' is front and center in your arguments again.  God knows: GG is the source for everthang and all true information in the cosmos!   :) :) :) It's amazing anyone can get their pants on without consulting you and/or 'GG'. Who is the FBI source for zippers?   :o

Or is this just one more episode in the endless TV saga: "Survivor Bullshit" ! ?  :-X


Georger, you seem to enjoy putting words into my mouth, or taking my words and expanding them to outrageous heights. I've never claimed that Cossey was the sole expert on parachutes for the FBI. I have said that he was their key expert, a major player in the Norjak investigation, and one that they touted to me and other journalists.

The most important factor, in my view, is how and why the FBI seemed to follow Cossey's turn-around from DB Cooper was a smart and competent skydiver to a jerk.

BTW: You haven't answered my question: Would you trust a guy who says he sent the parachutes to the wrong airport?

Do you?
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #94 on: October 04, 2015, 03:53:05 PM »
Me and GG:

Ever since GG gave me the wrong telephone number for Bill Mitchell, I hold his words with a great deal of circumspection.

Plus, there are a few other things about GG and Norjak that I question, such as the release of his book during Marla Week, and her surprise appearance at the 2011 Symposium.

But he does provide a lot of information that I don't have access to, so...

BTW: I thought you thought that I was too intimate with Galen!  Now, it's GG?
 

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« Reply #95 on: October 04, 2015, 11:44:55 PM »
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You must learn the difference between 'appearances' and 'reality', Bruce!  :)

To suggest that Cossey was the sole authority or source on parachutes for the Seattle FBI, is a strong statement.

So many innuendos, so much promotion, too much conflicting data .... so little time. And of course 'GG' is front and center in your arguments again.  God knows: GG is the source for everthang and all true information in the cosmos!   :) :) :) It's amazing anyone can get their pants on without consulting you and/or 'GG'. Who is the FBI source for zippers?   :o

Or is this just one more episode in the endless TV saga: "Survivor Bullshit" ! ?  :-X


Georger, you seem to enjoy putting words into my mouth, or taking my words and expanding them to outrageous heights. I've never claimed that Cossey was the sole expert on parachutes for the FBI. I have said that he was their key expert, a major player in the Norjak investigation, and one that they touted to me and other journalists.

The most important factor, in my view, is how and why the FBI seemed to follow Cossey's turn-around from DB Cooper was a smart and competent skydiver to a jerk.

BTW: You haven't answered my question: Would you trust a guy who says he sent the parachutes to the wrong airport?

Do you?

I've never claimed that Cossey was the sole expert on parachutes for the FBI. I have said that he was their key expert

Sole? Key? Your words - not mine.  :D
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #96 on: October 05, 2015, 03:16:25 AM »
Okay, Georger, it's time for you to put words in your mouth - tell us what you think of Cossey. Did he own the chutes? Why did the FBI bring him into the investigation? How deeply was he involved? Why do you think Coss flip-flopped on Cooper?
 

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« Reply #97 on: October 05, 2015, 04:59:03 AM »
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Okay, Georger, it's time for you to put words in your mouth - tell us what you think of Cossey. Did he own the chutes? Why did the FBI bring him into the investigation? How deeply was he involved? Why do you think Coss flip-flopped on Cooper?

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #99 on: October 05, 2015, 01:11:24 PM »
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I think Cossey is just a centerpiece for the chute part of the crime. they seem to have trusted him, so they continued to use his advice over the years. to me, it's just an unsolved case. it's riddled with mistakes, but I doubt any type of damaging coverup is involved.

Agree with highlighted text. I am drawn to NORJACK conspiracy theories just as I am drawn to alien UFO and  paranormal stories, but I don't believe in either.

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #100 on: October 05, 2015, 01:23:12 PM »
Cossey is a puzzle. He knew a LOT about parachutes but he has been nailed on some inaccuracies and some outright untruths. He apparently liked playing with people, leading them down the rabbit hole. He was kind of a "wise guy".

Its funny that Cossey, I and the FBI all make a big deal about Cooper's chute choice, as if it indicated an informed decision. There were two main chutes. Cooper had to pick one. It could have been completely random choice that had nothing to do with the technical suitability of the chute for the jump. No doubt in my mind that the C-9 was the right chute for the jump, it is the pit bull of all personnel canopies, but it could have just been a random selection.

I've tried to get in touch with Sheridan with a known good email address and text number, but he completely ignores me. He is far too intelligent to really believe that I am "CIA/FBI" which he has written in the past. Guess our only hope is to take a clue from the FBI and send a beautiful woman to interview him.

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #101 on: October 05, 2015, 08:41:17 PM »
Perhaps you should focus your energies on making contact with Nicole Deveraux and convincing her to make another trip to Santa Rosa.

How about knocking on his door with a bottle of wine in hand?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #102 on: October 05, 2015, 08:48:38 PM »
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Cossey is a puzzle. He knew a LOT about parachutes but he has been nailed on some inaccuracies and some outright untruths. He apparently liked playing with people, leading them down the rabbit hole. He was kind of a "wise guy".

Its funny that Cossey, I and the FBI all make a big deal about Cooper's chute choice, as if it indicated an informed decision. There were two main chutes. Cooper had to pick one. It could have been completely random choice that had nothing to do with the technical suitability of the chute for the jump. No doubt in my mind that the C-9 was the right chute for the jump, it is the pit bull of all personnel canopies, but it could have just been a random selection.

Yup, I agree the chute choice could have just been a random one.

As for a conspiracy to cover-up Norjak, I proceed as if both possibilities - it's a cover-up, OR, it's not, and just a string of mistakes common to most LE undertakings - are VERY possible. I think it is important to continue to look at Cossey, the ground search, missing evidence, etc. through the lens of a cover-up to see if anything comes into sharper focus.

To maintain a posture that the FBI could never hoodwink us, so they didn't, is not helpful in my view.

Besides, don't you want to know how your tax dollars are spent? :)
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #103 on: October 05, 2015, 09:02:55 PM »
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I think Cossey is just a centerpiece for the chute part of the crime. they seem to have trusted him, so they continued to use his advice over the years. to me, it's just an unsolved case. it's riddled with mistakes, but I doubt any type of damaging coverup is involved.

Agree with highlighted text. I am drawn to NORJACK conspiracy theories just as I am drawn to alien UFO and  paranormal stories, but I don't believe in either.

377

UFOs and the Paranormal are like Cooper, aren't they. Lots of theories, lots of accounts, lots of really kooky people, and lots of really WEIRD stuff happening.

But again, my response is the same - let's record what people are saying, verify what we can, and then ponder - speculating why someone would do what has been done. 

IE:

1. Why would Cossey lie?
2. Why would beings with highly advanced surgical technology leave seven cattle carcasses lying in the Fazios' fields? Didn't their mothers ever tell them to clean up their mess when they were done? (Some ETs are very rude!)
3. Why would the FBI need to cover-up the Cooper case? Who benefits?
4. Why would the US military need to cover-up dramatic instances of encounters with ETs, crafts, and phenomena - such as deactivating the nukes in N Dakota (reportedly...)?

So, I keep digging, wondering, writing...and cashing my royalty checks. $122 last week!  Whoo-Hoo!!
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #104 on: October 05, 2015, 11:46:29 PM »
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I think Cossey is just a centerpiece for the chute part of the crime. they seem to have trusted him, so they continued to use his advice over the years. to me, it's just an unsolved case. it's riddled with mistakes, but I doubt any type of damaging coverup is involved.

Agree with highlighted text. I am drawn to NORJACK conspiracy theories just as I am drawn to alien UFO and  paranormal stories, but I don't believe in either.

377

UFOs and the Paranormal are like Cooper, aren't they. Lots of theories, lots of accounts, lots of really kooky people, and lots of really WEIRD stuff happening.

But again, my response is the same - let's record what people are saying, verify what we can, and then ponder - speculating why someone would do what has been done. 

IE:

1. Why would Cossey lie?
2. Why would beings with highly advanced surgical technology leave seven cattle carcasses lying in the Fazios' fields? Didn't their mothers ever tell them to clean up their mess when they were done? (Some ETs are very rude!)
3. Why would the FBI need to cover-up the Cooper case? Who benefits?
4. Why would the US military need to cover-up dramatic instances of encounters with ETs, crafts, and phenomena - such as deactivating the nukes in N Dakota (reportedly...)?

So, I keep digging, wondering, writing...and cashing my royalty checks. $122 last week!  Whoo-Hoo!!

All off-topic nonsense.