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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4575 on: December 06, 2020, 05:47:11 PM »
Thanks, Lynn, I'm glad you posted this. It's important in my view, and gives us perspective on traumas - how many layers there are. Gawd, coming into a classroom and finding chopsticks standing straight in a bowl of rice? Whew. Or have 20% of a city homeless. Your account gives meaningful depth to the idea of PTSD.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4576 on: December 20, 2020, 05:47:57 PM »
Throwing in my 2 cents. If this case is ever solved we will come to realize that some of the currently accepted "facts" about this case have been wrong. From physical description, eye color etc. or even other aspects regarding what actually transpired on the plane. There is much more information we are not aware of as I do not believe the FBI has released all files regarding this case. Also take in consideration that everyones personal perspective or observations were a bit conflicting regarding what they saw or experienced. It happens. Besides you cannot conclude that the FBI did everything correctly. They make mistakes. Maybe information from witnesses were not recorded as accurately as possible. Witnesses explain something to an agent and then later the agent translate this information with their own perspective and assumptions.  Tina M. should be treated just like any piece of evidence. She doesnt talk to anyone could be contributed to FBI requesting she not reveal any information that could affect the case. She spent many hours alone with him and that information has not be revealed by the FBI for good reason. FBI were eliminating suspects just based on resemblance to the sketch of DB. Not a very good way to conclude someone didnt commit the crime.  Only if we are willing to go back and be willing to admit that not everything we know about the case is as correct as we think. Anybody ever think that maybe DB was actually given 2 exact pioneer shutes. Is it possible that would help suspects who confess to the crime by claiming they jumped with a military shute. We do know that Earl Cossey was used by the FBI to provide a scenario that DB couldnt of survived. Could they of also requested him to claim a military shute was provided. Im just giving an example of how we probably do not know the all of he correct facts.
 
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« Reply #4577 on: December 20, 2020, 07:32:00 PM »
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Throwing in my 2 cents. If this case is ever solved we will come to realize that some of the currently accepted "facts" about this case have been wrong. From physical description, eye color etc. or even other aspects regarding what actually transpired on the plane. There is much more information we are not aware of as I do not believe the FBI has released all files regarding this case. Also take in consideration that everyones personal perspective or observations were a bit conflicting regarding what they saw or experienced. It happens. Besides you cannot conclude that the FBI did everything correctly. They make mistakes. Maybe information from witnesses were not recorded as accurately as possible. Witnesses explain something to an agent and then later the agent translate this information with their own perspective and assumptions.  Tina M. should be treated just like any piece of evidence. She doesnt talk to anyone could be contributed to FBI requesting she not reveal any information that could affect the case. She spent many hours alone with him and that information has not be revealed by the FBI for good reason. FBI were eliminating suspects just based on resemblance to the sketch of DB. Not a very good way to conclude someone didnt commit the crime.  Only if we are willing to go back and be willing to admit that not everything we know about the case is as correct as we think. Anybody ever think that maybe DB was actually given 2 exact pioneer shutes. Is it possible that would help suspects who confess to the crime by claiming they jumped with a military shute. We do know that Earl Cossey was used by the FBI to provide a scenario that DB couldnt of survived. Could they of also requested him to claim a military shute was provided. Im just giving an example of how we probably do not know the all of he correct facts.
I don't think that we or the FBI know all the facts. If they did Cooper would have been found dead or alive.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4578 on: December 21, 2020, 02:11:37 AM »
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... Anybody ever think that maybe DB was actually given 2 exact pioneer shutes....


Yup. Me.
 
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« Reply #4579 on: January 24, 2021, 07:27:56 PM »
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Throwing in my 2 cents. If this case is ever solved we will come to realize that some of the currently accepted "facts" about this case have been wrong. From physical description, eye color etc. or even other aspects regarding what actually transpired on the plane. There is much more information we are not aware of as I do not believe the FBI has released all files regarding this case. Also take in consideration that everyones personal perspective or observations were a bit conflicting regarding what they saw or experienced. It happens. Besides you cannot conclude that the FBI did everything correctly. They make mistakes. Maybe information from witnesses were not recorded as accurately as possible. Witnesses explain something to an agent and then later the agent translate this information with their own perspective and assumptions.  Tina M. should be treated just like any piece of evidence. She doesnt talk to anyone could be contributed to FBI requesting she not reveal any information that could affect the case. She spent many hours alone with him and that information has not be revealed by the FBI for good reason. FBI were eliminating suspects just based on resemblance to the sketch of DB. Not a very good way to conclude someone didnt commit the crime.  Only if we are willing to go back and be willing to admit that not everything we know about the case is as correct as we think. Anybody ever think that maybe DB was actually given 2 exact pioneer shutes. Is it possible that would help suspects who confess to the crime by claiming they jumped with a military shute. We do know that Earl Cossey was used by the FBI to provide a scenario that DB couldnt of survived. Could they of also requested him to claim a military shute was provided. Im just giving an example of how we probably do not know the all of he correct facts.
Agree, partly based in the couple in the old DBC doc with Leonard Nimoy whose interviews do not appear in released documents. Either they publicly lied, knowing the FBI could embarrassingly contradict them (which they didn't), they didn't tell the FBI what they saw at the time and then publicly admitted to obstructing justice, or they were telling the truth and their files have been withheld. And I do think the parachute confusion may be the FBI holding back something only DBC would know for sure, but that is pure conjecture, of course.
 

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« Reply #4580 on: January 24, 2021, 07:38:26 PM »
Finally, someone is accepting the possibility that Norman Hayden is telling the truth and DBC received two identical Steinthaul/Pioneers.

Thanks, Slick and Lynn.

BTW, Lynn, I'm getting past my judgmental attitudes and reading your book... late at night in bed when my eyeballs can't take anymore Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, etc.... My head is spinning as the timelines are shifting... whew...
 
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« Reply #4581 on: January 24, 2021, 07:44:45 PM »
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Finally, someone is accepting the possibility that Norman Hayden is telling the truth and DBC received two identical Steinthaul/Pioneers.

Thanks, Slick and Lynn.

BTW, Lynn, I'm getting past my judgmental attitudes and reading your book... late at night in bed when my eyeballs can't take anymore Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, etc.... My head is spinning as the timelines are shifting... whew...
Aww, l hope it's not too confusing. The next book will be in draft 2 soon to make it less labyrinthine, but time travel is always a bit that way, lol. I remember a few Star Trek episodes that left me pondering time for hours, lol. Were the judgmental attitudes to do with the two engines on the cover? The publisher did all that, I take no responsibility, lol. I too have been glued to some old shows on the various providers - Golden Girls, Mannix, The Mod Squad, Family Affair, Mary Tyler Moore, and 3rd Rock from the Sun most recently. Did binge some other shows - Better Call Saul, Kim's Convenience, Dead to Me - but have been nostalgic. Currently celebrating the memory of Gregory Sierra with my Barney Miller box set.
 

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« Reply #4582 on: January 24, 2021, 07:56:00 PM »
One would think that my mystical mind-set would be able to follow a few switcheroonies between multiverses. Sigh. But, I'm about to tip-toe into the chapter on double personas. Yabba-dabba-do!

Will the Universal Now be far behind????
 
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« Reply #4583 on: January 25, 2021, 07:11:57 PM »
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One would think that my mystical mind-set would be able to follow a few switcheroonies between multiverses. Sigh. But, I'm about to tip-toe into the chapter on double personas. Yabba-dabba-do!

Will the Universal Now be far behind????
Well, it's all fantasy, as they're going back in time. Time travel forward would be possible if we could go fast enough. Backwards is a different matter, would require proven wormholes or something. But I love thinking about it. Would come with some ethical dilemmas - the next book, which involves a past murder, gets slightly more into that. Would you avoid changing the past knowing you could alter the future in unknown ways? Or do you treat the past as your new "now"? I'm clumsy, so the latter would likely be inevitable. ;)
 

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« Reply #4584 on: January 26, 2021, 02:52:57 AM »
The multiverse theory of reality, as I understand it, is that there are an infinite number of possible universes. Further, the Universal Now suggests that all realities are happening concurrently in one "now." Hence, time travel into the future is as doable as going into the past, as they are both different aspects of now. As a result, there are an infinite number of "you," all living at once in the "now." Therefore, the notion of "past lives" and "re"-incarnation are not exactly accurate.

Personally, I believe I am changing my past and my future all the time. In fact, I consider that a manifestation of evolution. In a sense, evolution dissolves the past and the future.
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« Reply #4585 on: January 26, 2021, 11:15:00 AM »
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The multiverse theory of reality, as I understand it, is that there are an infinite number of possible universes. Further, the Universal Now suggests that all realities are happening concurrently in one "now." Hence, time travel into the future is as doable as going into the past, as they are both different aspects of now. As a result, there are an infinite number of "you," all living at once in the "now." Therefore, the notion of "past lives" and "re"-incarnation are not exactly accurate.

Personally, I believe I am changing my past and my future all the time. In fact, I consider that a manifestation of evolution. In a sense, evolution dissolves the past and the future.

Not so fast Bruce.

One of the ramifications of the General Energy Equation is that there is a starting point and that there will be an ending point for the Universe.  This contradicts the Theory of Evolution and a lot of people don't like that.

But who knows what Quantum Theory will develop into.
 

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« Reply #4586 on: January 26, 2021, 04:23:36 PM »
Ah, but what creates energy?

Wouldn't it be something if consciousness controls everything?
 

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« Reply #4587 on: January 26, 2021, 05:53:24 PM »
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Finally, someone is accepting the possibility that Norman Hayden is telling the truth and DBC received two identical Steinthaul/Pioneers.

I don't think it's a matter of whether Hayden was telling the truth about the rigs he supplied. I think it's a matter of whether anyone else (Cossey?) also supplied back rigs, and if so, which two were actually given to Cooper. Two things to consider - One, Hayden got his other rig back. If that was the one given to Cooper and left on the plane, I can't see the FBI giving that back. Considering how they deal with other evidence, I would think that they would keep it. Two, Flyjack has shown evidence that the serial numbers do not match between the back rig left on the plane and the one Hayden got back. That would indicate that they are not the same rig.
 

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« Reply #4588 on: January 27, 2021, 02:49:12 AM »
Yeah, Fly makes a point about serial numbers not matching up, but they don't appear to me to be the  same kind of identification numbers. I'm not sure what they are. Fly may be correct, and the two chutes are different.

As for Hayden getting his chute back, it wasn't easy and the feds didn't want to let go of it. Norman had to take them to court - in DC - and it cost him. Justice ain't cheap.

Yes, Cossey may have given the back chutes to Norjak. The only problem with Coss is that he lied all the time to me. And hung up on me....

Bottom Line: we don't know conclusively which mains were delivered to Cooper.
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« Reply #4589 on: January 28, 2021, 01:49:52 PM »
I want to let everyone know that Sheridan Peterson passed away January 8th, 2021 in Santa Rosa. He was 94.
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