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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #90 on: October 08, 2020, 11:10:50 AM »
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New episode out today. DB Cooper was an Avenger with Harriette Sucher. Enjoy!

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I love the podcast Darren, but that was a tough listen, lol!

I'll second that. I've been loving these podcasts and have been listening to the episodes as soon as they come out. But I only made it about halfway through this one. Something about the zodiac killer hanging out of the plane by fishing line ... I checked out at that point lol.

But hey, you can't win 'em all haha. Keep these podcasts coming. Really been a big fan of them.
 
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #91 on: October 09, 2020, 12:46:41 PM »
Thanks for listening guys!

I was able to bully Marty Andrade into coming back on the show, and he's willing to take questions from the audience. Anyone here have any questions they'd like me to ask him on the show?
The Cooper Vortex - A Podcast about DB Cooper - Available on most podcast apps
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #92 on: October 09, 2020, 07:22:09 PM »
Sure, here ya go:

1. What is your assessment of the FBI's 45-year investigation?
2. What did the FBI do well, what not so well?
3. Fingerprints - why do you think this is such a boondoggle? What's you vote on how many, if any, prints the Feds have, what kind, and where they came from?
4. Flight Path - same questions.
5. What was it like writing a book with your Dad? Tell us EVERYTHING!!!  ....please....
6. What has been the attraction to DBC for you and your Dad?
 
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #93 on: October 10, 2020, 11:51:15 PM »
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Sure, here ya go:

1. What is your assessment of the FBI's 45-year investigation?
2. What did the FBI do well, what not so well?
3. Fingerprints - why do you think this is such a boondoggle? What's you vote on how many, if any, prints the Feds have, what kind, and where they came from?
4. Flight Path - same questions.
5. What was it like writing a book with your Dad? Tell us EVERYTHING!!!  ....please....
6. What has been the attraction to DBC for you and your Dad?

Actually, if you take the print snips in Shutter's Vault and paste them by date, it tells a chronological story and makes sense. Try it! 

11/25/71   Elimination prints from crew etal at Seattle.
11/25/71   Milnes to Campbell comment personal non lab opinion -
11/26/71   seats, phone, rear door area, seat head rest, etc processed for prints and forensic evidence at Reno - forwarded to Lab for examination.
11/26/71   Eleven useful prints plus partial palm print from plane ... (Lab opinion).
04/20/73   Latent Print Section reply to Knoxville request for print  comparison of their suspect.
10/9/75     Latent Print Section reply to Milwaukee request for print  comparison of their suspect.
04/11/77   File of Eight latent finger prints + partial palm print being used by Lab for all suspect comparisons.
11/16/78   prints entered into new automated computer graphics system for faster Lab turn-around and Field Office access.   

Where's the 'boondoggle' you allege ?
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #94 on: October 11, 2020, 03:19:42 AM »
The 302 that says the 11 prints taken at Reno were too smudged to be of value.
Then we have eight good ones somehow, out of 66 sets.

The math is off, etc.
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #95 on: October 11, 2020, 11:23:06 AM »
I just had a document that I can't find and will have to search it out in the last 302. they make a claim of 70 prints in that document. I'm not sure how these numbers change over time. a lot of cold cases get solved looking into the old files. it makes it harder when they don't match.
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #96 on: October 11, 2020, 01:41:04 PM »
Make that approx. 80 prints..
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #97 on: October 11, 2020, 01:48:24 PM »
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Make that approx. 80 prints..

Thats 5/16/78 so did it come from Part 51 ?  You might want to stick that in the Vault ...

Every page in every pdf has a Part #, Page #, and at the bottom of each page lower right is an FBI number: example DB Cooper 20606 which happens to be D.B. Cooper PDF number: Part 50 of 50- page 013.

Without these numbers nobody can find anything!   
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #98 on: October 11, 2020, 02:45:17 PM »
How to pack and unpack an FBI FOIA pdf:

The FBI has Adobe software that photographs every FD-302 page in a release and assembles these photos/pages into a pdf. 

Each pdf has a release number, like "Part 51" , and each page/photo in the pdf has a page number, say 031.

In the bottom right hand corner of every page is an FBI filing number, like "DB Cooper 21209".

To unpack an FOIA pdf, use Adobe or similar software that extracts each individual page/photo from the pdf and dumps these photos into a folder. Each extracted page will have a unique number like: "D.B. Cooper Part 51 of 51-104".

Here is an example attached. Note the pdf Part # and page # extracted from pdf Part 51. In the lower right hand corner of this page is the FBI filing number for this page which is: DB Cooper 21209.

I hope this helps! 

Without going through this process and a common set of references to FBI 302s, searching them and referencing them is going to be stuck in total confusion from here on out. Its your choice! There has to be a common filing system everyone uses.  ;) 

Software is your friend in this matter! At minimum, all references to 302 pages should include (a) Part number, and (b) FBI filing number found in the lower right hand corner of every page. Those two numbers alone will help people find the FOIA release number and 302 people are referencing . . . this is why snippets from 302 pages are nearly a waste of time.   
 
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #99 on: October 11, 2020, 05:46:22 PM »
Here is the claim of 70 prints...
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #100 on: October 11, 2020, 06:50:29 PM »
I realize the numbering on the PDF's..some are older that were not dated and when I post a file nothing is left out from the pages above or below or I include them in my comments..
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #101 on: October 11, 2020, 11:43:05 PM »
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Here is the claim of 70 prints...

Here is the whole 302 ...
 

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« Reply #102 on: October 12, 2020, 12:25:21 AM »
Correct, and it has several other things on it not related to the prints. that was the subject or topic of that post. if I wanted to involve the DNA into the comment I would of posted all the info that was there...even the 302's are partial and subjects resurface 50 pages into the PDF.
 

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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #103 on: October 12, 2020, 01:50:38 AM »
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Correct, and it has several other things on it not related to the prints. that was the subject or topic of that post. if I wanted to involve the DNA into the comment I would of posted all the info that was there...even the 302's are partial and subjects resurface 50 pages into the PDF.

Im not criticising, just commenting. It sounds like 70 prints or specimens were in need of processing ? And they wanted to try a new automated system..    What have they doing between 1971 and 1998 ? A lot of suspects have been eliminated based on some core set of prints, some 7 or 8 in number in the old system? What makes the new automated system better? ... 
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Re: The Cooper Vortex Podcast
« Reply #104 on: October 12, 2020, 06:31:13 AM »
The old system was done by hand or eye in this case. that must of backed the up considerably. probably like the DNA today. they have to wait a period for the results. the new system gets fed into a computer that comes up with the hits.
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