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« Reply #4545 on: November 25, 2020, 03:05:43 PM »
Lots and lots of photo's can be similar to Cooper.. according to Skipp she did say he looked similar.

So does Bing Crosby?

LD Cooper looks very similar to Flo's sketch she had made.
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« Reply #4546 on: November 25, 2020, 03:19:59 PM »
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I may be incorrect here, but didn't Schaffner at one point remark on Kenny's similarity to DB?


Yup. Flo reportedly told Geoffrey Gray that the pix he showed her of Kenny was "the closest resemblance of any" she had seen up to that point, or words to that effect.

But that statement has never been corroborated. Flo stopped talking shortly thereafter (2009) and now she is The Silent One of flight 305.
 
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« Reply #4547 on: November 25, 2020, 03:22:56 PM »
So it wasn't Skipp?
 

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« Reply #4548 on: November 25, 2020, 06:09:48 PM »
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So it wasn't Skipp?

Nope.

As far as I know, Skipp did not interview anyone in Norjak. He did speak with Lyle, but that's it.
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« Reply #4549 on: November 25, 2020, 07:00:29 PM »
Been a while since I read the article. Skipp basically was a paid messenger.

Lyle apparently tried multiple times with the FBI and failed then decided to go with a movie. seems to be about the same over a decade later  C:-)
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« Reply #4550 on: November 25, 2020, 09:01:52 PM »
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One of the frustrations in responding to you is so many things you say are easily refutable.  If you look at the scene with Tina in the history channel, they DID show her other suspects.  You can easily pick out a photo of LD Cooper.  Can't identify the other photos, but it's pretty clear it wasn't just Rackstraw she saw photos of.

It's not just the fact of other suspects on the table. Tina likely watched the show she was part of and would have seen the small segment on Kenny. who know's what they asked her off screen. Kenny has had a fair share of exposure television wise and none of the passengers or crew have said anything. Decoded has repeated multiple times as well as the History channel programs. convincing producers is one thing. getting actual evidence from these shows is another. the silence speaks for itself in most cases. lets not forget about law enforcement watching as well.

Every producer who makes a DB Cooper show would LOVE to solve the case.  I imagine they showed Tina as many suspect's photos as they could.

That quote was from me on DZ.  Couldn't help myself and responded to Robert Blevins.  It was clear to me after reading his comments on the History Channel show, he didn't actually watch it.  Just like when Marla's story came out, he could bear to come to the DB Cooper symposium because he didn't want to hear what she might say.  Arguing with him is like beating your head against the wall.
 

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« Reply #4551 on: November 25, 2020, 09:14:26 PM »
I'm pretty sure he watched it. wasn't that the show he believed Lyle answered the door in the program that turned out being Sheridan. then Kenny only got a small segment of airtime so he went into defensive mode blasting the production company for being raided by the IRS or the FBI?
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« Reply #4552 on: November 25, 2020, 09:17:13 PM »
I still feel even after all these years that the stews would gasp for air if an actual photo was shown of Cooper. I think it would trigger the memory back in check. have you ever looked at old yearbooks doing the same?
 

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« Reply #4553 on: November 25, 2020, 09:20:46 PM »
I lost my yearbook from Ohio before we moved to Florida in the late 70's. I didn't see a yearbook from my school until I went on classmates.com back in 2005 ish and seen my old classmates. all the memories came flooding back. that's what I believe would happen with the stews..no, maybe, possibly, or could be. it would be...that's him!
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« Reply #4554 on: November 25, 2020, 09:56:12 PM »
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I'm pretty sure he watched it. wasn't that the show he believed Lyle answered the door in the program that turned out being Sheridan. then Kenny only got a small segment of airtime so he went into defensive mode blasting the production company for being raided by the IRS or the FBI?

Maybe you're right.  How many people (including some very smart people who should know better) just see what they want to see and roll it over in their mind until it's something it's unrecognizable.

Kenny was an interesting case......when Robert's book first came out, the introduction said Kenny lived a different life after the hijacking than before.  He bought a house for cash and died with an estate worth almost $200,000.  It didn't take much digging (Shutter, I think you did the first part with some property records online) to discover none of that was true.  Not only did he not buy the house for cash -- he assumed an existing loan and gave a note to the seller --  he likely put up no cash at all.  And, he sold some wooded land he bought years before the hijacking for $300,000 before he died.   Even as his whole premise was obliterated, Robert still believes.    Robert is not alone in that...You see that with Trump haters, and Clinton haters and Obama haters.  And not just crazies but respected people who just so want to believe.  And, you think, they're smart.  Just lay out the facts, and they'll see.  But nope.
 

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« Reply #4555 on: November 25, 2020, 10:13:14 PM »
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I'm pretty sure he watched it. wasn't that the show he believed Lyle answered the door in the program that turned out being Sheridan. then Kenny only got a small segment of airtime so he went into defensive mode blasting the production company for being raided by the IRS or the FBI?

Maybe you're right.  How many people (including some very smart people who should know better) just see what they want to see and roll it over in their mind until it's something it's unrecognizable.

Kenny was an interesting case......when Robert's book first came out, the introduction said Kenny lived a different life after the hijacking than before.  He bought a house for cash and died with an estate worth almost $200,000.  It didn't take much digging (Shutter, I think you did the first part with some property records online) to discover none of that was true.  Not only did he not buy the house for cash -- he assumed an existing loan and gave a note to the seller --  he likely put up no cash at all.  And, he sold some wooded land he bought years before the hijacking for $300,000 before he died.   Even as his whole premise was obliterated, Robert still believes.    Robert is not alone in that...You see that with Trump haters, and Clinton haters and Obama haters.  And not just crazies but respected people who just so want to believe.  And, you think, they're smart.  Just lay out the facts, and they'll see.  But nope.

i found the deed to the house but was watching him post the mortgage papers while claiming he paid cash. then the money for the property he purchased years before the hijacking. Kenny apparently was good with money. living alone he didn't struggle from what I can see. his pay had to be different as well since they were paid differently. he was probably angry like the rest with the strikes. millions of people don't like there jobs.

Showing these documents angered him to no end. he kept asking for people to check, so we did? it is what it is..
 

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« Reply #4556 on: November 27, 2020, 01:25:06 PM »
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WRONG, read the file. KC was investigated in 2004

I pointing this out to you several times, you have ignored it and keep making false claims. What is wrong with you, if somebody said there was info on Hahneman I'd be all over it. Why are you ignoring it?

i agree with this. Kenny was investigated. it appears not to be enough to satisfy Bobby. his military records were pulled, they attempted to look at his employment that hasn't been disclosed as of yet. an interview took place and is in a file. Kenny was known to them since the late 90's.

Robert has completely ignored the whole matter. even Lyle lying. he appears to be too busy thinking about camping in the woods that he thinks is all about investigating DB Cooper.

A lot of times law enforcement doesn't buy into the stories people tell you about a suspect. especially someone remembering a fraction of time 45 plus years ago with no real reason to recall the event.

You might want to start actually looking into the files and actually investigating Kenny vs what people are telling you about him and believing everything they say! Lyle had to hide the whole matter from his family because they thought it was nonsense.

Robert has also sent the FBI two PDF files with all of his evidence. they read ALL leads..every last one and you still didn't get there attention.
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« Reply #4557 on: November 28, 2020, 12:17:56 AM »
ten dollars for consideration DOESN'T mean he paid that amount. you have been told a dozen time over. $10 and $! is often used for the simple fact of the actual price is nobody's business and those amounts are put into place. the mortgage was only $18 a month and Kenny probably didn't care to bother paying it off quickly. you clearly don't know anything about mortgages and promissory notes.

You sent this information twice to the FBI making you look bad for not researching real estate sales enough to know what is what.

This quote has been shown to you dozens of times and like the 302's you ignore it.

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The ten dollars is the "peppercorn" that provides concrete consideration and ensures that the contract is valid, while the actual amount paid for the house is hidden and referred to only as the "other good and valuable consideration."

The average mortgage for that period was around $120 a month. Kenny made a good deal like he always has with property according to records and his background of making money. you keep trying to put mystery into shit you don't even understand. you can't pull the wool over banks or mortgage companies either..

You seem to have a lot of spare time. perhaps you could do something honest for a change like removing all the factual error's in your book you so proudly admit to profiting from. it's 100% beyond a shadow of doubt wrong, especially if the author knows it's wrong and should of been corrected YEARS ago!
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« Reply #4558 on: November 28, 2020, 02:03:21 AM »
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Kenny takes almost twenty years to pay off the original mortgage, the first half of the price of the home. If anyone were to question him about it, he can say he only pays $90 a month for the property. This would deflect any suspicion he was spending beyond his means.


Wrong again, the FBI would simply contact the mortgage company and see the arrangement made with the purchase. everything would be known by them. they are the lenders and by law it has to be on the up and up. the whole deal would have to be private to try and get away with anything. the county is made aware of deals as well. it's not as easy as you keep thinking it is playing around with real estate. there is a reason they have records? even if you sell a house way under the value will hurt the homes around that house. again, he was paying $18 a month. it did hurt him in the long run but ended up paying it off fully after selling the other property he had. ended up being a nice little nest egg.

I don't know if the mortgage was a fixed rate or not. it probably increased over time. even 20 years at $18 wasn't enough. then you have interest.

The FBI or any law enforcement does the same as we do by checking backgrounds and finances..
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« Reply #4559 on: November 28, 2020, 11:05:08 AM »
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Anytime you or Shutter figure out ALL the details on how someone managed to buy a 15K house without a down payment on record...for a mere $7,500...and explain away a Promissory Note without a paper record in the transaction...you'll be sure to let me know.

Robert, you haven't figured out anything. all the records are not online to just tell you exactly what happened. even Mark tried to find more records years back. you make a lot of assumptions and turn them into fact. you didn't ask the real estate agent the right questions if you continue to state property was purchased for $10. how do you know he didn't take over the payments of what was owed? you don't have all the records, period. the down payment is between the mortgage company and the parties involved. you clearly don't have all the records or we would know exactly what transpired. Pierce count doesn't have them anymore. Cowlitz county doesn't have any record of the placard. unfortunately, time removes things. it's funny how you respond to the samethings I spoke of with mortgage companies on the up and up.

Not one person has said anything bad about your camping trip. if you are referring to what is said on the Mountains news, then say that and leave everyone else out of your drama! I decided not to tie up the thread over there especially when you already take that job. Dropzone has one thread that is suppose to be about DB Cooper. you make it about everyone else with Cooper in the background. you once again assume and resort to personal attacks!

Robert, did you attend or promote anything Eric did. please explain how you believe we should return any favors your way when you constantly speak negative about people. 95% of your dropzone comments are just that? did you separate personal from business? you have personally attacked him for the last couple years, including "poison pen tactics"

UPDATE: If you actually read the mortgage papers it's not the actual payment of $16 a month for the property. it's for the monthly taxes and insurance renewal premiums. the agreed price of the actual payments is on the "notes" the $16 a month is credit and goes in a reserve account. did the agent point that out to you like they should of with the $10 for consideration? depending on what he put down, if any, his payments were probably around $100 a month if he paid the full value and didn't take over payments..

The main difference between a promissory note and a mortgage is that a promissory note is the written agreement containing the details of the mortgage loan, whereas a mortgage is a loan that is secured by real property. A promissory note is often referred to as a mortgage note and is the document generated and signed at closing.
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