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Title: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on September 30, 2019, 07:35:59 PM
new thread
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: EU on September 30, 2019, 08:51:40 PM
Congrats to Darren. His podcasts not only kick ass, but they also serve to create an important permanent record. Great job Darren!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on September 30, 2019, 11:43:44 PM
Good luck to Darren.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on October 01, 2019, 01:22:24 PM
I'm honored to have earned my own thread at The DB Cooper Forum. Thank you.

 :chr2:
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on October 16, 2019, 09:01:40 PM
Our latest episode is out now!

DB Cooper was a Railroader with the anonymous Army analyst that uncovered William J Smith.

Its a great episode, I know you guys will enjoy it.

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-a-railroader-anonymous/

Check it out!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Parrotheadvol on October 18, 2019, 08:18:46 AM
I'll give it listen on my trip to Ohio next week.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 20, 2019, 05:34:05 AM
More kudos to Darren.

I just received my copy of Nat Loufoque's book on E Howard Hunt, titled: DB Cooper - Examined, Identified, and Exposed.

Darren's podcast with Nat is informative and intriguing, whereas Nat's book is a Hot Mess. It's barely readable, literally. The margins are WAY TOO narrow, and every page is a nightmare to read. Worse, most of the chapters are fillers. Worst, Nat opts to add his own speculative notions to what DB Cooper was thinking, feeling etc. Nat even says that while waiting for Flight 305 to board DB Cooper itched with pain due to an ulcer.

Nat, YOUGOTTABEKIDDINGME. C'mon, man. Next time you wanna write about DB Cooper, why don't you talk to some of us who have been reading, writing, and researching this fellow for awhile and have an advanced, considered view on who the guy really was.

One more thing. If you're gonna use my writing on Cooper in your book, please ask me for permission - or at least give me a heads-up. Thanks. Seeing my stuff in someone else's book without direct accreditation makes me cranky...
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 20, 2019, 05:37:10 AM
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Our latest episode is out now!

DB Cooper was a Railroader with the anonymous Army analyst that uncovered William J Smith.

Its a great episode, I know you guys will enjoy it.

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-a-railroader-anonymous/

Check it out!

This researcher has been in contact with me from time to time. I consider his theories to be sound and thoughtful. However, the research is a bit thin in places, but overall, the fellow Darren interviews is a decent guy.

I'll be listening, too!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: 377 on October 22, 2019, 01:20:51 PM
You are an asset to the Vortex Darren. Keep up the good work.

377
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on November 09, 2019, 11:14:45 AM
Our latest episode is out now. DB Cooper was a Priest with Gregg Gossett.

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-a-priest/

Enjoy!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: David on November 27, 2019, 11:05:14 AM
I just listened to the Barb Dayton podcast, which I enjoyed.  I picked that one first because I have a trans-male son. 

Barb sounds like somebody described to me by an older transmale (female to male) in his 60's.  He talked about a transfemale that became a biker and hung around with the HA.  This came out of a discussion about how acceptance of people comes from strange places, in that bikers at the time were quite accepting of different people, including trans-people.  Or maybe he read the book your podcast guests wrote and was just repeating the story.


Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 27, 2019, 04:01:14 PM
I'll have to listen to the Formans' podcast and refresh my memory of Bob and Barb Dayton's exploits.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on December 18, 2019, 11:17:01 PM
Two new episodes up tonight! One is DB Cooper was a Sport Parachutist with Mark Metzler, who even threw in a DB Cooper Forum plug, and the other episode is my speech from the latest CooperCon.

Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Lynn on December 19, 2019, 02:40:47 PM
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Two new episodes up tonight! One is DB Cooper was a Sport Parachutist with Mark Metzler, who even threw in a DB Cooper Forum plug, and the other episode is my speech from the latest CooperCon.

Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/
Listening now - much easier listening than some of the podcasts I've been listening to on the William Desmond Taylor case. You both sound very professional and keep to the topics, completely lucid and Darren is an excellent interviewer - not grandstanding but asking what people want to know in a concise manner. Lovely to hear 377's always clear and useful insights. Will check out the Cooper Con speech next, wish I could have been there. Sounds like it was fun.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Parrotheadvol on December 20, 2019, 10:52:06 AM
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Two new episodes up tonight! One is DB Cooper was a Sport Parachutist with Mark Metzler, who even threw in a DB Cooper Forum plug, and the other episode is my speech from the latest CooperCon.

Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/
Listening now - much easier listening than some of the podcasts I've been listening to on the William Desmond Taylor case. You both sound very professional and keep to the topics, completely lucid and Darren is an excellent interviewer - not grandstanding but asking what people want to know in a concise manner. Lovely to hear 377's always clear and useful insights. Will check out the Cooper Con speech next, wish I could have been there. Sounds like it was fun.

I gave the one with 377 a listen yesterday as I was driving home from Arkansas. Other than the Tom Kaye episode, this was probably my favorite. I'll check the other one out on my next road trip.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on February 21, 2020, 09:15:25 PM
Russell and I are back to work after the holidays and my move from Boise to Denver. We recorded two episodes this week! One of them features a member of this forum too.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on February 26, 2020, 08:31:25 PM
Our latest episode is up now! DB Cooper is Still Missing with Ross Richardson. Some of you may know Ross from this forum as NMIWrecks. Check it out!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-is-still-missing-ross-richardson/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 27, 2020, 03:58:13 AM
Ah..... the grocery store manager who disappeared from northern Michigan with a young honey bun in tow, bound for Mexico.... good tale.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on March 09, 2020, 07:42:16 PM
Finally covering John List as a potential suspect with author Joe Sharkey. DB Cooper Didn't Murder His Family. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-did-not-murder-his-family-joe-sharkey/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: EU on March 20, 2020, 10:47:24 PM
VERY COOL ANNOUNCEMENT

I approached Darren Schaefer today about the prospect of quickly putting together a podcast called the “DB Cooper BS Session” whereby we get a few people together to discuss the Cooper case and other fun subjects in a light-hearted and entertaining fashion. The idea being that we could push this podcast out as quickly as possible to help bring a measure of entertainment and enjoyment to people who may be in lock-down or otherwise sitting around the house.

I called Tom Kaye and asked if he’d be willing to participate which he immediately agreed he would. Darren reached out to Anonymous—the driving force behind the William Smith story—and likewise he agreed to participate as well.

Therefore, Darren, Tom, Anonymous and I will be recording a 2-hour DB Cooper BS Session podcast tomorrow which will be released via The Cooper Vortex Podcast sometime this coming week.

I very much want to thank Darren, Tom and Anonymous for willing to contribute to this endeavor to make life a little easier for people by offering up an informative and entertaining podcast on the DB Cooper case during these challenging times.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on March 24, 2020, 12:23:53 AM
I just uploaded our latest episode. DB Cooper's Shocking Details with Joe Swaney of Thinking Sideways and his new show The Shocking Details. Check it out!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-coopers-shocking-details-joe-swaney/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: EU on March 27, 2020, 12:04:15 AM
Darren just loaded a special episode of The Cooper Vortex which includes a discussion with Tom Kaye, Anonymous (William J Smith fame), Darren and myself.

https://pod.link/1439712498/episode/dGhlY29vcGVydm9ydGV4LnBvZGJlYW4uY29tLzc1ZGRjY2RhLTljODgtNTRlOS05YzgyLTUwMmY3YjIxNjk1OQ==
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 27, 2020, 04:46:09 AM
I couldn't load it. I chased all over the Internet to the Vortex to Facebook, but nothing ran. Wassup?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: EU on March 27, 2020, 09:18:30 AM
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I couldn't load it. I chased all over the Internet to the Vortex to Facebook, but nothing ran. Wassup?

Try this link Bruce:

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on March 27, 2020, 05:33:00 PM
Its generally my policy not to comment on Cooper podcasts, but in this one instance I will say a few things, to set the facts straight!

1. If the Army analyst or statistician, or whatever he is contacted me and I came back 'uninterested' then something is wrong. Analytical work would have been exactly the kind of thing I would be interested in .... so I have no idea what went wrong or why, because as far as I am concerned his statistical analysis of the money distribution in the general population (at banks etc) is one of the most interesting things I heard in this podcast. Im a little sorry we didn't connect to communicate because some of his ideas might have been put to the test - we might know more today than we do! That could prove to be a loss. That person's work could be very valuable in this case! He commented that this kind of statistical work might have been very valuable (crucial) earlier in the case! I could not agree more.  I appreciated everything he had to say!  I dont know what more to say..

2. Tom Kaye was not the tenth or eleventh guy I called looking for someone to do SEM work on the money. He was the first, in the general public! We knew who Tom was and something about his capabilities, his lab capabilities, and he was in a favorable section of the country for expedited delivery of bills from Seattle to Arizona and basic analytical work we wanted. Had Tom said "no", I/We had other lab options. Our forensic mandate from Larry Carr was to analyze the money looking for anything that would shed light on several basic questions. That was our only forensic mandate and the only reason I got involved. I was not looking to become involved in a 'fishing expedition' involving the whole DB Cooper case! When Tom was selected we had no idea he would take on the whole case - that came as a total surprise and I/We dropped out, leading to Tom forming his own 'science team'. The rest is history. The forensic part of the Cooper case has prospered under Tom and Larry's direction. I dont think anyone can seriously argue with that ...     

3. Tom Kaye is not a diatom expert, or a Columbia diatom expert or he would already have shaped his comments differently - and neither are the other panelists speaking on this subject. From my perspective that is obvious and it is adversely affecting the whole discussion so far. Real experts need to be involved (somehow), or the whole discussion about diatoms on the Cooper money is going to be flawed.             
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on March 28, 2020, 04:22:00 PM
Original announcement of a science project with Larry Carr - 2008 at Dropzone:
https://www.dropzone.com/forums/topic/56036-db-cooper/page/170/?tab=comments#comment-3083630

georger
August 27, 2008

Hopefully (if everything goes right on my end) in several weeks we should have some interesting discoveries as it relates to the money thanks to Georger. (Ckret)



REPLY/EXPLANATION:

Some time ago, a panel was assembled and recommended to Larry Carr with the idea of examining the money.

The panel consists of recognised experts in different areas of forensics and analysis, who will examine the money or specimens from the money cache. The analyses will be conducted in laboratory environments equiped with the latest in technology, including chemical, spectroscopic, and even electron microscopy (if necessary).

Our panel will also have access to other researchers and resources if necessary. Every person on our panel is highly skilled, experienced, credentialed, and a published research scientist: some with ties to Quantico.

We have no preconceptions about what we will find. Whatever we find, all information will be relayed to Spc. Agent Carr and his colleagues for their decision making process and determination.

We consider this an opportunity to try and extract some useful information which will help the FBI first and foremost. It has been through the very kind efforts of Larry and his colleagues that this is possible. Speaking for the whole panel, I wish to thank them all publicly.

Wish us luck!

Sincerely,
Georger
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on April 10, 2020, 10:50:47 PM
New episode out now! DB Cooper is a Folk Hero with Ben Holland. Check it out!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-is-a-folk-hero-ben-holland/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 15, 2020, 04:31:05 AM
Had a wonderful time today, chatting with Darren and Nicky B on the Cooper Vortex podcast. 2.5 hours of unrelenting conjecture, speculation, and commentary on Things-That-Just-Don't- Add-Up in Cooperville.

I trust it'll be fun to listen to when ol' Russell straightens everything out in the editing room....
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: EU on April 15, 2020, 08:04:30 AM
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Had a wonderful time today, chatting with Darren and Nicky B on the Cooper Vortex podcast. 2.5 hours of unrelenting conjecture, speculation, and commentary on Things-That-Just-Don't- Add-Up in Cooperville.

I trust it'll be fun to listen to when ol' Russell straightens everything out in the editing room....

I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on April 17, 2020, 09:56:23 PM
Here's one to keep you two entertained while you wait! My latest episode with Keith Hirshland who was there in Reno with his father's News Crew. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-ingrained-in-my-memory-keith-hirshland/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on April 18, 2020, 01:51:06 AM
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Here's one to keep you two entertained while you wait! My latest episode with Keith Hirshland who was there in Reno with his father's News Crew. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-ingrained-in-my-memory-keith-hirshland/

One of the better podcasts you have done; an interesting guest with an actual memory of Cooper's plane landing at Reno. I tend to agree with your guest that Cooper's life was not monolithic - but a blend of many lives and experiences. In fact, Cooper's discussion with Tina seems to document a wide experience ... But I don't see Cooper as needing or even wanting an assistant. I think his escape plan was to go it alone. That may have been to his advantage. All or nothing.   
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on April 24, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
Thank you georger! I appreciate that. Maybe we can get you to come on the show sometime!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on April 24, 2020, 02:04:40 PM
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Thank you georger! I appreciate that. Maybe we can get you to come on the show sometime!

Not in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on April 24, 2020, 02:13:37 PM
Interview these folks! In fact,  interview the "author" Gayla Prociv at Auburn WA, the power lady/brains behind The Adventure Books/R&G Housecleaning and Robert Blevins/DB Cooper enterprise!  That would be a first.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 24, 2020, 05:11:52 PM
BTW, the above photo was taken outside the Eatonville Library during the Minnow shoot. Hence, I assume RMB will be in the BBC docu.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on April 24, 2020, 06:23:25 PM
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Had a wonderful time today, chatting with Darren and Nicky B on the Cooper Vortex podcast. 2.5 hours of unrelenting conjecture, speculation, and commentary on Things-That-Just-Don't- Add-Up in Cooperville.

I trust it'll be fun to listen to when ol' Russell straightens everything out in the editing room....

It will be up tonight!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on April 24, 2020, 08:09:10 PM
It’s up now. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-conspiracy-panel-bruce-smith-and-nicky-broughton/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: EU on April 25, 2020, 11:34:54 AM
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It’s up now. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-conspiracy-panel-bruce-smith-and-nicky-broughton/

A very entertaining podcast from the other end of the DB Cooper spectrum!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on April 25, 2020, 05:18:19 PM
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It’s up now. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-conspiracy-panel-bruce-smith-and-nicky-broughton/

Why would there be any mystery about how Jo Weber (and Duane) obtained information.  :o  Both were Insurance/realty brokers after they met; after their previous careers living on the edge.  Expert net-workers by telephone. People tend to talk and give out information if the presentation is good. Made thousands if not tens of thousands of phone calls. During her trip to WA she had a crew networking asking questions... Jo's favorite trick was the sympathy card - Im in trouble I need to know ... Im calling for X who is in trouble ... Im calling looking for ....  if a principal would talk or answer the phone you start calling secondary sources like cousins, family members, friends, etc. Jo was always trying to do people 'favors'  ... Im calling because I think you might like to know . . .  it worked with H's wife and with Dormant's (sp) wife Jane (Tina's sister) ... it worked for a time with JT's wife ... Jo preferred using female networks and social-sympathy cards etc. Jo and Duane's lives literally depended on having these skills, before and after they met each other. Bruce, Galen, etal will confirm all of this! Back in the 70s the doors to information were easy to crack just using a telephone and the right strategies; no legal issues immediately at stake. It worked for the FBI and others, why not for Jo and Duane! ? There is more but not fit for publication - 
Recent mug shot.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: fcastle866 on April 25, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Nice work guys.  Darren, Bruce, Nicky.  The value of these podcasts is amplified considerably during the lockdown.  It would be great to hear from other panels of guests from this site as well.  I always learn something new or think of a different angle to look at the case from.  Thanks.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 26, 2020, 04:33:25 AM
Kudos to Russell for the editing. Really nice work, and I remember how wild and crazy the conversation got at times - talking over each other, etc.

Thanks, Darren. Fun times.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on April 30, 2020, 10:38:15 PM
New episode out tonight! DB Cooper and The Thrill of the Chase with Mindy Fausey and Stephanie Thirtyacre. They believe Forrest Fenn could be DB Cooper. If you've never heard of Forrest Fenn I'd highly recommend it, if you have heard of him then I know you'll listen.

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase-mindy-fausey-and-stephanie-thirtyacre/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 01, 2020, 10:44:59 AM
Another Cooper Treasure Hunt

Besides the Forrest Finn/DB Cooper Treasure Hunt in New Mexico, there is one that has been on-going here in Cooper Country.

The author of HA, HA, HA, who name I do not know, is offering $200,000 to all who can solve his Norjak puzzle as revealed in his book. I think the offer is genuine. I've spoken with the author a couple of years ago, and here's what I know.

He lives in the Sedro Wooley area of Washington State. He can be reached by his publicist, who lives in Sedro Wooley. I'll have to dig up the name and contact info - later. She's a part-time real estate agent.

The author says he is a wealthy man, having made a fortune in stocks and financial instruments. He's got money to give away, and like Forrest Finn, he loves a party and a big whoop-di-do about a treasure hunt.

The author grew up in Vancouver, WA, and wrote HA, HA, HA based upon what he could glean from newspaper accounts at the public library, and coupled that with what he thought was Cooper's back story, heavily influence by his speculation that Cooper was a criminal. The back story has a 50's TV feel to it.

The author admitted to me that he is not DB Cooper.

He says that all the necessary clues are in the book, and there are seven of them. When you've solved the puzzle, let him know and he'll give you the money.

I couldn't find one clue and gave up. But good luck to y'all.

Darren, maybe you ought to send this on to your gals from the podcast on FF - Mindy and Stephanie. They sound like it might be just they cup o' tea.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: EU on May 01, 2020, 02:48:03 PM
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Another Cooper Treasure Hunt

Besides the Forrest Finn/DB Cooper Treasure Hunt in New Mexico, there is one that has been on-going here in Cooper Country.

The author of HA, HA, HA, who name I do not know, is offering $200,000 to all who can solve his Norjak puzzle as revealed in his book. I think the offer is genuine. I've spoken with the author a couple of years ago, and here's what I know.

He lives in the Sedro Wooley area of Washington State. He can be reached by his publicist, who lives in Sedro Wooley. I'll have to dig up the name and contact info - later. She's a part-time real estate agent.

The author says he is a wealthy man, having made a fortune in stocks and financial instruments. He's got money to give away, and like Forrest Finn, he loves a party and a big whoop-di-do about a treasure hunt.

The author grew up in Vancouver, WA, and wrote HA, HA, HA based upon what he could glean from newspaper accounts at the public library, and coupled that with what he thought was Cooper's back story, heavily influence by his speculation that Cooper was a criminal. The back story has a 50's TV feel to it.

The author admitted to me that he is not DB Cooper.

He says that all the necessary clues are in the book, and there are seven of them. When you've solved the puzzle, let him know and he'll give you the money.

I couldn't find one clue and gave up. But good luck to y'all.

Darren, maybe you ought to send this on to your gals from the podcast on FF - Mindy and Stephanie. They sound like it might be just they cup o' tea.

This sounds a little bizarre to me. To what end is such an offer being made?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: dudeman17 on May 01, 2020, 05:48:03 PM
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Another Cooper Treasure Hunt

The author of HA, HA, HA, who name I do not know...     I've spoken with the author a couple of years ago, and here's what I know.

The author grew up in Vancouver, WA, and wrote HA, HA, HA based upon what he could glean from newspaper accounts at the public library, and coupled that with what he thought was Cooper's back story, heavily influence by his speculation that Cooper was a criminal. The back story has a 50's TV feel to it.



I'm curious - In your talk with him, did he address why, in his version, he has Cooper jumping not over Washington, but later, on the approach to Reno?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 01, 2020, 06:12:05 PM
Happy Hunting:

Here ya go:

Diane Dalbey
135 State St.
Sedro Wooley, WA 98284
360. 421. 1112

I spoke with her and the author in January 2019. I had a long chat with the author, and we promised to meet with each other the next time I was in his area.

Diane is primarily trying to sell copies of the book. She says there are 1,000 copies left from the initial printing back in the 1980s. Current list price is $39.95. A tad over-priced in my view.

She mailed me a copy of the book and a short note back in early 2019, which got this whole thing going.


Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 01, 2020, 06:25:29 PM
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Another Cooper Treasure Hunt

The author of HA, HA, HA, who name I do not know...     I've spoken with the author a couple of years ago, and here's what I know.

The author grew up in Vancouver, WA, and wrote HA, HA, HA based upon what he could glean from newspaper accounts at the public library, and coupled that with what he thought was Cooper's back story, heavily influence by his speculation that Cooper was a criminal. The back story has a 50's TV feel to it.



I'm curious - In your talk with him, did he address why, in his version, he has Cooper jumping not over Washington, but later, on the approach to Reno?

Here are some tidbits from my notes, as I decipher my handwriting....

1. Author will respond to correspondence at:

PO Box 2069
Mt. Vernon, WA

2. Author stated that all of his DB Cooper "facts" came from public sources, such as newspapers and TV broadcasts. I assume that means the jump in Reno, too.

3. Diane estimates the author to be in his late 70s.

4. Author says that he doesn't want "any more heat from the FBI." Not sure what kind of heat he has experienced, but his story sounds convoluted. There is a drama concerning who printed the first 25,000 copies, and where 14,000 copies went. Author and Diane currently have 11,000 copies to sell. Diane said there was a lot of media interest when the book was published in the early 1980s and the FBI got involved. Diane said the feds prevented their scheduled appearance on the Letterman Show in 1983.

5. Author says that he is masking his identity to protect his current business interests. He says he is "very public."
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Robert99 on May 01, 2020, 07:06:47 PM
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Another Cooper Treasure Hunt

The author of HA, HA, HA, who name I do not know...     I've spoken with the author a couple of years ago, and here's what I know.

The author grew up in Vancouver, WA, and wrote HA, HA, HA based upon what he could glean from newspaper accounts at the public library, and coupled that with what he thought was Cooper's back story, heavily influence by his speculation that Cooper was a criminal. The back story has a 50's TV feel to it.



I'm curious - In your talk with him, did he address why, in his version, he has Cooper jumping not over Washington, but later, on the approach to Reno?

Here are some tidbits from my notes, as I decipher my handwriting....

1. Author will respond to correspondence at:

PO Box 2069
Mt. Vernon, WA

2. Author stated that all of his DB Cooper "facts" came from public sources, such as newspapers and TV broadcasts. I assume that means the jump in Reno, too.

3. Diane estimates the author to be in his late 70s.

4. Author says that he doesn't want "any more heat from the FBI." Not sure what kind of heat he has experienced, but his story sounds convoluted. There is a drama concerning who printed the first 25,000 copies, and where 14,000 copies went. Author and Diane currently have 11,000 copies to sell. Diane said there was a lot of media interest when the book was published in the early 1980s and the FBI got involved. Diane said the feds prevented their scheduled appearance on the Letterman Show in 1983.

5. Author says that he is masking his identity to protect his current business interests. He says he is "very public."

Bruce, do you remember the first Expedition Unknown telecast on the Cooper matter?  If you are having a hard time remembering it, just remember that you were in it as were a couple of other people on this thread.  If my memory is correct, the producers of that telecast stated in the program that the Cooper jump at Reno scenario was suggested by a former FBI agent in the Seattle area.

I have never heard of anyone else suggesting a jump at Reno.  So maybe this is the same fellow.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: dudeman17 on May 01, 2020, 09:04:29 PM
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I have never heard of anyone else suggesting a jump at Reno.  So maybe this is the same fellow.

I've been skydiving since '79. Some years ago, probably late 90's - early 2000's, I was jumping regularly at a small central California dz, and this guy hung out there for a while who had been an active jumper in the 60's-70's. He had written a book. (For the life of me, I can't remember the guy's name or the name of his book.) The main plot and characters of his book were fiction, but it was set in that 60's-70's era of skydiving and contained real-life people and events. In the last half of the book as a secondary plot, he had a character pull off the skyjacking. He didn't use the name or say that it was national news, but it was clearly the Cooper caper. Well, in his version, he also had the skyjacker jumping on the approach to Reno. I wasn't really following the case at the time, so I don't think I asked him about it, but when I heard that Ha Ha Ha had the same scenario, it caught my attention.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 01, 2020, 11:30:21 PM
Jumping at Reno

The first time I heard of a Reno jump was the recent posting by the FBI agent who also appeared in the Expedition Unknown episode that Robert99, Meyer, and I were in. I forget the FBI's guy's name.

As for HA, HA, HA selecting Reno, I don't specifically remember that. Frankly, I skimmed the book when I got it from Diane over a year ago.

Lastly, there is something about Reno. Perhaps, it's a portal into the Vortex. Robb Heady stole his plane in Reno, and at least one other hijacked plane landed in Reno.

Lastly, lastly, I have lost my copy of HA, HA, HA. I think it walked at CooperCon 2019....
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on May 01, 2020, 11:40:09 PM
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Jumping at Reno

The first time I heard of a Reno jump was the recent posting by the FBI agent who also appeared in the Expedition Unknown episode that Robert99, Meyer, and I were in. I forget the FBI's guy's name.

As for HA, HA, HA selecting Reno, I don't specifically remember that. Frankly, I skimmed the book when I got it from Diane over a year ago.

Lastly, there is something about Reno. Perhaps, it's a portal into the Vortex. Robb Heady stole his plane in Reno, and at least one other hijacked plane landed in Reno.

Lastly, lastly, I have lost my copy of HA, HA, HA. I think it walked at CooperCon 2019....

Is the Reno jump guy named - GEORGE somebody?   He made a strong pitch.

He isnt Johnny Green!     :congrats:    Does Johny Green have his ears and nipples pierced, and tats on his lips? And a law degree?   ;D
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on May 02, 2020, 12:26:35 AM
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New episode out tonight! DB Cooper and The Thrill of the Chase with Mindy Fausey and Stephanie Thirtyacre. They believe Forrest Fenn could be DB Cooper. If you've never heard of Forrest Fenn I'd highly recommend it, if you have heard of him then I know you'll listen.

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-and-the-thrill-of-the-chase-mindy-fausey-and-stephanie-thirtyacre/

Darren please explain the mechanics of your podcasts? What software is used etc? Zoom, Skype, Cisco Meeting, ?? Or just over a telephone?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on May 02, 2020, 01:03:22 PM
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Darren please explain the mechanics of your podcasts? What software is used etc? Zoom, Skype, Cisco Meeting, ?? Or just over a telephone?

While I definitely prefer to do the interview in person, that isn’t always possible. My second choice is to use a program called Zencastr, because it allows us to record the tracks separately so if we briefly talk over each other Russell can fix that without losing anything. My last choice is to do it over the phone, but with the equipment I have now that isn’t too bad.

I hope this question means you’re considering coming on.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on May 02, 2020, 02:22:40 PM
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Darren please explain the mechanics of your podcasts? What software is used etc? Zoom, Skype, Cisco Meeting, ?? Or just over a telephone?

While I definitely prefer to do the interview in person, that isn’t always possible. My second choice is to use a program called Zencastr, because it allows us to record the tracks separately so if we briefly talk over each other Russell can fix that without losing anything. My last choice is to do it over the phone, but with the equipment I have now that isn’t too bad.

I hope this question means you’re considering coming on.

So each participant must have Zencastr ?

Have you ever considered using Zoom?  We have a neighborhood-golf course block party (sing along) every Sat night now - everyone is using Zoom. One guy's nine year old son is running the Zoom chat taking comments and requests. It's hilarious and everyone is enjoying it - people setting up on the golf course well spaced in lawn chairs ...  police now running a patrol (to applause) singing along. So far its private not being opened to the world. 
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on May 02, 2020, 02:40:47 PM
No, I just email a link and the guest is taken to the Zencastr page recording session. The only issue I have with it is it doesn’t support Internet Explorer anymore, and if my guest doesn’t have Chrome, Firefox, or Safari then they’ll have to download one of those.

I don’t use Zoom because as far as I know it won’t allow me to record the tracks separately, and I don’t do video.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 03, 2020, 04:24:54 AM
Chrome seems to be a necessity these days. Zoom and other applications require it or recommend it. But if and when you download Chrome (free) from their site, one has to double-click the download button. It took me three days to figure that one out.

Remember, Cousin Brucie told ya!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 03, 2020, 04:25:58 AM
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No, I just email a link and the guest is taken to the Zencastr page recording session. The only issue I have with it is it doesn’t support Internet Explorer anymore, and if my guest doesn’t have Chrome, Firefox, or Safari then they’ll have to download one of those.

I don’t use Zoom because as far as I know it won’t allow me to record the tracks separately, and I don’t do video.

It works fine, Georger. I highly encourage you to do a session with Darren. He is top-notch.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: nickyb233 on May 03, 2020, 06:16:16 AM
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I have never heard of anyone else suggesting a jump at Reno.  So maybe this is the same fellow.

I've been skydiving since '79. Some years ago, probably late 90's - early 2000's, I was jumping regularly at a small central California dz, and this guy hung out there for a while who had been an active jumper in the 60's-70's. He had written a book. (For the life of me, I can't remember the guy's name or the name of his book.) The main plot and characters of his book were fiction, but it was set in that 60's-70's era of skydiving and contained real-life people and events. In the last half of the book as a secondary plot, he had a character pull off the skyjacking. He didn't use the name or say that it was national news, but it was clearly the Cooper caper. Well, in his version, he also had the skyjacker jumping on the approach to Reno. I wasn't really following the case at the time, so I don't think I asked him about it, but when I heard that Ha Ha Ha had the same scenario, it caught my attention.

The guys name was Brian Williams and he wrote it under the pen name Pat Dunbar, the book is titled A Dark Night and it’s a great read. It’s rumored that Brian had inside information on how cooper skyjacked flight 305 and included it in his book. In his story cooper jumped on it’s descent into Reno and also deployed a parachute off the stairs to simulate the pressure bump over the known dz. He also brought his own chute on board and hid it in the briefcase bomb. The book offers  a good explanation for how cooper could of pulled it off.

https://www.amazon.com/JUMP-RUN-DARK-NIGHT-Dunbar/dp/0974399302
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Robert99 on May 03, 2020, 02:20:32 PM
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I have never heard of anyone else suggesting a jump at Reno.  So maybe this is the same fellow.

I've been skydiving since '79. Some years ago, probably late 90's - early 2000's, I was jumping regularly at a small central California dz, and this guy hung out there for a while who had been an active jumper in the 60's-70's. He had written a book. (For the life of me, I can't remember the guy's name or the name of his book.) The main plot and characters of his book were fiction, but it was set in that 60's-70's era of skydiving and contained real-life people and events. In the last half of the book as a secondary plot, he had a character pull off the skyjacking. He didn't use the name or say that it was national news, but it was clearly the Cooper caper. Well, in his version, he also had the skyjacker jumping on the approach to Reno. I wasn't really following the case at the time, so I don't think I asked him about it, but when I heard that Ha Ha Ha had the same scenario, it caught my attention.

The guys name was Brian Williams and he wrote it under the pen name Pat Dunbar, the book is titled A Dark Night and it’s a great read. It’s rumored that Brian had inside information on how cooper skyjacked flight 305 and included it in his book. In his story cooper jumped on it’s descent into Reno and also deployed a parachute off the stairs to simulate the pressure bump over the known dz. He also brought his own chute on board and hid it in the briefcase bomb. The book offers  a good explanation for how cooper could of pulled it off.

https://www.amazon.com/JUMP-RUN-DARK-NIGHT-Dunbar/dp/0974399302

Please elaborate on how he "brought his own chute on board and hid it in the briefcase bomb."  Whoever wrote that has obviously never seen a parachute.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: dudeman17 on May 03, 2020, 04:06:30 PM
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I have never heard of anyone else suggesting a jump at Reno.  So maybe this is the same fellow.

I've been skydiving since '79. Some years ago, probably late 90's - early 2000's, I was jumping regularly at a small central California dz, and this guy hung out there for a while who had been an active jumper in the 60's-70's. He had written a book. (For the life of me, I can't remember the guy's name or the name of his book.) The main plot and characters of his book were fiction, but it was set in that 60's-70's era of skydiving and contained real-life people and events. In the last half of the book as a secondary plot, he had a character pull off the skyjacking. He didn't use the name or say that it was national news, but it was clearly the Cooper caper. Well, in his version, he also had the skyjacker jumping on the approach to Reno. I wasn't really following the case at the time, so I don't think I asked him about it, but when I heard that Ha Ha Ha had the same scenario, it caught my attention.

The guys name was Brian Williams and he wrote it under the pen name Pat Dunbar, the book is titled A Dark Night and it’s a great read. It’s rumored that Brian had inside information on how cooper skyjacked flight 305 and included it in his book. In his story cooper jumped on it’s descent into Reno and also deployed a parachute off the stairs to simulate the pressure bump over the known dz. He also brought his own chute on board and hid it in the briefcase bomb. The book offers  a good explanation for how cooper could of pulled it off.

https://www.amazon.com/JUMP-RUN-DARK-NIGHT-Dunbar/dp/0974399302

Wow, that's right. I'm curious how you came across that to read it. A few of us at the dz read it because he had a couple copies, but we didn't get to keep them. I was never sure how widely published or distributed it was.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on May 13, 2020, 10:53:53 AM
I moved the comments not related to this thread to clues and documents thread...

Shutter
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on June 20, 2020, 04:11:14 PM
Latest episode out now. DB Cooper and The Adventure Agents with Patrick South. Check it out!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-and-the-adventure-agents-patrick-south/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on June 21, 2020, 10:22:02 AM
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Latest episode out now. DB Cooper and The Adventure Agents with Patrick South. Check it out!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-and-the-adventure-agents-patrick-south/

I've enjoyed listening to your podcast. I listened to the Forrest Fenn episode the other day. I was wondering if you have reached back out to those two guests since the treasure was finally found recently.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on June 22, 2020, 05:42:55 AM
Me, too. I'd love to hear a follow-up.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Parrotheadvol on June 22, 2020, 09:22:21 AM
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Latest episode out now. DB Cooper and The Adventure Agents with Patrick South. Check it out!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-and-the-adventure-agents-patrick-south/

I've enjoyed listening to your podcast. I listened to the Forrest Fenn episode the other day. I was wondering if you have reached back out to those two guests since the treasure was finally found recently.

Has there been any kind of proof that this thing was actually found? The articles I read didn't really have a lot in the way of convincing information.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on June 22, 2020, 10:16:32 AM
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Latest episode out now. DB Cooper and The Adventure Agents with Patrick South. Check it out!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-and-the-adventure-agents-patrick-south/

I've enjoyed listening to your podcast. I listened to the Forrest Fenn episode the other day. I was wondering if you have reached back out to those two guests since the treasure was finally found recently.

Has there been any kind of proof that this thing was actually found? The articles I read didn't really have a lot in the way of convincing information.

The social media conspiracies are of course doing their usual thing. But the person who found it took photos of the treasure and sent them to Fenn along with the location. Fenn confirmed it was both the treasure and the location. The person who found it then brought the treasure to Fenn and Fenn posted pictures of himself with the found treasure.  So yes.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on July 01, 2020, 08:28:58 PM
New episode out now! Drew Beeson is back and we discuss his new book, Paratrooper of Fortune: The Story of Ted B Braden.

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-the-paratrooper-of-fortune-drew-beeson/

Check it out!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: 18C on July 10, 2020, 07:18:16 PM
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New episode out now! Drew Beeson is back and we discuss his new book, Paratrooper of Fortune: The Story of Ted B Braden.

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-the-paratrooper-of-fortune-drew-beeson/

Check it out!

Enjoyed the heck out of Drew's interview and will buy the book as soon as I can work out how. From what I can see it was only printed a couple of weeks ago and the ink is still drying.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on August 03, 2020, 08:24:29 PM
New episode out today! DB Cooper is a Cold Case with Cheyna Roth. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-is-a-cold-case-cheyna-roth/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 04, 2020, 02:25:55 AM
Who is she? Please tell us more. Your blurb at the Vortex says she is a prosecutor who writes about cold cases.

I'll be listening, but not right now.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on August 04, 2020, 01:02:34 PM
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New episode out today! DB Cooper is a Cold Case with Cheyna Roth. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-is-a-cold-case-cheyna-roth/

Awesome, I will definitely give it a listen. I've enjoyed all of these so far.

There was also another episode of the Martin McNally podcast put out today, so that's two good ones to keep me distracted from work this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: 18C on August 05, 2020, 11:17:44 PM
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New episode out today! DB Cooper is a Cold Case with Cheyna Roth. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-is-a-cold-case-cheyna-roth/
Listened in and enjoyed. Cheyna had you doing a rethink on the bomb being real or not. But by the end you had her doing a rethink too. For what it's worth I don't think it was a real bomb. It does raise the question of what would DBC have done if they had called his bluff on the bomb. But perhaps that little talked about second bag DBC carried on-board contained a gun?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 07, 2020, 05:22:13 PM
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New episode out today! DB Cooper is a Cold Case with Cheyna Roth. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-is-a-cold-case-cheyna-roth/

I listened to this podcast last night and enjoyed it. Highlights for me were Cheyna's comments on why and who is attracted to true crime mysteries. I'd like to hear more on that - especially on why ONLY MEN, in general, are attracted to the DBC saga. This is interesting because a publisher told me that over half of all true crime books are read by women. But NOT Cooper, apparently.

When an interviewer asks me why I'm so passionate about DBC and have been following the case for so long, I am surprised at how tongue-tied I am. And I have had enough psychotherapy to have at least some kind of answer!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Parrotheadvol on August 10, 2020, 04:49:56 PM
I never really thought about it before, but if the bomb was fake, why not leave it on the plane as sort one last poke at the authorities. You'd basically be telling them, "I hijacked your plane, took your money, and did it all with a fake bomb".

Interesting thought, but I still come down on the side of the bomb being fake.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on August 10, 2020, 05:06:23 PM
That's a crap shoot...he might of felt like it was leaving to much evidence behind..could miss a print wiping it down, link back to him somehow with purchases...
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: 18C on August 17, 2020, 08:33:59 PM
In Drew Beeson's book 'Paratrooper of Fortune' I read that Tina Mucklow asked (almost begged) DBC to take the bomb with him.

(good read incidentally)

Not sure I had ever heard that before? If I had, I had already managed to forget it. Anyone else remember hearing that elsewhere??
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on August 17, 2020, 09:06:33 PM
She mentions this in her statement the evening of the hijacking that can be viewed in our vault..he responded that he would either take it with him or disarm it..

http://website.thedbcooperforum.com/Cooper-Vault/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on August 18, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
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In Drew Beeson's book 'Paratrooper of Fortune' I read that Tina Mucklow asked (almost begged) DBC to take the bomb with him.

(good read incidentally)

Not sure I had ever heard that before? If I had, I had already managed to forget it. Anyone else remember hearing that elsewhere??

Its a good book, I'd recommend it to anyone that lurks this forum.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Lynn on August 29, 2020, 03:41:41 AM
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Our latest episode is out now. DB Cooper was a Priest with Gregg Gossett.

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-a-priest/

Enjoy!
Ooh, looking forward to this one! I'm so behind in - well, everything, lol. I'm still working from home full time and neglecting my fave rabbit holes. Really enjoying what I've heard of the podcasts thus far. You're an excellent interviewer and researcher, and I speak as one who has been screaming "NO! WRONG!" at podcasts about another cold case I've been researching for months now.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on August 30, 2020, 09:59:32 PM
Newcomer to the Vortex Daniel Baer joins me with a new suspect.

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-lived-in-alabama-daniel-baer/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 31, 2020, 12:24:19 AM
Darren, you are such a TEASE! Who's the suspect?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on September 06, 2020, 08:39:38 PM
I’ve got a great new episode for you guys! DB Cooper’s Money with world renowned professional numismatist Arthur Friedberg. He’s got some valuable insight into if any of that money was spent.

Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-coopers-money-arthur-l-friedberg/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 06, 2020, 10:00:39 PM
It was a decent listen, Darren. Thanks.

If you're looking for more guests to interview, how about Jim Forbes? I think he would be willing to talk, and share some interesting views in the whole Rackstraw/Colbert/LMNO/History Channel production.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on September 09, 2020, 05:41:44 PM
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I’ve got a great new episode for you guys! DB Cooper’s Money with world renowned professional numismatist Arthur Friedberg. He’s got some valuable insight into if any of that money was spent.

Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-coopers-money-arthur-l-friedberg/

Good interview with an experienced professional in his field. The Tina Bar money may be a harbinger for what happened to the rest of the ransom money. The experts' comments are based on his long experience with found and missing money. His experience is tantamount to a statistical prediction based on experience with other money collections! I found this very interesting and potentially very important.  I am rather sure this experts' remarks replicate what a forensic expert in the Treasury Dept might say ... based on a similar experience with lost and found monies. But the expert asked you a direct question you failed to answer - if the Columbia had ever been searched ! The expert was asking you for context. You failed to mention Tosaw and others who followed up the FBI's excavation with years of searching areas of the Columbia! (known searches conducted 1980-2015!)

You evidently have not read my research and posts on that topic. But, your interview was important and well placed. You might follow this up with an interview of someone from the US Treasury Forensic Division on the same issues as well as what the condition of the Ingram money tells, or predicts ?  :chr2:       
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on September 17, 2020, 07:08:40 PM
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Good interview with an experienced professional in his field. The Tina Bar money may be a harbinger for what happened to the rest of the ransom money. The experts' comments are based on his long experience with found and missing money. His experience is tantamount to a statistical prediction based on experience with other money collections! I found this very interesting and potentially very important.  I am rather sure this experts' remarks replicate what a forensic expert in the Treasury Dept might say ... based on a similar experience with lost and found monies. But the expert asked you a direct question you failed to answer - if the Columbia had ever been searched ! The expert was asking you for context. You failed to mention Tosaw and others who followed up the FBI's excavation with years of searching areas of the Columbia! (known searches conducted 1980-2015!)

You evidently have not read my research and posts on that topic. But, your interview was important and well placed. You might follow this up with an interview of someone from the US Treasury Forensic Division on the same issues as well as what the condition of the Ingram money tells, or predicts ?  :chr2:       

I'd love to have you on the show to talk about the case. Any thoughts on that georger?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 17, 2020, 07:15:03 PM
Go get 'em, Darren!

Smile...
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on September 22, 2020, 09:02:33 PM
Latest episode is out now. Johnny Surles, a retired Lieutenant with the North Carolina Highway Patrol. He was working when McCoy robbed the bank in North Carolina after his escape from prison.

Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-a-student-at-byu-johnny-surles/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: 18C on September 23, 2020, 12:42:01 AM
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Latest episode is out now. Johnny Surles, a retired Lieutenant with the North Carolina Highway Patrol. He was working when McCoy robbed the bank in North Carolina after his escape from prison.

Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-a-student-at-byu-johnny-surles/

Have always found McCoy's story extremely interesting. Would make for a great movie or miniseries.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on October 06, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
New episode out today. DB Cooper was an Avenger with Harriette Sucher. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-an-avenger-harriette-sucher/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Parrotheadvol on October 08, 2020, 12:16:43 AM
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New episode out today. DB Cooper was an Avenger with Harriette Sucher. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-an-avenger-harriette-sucher/

I love the podcast Darren, but that was a tough listen, lol!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: RaoulDuke24 on October 08, 2020, 11:10:50 AM
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New episode out today. DB Cooper was an Avenger with Harriette Sucher. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-an-avenger-harriette-sucher/

I love the podcast Darren, but that was a tough listen, lol!

I'll second that. I've been loving these podcasts and have been listening to the episodes as soon as they come out. But I only made it about halfway through this one. Something about the zodiac killer hanging out of the plane by fishing line ... I checked out at that point lol.

But hey, you can't win 'em all haha. Keep these podcasts coming. Really been a big fan of them.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on October 09, 2020, 12:46:41 PM
Thanks for listening guys!

I was able to bully Marty Andrade into coming back on the show, and he's willing to take questions from the audience. Anyone here have any questions they'd like me to ask him on the show?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 09, 2020, 07:22:09 PM
Sure, here ya go:

1. What is your assessment of the FBI's 45-year investigation?
2. What did the FBI do well, what not so well?
3. Fingerprints - why do you think this is such a boondoggle? What's you vote on how many, if any, prints the Feds have, what kind, and where they came from?
4. Flight Path - same questions.
5. What was it like writing a book with your Dad? Tell us EVERYTHING!!!  ....please....
6. What has been the attraction to DBC for you and your Dad?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on October 10, 2020, 11:51:15 PM
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Sure, here ya go:

1. What is your assessment of the FBI's 45-year investigation?
2. What did the FBI do well, what not so well?
3. Fingerprints - why do you think this is such a boondoggle? What's you vote on how many, if any, prints the Feds have, what kind, and where they came from?
4. Flight Path - same questions.
5. What was it like writing a book with your Dad? Tell us EVERYTHING!!!  ....please....
6. What has been the attraction to DBC for you and your Dad?

Actually, if you take the print snips in Shutter's Vault and paste them by date, it tells a chronological story and makes sense. Try it! 

11/25/71   Elimination prints from crew etal at Seattle.
11/25/71   Milnes to Campbell comment personal non lab opinion -
11/26/71   seats, phone, rear door area, seat head rest, etc processed for prints and forensic evidence at Reno - forwarded to Lab for examination.
11/26/71   Eleven useful prints plus partial palm print from plane ... (Lab opinion).
04/20/73   Latent Print Section reply to Knoxville request for print  comparison of their suspect.
10/9/75     Latent Print Section reply to Milwaukee request for print  comparison of their suspect.
04/11/77   File of Eight latent finger prints + partial palm print being used by Lab for all suspect comparisons.
11/16/78   prints entered into new automated computer graphics system for faster Lab turn-around and Field Office access.   

Where's the 'boondoggle' you allege ?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 11, 2020, 03:19:42 AM
The 302 that says the 11 prints taken at Reno were too smudged to be of value.
Then we have eight good ones somehow, out of 66 sets.

The math is off, etc.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 11, 2020, 11:23:06 AM
I just had a document that I can't find and will have to search it out in the last 302. they make a claim of 70 prints in that document. I'm not sure how these numbers change over time. a lot of cold cases get solved looking into the old files. it makes it harder when they don't match.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 11, 2020, 01:41:04 PM
Make that approx. 80 prints..
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on October 11, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
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Make that approx. 80 prints..

Thats 5/16/78 so did it come from Part 51 ?  You might want to stick that in the Vault ...

Every page in every pdf has a Part #, Page #, and at the bottom of each page lower right is an FBI number: example DB Cooper 20606 which happens to be D.B. Cooper PDF number: Part 50 of 50- page 013.

Without these numbers nobody can find anything!   
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on October 11, 2020, 02:45:17 PM
How to pack and unpack an FBI FOIA pdf:

The FBI has Adobe software that photographs every FD-302 page in a release and assembles these photos/pages into a pdf. 

Each pdf has a release number, like "Part 51" , and each page/photo in the pdf has a page number, say 031.

In the bottom right hand corner of every page is an FBI filing number, like "DB Cooper 21209".

To unpack an FOIA pdf, use Adobe or similar software that extracts each individual page/photo from the pdf and dumps these photos into a folder. Each extracted page will have a unique number like: "D.B. Cooper Part 51 of 51-104".

Here is an example attached. Note the pdf Part # and page # extracted from pdf Part 51. In the lower right hand corner of this page is the FBI filing number for this page which is: DB Cooper 21209.

I hope this helps! 

Without going through this process and a common set of references to FBI 302s, searching them and referencing them is going to be stuck in total confusion from here on out. Its your choice! There has to be a common filing system everyone uses.  ;) 

Software is your friend in this matter! At minimum, all references to 302 pages should include (a) Part number, and (b) FBI filing number found in the lower right hand corner of every page. Those two numbers alone will help people find the FOIA release number and 302 people are referencing . . . this is why snippets from 302 pages are nearly a waste of time.   
 
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 11, 2020, 05:46:22 PM
Here is the claim of 70 prints...
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 11, 2020, 06:50:29 PM
I realize the numbering on the PDF's..some are older that were not dated and when I post a file nothing is left out from the pages above or below or I include them in my comments..
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on October 11, 2020, 11:43:05 PM
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Here is the claim of 70 prints...

Here is the whole 302 ...
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 12, 2020, 12:25:21 AM
Correct, and it has several other things on it not related to the prints. that was the subject or topic of that post. if I wanted to involve the DNA into the comment I would of posted all the info that was there...even the 302's are partial and subjects resurface 50 pages into the PDF.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on October 12, 2020, 01:50:38 AM
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Correct, and it has several other things on it not related to the prints. that was the subject or topic of that post. if I wanted to involve the DNA into the comment I would of posted all the info that was there...even the 302's are partial and subjects resurface 50 pages into the PDF.

Im not criticising, just commenting. It sounds like 70 prints or specimens were in need of processing ? And they wanted to try a new automated system..    What have they doing between 1971 and 1998 ? A lot of suspects have been eliminated based on some core set of prints, some 7 or 8 in number in the old system? What makes the new automated system better? ... 
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 12, 2020, 06:31:13 AM
The old system was done by hand or eye in this case. that must of backed the up considerably. probably like the DNA today. they have to wait a period for the results. the new system gets fed into a computer that comes up with the hits.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on October 12, 2020, 08:55:22 PM
New episode out now. DB Cooper was Mormon with Steven Rinehart. Some good stuff in this one.

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-mormon-steven-rinehart/

Enjoy!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 13, 2020, 03:37:16 AM
VERY interesting, Darren. Steven is so easy to listen to - he's a real professional radio guy.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: 377 on October 13, 2020, 08:28:14 AM
I was intrigued to discover how many amateur radio licensees there were in the Cooper Vortex. I, Georger, Snow, Sluggo and many others. Same for lawyers. I, Galen Cook, Richard Tosaw and now Steven Reinhardt among them. Incidentally, Reinhardt and I are members of the federal patent bar, both having passed the exam that allows us to practice before the USPTO in patent matters. Curious clusters of Cooperites sharing professions and hobbies.

Wonder what became of Galen’s planned book? The 50th anniversary of Cooper’s skyjack and various media productions will create a lot of new interest in the case. Good time to publish. 

377
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2020, 09:20:20 AM
I never had a ham license but did venture into the 10 meter bands back in the 80's. certain CB base radio's could be modified to go into 10 meters. the President Washington was the best. they had a PLL circuit (phase locked loop) that could be jumped giving hundreds of 10 meter freqs.

I had a VFO that could venture outside of 11 meters but not far and can't recall the frequencies reached. also had a Black Cat linear amplifier (2,000 watts) with a Maverick 250 to kick start the Black Cat. these were old school tube type. nothing could bet the quality of a tube amp. had a D-104 Golden Eagle desktop mic and a three element beam antenna. the fear of the FCC coming after you was starting to fade in the 80's. the only problems I had was bleeding over onto televisions in the area. made a lot of friends over the years through radio's. some continue to this day. then, much like the internet you had agitators. we built a direction finder and would locate them and "pin there coax" . when they keyed up the SWR's would be off the chart and fry the finals in the radio. these were guys who keyed up trying to "walk over you" or shut the channel down by keying the mic for hours. radio version of a troll.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 13, 2020, 06:36:06 PM
I too, had a Ham radio receiver. Never got a license, nor transmitter.

As for Galen and his book, I think it is on a serious hold. Two reasons - his law practice in mal med is lucrative and fascinating. More problematic, I think, is the mind set that Galen has had for years that he needs to solve the case before he publishes, and that circumstance is far over the horizon it appears. So, he's stuck.

There may also be a woman involved, but I'm not sure on that. Of course that doesn't stop me from gossiping!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: 377 on October 14, 2020, 04:38:23 AM
Enjoyed your account of “freebanding” Shutter. We used modified President Grants with external PLL frequency controllers on commercial fishing boats for close range SSB and AM comms. When bored during voyages to or from the fishing grounds we’d shoot skip and talk to fellow radio outlaws. We didn’t use linear amps. The salt water ground and resonant vertical dipole antenna usually did the job on the 5-10 watts from the transceiver finals. Agree with you on tube amps. They can take a beating that will blow out their temperamental solid state relatives.

Most hams despise CBers and freebanders. I don’t mind them at all. Their conversations are usually far more entertaining than your typical ham QSO. Some of them are technically sharp too. Of course there are the bucket mouth dummies but they provide some entertainment as well.

73,
AF6IM
aka 377
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Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 14, 2020, 09:05:52 AM
What do you mean by a external PLL. are you referring to a VFO (variable frequency oscillator) ? the PLL is in the board.

Was you shooting skip on SSB with no power? I remember SSB had more power than AM. you could tweak a radio and get a little more wattage out of it.  if conditions are right you can skip on 4 watts. I remember Sunday's were always a skip shooting day.

My buddy had the Washington. this guy can do anything with electronics. I met him on the radio in the late 70's and been close friends ever since. he was pegging my meter and found out he was less than a quarter mile away from me. my first radio was a TRC-30a from Radio shack. we bought it in the early 70's so it only had 23 channels. that's why he gave me a VFO. I could venture into the extra channels added to AM but could go beyond. nothing compared to what my buddy could do. I later ended up with bigger and better equipment in the 80's. if not mistaken only a few models of the president line had PL circuits?

I will be moving this conversation out of this thread later today..
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: 377 on October 14, 2020, 09:23:00 AM
To answer Shutter’s questions.

Yes, essentially a VFO but it was not a free running drifty oscillator. It used the rig’s PLL synthesizer chip and just expanded the frequency range beyond CB limits.

Yeah, worked skip without external amps. The advantage provided by a steel hull ground immersed in ocean water is substantial.

On the 20M ham band I’ve worked East Coast statins from CA using
2-4 watts SSB. Did it once under a parachute canopy. Listen to
this link. Click on the audio track above the W3IUU QSL card. https://parachutemobile.wordpress.com/?s=Lloyd&submit=Search

377






Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 14, 2020, 09:25:50 AM
Yes, shooting skip is all about conditions. I had a Radio Shack walkie talkie with 3 watts and got heard a couple times shooting skip..

I remember the term CQ DX for trying to contact anyone on ssb..

AM skip I would say "skip land, skip land, unit 305 in south Florida wavin' hello"
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: 377 on October 14, 2020, 09:32:36 AM
If Cooper had an accomplice on the ground he could have easily established contact during canopy descent using then available CB walkie talkies. Do you concur Shutter?

Other than the LD Cooper story, I recall no other claimed use of skyjacker radio comms has been made.

377
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 14, 2020, 09:35:55 AM
I would have to say it's possible. depends on the walkie talkie and conditions. the good one I had would only work good in open area's. houses killed the signal. another friend had the same radio shack walkie talkie and we could barely hear each other a half mile away. but we were inside.

During decent, yes...
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on October 14, 2020, 09:43:02 AM
The cheap walkie talkies had I believe a quarter watt. I had several as a kid and could barely reach the truckers behind us when we were on vacation traveling. I held up a sign asking him to turn to channel 14. that's the only channel they had.. :rofl:
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Parrotheadvol on November 01, 2020, 11:18:38 AM
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If Cooper had an accomplice on the ground he could have easily established contact during canopy descent using then available CB walkie talkies. Do you concur Shutter?

Other than the LD Cooper story, I recall no other claimed use of skyjacker radio comms has been made.

377

But would the accomplice have to be at least close to the LZ? If not, how far outside the LZ could he be to be able to have contact?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on November 01, 2020, 06:56:21 PM
The advantage is the altitude. the higher the better. this would be much better for 11 meter bands (CB radio) surrounding range. 10/20 meters (Ham) would probably work fine on the ground vs a CB radio..once on the ground it might be an issue if it's not a good CB walkie talkie but they would probably be able to communicate while coming down..
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: DBfan57 on November 14, 2020, 06:04:58 AM
On YouTube, the Cooper Vortex E6, (Cooper Is Alive), they go on about DNA at some point.  They say 3 comparisons have been done.  So with all the hype around Rackstraw and Reca why not compare their DNA to eliminate them?  Assuming they can be eliminated?  Or is it because they just do not have enough of it?   Those damn cigarettes. 

As far as to whether he can still be alive, its certainly possible, assuming the top suspects list is wrong and I personally have little faith in it.  But the clock is ticking and the window is close to shut, assuming the then young Mucklow and Shaffner were accurate in their guess of his age?  Best case mid 80s and worst case late 90s.  I would hope the money would give him motivation to take care of his health?  I hope he is alive.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on November 16, 2020, 06:18:02 PM
Marty's episode will be out very soon. Russell went to Mexico for his honeymoon, and my father-in-law died unexpectedly from cancer at 57 a week ago today, and now my mother-in-law is living in my office. It's been a rough few weeks.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: grapesofwrath on November 16, 2020, 08:03:15 PM
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Marty's episode will be out very soon. Russell went to Mexico for his honeymoon, and my father-in-law died unexpectedly from cancer at 57 a week ago today, and now my mother-in-law is living in my office. It's been a rough few weeks.

Family comes first. Best of luck with everything.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: andrade1812 on November 16, 2020, 08:34:17 PM
My deepest condolences to your family, Darren.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: haggarknew on November 17, 2020, 04:33:10 PM
Sorry for your loss Darren.  Look forward to seeing your episode Marty!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 18, 2020, 03:31:37 AM
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Marty's episode will be out very soon. Russell went to Mexico for his honeymoon, and my father-in-law died unexpectedly from cancer at 57 a week ago today, and now my mother-in-law is living in my office. It's been a rough few weeks.

Whew. My condolences, Darren.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: hannahlili on November 18, 2020, 10:36:39 PM
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Marty's episode will be out very soon. Russell went to Mexico for his honeymoon, and my father-in-law died unexpectedly from cancer at 57 a week ago today, and now my mother-in-law is living in my office. It's been a rough few weeks.

i'm so sorry, i hope your family is doing alright
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Parrotheadvol on November 18, 2020, 11:47:07 PM
Sorry to hear this Darren. Prayers for you family.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on November 25, 2020, 11:59:50 PM
Thank you all for the kind words. In exchange I give you Marty's episode!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-audience-questions-martin-andrade/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: andrade1812 on November 26, 2020, 12:47:28 PM
Thanks for the great episode, Darren,

Happy Thanksgiving all!
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: hannahlili on November 26, 2020, 09:08:20 PM
i really liked the episode and i learned a lot but do you think you might answer other questions or do a part two?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: andrade1812 on November 27, 2020, 09:41:55 AM
I might... ;)
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on November 29, 2020, 11:45:47 PM
Just listened to the second Marty Andrade episode. It is excellent.

Marty- I didn't know you have become such a student of the case! Your knowledge is deep and comprehensive - it was a pleasure listening to you and Darren riff on the case - the Heisson Store robbery, palm prints, your Dad's eccentricities and contributions to your Cooper book, and more. In addition, it was a delight to hear two guys who are radio pros - articulate, very few "umms," or "Ya know's." The field reporters on NPR radio could (should) take lessons from you and Darren.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: hannahlili on November 30, 2020, 10:41:33 PM
hey darren and martin, so i made my parents listen to the part in the new episode where you talked about how you don't think tina or any of the flight crew was in on it, because after watching some stupid show they believed that they were in on it and it was an inside job and was able to change their minds
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 01, 2020, 01:29:08 AM
Thank Gawd.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: andrade1812 on December 01, 2020, 11:04:57 AM
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Just listened to the second Marty Andrade episode. It is excellent.

Marty- I didn't know you have become such a student of the case! Your knowledge is deep and comprehensive - it was a pleasure listening to you and Darren riff on the case - the Heisson Store robbery, palm prints, your Dad's eccentricities and contributions to your Cooper book, and more. In addition, it was a delight to hear two guys who are radio pros - articulate, very few "umms," or "Ya know's." The field reporters on NPR radio could (should) take lessons from you and Darren.

I think I benefitted greatly from the editing process... Thanks regardless.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Parrotheadvol on December 01, 2020, 11:17:57 AM
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hey darren and martin, so i made my parents listen to the part in the new episode where you talked about how you don't think tina or any of the flight crew was in on it, because after watching some stupid show they believed that they were in on it and it was an inside job and was able to change their minds

There was a fictional TV show a few years back called "Leverage". One of the episodes was called "The D.B. Cooper Job". That was pretty much what they portrayed in that show. If I remember correctly Tina (don't recall if they used her real name or an alias), and Cooper were lovers and escaped with the money....until someone at the FBI figured it out years later. It was a pretty bad show. They even had Cooper wearing a hat during the hijacking, a Fedora if I remember correctly.

They make solving the case seem pretty damn easy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69gAVNMvvvY

Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: hannahlili on December 01, 2020, 09:00:31 PM
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hey darren and martin, so i made my parents listen to the part in the new episode where you talked about how you don't think tina or any of the flight crew was in on it, because after watching some stupid show they believed that they were in on it and it was an inside job and was able to change their minds

There was a fictional TV show a few years back called "Leverage". One of the episodes was called "The D.B. Cooper Job". That was pretty much what they portrayed in that show. If I remember correctly Tina (don't recall if they used her real name or an alias), and Cooper were lovers and escaped with the money....until someone at the FBI figured it out years later. It was a pretty bad show. They even had Cooper wearing a hat during the hijacking, a Fedora if I remember correctly.

They make solving the case seem pretty damn easy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69gAVNMvvvY

yes that was what they watched! and they made me watch it with them and i told them the whole time that it was inaccurate and they told me to be quiet when they barely know shit about db cooper other than the fact that he hijacked/jumped out of a plane. not that i have as much knowledge as you guys do since you guys have access to a lot more stuff than i do but i feel like i know a lot.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on December 13, 2020, 08:19:46 PM
New episode out now! DB Cooper was not successful with Chris “Chaucer” Cunningham. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-not-successful-chris-cunningham/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on December 13, 2020, 11:27:20 PM
A few things heard on the podcast..

The one thing me and Flyjack have always agreed on is the possibility the placard didn't come from 305. FJ found dozens of safety cards surrounding the rear stairs. none have been found showing the emergency release. recently, I noticed looking at the plane after it landed that the stairs were down and locked. had Cooper used the emergency system the stairs would no longer lock. then, FJ posted a picture showing the inside of the plane and the emergency system was not on 305. these are critical problems validating the placard came from 305.

The part found north of the placard was not described as fiberglass. it was described as a part and not a piece of a larger part.

The Air Force map. the Air Force had to track every plane in the sky marking them friend or foe. they also had the civilian radar that airports use across the country. I'm not sure where the data came from in actually plotting the map. the sage radar had limited memory but could recall an event.

Chris, don't be discouraged with presenting things. I know how you feel. I released the first files (302's) surrounding the flight crew and the response was nothing to speak about..
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on December 14, 2020, 12:20:31 AM
I think a lot of people overlook the fact of Cooper being a criminal. I think it was a Facebook post Marla Cooper made when someone asked her her Uncle being Cooper. her response was "isn't it great". personally, I find that offensive IMHO.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: georger on December 14, 2020, 02:19:47 AM
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New episode out now! DB Cooper was not successful with Chris “Chaucer” Cunningham. Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-was-not-successful-chris-cunningham/

Excellent job by both parties.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: dudeman17 on December 14, 2020, 04:49:15 AM
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FJ found dozens of safety cards surrounding the rear stairs. none have been found showing the emergency release. recently, I noticed looking at the plane after it landed that the stairs were down and locked. had Cooper used the emergency system the stairs would no longer lock. then, FJ posted a picture showing the inside of the plane and the emergency system was not on 305.

As I always say, I'm not a dedicated researcher, I don't read all the files and what-not, I have no reason to refute any of that research. However, something doesn't jive, and that is the 'pressure bump' from the door recoiling and slamming shut momentarily after Cooper jumps. If the door is still connected to the hydraulic system, then that would dampen the door's movement and prevent it from recoiling and slamming shut and creating that pressure bump. And that is exactly what is seen in that video you posted the other day from the Treat Williams movie. When the stunt guy jumps, the door doesn't slam shut, it just moves up a bit in the dampened fashion from being connected to the hydraulics. That there was the pressure bump from the door slamming shut when Cooper jumped would seem to indicate that it's disconnected from the hydraulics. But if that emergency disconnect doesn't exist on 305...   Not sure how to reconcile that.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Shutter on December 14, 2020, 09:23:51 AM
When you look at the test drop photo's the door doesn't close all the way either. speeds of 150 vs 170 could be a factor with the difference in recoil. we now have photo's from the inside and outside view of the stairs and the control box with no indication the emergency system was installed on 305. I'm guessing the stuntman was probably close to Coopers weight. some of the 727's added the feature later. even if the release was in the main control box we would see it in the interior photo's from the test flight. the crew was obviously in the front of the plane. the term slamming shut isn't an observation but one of sound and what could be heard and physically felt?

Another clip from the movie is just as interesting. it shows Robert Duvall pulling the stairs down and they don't lock. this implies the stairs were in a free fall position.

..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxPvp8mMYtE&ab_channel=LionsgateVOD
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Chaucer on December 14, 2020, 11:08:46 AM
It was an honor to be on the podcast. Darren was terrific, and I encourage any of you who have been invited to go on.

I'm hardly on the level of Cooper knowledge as the rest of you, and many of you are far more worthy of presenting your case than I am.

Since I don't have a suspect or theory I was hoping to use my episode to talk about the basic facts of the case and lay out what i think it the most likely scenario. As I said on the podcast, I'm prepared to be wrong.

Again, thank you, Darren.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: grapesofwrath on December 14, 2020, 06:40:03 PM
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I think a lot of people overlook the fact of Cooper being a criminal. I think it was a Facebook post Marla Cooper made when someone asked her her Uncle being Cooper. her response was "isn't it great". personally, I find that offensive IMHO.

Well said, Shutter. If my grandfather was being promoted as Cooper, I would be trying to clear his name, not spinning it as a positive. The Cooper case is extremely fascinating, but Cooper should not be venerated as a saint.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 14, 2020, 06:41:57 PM
Also, the Cooper family would have legal entanglements after the fact for hiding LD, or not talking to LE.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: andrade1812 on December 14, 2020, 09:21:23 PM
Good podcast, well down Chaucer and Darren.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Parrotheadvol on December 14, 2020, 09:28:08 PM
Good timing on this one as it gave me something to listen to on my drive to West Virginia today. I enjoyed. Chaucer has many of the same views as I do, but I greatly disagree with him and Darren on one thing: If given the choice, I'd much rather know who Cooper was as opposed to knowing everything that happened. If you know who he was, you would probably be able to fill in a lot of those blanks. Plus - and this is a huge plus - if we knew for certain who Cooper was, we wouldn't have to continually hear from the suspect pushers.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Lynn on December 15, 2020, 04:27:43 PM
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Marty's episode will be out very soon. Russell went to Mexico for his honeymoon, and my father-in-law died unexpectedly from cancer at 57 a week ago today, and now my mother-in-law is living in my office. It's been a rough few weeks.
My deepest condolences to your family, Darren.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: haggarknew on December 17, 2020, 05:28:24 PM
Finally got the time to listen to the podcast with Chaucer. Really enjoyed it! Great job Darren and Chaucer! Sorry I missed your post about the tie and the metallurgy. I would love to hear more about this.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on December 21, 2020, 08:07:56 PM
New episode out today - DB Cooper had already been covered with Brendan Koerner author of The Skies Belong Us.

Enjoy!

https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/e/db-cooper-had-already-been-covered-brendan-i-koerner/
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Chaucer on December 21, 2020, 09:49:01 PM
About time you had some decent guests on...
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 22, 2020, 03:43:28 AM
How about Tina? Bob Fuhriman? They were on the BBC thingy.

Or Larry Carr? He's our friend on Facebook. What are friends for, eh?
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: fcastle866 on December 22, 2020, 01:22:13 PM
Darren: Did Arthur Friedberg get back to you on if the serial numbers on bills were recorded right before they were destroyed?  At about 8:33 into the podcast he says he does not know if the Treasury does that.  He actually says that a couple of times.  He offers to get with the BEP (Bureau of Engraving and Printing) to confirm.  I know RB has had some contact with someone who works there and they say that serial numbers were not recorded.

I just listened to the podcast again.  I thought he was a great guest, and is clearly an expert on money.  However, he states a few times that he really does not know much about the Cooper case.  His theory hinges on the money being in as bad condition as the Ingram bills, and therefore these would raise a flag if they were spent. 

Not knowing if the BEP/Mint/Treasury etc. records serial numbers seems to create a gap.  He thinks the money would have shown up, but I did not hear any logic as to how someone would have actually found the bills, except when he mentions them being spent in huge lots.

I've talked to some money experts, and find them to be very useful in terms of things such as how many of each denomination were produced, how long money stays in circulation, where money could have been spent outside of the US, etc.  However, you can be an expert in money, but that still does not mean that people were looking hard for these bills.

I took some notes and can respond more at some point, but I'm mainly curious as to what he says about the serial numbers being recorded.
Title: Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
Post by: Darren on December 22, 2020, 03:35:27 PM
He did get back to me, the BEP didn't check serial numbers until the late 90s early 2000s. Even then it was still only a minority of the bills.