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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2014, 05:46:28 AM »
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No one is going to solve this case from a suspect first.

I disagree with this quote. several things to keep in mind. If Cooper did live, then it possibly could lead someone to the crime. not circumstantial evidence, something that would prove he was Cooper. I would like to believe even if he was a loner that he saved something linking him to the crime that would be found if he died. 

We now have two suspects from the missing persons avenue. I don't think this area has been checked over good enough to dismiss a missing persons possibility. Cooper doesn't have to be from the USA.

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I can tell this website and the other one are filled with talented investigators.. Anybody crack a cold case and see it closed?

I don't believe many here are claiming to be "investigators" vs being researchers. I know I don't claim to be an investigator, and someone looking into a suspect isn't really one either IMO. armchair detective, perhaps a few. I believe some are so wrapped up in the case they fail to see evidence pointing against a suspect. 

I would credit Bruce Smith as a News/Media Investigator. he talks with key people in the investigation where some don't. he asks key questions. some people don't like his approach, but someone has to do it in order to get answers. I don't always agree with some of his conclusions, but he goes above and beyond more than others. 

In all the years DZ has been around I don't know if anyone has solved a cold case before. I see a lot of personality conflicts while researching this case, people butt heads constantly. I believe some have actually helped the case. Agent Carr was on DZ for some time, and learned as well. IQ's are tested all the time here, and "over there"

I believe NMIWrecks is a special Deputy falling into a different category explained above.

Keep in mind no one has come forth and identified Cooper. Why? He was hardly disguised.

There is always the possibility that Cooper never wanted to be identified and keeping any momento of the crime could'v fallen into someone's hands. If Cooper survived the jump. maybe he didn't want to have anything to do with the crime anymore.

--> There is multiple male DNA on the tie. Multiple, like a lot. Assume the tie was used by many.

You say: -> There is multiple male DNA on the tie. Multiple, like a lot. Assume the tie was used by many.

How many males? 1056? Or less than 437?

And here's the 50c question -

How in blazes do you know!?

 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2014, 04:56:04 PM »
Yeah, how do you know?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2014, 12:33:42 AM »
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Multiple sources.
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2014, 01:33:31 AM »
So, nu, who are they?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2015, 02:35:03 AM »
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2015, 03:20:11 PM »
 :)

Did Cooper have a DRD4 gene anomaly?   Some contend he must have had that mutation. Did the FBI genetic workup on Cooper reveal a DRD4 gene anomaly, and what is the big deal with the DRD4 gene anyway, as some contend it applies to adventure seekers, skydivers, and perhaps to the D.B. Cooper also?

Genes regulate the activity of Neurotransmitters. Neurotransmitters are those ‘brain chemicals’ that control metabolic functions by flooding our cells with different chemicals. There are two basic kinds of neurotransmitters – Inhibitory and Excitatory. Excitatory neurotransmitters stimulate the brain and  Inhibitory neurotransmitters calm the brain and balance mood, and are easily depleted when the excitation neurotransmitters are overactive. Two of these neurotransmitters are Dopamine and Serotonin, among others.  The levels of these neurotransmitters influence everything from basic metabolic functions and general personality disposition, to how a person will respond in life situations.   

The dopamine receptor D4 is a G protein-coupled receptor encoded by the DRD4 gene. Back in 1996 a study claimed to have found an association between the specific personality trait of ‘novelty seeking’ and ‘polymorphism (mutations)’ in the DRD4 dopamine receptor gene.  See: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. The general statement of this theory goes as follows:

'" If you have a longer than average version of the D4DR dopamine receptor gene, you are more likely to be a thrill seeker, the kind of person who jumps out of airplanes, clambers up frozen waterfalls, or has sex with strangers.

If you have a shorter version of a stretch of DNA that inhibits the serotonin transporter gene on chromosome 17, you are more likely to be neurotic and anxious, the kind of person who can barely function at social gatherings for fear of offending someone or acting like a fool" (
  -Steven Pinker (from his book "The Blank Slate")

The issue of Determinism, genetic or otherwise, has been debated for years going clear back to into antiquity where debates about Nature vs. Nurture flourished right up to the present day, often debated by people who haven’t the faintest idea what they are talking about, and really don’t care to know!   

There is a media company which calls itself D4DR Media. It's logo takes a position in this debate for some unexplained reason, and reads as follows saying : 

“Adventure is in our genes:   If you have a mutated D4DR gene, chances are we’ll meet you on one of our sites.
“D4DR is a human gene, located on chromosome 11. It is (so far) one of the only genes proven to be directly linked to a human personality trait. When the D4DR gene is mutated or elongated, studies have shown that the individual may be more interested in danger, excitement and thrill seeking.”
   

In other words:  ‘A mutated DRD4 gene IS A GOOD THING!  (wink wink!) ?  And, it just happens that  D4DR Media owns and runs ‘Dropzone.com’  ... and the Dropzone Cooper Thread! (Sangiro/Messo in South Afrika)

A more informed and balanced statement about the 'D4DR/DRD4' gene mutation  reads:

The dopamine receptor D4 is a G protein-coupled receptor encoded by the DRD4 gene.[1] As with other dopamine receptor subtypes, the D4 receptor is activated by the neurotransmitter dopamine. It is linked to many neurological and psychiatric diseases including schizophrenia, Parkinsons disease, bipolar disorder, addictive behaviors, and eating disorders such as anorexia nervosa etc. It is also a target for drugs which treat schizophrenia and Parkinson disease. The D4 receptor is considered to be D2-like in which the activated receptor inhibits the enzyme adenylate cyclase, thereby reducing the intracellular concentration of the second messenger cyclic AMP.[2] (wiki)

Some D4DR ‘enthusiasts-cultists’ simply bypass the greater truths above and embellish, even associate the DRD4 mutation with being an ‘entry card’ to the throne of a New Master Race, called The “New Economic Order” (NEO), a patently fascist, racist, apartheid advocating class of people who claim they are destined to rule the World with a New Economic Order ... because of their superiority granted by the presence of the mutated D4DR gene! This New Economic Order based on abnormal D4DR morphology would be a master race of seriously "crazy psychotic" people who run the World - much as Adolf Hitler did! For the good of all Mankind! Children would be taught to run wild in lockstep and skydive, before they could read or write, much as they already do in the Cooper Thread on Dropzone.com!   ;)  :-*

If one subscribes to this D4DR social theory, several things must follow:

(1) D.B. Cooper may have had a mutant form of the DRD4 gene.  That may even be required.

(2) Cooper candidates must qualify by having a mutated D4DR gene. That would include Duane Weber, Kenneth Christiansen, and all the rest – all others who lack a mutant form of the D4DR gene, are eliminated.

(3) The superior investigators of the D.B.  Cooper case who only tell the Truth, all (must) have the mutated D4DR gene.

(4) The Truth of the Cooper case can only be known by people who have the mutated D4DR gene! All others must be banned from the Cooper Discussion because they can only be telling lies - this would include Galen Cook, Sluggo, Meyer Louie, Georger, ... all of those identified as liars by Robert Blevins and Jo Weber ( we know who they are!)

This theory requires that Kenneth Christian had a mutated D4DR gene!

Do gay men generally have the mutated form of the D4DR gene?

 ;) ;)
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2015, 05:10:04 PM »
Basically, it's a "Liberal" oriented site. ?
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2015, 05:19:27 PM »
Let me give a simpler form of the above post -

Some people advocate that all extreme sports & related behaviors are based in a 'mutated D4DR gene' (the dopamine receptor gene). That includes skydiving, rock climbing, diving, bungee cord dropping, high wire walking and acrobatics, etc. This was first cited in an article in Nature back in 1996. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The people who own and run the Dropzone DB Cooper Thread advocate that position on their website: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

According to that theory DB Cooper had a mutated form of the D4DR gene.

Any Cooper candidate must also have that trait in their genetic profile, according to this theory.

What form will Christiansen's D4DR gene show?

A mutated DRD4 gene is also associated with psychotic-criminal behavior, cited by a number of researchers.
See: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. There is a vast literature on this subject.


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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2015, 05:26:25 PM »
I understand the above. I was basing my opinion on the (NEO) comment
 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2015, 05:29:52 PM »
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Basically, it's a "Liberal" oriented site. ?

Liberal? 

"If you have a mutated D4DR gene, chances are we'll meet you on one of our sites. ..... "D4DR is a human gene, located on chromosome 11. It is (so far) one of the only genes proven to be directly linked to a human personality trait. When the D4DR gene is mutated or elongated, studies have shown that the individual may be more interested in danger, excitement and thrill seeking."    You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The phrase " proven to be directly linked to a human personality trait." is completely misleading. Other traits which have also " proven to be directly linked to a human personality trait" include schizophrenia, psychotic behaviors, etc etc etc...  ! 

The website D4DR is passing bad science! It's that simple. So in that sense, yes it's LIBERAL!

What it is is misleading. Why would one even include something as controversial as this unless there was an agenda behind it?

Did KC have a mutated D4DR gene?

Do all paratroopers/skydivers etc have a mutant D4DR gene?

[edit] Do you know, for example, that the supposed association between polymorphic DRD4 and 'thrill seeking hobbies' mention in the original 1996 article, only applied to a mere 4% of the sample population studied!!!! That is hardly a ringing endorsement of nature over nurture@! Does D4DR Media mention this? Hell no! They probably don't even know that small fact. Or care -

There is literally nothing about the D4DR debate that has anything to do with running a sports media website, in the first place. Why don't they advertise Cold Fusion too and associate that with some gene? A natural inclination genetically spawned to rub your butt with your hands while dropping at 120mph, to create energy to warm your ass up too! It isn't even clever imho.

       



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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2015, 05:37:12 PM »
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I understand the above. I was basing my opinion on the (NEO) comment

One stance of the "New Economic Order" is that it is based on people who have a mutant D4DR gene.

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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2015, 06:10:41 PM »
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I understand the above. I was basing my opinion on the (NEO) comment

One stance of the "New Economic Order" is that it is based on people who have a mutant D4DR gene.

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Georger, Are you familiar with the Warrior Gene (Monoamine Oxidase A) DNA test offered by FTDNA, who describes it as being a "cocktail party" test and I think they are right.  I am familiar with some people who have this specific Warrior Gene and there is no correlation whatsoever between the test results and the predicted behavior.

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2015, 01:50:00 AM »
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I understand the above. I was basing my opinion on the (NEO) comment

One stance of the "New Economic Order" is that it is based on people who have a mutant D4DR gene.

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Georger, Are you familiar with the Warrior Gene (Monoamine Oxidase A) DNA test offered by FTDNA, who describes it as being a "cocktail party" test and I think they are right.  I am familiar with some people who have this specific Warrior Gene and there is no correlation whatsoever between the test results and the predicted behavior.

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Yes I am familiar with this debate. People have been looking for simple explanations for complex things, for a very long time. Every ideology and religion has a prescription. Genes have replaced bat wings, toad eyeballs, and chicken livers on some people's lists of "how to explain and control everything in life". It is all junk science and Ideology. Real genetic science on the other hand, tries to do things like 'get severed nerve endings to grow and find their correct cellular targets and reconnect', 'turn on nerve cells to reconnect appropriately to transplant tissue', 'activate and direct stem cells to become functioning insulin producing pancreatic cells', 'get damaged brain tissue to repair and relearn' .......... small concrete jobs like that! That is a light year away in kind and purpose, from claiming one has discovered one gene that will direct a person to vote Democratic vs Republican! One is ideology. The other is Science.

As to the Warrior Gene you might enjoy this:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.  This article seems to cover all of the basic issues in play.

Keep in mind, genetics is a very young science. And science itself is very young in a newly emerged sentient species, namely ourselves. And the average time of a person to learn and work in this fields is very short ... it is very easy to be impatient.
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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2015, 11:19:04 PM »
Someone says: "Considering DNA can't be guaranteed if it came from the hijacker, finger print should make a better point."

Well the first part is virtually untrue. How you ask?  Do some reading about dna/mtdna analysis.

Yepper comrade!  :)


 

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Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper...Whats The deal?
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2015, 11:28:32 PM »
I haven't been there in a while. I'll have to start going to the library to catch up on what's going on over there  :D :D :D :D the last time I looked the mod called someone a scumbag, and then they complained that you called the new guy an idiot?? seems the facts just fly out of that place  :D :D :D
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