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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4410 on: September 11, 2020, 08:46:35 PM »
Yup, and Tina might know things she doesn't realize are important, too.

At the moment, the big question I have for Tina AND the FBI is why they were tailing Tina and her husband in the mid-1970s. I spoke with Alan a couple of weeks ago and he confirmed that they were followed on multiple occasions. He is convinced they were FBI, but doesn't know if it was for surveillance or protection.

Getting some kind of conversation going with Tina is going to take something along the lines of Divine Intervention. Somebody, somehow who can earn her trust in a legitimate way, and help her open up about Norjak. Yes, Allison Berg got her on to the HC set, and as great an accomplishment as that was, it only touched the tip of the iceberg. Neither Allison, nor her boss at LMNO, Ted Skillman, really pushed the issues - why the silence, did she really talk with Byron H. Brown, what happened on 305 during the re-fueling, her relationship with the FBI, their surveillance, her medical status in 1979, what was Cooper really like, etc.

Gawd, the HC had such a gold mine at their fingertips - Bill Rataczak, Tina, Tom Fuentes, John Detlor, Robert Fuhriman, Himmelsbach, and they got so distracted by the Colbert-Rackstraw show. That might be the real legacy of "DB Cooper - Case Closed?" So many principals, so little probing....

...was it intentional? Orchestrated? Hmmm...
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« Reply #4411 on: September 11, 2020, 08:57:08 PM »
Who talked her into coming on the show?
 

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« Reply #4412 on: September 11, 2020, 09:16:39 PM »
One could speculate that not a whole lot of leads were coming in and they possibly looked at Tina since she spent so much time with him..they might of looked at the whole crew as they do family members in a murder case..
 

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« Reply #4413 on: September 11, 2020, 09:33:31 PM »
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Yup, and Tina might know things she doesn't realize are important, too.

She was decently thorough during the initial interviews, but her silence and reclusive lifestyle are confusing at best and tend to make her look suspicious. An innocent individual, regardless of their desire to be left alone, would should want to clear their name. The modicum of doubt surrounding her innocence will only grow stronger with silence.
 

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« Reply #4414 on: September 11, 2020, 09:40:34 PM »
You have to keep in mind she was constantly called upon to look at photo's answer questions. the media was probably ringing her phone off the wall for sometime..some people don't like the attention..celebrities act similar...
 

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« Reply #4415 on: September 11, 2020, 10:59:11 PM »
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Who talked her into coming on the show?

Allison Berg. Allison said that she simply sent Tina a letter explaining the show wanted to tell a full story on Cooper, and she said yes.

Sounds a little too easy, eh?
 

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« Reply #4416 on: September 11, 2020, 11:00:28 PM »
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You have to keep in mind she was constantly called upon to look at photo's answer questions. the media was probably ringing her phone off the wall for sometime..some people don't like the attention..celebrities act similar...

Yup, it begs the question why she never hired a publicist to handle all the attention, or why NWO didn't provide her with that service.

I've volunteered to be her press agent, but I haven't heard back....
 

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« Reply #4417 on: September 11, 2020, 11:02:28 PM »
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Yup, and Tina might know things she doesn't realize are important, too.

She was decently thorough during the initial interviews, but her silence and reclusive lifestyle are confusing at best and tend to make her look suspicious. An innocent individual, regardless of their desire to be left alone, would should want to clear their name. The modicum of doubt surrounding her innocence will only grow stronger with silence.

I think her silence is deeply rooted in her effort to protect herself. But protected from whom and what remains undetermined.

One clue may be her religiosity. What woman carries a bible to work everyday? And why???

A side note: I just found out that Tina converted from Lutheran to Catholic in 1977. Not sure what it means, if anything, but I do find it interesting.
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« Reply #4418 on: September 22, 2020, 12:40:37 AM »
Tom's tie results may have redefined the Cooper suspect list ... of course Tom's work did not happen until 40 years after the hijacking and 1000s of suspects already processed... there are no proposed suspects who could remotely pass given today's evidence, or explain the particles found on Tom's tie! 

When Tom released his tie particle list years ago someone asked me if I knew of any suspects who fit Tom's tie results. My immediate answer was: I dont know of any; ask Tom. Since that time the FBI has released thousands of FBI files, full of suspect accounts which anyone can examine.

Keep in mind, prior to Tom's work the FBI had no reason to profile their suspects with Tom's lab results in mind. It turns out now the FBI had examined several people with ties to the nuclear industry, for example! This is only coming to light now as FBI FOIA files are examined.   

I will post more about this later but here is a clipping from one report involving a suspect being examined in March of 1980. This suspect had ties to the nuclear industry. At the time the FBI would have had no reason to give this suspect special attention!

Why is the FBI looking at people in the nuclear industry at all, in 1980 ? Is this fortuitous - coincidence ?

The fact is, the FBI looked at a number of people who had unique vitas/qualifications compared to the general population. None of the people generally suggested in Cooper forums even begins to match unique and highly qualified people the FBI considered and eliminated, based on the criteria the FBI had at the time!  ;)

Example: could McCoy or Coffelt's possessions have produced and matched the particles Tom found on the Cooper tie !? Not likely. Assume for a moment Cooper did not buy his tie at Goodwill but that it was his personal property! Did the FBI brush shoulders with the real Cooper and eliminated him for lack of proper evidence?

More later - - -       
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« Reply #4419 on: September 23, 2020, 12:47:29 AM »
I'd like to present a suspect. I have no idea if he's Cooper or not. In fact, his height probably eliminates him immediately. Nevertheless, it's worth a shot. I don't think he's been mentioned here, but maybe once quickly.

William Henry Ellis
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His picture is definitely worth a double take. Moreover, there are very few details regarding his background or disappearance. The guy is a ghost. Not even newspaper articles about him.

Weirdly, there is a man by nearly the same name who died in 2015. His obituary said that he had been a resident of Vancouver, Washington since 1971. His birthday? June 3rd. The same day this guy vanished.

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« Reply #4420 on: September 23, 2020, 12:53:12 AM »
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I'd like to present a suspect. I have no idea if he's Cooper or not. In fact, his height and eye color probably eliminate him immediately. Nevertheless, it's worth a shot. I don't think he's been mentioned here, but maybe once quickly.

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His picture is definitely worth a double take. Moreover, there are very few details regarding his background or disappearance. The guy is a ghost. Not even newspaper articles about him.

Weirdly, there is a man by nearly the same name who died in 2015. His obituary said that he had been a resident of Vancouver, Washington since 1971. His birthday? June 3rd. The same day this guy vanished.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4421 on: September 23, 2020, 10:18:47 AM »
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I'd like to present a suspect. I have no idea if he's Cooper or not. In fact, his height probably eliminates him immediately. Nevertheless, it's worth a shot. I don't think he's been mentioned here, but maybe once quickly.

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His picture is definitely worth a double take. Moreover, there are very few details regarding his background or disappearance. The guy is a ghost. Not even newspaper articles about him.

Weirdly, there is a man by nearly the same name who died in 2015. His obituary said that he had been a resident of Vancouver, Washington since 1971. His birthday? June 3rd. The same day this guy vanished.

I think the obituary thing is a eery coincidence. He's also shorter and lighter than Cooper's description, but the accuracy of the physical description is debatable. Discovering this guy makes me reconsider if the FBI searched missing persons as diligently as they claim, although it's possible he was discounted because of his physical attributes.
 

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« Reply #4422 on: September 23, 2020, 10:38:19 AM »
I agree with you on the obituary. I think it’s merely a case of patternicity, but I think it’s worth exploring.

Also agree that he was dismissed by the authorities because of his height.

Still, there are cases of people who went missing but weren’t reported until much later. In doing some research I ran across a guy named across a guy named Roger Carlson whose car was found abandoned near the Golden Gate Bridge in 1970, but wasn't officially reported as missing until 2008 - mostly because was Native American.

 

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« Reply #4423 on: September 23, 2020, 10:58:08 PM »
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I agree with you on the obituary. I think it’s merely a case of patternicity, but I think it’s worth exploring.

Also agree that he was dismissed by the authorities because of his height.

Still, there are cases of people who went missing but weren’t reported until much later. In doing some research I ran across a guy named across a guy named Roger Carlson whose car was found abandoned near the Golden Gate Bridge in 1970, but wasn't officially reported as missing until 2008 - mostly because was Native American.

I agree with you 100%. More popular missing persons cases that have been connected with Cooper (such as Lepsy and Wilson) went unreported for many years. The FBI probably only looked at reported cases.
 

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« Reply #4424 on: September 23, 2020, 11:46:48 PM »
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I agree with you on the obituary. I think it’s merely a case of patternicity, but I think it’s worth exploring.

Also agree that he was dismissed by the authorities because of his height.

Still, there are cases of people who went missing but weren’t reported until much later. In doing some research I ran across a guy named across a guy named Roger Carlson whose car was found abandoned near the Golden Gate Bridge in 1970, but wasn't officially reported as missing until 2008 - mostly because was Native American.

I agree with you 100%. More popular missing persons cases that have been connected with Cooper (such as Lepsy and Wilson) went unreported for many years. The FBI probably only looked at reported cases.

Its a bit hard to look into cases nobody knows about - or havent even been filed!?   ;)