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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #60 on: August 24, 2015, 10:19:08 AM »
Shutter:  You say"I don't know sailshaw, I'm not sold on the letters coming from Cooper. I would tend to think he would sign them by Dan Cooper...

I say:   Letter #3 made me change my mind that the letters were really from Sheridan Peterson/Cooper because the salutation was his mantra when he stayed at my home for one month. "The system that beats the system".

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« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2015, 03:16:58 PM »
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If Cooper was that careful about leaving evidence behind the butts would have been retrieved as well as the cup he drank from. I'm sure he had no clue that the future could get him with those items. with the exception of the tie, I think that he left with everything he entered the plane with. the notes, briefcase, went out the back of the plane with, or without him at some point in time. when and where seems to be the best evidence yet to be found!

Mr. Blevins claims to give it to you straight from the source? perhaps he's right. it comes straight from him!

Yes. He asks for his note back then turns around and leaves other important evidence! Contradiction in terms. Likewise, given the amount of time he spent on the time, his total activity over a wide area of the plane, he would have had to be very careful not to leave evidence because by the end when he bails he would have had to mop up his evidence from a large area - almost impossible. Cooper seems to be kind of myopic in his perspective? He is covering some of his tracks but not others over a wide area. A kind of myopic perfectionist ?

Frankly, from a forensic point of view the man is a SLOB! But, this was 1971, not today. He had a much wider latitude to operate in in 1971 vs. in today's forensic-computer universe. It's strange he would ask for his note back while leaving his cigarette butts and his prints? Did he fear somebody recognizing his hand writing or the paper?

Maybe in a similar way Blevins fears being recognized as the "source" of everything her says!? Weird is as Weird does!

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #62 on: August 24, 2015, 05:35:58 PM »
Georger is right about 1971, no criminals of that era were worried about leaving DNA evidence. They sweated leaving fingerprints and blood samples, but not DNA.

I have strong doubts that the FBI has really lost the cig butts. I can think of some compelling reasons for them to have Cooper (if he is still alive) think that they have no conclusive DNA evidence that links him to the crime.

The tie DNA source is believed to be Cooper, but there is no hard evidence that proves it. Also, the FBI says it is partial and therefore can only exclude a suspect not place him on the plane with certainty.

So Cooper might think he is fairly safe. The FBI's negligent loss of potentially exculpatory evidence (the butts) dooms a prosecution unless there is other compelling evidence such as fingerprints.

I have dealt with the FBI while defending criminal cases. They are not idiots, far from it actually. Back then quite a few FBI SAs were lawyers. They were careful about preserving evidence and documenting the chain of custody. They knew the evidence handling protocol and followed it. They knew the consequences of contaminating or losing evidence and the effect it could have on their careers.

Failure to collect evidence is not nearly as damaging to a prosecution as is taking the evidence and then losing it.

Sure, the butts could have been lost but I have this nagging hunch that says they still have them.

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #63 on: August 24, 2015, 05:39:01 PM »
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Frankly, from a forensic point of view the man is a SLOB! But, this was 1971, not today.

It brings up that pesky question about the dummy chute. he didn't care about the tie, or the other back chute, but decides to throw out the dummy chute? it appear he left behind things of no matter to him, or to the coppers and took the things he felt was important. functional chutes, the briefcase (perhaps loaded with his prints all over it) the notes, and the money then off into the wild dark yonder  :D

Maybe he opened the briefcase tossing the contents out....I don't know?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #64 on: August 24, 2015, 05:43:15 PM »
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documenting the chain of custody.

I believe that would be a good reason they didn't accept Lyle's DNA sample. they broke the chain of custody. he doesn't make any sense. he said the FBI told him not to send the DNA, and yet he brings it to them, then claims to ask them why they didn't accept it when he got back home? they couldn't explain while he was there?


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Sure, the butts could have been lost but I have this nagging hunch that says they still have them.

what would be the benefit of concealing this? it might be a good move if they were chasing a guy who would end up actually doing hard time for the crime. I doubt he would go back to jail after bailing out, oops, I mean bonding out  ;D :D ;)
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #65 on: August 24, 2015, 06:49:38 PM »
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documenting the chain of custody.

I believe that would be a good reason they didn't accept Lyle's DNA sample. they broke the chain of custody. he doesn't make any sense. he said the FBI told him not to send the DNA, and yet he brings it to them, then claims to ask them why they didn't accept it when he got back home? they couldn't explain while he was there?


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Sure, the butts could have been lost but I have this nagging hunch that says they still have them.


what would be the benefit of concealing this? it might be a good move if they were chasing a guy who would end up actually doing hard time for the crime. I doubt he would go back to jail after bailing out, oops, I mean bonding out  ;D :D ;)

Sometimes law enforcement will withhold a key piece of evidence so that they have a way to check whether a suspect was really at the scene of the crime. Perhaps there is something about the butts that serves this purpose. Maybe they were not the brand or type (filter vs non filter) the FBI has publicly stated they were. Who knows?

If they really lost the butts and have no other conclusive physical evidence then an accused Cooper could win dismissal based on prosecutorial misconduct. namely failure to preserve potentially exculpatory evidence.

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #66 on: August 24, 2015, 06:57:38 PM »
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Shutter:  You say"I don't know sailshaw, I'm not sold on the letters coming from Cooper. I would tend to think he would sign them by Dan Cooper...

I say:   Letter #3 made me change my mind that the letters were really from Sheridan Peterson/Cooper because the salutation was his mantra when he stayed at my home for one month. "The system that beats the system".

Bob Sailshaw

I still marvel at Al Di's sleuthing the source of the letters' magazine cutouts. Who is Al Di? Could he have possibly have been the author of the letters?

The cutout that says "The system that beats the system" was not pieced together from individual diversely located  words but was clipped in its entirety from a KLH stereo ad in Playboy magazine. Might have just caught the author's eye rather than have been a phrase he had used previously in speaking (which Sailshaw refers to as Sheridan Peterson's "mantra").

Sooner or later we will be reading Sheridan's obituary. Sure wish he could be interviewed.

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #67 on: August 24, 2015, 07:17:37 PM »
It's highly possible he thought the quote look, and sounded good. I'm not sold that it meant anything. I've had some people poking around trying to find out who Aldi is. something was noticed by them, but nothing has been confirmed. I have a name, but I'm not sold as to it being Aldi.
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #68 on: August 24, 2015, 10:05:30 PM »
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Sometimes law enforcement will withhold a key piece of evidence so that they have a way to check whether a suspect was really at the scene of the crime.

I agree, but again, I think it's too late in the game for that. the testing was done decades after the fact. today, yes. 30 some years later with holding new evidence back, I'm not so sure, but possible I guess....I think they already had things in place with holding parts back. they would be adding to them?

I believe all the flight data did a Houdini as well  :(
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #69 on: August 24, 2015, 11:40:24 PM »
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Shutter:  You say"I don't know sailshaw, I'm not sold on the letters coming from Cooper. I would tend to think he would sign them by Dan Cooper...

I say:   Letter #3 made me change my mind that the letters were really from Sheridan Peterson/Cooper because the salutation was his mantra when he stayed at my home for one month. "The system that beats the system".

Bob Sailshaw

I still marvel at Al Di's sleuthing the source of the letters' magazine cutouts. Who is Al Di? Could he have possibly have been the author of the letters?

The cutout that says "The system that beats the system" was not pieced together from individual diversely located  words but was clipped in its entirety from a KLH stereo ad in Playboy magazine. Might have just caught the author's eye rather than have been a phrase he had used previously in speaking (which Sailshaw refers to as Sheridan Peterson's "mantra").

Sooner or later we will be reading Sheridan's obituary. Sure wish he could be interviewed.

377

Who is Al Di?

Muhammad? El Dion?  Charley?  Sam? Miriam? Pedro?


 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #70 on: August 24, 2015, 11:41:56 PM »
He's they guy who posted the video's about the Playboy clippings from the letters..

How do we know he's not a family member of the original writer?
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« Reply #71 on: August 25, 2015, 04:01:43 AM »
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He's they guy who posted the video's about the Playboy clippings from the letters..

How do we know he's not a family member of the original writer?

Yes I know who you are talking about - mine was a joke. Who would pick Al Di as a nym? Witch Hazel?

Al di is an Arabic surname. It also has roots in Aramaic (Northern Sinai Script). And of course the current generation is involved in Iraq- middle east etc.  Is this nym an appeal to or from the Iraq generation? Who knows but the nym is timely if not Al Di Liscious!

salam b'boquer! Happy shopping at Al Di's: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #72 on: August 26, 2015, 04:14:57 PM »
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Sooner or later we will be reading Sheridan's obituary. Sure wish he could be interviewed.

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LMNO productions tells me that they want to interview Petey. They've got plenty of cuties, too, so it could happen...
 

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« Reply #73 on: August 26, 2015, 07:10:46 PM »
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Sooner or later we will be reading Sheridan's obituary. Sure wish he could be interviewed.

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LMNO productions tells me that they want to interview Petey. They've got plenty of cuties, too, so it could happen...

That's the key. It worked for the FBI.

If one of them were to convince Sheridan that she was a DB Cooper groupie, might he confess?

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2015, 03:49:55 PM »
I would.